Redshirting my son for pre-k - May birthday

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Anonymous wrote:May is too old. Down the road, kids will begin to notice how much older he is and think he must have been held back. He will be almost a year and a half older than some classmates. There was a kid at our school who was redshirted with a May birthday and he stood out as too old. Ge will turn 7 while in kindergarten! I’m surprised schools allow this. There should be a cut off at some point.


This doesn't happen. I know you like to think it does, but it doesn't and kids do not care about this at all. Only nosy busybody parents.


Oh yes it happens.


No, it really doesn't. I was just at a birthday party for a kindergartener turning 7 and nobody said a thing. My 6 year old kindergartener only thought it was unfair he got to turn 7 first. Someone will always have to be first. My 5th grader is with kids already turning 12. Again, nobody says a thing and the other kids just wish it was their birthday. The insecurity is on the parent's side, not the kids.


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It doesn’t happen in real life. One of the most well-liked, nicest kids in my DCs elementary class was a Feb. kid who was a year older. That kid could not have been more well-liked if he tried. And he was the oldest by literally months.


You don't see an issue with having 5 year olds in a class with 7 year olds?


Nope. Look at Montessori programs where there are blended age groups for classes. It’s fine and in fact there are even tangible benefits (older children serving as peer mentors and younger kids learning from them).

Don’t some of you have kids with older siblings? Do they spend time together or do you shelter the younger child from their older sibling too? Seriously, what is the big deal with kids of different ages being in the same class? What a strange issue to fixate on.

Kids should learn how to be with peers of different ages and abilities. That’s part of life.


Maybe your 7 year old should learn to be in class with kids his own age? My 13 year old is with a 15 year old in 8th grade. It is ludicrous. Trust me, my son is not learning beneficial things from his older classmate.


I thought redshirted kids were so unpopular and reviled. Weird that your darling seems so drawn to this one classmate.


Are any others 15 years old around 13 years old?


My kid is an athlete and on sports team with kids older and younger than them. 13-15 year old isn’t a weird range to spend time together and hang out.


A 13 year old and a 15 year old have different academic expectations. If not, then there would be no need for putting kids in specific grades. Many sports teams do follow age. Nice try.


So, does you 8th grade middle schooler not take classes by different levels and abilities? Is everyone in their grade in all the same classes?

Still don’t understand why it’s a big deal for your 13 year old to be around an older child.

And yes, lots of sports practice together regardless of age. Take swim team, for example. My other child is a gymnast and they compete by level so are with kids of all different ages. I would never think to make an issue and fuss over it.


Yes, one does in math. Swim team competes by ages, not grades. And, yes it’s an issue that my middle schooleri is with much older kids.


NVSL has a swim bracket for 15-18. Are you going to complain when your 15 year old has to be around 18 year olds and compete against them?


What are you going to do when your can’t redshirt your kid in that situation?


My child is not red-shirted. They are older because of their birthday and just missing the cutoff.
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Anonymous wrote:May is too old. Down the road, kids will begin to notice how much older he is and think he must have been held back. He will be almost a year and a half older than some classmates. There was a kid at our school who was redshirted with a May birthday and he stood out as too old. Ge will turn 7 while in kindergarten! I’m surprised schools allow this. There should be a cut off at some point.


This doesn't happen. I know you like to think it does, but it doesn't and kids do not care about this at all. Only nosy busybody parents.


Oh yes it happens.


No, it really doesn't. I was just at a birthday party for a kindergartener turning 7 and nobody said a thing. My 6 year old kindergartener only thought it was unfair he got to turn 7 first. Someone will always have to be first. My 5th grader is with kids already turning 12. Again, nobody says a thing and the other kids just wish it was their birthday. The insecurity is on the parent's side, not the kids.


+1

It doesn’t happen in real life. One of the most well-liked, nicest kids in my DCs elementary class was a Feb. kid who was a year older. That kid could not have been more well-liked if he tried. And he was the oldest by literally months.


You don't see an issue with having 5 year olds in a class with 7 year olds?


Nope. Look at Montessori programs where there are blended age groups for classes. It’s fine and in fact there are even tangible benefits (older children serving as peer mentors and younger kids learning from them).

Don’t some of you have kids with older siblings? Do they spend time together or do you shelter the younger child from their older sibling too? Seriously, what is the big deal with kids of different ages being in the same class? What a strange issue to fixate on.

Kids should learn how to be with peers of different ages and abilities. That’s part of life.


Maybe your 7 year old should learn to be in class with kids his own age? My 13 year old is with a 15 year old in 8th grade. It is ludicrous. Trust me, my son is not learning beneficial things from his older classmate.


My 8 year old is in class with a range of kids, ages 7-9. He gets along with a variety of kids, including those his own age. Your 13 year old will be in high school next year and around seniors who are 18/19, whether you like it or not. Guess you think you can shelter your child indefinitely.

Maybe it’s a cultural thing but we grew up playing with kids of various ages in our neighborhood and immigrant community. Kids and adults also interact more in our culture. Not sure why there is this obsession with only having kids spend time with people their exact age. That is so strange to me. I also played sports with kids of different ages. Do your children not to that? Are they really so limited in this way?



DP. You have to keep in mind that PPs kids are being raised by her. Therefore of course they struggle socially. They have no role model from whom to learn basic social skills.

After years of watching redshirting debates, I’ve become convinced that the reason some posters are so unbalanced about redshirted kids is that that have no social skills and therefore can’t teach their kids basic social skills. They genuinely can’t understand kids (like mine) who have no issue whatsoever with redshirted kids, because it is not within their ability to understand that level of social interaction.

I had no real opinion about redshirting before I started reading DCUM but I know for sure that I never want to be grouped with DCUMs anti-redshirt posters. Watching that group and their absolute inability to teach their kids any social skills like resiliency or empathy has definitely made me much more pro-redshirting.
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Anonymous wrote:May is too old. Down the road, kids will begin to notice how much older he is and think he must have been held back. He will be almost a year and a half older than some classmates. There was a kid at our school who was redshirted with a May birthday and he stood out as too old. Ge will turn 7 while in kindergarten! I’m surprised schools allow this. There should be a cut off at some point.


This doesn't happen. I know you like to think it does, but it doesn't and kids do not care about this at all. Only nosy busybody parents.


Oh yes it happens.


No, it really doesn't. I was just at a birthday party for a kindergartener turning 7 and nobody said a thing. My 6 year old kindergartener only thought it was unfair he got to turn 7 first. Someone will always have to be first. My 5th grader is with kids already turning 12. Again, nobody says a thing and the other kids just wish it was their birthday. The insecurity is on the parent's side, not the kids.


+1

It doesn’t happen in real life. One of the most well-liked, nicest kids in my DCs elementary class was a Feb. kid who was a year older. That kid could not have been more well-liked if he tried. And he was the oldest by literally months.


You don't see an issue with having 5 year olds in a class with 7 year olds?


Nope. Look at Montessori programs where there are blended age groups for classes. It’s fine and in fact there are even tangible benefits (older children serving as peer mentors and younger kids learning from them).

Don’t some of you have kids with older siblings? Do they spend time together or do you shelter the younger child from their older sibling too? Seriously, what is the big deal with kids of different ages being in the same class? What a strange issue to fixate on.

Kids should learn how to be with peers of different ages and abilities. That’s part of life.


Maybe your 7 year old should learn to be in class with kids his own age? My 13 year old is with a 15 year old in 8th grade. It is ludicrous. Trust me, my son is not learning beneficial things from his older classmate.


My 8 year old is in class with a range of kids, ages 7-9. He gets along with a variety of kids, including those his own age. Your 13 year old will be in high school next year and around seniors who are 18/19, whether you like it or not. Guess you think you can shelter your child indefinitely.

Maybe it’s a cultural thing but we grew up playing with kids of various ages in our neighborhood and immigrant community. Kids and adults also interact more in our culture. Not sure why there is this obsession with only having kids spend time with people their exact age. That is so strange to me. I also played sports with kids of different ages. Do your children not to that? Are they really so limited in this way?


My 13 year old will not be in classes with 19 year olds except maybe in math. Be real.


Won’t your kid be at least 14 by the time they’re in high school or is your child perpetually 13? They very well could be in classes, including certain stuff electives, with 16 and 17 year olds. Just be prepared.


So essentially, you’re saying redshirting on top of redshirting is just. Let’s just all have 17 years old with 14 years old for everything. No problem. Move all the 14 years old 3 years ahead or move all the 17 years old 3 years back.


No, I’m saying kids will inevitably end up being around older kids, regardless of redshirting. There are classes with kids in different grades in high school, but some of you seem to think kids remain in these magic bubbles with only students their own age. That’s not reality. Classes, sports, after school clubs, etc will be a mix of ages. You seem to have some weird issue with that.
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We redshirted our April kid who was a 7-week early premie and on the smaller side. We started him at the right age at a private kindergarten to determine if he was ready for 1st grade. Teachers advised we hold him back after private Kindergarten, and so we switched to public kindergarten the next year.

Now as a freshman, he is still one of the smallest in the grade but plays multiple travel sports - whether based on age or grade. He appears to be a leader among his friends.

As our son grew and excelled in school (always 99% on standardized - and that is with age peers, not just grade peers) we supplemented the public school curriculum with math, reading, and writing tutors well in excess of the grade curriculum above him. We didn't feel public school at lower grades was challenging him and he was getting a bit bored. But at the time we made the decision, he had behavior issues.

Do what you think is best, since you may never know how it will work out.

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Anonymous wrote:There will be a lot of “red-shirted” kids as a result of the pandemic. Many delayed starting kindergarten last year so a bunch of six year olds headed off to kinder this year. Our child switched schools to one that uses a different birthday cut off (July 1st) so ended up repeating a year (we moved to private to escape public virtual). It is what it is and people should stop making a big fuss about how old kids are, especially parents of other students. It just isn’t that big a deal.


You are far too rational for DCUMs hissing anti-redshirters. But of course you are right.


What an outstanding argument.


You can’t argue with DCUM anti redshirters. They are too irrational. You just have to pat them on the head and let them whine.
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Anonymous wrote:There will be a lot of “red-shirted” kids as a result of the pandemic. Many delayed starting kindergarten last year so a bunch of six year olds headed off to kinder this year. Our child switched schools to one that uses a different birthday cut off (July 1st) so ended up repeating a year (we moved to private to escape public virtual). It is what it is and people should stop making a big fuss about how old kids are, especially parents of other students. It just isn’t that big a deal.


You are far too rational for DCUMs hissing anti-redshirters. But of course you are right.


What an outstanding argument.


You can’t argue with DCUM anti redshirters. They are too irrational. You just have to pat them on the head and let them whine.


They almost seem scared of their child being around a kid 12-18 months older. Super bizarre.
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Anonymous wrote:OP here - a lot of input that really has not made me feel better. I have heard consistently that June 1 is the cut off for redshirting. His current teacher did recommend that he repeat pre-k but I suspect it has nothing to do with his age.


Preschool teachers cannot predict the future and if things are serious enough to hold back your child should be evaluated. It’s probably a money grab.


Rather than suggesting to redshirt, they should ask the parents to get their child evaluated.

In our case, the preschool recommended us to get our child evaluated when the child was still 3. The preschool then learned about the delays, and the child received some support while at preschool. But when it came to kindergarten time, the school did not recommend that my child was redshirted. The school's policy is to never recommend a child for redshirting!!! That kind of policy is absurd. The school does not want to be seen as money-grabbing, so never suggests redshirting, that is the explanation I heard from another parent.
We did our own research, talked with the child's therapist, doctor, etc. We came to the conclusion to redshirt our July born. I think we made a good decision for our child. But redshirting the child was so hard because the preschool insisted that we don't do it.

So preschools just refusing to recommend redshirting to everyone (including summer-borns with delays) are as absurd as the preschools who recommend to redshirt normal spring-born kids.

Parents need good support, tailored to specific needs of their kids. One size fits all recommendations hurt kids and families.

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Anonymous wrote:May is too old. Down the road, kids will begin to notice how much older he is and think he must have been held back. He will be almost a year and a half older than some classmates. There was a kid at our school who was redshirted with a May birthday and he stood out as too old. Ge will turn 7 while in kindergarten! I’m surprised schools allow this. There should be a cut off at some point.


This doesn't happen. I know you like to think it does, but it doesn't and kids do not care about this at all. Only nosy busybody parents.


Oh yes it happens.


No, it really doesn't. I was just at a birthday party for a kindergartener turning 7 and nobody said a thing. My 6 year old kindergartener only thought it was unfair he got to turn 7 first. Someone will always have to be first. My 5th grader is with kids already turning 12. Again, nobody says a thing and the other kids just wish it was their birthday. The insecurity is on the parent's side, not the kids.


+1

It doesn’t happen in real life. One of the most well-liked, nicest kids in my DCs elementary class was a Feb. kid who was a year older. That kid could not have been more well-liked if he tried. And he was the oldest by literally months.


You don't see an issue with having 5 year olds in a class with 7 year olds?


Nope. Look at Montessori programs where there are blended age groups for classes. It’s fine and in fact there are even tangible benefits (older children serving as peer mentors and younger kids learning from them).

Don’t some of you have kids with older siblings? Do they spend time together or do you shelter the younger child from their older sibling too? Seriously, what is the big deal with kids of different ages being in the same class? What a strange issue to fixate on.

Kids should learn how to be with peers of different ages and abilities. That’s part of life.


Maybe your 7 year old should learn to be in class with kids his own age? My 13 year old is with a 15 year old in 8th grade. It is ludicrous. Trust me, my son is not learning beneficial things from his older classmate.


My 8 year old is in class with a range of kids, ages 7-9. He gets along with a variety of kids, including those his own age. Your 13 year old will be in high school next year and around seniors who are 18/19, whether you like it or not. Guess you think you can shelter your child indefinitely.

Maybe it’s a cultural thing but we grew up playing with kids of various ages in our neighborhood and immigrant community. Kids and adults also interact more in our culture. Not sure why there is this obsession with only having kids spend time with people their exact age. That is so strange to me. I also played sports with kids of different ages. Do your children not to that? Are they really so limited in this way?



DP. You have to keep in mind that PPs kids are being raised by her. Therefore of course they struggle socially. They have no role model from whom to learn basic social skills.

After years of watching redshirting debates, I’ve become convinced that the reason some posters are so unbalanced about redshirted kids is that that have no social skills and therefore can’t teach their kids basic social skills. They genuinely can’t understand kids (like mine) who have no issue whatsoever with redshirted kids, because it is not within their ability to understand that level of social interaction.

I had no real opinion about redshirting before I started reading DCUM but I know for sure that I never want to be grouped with DCUMs anti-redshirt posters. Watching that group and their absolute inability to teach their kids any social skills like resiliency or empathy has definitely made me much more pro-redshirting.


If parents and kids have no issues whatsoever with any age group, why do you need a different age group, why not just follow guidance?
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Anonymous wrote:There will be a lot of “red-shirted” kids as a result of the pandemic. Many delayed starting kindergarten last year so a bunch of six year olds headed off to kinder this year. Our child switched schools to one that uses a different birthday cut off (July 1st) so ended up repeating a year (we moved to private to escape public virtual). It is what it is and people should stop making a big fuss about how old kids are, especially parents of other students. It just isn’t that big a deal.


You are far too rational for DCUMs hissing anti-redshirters. But of course you are right.


What an outstanding argument.


You can’t argue with DCUM anti redshirters. They are too irrational. You just have to pat them on the head and let them whine.


They almost seem scared of their child being around a kid 12-18 months older. Super bizarre.


You seem scared to have your child around children their own age. Even more bizarre.
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Anonymous wrote:May is too old. Down the road, kids will begin to notice how much older he is and think he must have been held back. He will be almost a year and a half older than some classmates. There was a kid at our school who was redshirted with a May birthday and he stood out as too old. Ge will turn 7 while in kindergarten! I’m surprised schools allow this. There should be a cut off at some point.


This doesn't happen. I know you like to think it does, but it doesn't and kids do not care about this at all. Only nosy busybody parents.


Oh yes it happens.


No, it really doesn't. I was just at a birthday party for a kindergartener turning 7 and nobody said a thing. My 6 year old kindergartener only thought it was unfair he got to turn 7 first. Someone will always have to be first. My 5th grader is with kids already turning 12. Again, nobody says a thing and the other kids just wish it was their birthday. The insecurity is on the parent's side, not the kids.


+1

It doesn’t happen in real life. One of the most well-liked, nicest kids in my DCs elementary class was a Feb. kid who was a year older. That kid could not have been more well-liked if he tried. And he was the oldest by literally months.


You don't see an issue with having 5 year olds in a class with 7 year olds?


Nope. Look at Montessori programs where there are blended age groups for classes. It’s fine and in fact there are even tangible benefits (older children serving as peer mentors and younger kids learning from them).

Don’t some of you have kids with older siblings? Do they spend time together or do you shelter the younger child from their older sibling too? Seriously, what is the big deal with kids of different ages being in the same class? What a strange issue to fixate on.

Kids should learn how to be with peers of different ages and abilities. That’s part of life.


Maybe your 7 year old should learn to be in class with kids his own age? My 13 year old is with a 15 year old in 8th grade. It is ludicrous. Trust me, my son is not learning beneficial things from his older classmate.


I thought redshirted kids were so unpopular and reviled. Weird that your darling seems so drawn to this one classmate.


Are any others 15 years old around 13 years old?


My kid is an athlete and on sports team with kids older and younger than them. 13-15 year old isn’t a weird range to spend time together and hang out.


A 13 year old and a 15 year old have different academic expectations. If not, then there would be no need for putting kids in specific grades. Many sports teams do follow age. Nice try.


So, does you 8th grade middle schooler not take classes by different levels and abilities? Is everyone in their grade in all the same classes?

Still don’t understand why it’s a big deal for your 13 year old to be around an older child.

And yes, lots of sports practice together regardless of age. Take swim team, for example. My other child is a gymnast and they compete by level so are with kids of all different ages. I would never think to make an issue and fuss over it.


Yes, one does in math. Swim team competes by ages, not grades. And, yes it’s an issue that my middle schooleri is with much older kids.


NVSL has a swim bracket for 15-18. Are you going to complain when your 15 year old has to be around 18 year olds and compete against them?


What are you going to do when your can’t redshirt your kid in that situation?


My child is not red-shirted. They are older because of their birthday and just missing the cutoff.


DP. My kids aren’t redshirted either and do just fine in mixed age groups. I genuinely do not understand how weird the PPs are about never wanting their kids to interact with a child with a birthday more than 365 days apart from their child’s. It has to be some sad combination of rigidly, lack of resiliency, and helicoptering, but I don’t get it.
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Anonymous wrote:There will be a lot of “red-shirted” kids as a result of the pandemic. Many delayed starting kindergarten last year so a bunch of six year olds headed off to kinder this year. Our child switched schools to one that uses a different birthday cut off (July 1st) so ended up repeating a year (we moved to private to escape public virtual). It is what it is and people should stop making a big fuss about how old kids are, especially parents of other students. It just isn’t that big a deal.


You are far too rational for DCUMs hissing anti-redshirters. But of course you are right.


What an outstanding argument.


You can’t argue with DCUM anti redshirters. They are too irrational. You just have to pat them on the head and let them whine.


Yes, so irrational that they send their children to school on time. You have to pat your child on the head and whine that you have a low level child that they cannot handle the grade they are supposed to be in.
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Anonymous wrote:May is too old. Down the road, kids will begin to notice how much older he is and think he must have been held back. He will be almost a year and a half older than some classmates. There was a kid at our school who was redshirted with a May birthday and he stood out as too old. Ge will turn 7 while in kindergarten! I’m surprised schools allow this. There should be a cut off at some point.


This doesn't happen. I know you like to think it does, but it doesn't and kids do not care about this at all. Only nosy busybody parents.


Oh yes it happens.


No, it really doesn't. I was just at a birthday party for a kindergartener turning 7 and nobody said a thing. My 6 year old kindergartener only thought it was unfair he got to turn 7 first. Someone will always have to be first. My 5th grader is with kids already turning 12. Again, nobody says a thing and the other kids just wish it was their birthday. The insecurity is on the parent's side, not the kids.


It’s not “interacting.” All kids interact on the playground. Resilient kids can be in class with kids of their same birth month.

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It doesn’t happen in real life. One of the most well-liked, nicest kids in my DCs elementary class was a Feb. kid who was a year older. That kid could not have been more well-liked if he tried. And he was the oldest by literally months.


You don't see an issue with having 5 year olds in a class with 7 year olds?


Nope. Look at Montessori programs where there are blended age groups for classes. It’s fine and in fact there are even tangible benefits (older children serving as peer mentors and younger kids learning from them).

Don’t some of you have kids with older siblings? Do they spend time together or do you shelter the younger child from their older sibling too? Seriously, what is the big deal with kids of different ages being in the same class? What a strange issue to fixate on.

Kids should learn how to be with peers of different ages and abilities. That’s part of life.


Maybe your 7 year old should learn to be in class with kids his own age? My 13 year old is with a 15 year old in 8th grade. It is ludicrous. Trust me, my son is not learning beneficial things from his older classmate.


I thought redshirted kids were so unpopular and reviled. Weird that your darling seems so drawn to this one classmate.


Are any others 15 years old around 13 years old?


My kid is an athlete and on sports team with kids older and younger than them. 13-15 year old isn’t a weird range to spend time together and hang out.


A 13 year old and a 15 year old have different academic expectations. If not, then there would be no need for putting kids in specific grades. Many sports teams do follow age. Nice try.


So, does you 8th grade middle schooler not take classes by different levels and abilities? Is everyone in their grade in all the same classes?

Still don’t understand why it’s a big deal for your 13 year old to be around an older child.

And yes, lots of sports practice together regardless of age. Take swim team, for example. My other child is a gymnast and they compete by level so are with kids of all different ages. I would never think to make an issue and fuss over it.


Yes, one does in math. Swim team competes by ages, not grades. And, yes it’s an issue that my middle schooleri is with much older kids.


NVSL has a swim bracket for 15-18. Are you going to complain when your 15 year old has to be around 18 year olds and compete against them?


What are you going to do when your can’t redshirt your kid in that situation?


My child is not red-shirted. They are older because of their birthday and just missing the cutoff.


DP. My kids aren’t redshirted either and do just fine in mixed age groups. I genuinely do not understand how weird the PPs are about never wanting their kids to interact with a child with a birthday more than 365 days apart from their child’s. It has to be some sad combination of rigidly, lack of resiliency, and helicoptering, but I don’t get it.
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Anonymous wrote:May is too old. Down the road, kids will begin to notice how much older he is and think he must have been held back. He will be almost a year and a half older than some classmates. There was a kid at our school who was redshirted with a May birthday and he stood out as too old. Ge will turn 7 while in kindergarten! I’m surprised schools allow this. There should be a cut off at some point.


This doesn't happen. I know you like to think it does, but it doesn't and kids do not care about this at all. Only nosy busybody parents.


Oh yes it happens.


No, it really doesn't. I was just at a birthday party for a kindergartener turning 7 and nobody said a thing. My 6 year old kindergartener only thought it was unfair he got to turn 7 first. Someone will always have to be first. My 5th grader is with kids already turning 12. Again, nobody says a thing and the other kids just wish it was their birthday. The insecurity is on the parent's side, not the kids.


+1

It doesn’t happen in real life. One of the most well-liked, nicest kids in my DCs elementary class was a Feb. kid who was a year older. That kid could not have been more well-liked if he tried. And he was the oldest by literally months.


You don't see an issue with having 5 year olds in a class with 7 year olds?


Nope. Look at Montessori programs where there are blended age groups for classes. It’s fine and in fact there are even tangible benefits (older children serving as peer mentors and younger kids learning from them).

Don’t some of you have kids with older siblings? Do they spend time together or do you shelter the younger child from their older sibling too? Seriously, what is the big deal with kids of different ages being in the same class? What a strange issue to fixate on.

Kids should learn how to be with peers of different ages and abilities. That’s part of life.


Maybe your 7 year old should learn to be in class with kids his own age? My 13 year old is with a 15 year old in 8th grade. It is ludicrous. Trust me, my son is not learning beneficial things from his older classmate.


I thought redshirted kids were so unpopular and reviled. Weird that your darling seems so drawn to this one classmate.


Are any others 15 years old around 13 years old?


My kid is an athlete and on sports team with kids older and younger than them. 13-15 year old isn’t a weird range to spend time together and hang out.


A 13 year old and a 15 year old have different academic expectations. If not, then there would be no need for putting kids in specific grades. Many sports teams do follow age. Nice try.


So, does you 8th grade middle schooler not take classes by different levels and abilities? Is everyone in their grade in all the same classes?

Still don’t understand why it’s a big deal for your 13 year old to be around an older child.

And yes, lots of sports practice together regardless of age. Take swim team, for example. My other child is a gymnast and they compete by level so are with kids of all different ages. I would never think to make an issue and fuss over it.


Yes, one does in math. Swim team competes by ages, not grades. And, yes it’s an issue that my middle schooleri is with much older kids.


NVSL has a swim bracket for 15-18. Are you going to complain when your 15 year old has to be around 18 year olds and compete against them?


What are you going to do when your can’t redshirt your kid in that situation?


My child is not red-shirted. They are older because of their birthday and just missing the cutoff.


DP. My kids aren’t redshirted either and do just fine in mixed age groups. I genuinely do not understand how weird the PPs are about never wanting their kids to interact with a child with a birthday more than 365 days apart from their child’s. It has to be some sad combination of rigidly, lack of resiliency, and helicoptering, but I don’t get it.


The helicoptering would be from the redshirted parents. Otherwise, they would not redshirt. I cannot understand them putting their child with someone born within 365 days of their child.
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Anonymous wrote:May is too old. Down the road, kids will begin to notice how much older he is and think he must have been held back. He will be almost a year and a half older than some classmates. There was a kid at our school who was redshirted with a May birthday and he stood out as too old. Ge will turn 7 while in kindergarten! I’m surprised schools allow this. There should be a cut off at some point.


This doesn't happen. I know you like to think it does, but it doesn't and kids do not care about this at all. Only nosy busybody parents.


Oh yes it happens.


No, it really doesn't. I was just at a birthday party for a kindergartener turning 7 and nobody said a thing. My 6 year old kindergartener only thought it was unfair he got to turn 7 first. Someone will always have to be first. My 5th grader is with kids already turning 12. Again, nobody says a thing and the other kids just wish it was their birthday. The insecurity is on the parent's side, not the kids.


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It doesn’t happen in real life. One of the most well-liked, nicest kids in my DCs elementary class was a Feb. kid who was a year older. That kid could not have been more well-liked if he tried. And he was the oldest by literally months.


You don't see an issue with having 5 year olds in a class with 7 year olds?


Nope. Look at Montessori programs where there are blended age groups for classes. It’s fine and in fact there are even tangible benefits (older children serving as peer mentors and younger kids learning from them).

Don’t some of you have kids with older siblings? Do they spend time together or do you shelter the younger child from their older sibling too? Seriously, what is the big deal with kids of different ages being in the same class? What a strange issue to fixate on.

Kids should learn how to be with peers of different ages and abilities. That’s part of life.


Maybe your 7 year old should learn to be in class with kids his own age? My 13 year old is with a 15 year old in 8th grade. It is ludicrous. Trust me, my son is not learning beneficial things from his older classmate.


My 8 year old is in class with a range of kids, ages 7-9. He gets along with a variety of kids, including those his own age. Your 13 year old will be in high school next year and around seniors who are 18/19, whether you like it or not. Guess you think you can shelter your child indefinitely.

Maybe it’s a cultural thing but we grew up playing with kids of various ages in our neighborhood and immigrant community. Kids and adults also interact more in our culture. Not sure why there is this obsession with only having kids spend time with people their exact age. That is so strange to me. I also played sports with kids of different ages. Do your children not to that? Are they really so limited in this way?



DP. You have to keep in mind that PPs kids are being raised by her. Therefore of course they struggle socially. They have no role model from whom to learn basic social skills.

After years of watching redshirting debates, I’ve become convinced that the reason some posters are so unbalanced about redshirted kids is that that have no social skills and therefore can’t teach their kids basic social skills. They genuinely can’t understand kids (like mine) who have no issue whatsoever with redshirted kids, because it is not within their ability to understand that level of social interaction.

I had no real opinion about redshirting before I started reading DCUM but I know for sure that I never want to be grouped with DCUMs anti-redshirt posters. Watching that group and their absolute inability to teach their kids any social skills like resiliency or empathy has definitely made me much more pro-redshirting.


If parents and kids have no issues whatsoever with any age group, why do you need a different age group, why not just follow guidance?


I didn’t redshirt. I just don’t care if others do. I think for some kids it is helpful and I trust their parents, teachers, school administrators, and pediatricians to make that call, as I am certain they know what is better for their kids than I do. I also feel this way about parents who want to start their kids younger than usual.

My kids have no issues with being in classrooms or social settings with a mixed age group. I would worry if they lacked that capacity as it certainly doesn’t set them up well for life.
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I’m really puzzled by some people’s concern about having a wider age spread in the class. My daughter’s school has an extra grade between kindergarten and first grade. About a quarter of the kids go to this grade after kindergarten and before first grade based on teacher recommendation. The reasons are varied, but all amount to a child who needs and extra year before first grade. It’s not a remedial class in any way, as it also often has a few kids who are more advanced coming out of preK and go into this class instead of kindergarten, as it tends to be more academic. It creates a wider age spread within each grade going forward - usually about 19 months, sometimes more if there are also students the school recommended start early. They’ve been doing it for decades and the wider age spread just isn’t an issue socially or academically, even up through high school.

My child is also in a solo sport where practice and coaching is based on ability rather than age, and her practice tonight will include kids ranging from nine (her) to 16, all at the same level so all practicing together. Socially she clicks with kids in her sport who range from her age to 13 or so - after that they don’t tend to be friends who hang out, but are kind, enthusiastic, and supportive of each other.

The key here is that mixed ages often work well if you don’t go in with the assumption that they won’t. And I’ve heard people blame behavior problems both on the fact that a child is the oldest and that they’re the youngest; the reality is probably they it has little to do with relative age and much more do to do personality and parenting. The kid who is a redshirted behavior problem may well have been a problem is he were standard age or young for the grade. It’s easy to blame the highly visible - age - but often the result of other things (and yes, there’s research backing this up.)
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