Redshirting my son for pre-k - May birthday

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Anonymous wrote:While yes, there are some raging anti-red shirters here, please consider me a rational anti-red shirter. I did not redshirt my early July son. Do I think school would have been easier for him if I had, like all the time? Yes. But he was born before the cut off and one must learn to bloom where they are planted. Despite people saying only crazy anti-red shirters will make fun of him, I can tell you, there are cracks about the "8th grader driving himself to school" and the 22-year-old senior all the time, from all walks of parent and kid. The kids know who the spring hold backs are and they don't like it. July or Aug can sort of get away with it. There's a May hold back in my kid's class at one of the "big 3," and he's shooting for top schools next year and already the talk is, well, when you give yourself an extra year to rise above everybody else, etc. Really. Do not kid yourself, spring hold backs are not looked upon nicely. On top of that, it seems like you're holding your kid back just because you didn't get the private school you want? That's the worst part of all of this.

I am always so surprised when parents brag about how they teach their children to be bullies. It’s one of the most remarkable consistent self-owns on DCUM from the anti-redshirt posters.

I can assure you that my much more well-raised children do not make fun of kids because of their birthdays, and neither to the rest of the well-raised teens. I get that isn’t your children but your deficits as a parent aren’t their fault.

I didn't say it was my kid, did I? It's not. As I said, which you would know had you read more carefully, is that I hear others--kids and parents alike, saying it. It's typically at sporting events, but still. I was simply letting the OP know that she would be kidding herself if she thinks her kid won't be talked about. He will. Not one single word in my post said that I or my kids bullied others. We don't. Frankly, you are much more of a judgy name-caller here. You're insecure about your choice, I get it. But don't put down others when it's not deserved.

There you go judging again. But I do agree with you that the kid will be talked about and will carry that stigma. Nothing will be on his own merit.

Nothing a child ever does will be on their own merit simply because they may be a few months older than their peers? Really?

My kid technically just made the cut off but we didn’t think he was ready to go to kindergarten yet at age 4 so we waited another year and so far it’s proven to be the right decision. He’s only a few months older than most of his classmates.

Name one state or district that says a 4 year old can enter kindergarten. I’ve lived in 4 states and taught in the last 10 years and none did this.

Many districts in the NY metro area have December cut-offs, where kids enter Kindergarten at 4 and turn 5 during the fall. NYS law has turning 5 on or before 12/1.

God, the redshirted parents can barely send the kids at 6. Do
they going to have 6 and nearly 7 years old with the 4 years old?

At least in NYC, they place you where your age dictates you should be according to the cut offs. You don’t get the option of red shirting. The only way to avoid this is to pay for private school (different cut-offs) for K-2 (or maybe it’s through grade 3?) - after that point, the DOE will allow you to transfer same/next grade (depending on when you do it) even if you’re older than the others kids.

That answers a previous poster’s concern that could said NY cutoff could potentially put 6 and 7 years old with 4 years old kids in the state of NY. The rampant and irresponsible redshirting is stopped at least there.

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Anonymous wrote:While yes, there are some raging anti-red shirters here, please consider me a rational anti-red shirter. I did not redshirt my early July son. Do I think school would have been easier for him if I had, like all the time? Yes. But he was born before the cut off and one must learn to bloom where they are planted. Despite people saying only crazy anti-red shirters will make fun of him, I can tell you, there are cracks about the "8th grader driving himself to school" and the 22-year-old senior all the time, from all walks of parent and kid. The kids know who the spring hold backs are and they don't like it. July or Aug can sort of get away with it. There's a May hold back in my kid's class at one of the "big 3," and he's shooting for top schools next year and already the talk is, well, when you give yourself an extra year to rise above everybody else, etc. Really. Do not kid yourself, spring hold backs are not looked upon nicely. On top of that, it seems like you're holding your kid back just because you didn't get the private school you want? That's the worst part of all of this.

I am always so surprised when parents brag about how they teach their children to be bullies. It’s one of the most remarkable consistent self-owns on DCUM from the anti-redshirt posters.

I can assure you that my much more well-raised children do not make fun of kids because of their birthdays, and neither to the rest of the well-raised teens. I get that isn’t your children but your deficits as a parent aren’t their fault.

I didn't say it was my kid, did I? It's not. As I said, which you would know had you read more carefully, is that I hear others--kids and parents alike, saying it. It's typically at sporting events, but still. I was simply letting the OP know that she would be kidding herself if she thinks her kid won't be talked about. He will. Not one single word in my post said that I or my kids bullied others. We don't. Frankly, you are much more of a judgy name-caller here. You're insecure about your choice, I get it. But don't put down others when it's not deserved.

There you go judging again. But I do agree with you that the kid will be talked about and will carry that stigma. Nothing will be on his own merit.

Nothing a child ever does will be on their own merit simply because they may be a few months older than their peers? Really?

My kid technically just made the cut off but we didn’t think he was ready to go to kindergarten yet at age 4 so we waited another year and so far it’s proven to be the right decision. He’s only a few months older than most of his classmates.

Name one state or district that says a 4 year old can enter kindergarten. I’ve lived in 4 states and taught in the last 10 years and none did this.

Many districts in the NY metro area have December cut-offs, where kids enter Kindergarten at 4 and turn 5 during the fall. NYS law has turning 5 on or before 12/1.

God, the redshirted parents can barely send the kids at 6. Do
they going to have 6 and nearly 7 years old with the 4 years old?

At least in NYC, they place you where your age dictates you should be according to the cut offs. You don’t get the option of red shirting. The only way to avoid this is to pay for private school (different cut-offs) for K-2 (or maybe it’s through grade 3?) - after that point, the DOE will allow you to transfer same/next grade (depending on when you do it) even if you’re older than the others kids.

In this area the cut off is 9/1 or 9/30 so the only way to send your fall child is to pay for private school. We had to do that. If you send them to public in 1st you'd still have to test them in and many publics are not welcoming to younger kids. So, you have to wait till 2nd grade to transfer them to public.

But, the discussion is about holding back May kids. If you hold back a May child and the cut off is 12/1, you have a huge age range. And, lets be real, people in NY do hold back.

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My guess is that all the bitter parents have kids born in the Spring. I am very glad that some kids that are not ready for whatever reason wait one year. I am also glad that my October born daughter is not the oldest in the class and has 5 or so classmates (out of 18) that are older than her!

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Anonymous wrote:Why are any of you prattling on about public schools?

As has been observed in many, many prior DCUM threads, the anti-redshirt contingent does not understand the basics of private school admissions. They do not understand that one has to apply to private schools, that public schools are not the same as private schools, and that admissions committees can admit whatever students they choose. They don’t seem to understand that one does not have to go to private school, or that private schools have varied cutoff dates.

They are pretty confused all in all.

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Anonymous wrote:While yes, there are some raging anti-red shirters here, please consider me a rational anti-red shirter. I did not redshirt my early July son. Do I think school would have been easier for him if I had, like all the time? Yes. But he was born before the cut off and one must learn to bloom where they are planted. Despite people saying only crazy anti-red shirters will make fun of him, I can tell you, there are cracks about the "8th grader driving himself to school" and the 22-year-old senior all the time, from all walks of parent and kid. The kids know who the spring hold backs are and they don't like it. July or Aug can sort of get away with it. There's a May hold back in my kid's class at one of the "big 3," and he's shooting for top schools next year and already the talk is, well, when you give yourself an extra year to rise above everybody else, etc. Really. Do not kid yourself, spring hold backs are not looked upon nicely. On top of that, it seems like you're holding your kid back just because you didn't get the private school you want? That's the worst part of all of this.

I am always so surprised when parents brag about how they teach their children to be bullies. It’s one of the most remarkable consistent self-owns on DCUM from the anti-redshirt posters.

I can assure you that my much more well-raised children do not make fun of kids because of their birthdays, and neither to the rest of the well-raised teens. I get that isn’t your children but your deficits as a parent aren’t their fault.

I didn't say it was my kid, did I? It's not. As I said, which you would know had you read more carefully, is that I hear others--kids and parents alike, saying it. It's typically at sporting events, but still. I was simply letting the OP know that she would be kidding herself if she thinks her kid won't be talked about. He will. Not one single word in my post said that I or my kids bullied others. We don't. Frankly, you are much more of a judgy name-caller here. You're insecure about your choice, I get it. But don't put down others when it's not deserved.

There you go judging again. But I do agree with you that the kid will be talked about and will carry that stigma. Nothing will be on his own merit.

Nothing a child ever does will be on their own merit simply because they may be a few months older than their peers? Really?

My kid technically just made the cut off but we didn’t think he was ready to go to kindergarten yet at age 4 so we waited another year and so far it’s proven to be the right decision. He’s only a few months older than most of his classmates.

Name one state or district that says a 4 year old can enter kindergarten. I’ve lived in 4 states and taught in the last 10 years and none did this.

Many districts in the NY metro area have December cut-offs, where kids enter Kindergarten at 4 and turn 5 during the fall. NYS law has turning 5 on or before 12/1.

God, the redshirted parents can barely send the kids at 6. Do
they going to have 6 and nearly 7 years old with the 4 years old?

At least in NYC, they place you where your age dictates you should be according to the cut offs. You don’t get the option of red shirting. The only way to avoid this is to pay for private school (different cut-offs) for K-2 (or maybe it’s through grade 3?) - after that point, the DOE will allow you to transfer same/next grade (depending on when you do it) even if you’re older than the others kids.

That answers a previous poster’s concern that could said NY cutoff could potentially put 6 and 7 years old with 4 years old kids in the state of NY. The rampant and irresponsible redshirting is stopped at least there.

Redshirting has never been rampant anywhere; there is data showing exactly how frequently kids are redshirted in public schools and it is not frequent. Of course DCUM anti-redshirters never have actual data to prove their assertions.

Also, redshirting exists in NY in both private and public.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are any of you prattling on about public schools?

As has been observed in many, many prior DCUM threads, the anti-redshirt contingent does not understand the basics of private school admissions. They do not understand that one has to apply to private schools, that public schools are not the same as private schools, and that admissions committees can admit whatever students they choose. They don’t seem to understand that one does not have to go to private school, or that private schools have varied cutoff dates.

They are pretty confused all in all.

Actually we do. We've done both private and public school.

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Anonymous wrote:While yes, there are some raging anti-red shirters here, please consider me a rational anti-red shirter. I did not redshirt my early July son. Do I think school would have been easier for him if I had, like all the time? Yes. But he was born before the cut off and one must learn to bloom where they are planted. Despite people saying only crazy anti-red shirters will make fun of him, I can tell you, there are cracks about the "8th grader driving himself to school" and the 22-year-old senior all the time, from all walks of parent and kid. The kids know who the spring hold backs are and they don't like it. July or Aug can sort of get away with it. There's a May hold back in my kid's class at one of the "big 3," and he's shooting for top schools next year and already the talk is, well, when you give yourself an extra year to rise above everybody else, etc. Really. Do not kid yourself, spring hold backs are not looked upon nicely. On top of that, it seems like you're holding your kid back just because you didn't get the private school you want? That's the worst part of all of this.

I am always so surprised when parents brag about how they teach their children to be bullies. It’s one of the most remarkable consistent self-owns on DCUM from the anti-redshirt posters.

I can assure you that my much more well-raised children do not make fun of kids because of their birthdays, and neither to the rest of the well-raised teens. I get that isn’t your children but your deficits as a parent aren’t their fault.

I didn't say it was my kid, did I? It's not. As I said, which you would know had you read more carefully, is that I hear others--kids and parents alike, saying it. It's typically at sporting events, but still. I was simply letting the OP know that she would be kidding herself if she thinks her kid won't be talked about. He will. Not one single word in my post said that I or my kids bullied others. We don't. Frankly, you are much more of a judgy name-caller here. You're insecure about your choice, I get it. But don't put down others when it's not deserved.

There you go judging again. But I do agree with you that the kid will be talked about and will carry that stigma. Nothing will be on his own merit.

Nothing a child ever does will be on their own merit simply because they may be a few months older than their peers? Really?

My kid technically just made the cut off but we didn’t think he was ready to go to kindergarten yet at age 4 so we waited another year and so far it’s proven to be the right decision. He’s only a few months older than most of his classmates.

Name one state or district that says a 4 year old can enter kindergarten. I’ve lived in 4 states and taught in the last 10 years and none did this.

Many districts in the NY metro area have December cut-offs, where kids enter Kindergarten at 4 and turn 5 during the fall. NYS law has turning 5 on or before 12/1.

God, the redshirted parents can barely send the kids at 6. Do
they going to have 6 and nearly 7 years old with the 4 years old?

At least in NYC, they place you where your age dictates you should be according to the cut offs. You don’t get the option of red shirting. The only way to avoid this is to pay for private school (different cut-offs) for K-2 (or maybe it’s through grade 3?) - after that point, the DOE will allow you to transfer same/next grade (depending on when you do it) even if you’re older than the others kids.

That answers a previous poster’s concern that could said NY cutoff could potentially put 6 and 7 years old with 4 years old kids in the state of NY. The rampant and irresponsible redshirting is stopped at least there.

Redshirting has never been rampant anywhere; there is data showing exactly how frequently kids are redshirted in public schools and it is not frequent. Of course DCUM anti-redshirters never have actual data to prove their assertions.

Also, redshirting exists in NY in both private and public.

Its very rare in our public. I don't know any kids held back. One was held back in our private but most were on the younger side as the school welcomed younger kids who were close or missed the cut off. The older kids I know have fall birthdays where the kids missed the 9/1 cut off.

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Anonymous wrote:My guess is that all the bitter parents have kids born in the Spring. I am very glad that some kids that are not ready for whatever reason wait one year. I am also glad that my October born daughter is not the oldest in the class and has 5 or so classmates (out of 18) that are older than her!

You are not understanding because you have an October child. If you had a child who was born later, then you can have a say. You are selfish in that you like having redshirt kids for you daughter who is near their age but puts her younger peers who are in the correct grade are put at a disadvantage. Not at all a fair playing field and if you’re child was right was younger you’d be pissed.
Shut your mouth when you have no dog in the fight.

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Anonymous wrote:My guess is that all the bitter parents have kids born in the Spring. I am very glad that some kids that are not ready for whatever reason wait one year. I am also glad that my October born daughter is not the oldest in the class and has 5 or so classmates (out of 18) that are older than her!

You are not understanding because you have an October child. If you had a child who was born later, then you can have a say. You are selfish in that you like having redshirt kids for you daughter who is near their age but puts her younger peers who are in the correct grade are put at a disadvantage. Not at all a fair playing field and if you’re child was right was younger you’d be pissed.
Shut your mouth when you have no dog in the fight.

No need to be nasty. Someone has to be the youngest and oldest but an October child isn't relevant and they very much stand out at some schools. The discussion is about holding back a May child.

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Anonymous wrote:While yes, there are some raging anti-red shirters here, please consider me a rational anti-red shirter. I did not redshirt my early July son. Do I think school would have been easier for him if I had, like all the time? Yes. But he was born before the cut off and one must learn to bloom where they are planted. Despite people saying only crazy anti-red shirters will make fun of him, I can tell you, there are cracks about the "8th grader driving himself to school" and the 22-year-old senior all the time, from all walks of parent and kid. The kids know who the spring hold backs are and they don't like it. July or Aug can sort of get away with it. There's a May hold back in my kid's class at one of the "big 3," and he's shooting for top schools next year and already the talk is, well, when you give yourself an extra year to rise above everybody else, etc. Really. Do not kid yourself, spring hold backs are not looked upon nicely. On top of that, it seems like you're holding your kid back just because you didn't get the private school you want? That's the worst part of all of this.

I am always so surprised when parents brag about how they teach their children to be bullies. It’s one of the most remarkable consistent self-owns on DCUM from the anti-redshirt posters.

I can assure you that my much more well-raised children do not make fun of kids because of their birthdays, and neither to the rest of the well-raised teens. I get that isn’t your children but your deficits as a parent aren’t their fault.

I didn't say it was my kid, did I? It's not. As I said, which you would know had you read more carefully, is that I hear others--kids and parents alike, saying it. It's typically at sporting events, but still. I was simply letting the OP know that she would be kidding herself if she thinks her kid won't be talked about. He will. Not one single word in my post said that I or my kids bullied others. We don't. Frankly, you are much more of a judgy name-caller here. You're insecure about your choice, I get it. But don't put down others when it's not deserved.

There you go judging again. But I do agree with you that the kid will be talked about and will carry that stigma. Nothing will be on his own merit.

Nothing a child ever does will be on their own merit simply because they may be a few months older than their peers? Really?

My kid technically just made the cut off but we didn’t think he was ready to go to kindergarten yet at age 4 so we waited another year and so far it’s proven to be the right decision. He’s only a few months older than most of his classmates.

Name one state or district that says a 4 year old can enter kindergarten. I’ve lived in 4 states and taught in the last 10 years and none did this.

Many districts in the NY metro area have December cut-offs, where kids enter Kindergarten at 4 and turn 5 during the fall. NYS law has turning 5 on or before 12/1.

God, the redshirted parents can barely send the kids at 6. Do
they going to have 6 and nearly 7 years old with the 4 years old?

At least in NYC, they place you where your age dictates you should be according to the cut offs. You don’t get the option of red shirting. The only way to avoid this is to pay for private school (different cut-offs) for K-2 (or maybe it’s through grade 3?) - after that point, the DOE will allow you to transfer same/next grade (depending on when you do it) even if you’re older than the others kids.

That answers a previous poster’s concern that could said NY cutoff could potentially put 6 and 7 years old with 4 years old kids in the state of NY. The rampant and irresponsible redshirting is stopped at least there.

Redshirting has never been rampant anywhere; there is data showing exactly how frequently kids are redshirted in public schools and it is not frequent. Of course DCUM anti-redshirters never have actual data to prove their assertions.

Also, redshirting exists in NY in both private and public.

Before you go accusing and attacking people who have no data, you need to check yours. I come from New York and redshirting has not been allowed and a child must be enrolled according to their year of birth.

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Anonymous wrote:My guess is that all the bitter parents have kids born in the Spring. I am very glad that some kids that are not ready for whatever reason wait one year. I am also glad that my October born daughter is not the oldest in the class and has 5 or so classmates (out of 18) that are older than her!

You are not understanding because you have an October child. If you had a child who was born later, then you can have a say. You are selfish in that you like having redshirt kids for you daughter who is near their age but puts her younger peers who are in the correct grade are put at a disadvantage. Not at all a fair playing field and if you’re child was right was younger you’d be pissed.
Shut your mouth when you have no dog in the fight.

No need to be nasty. Someone has to be the youngest and oldest but an October child isn't relevant and they very much stand out at some schools. The discussion is about holding back a May child.

Yes someone has to be the oldest and the youngest. Within a year is acceptable. If you think a nearly 7 years old as the oldest and a 5 years old match I’m terms of academics, try again.

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Anonymous wrote:While yes, there are some raging anti-red shirters here, please consider me a rational anti-red shirter. I did not redshirt my early July son. Do I think school would have been easier for him if I had, like all the time? Yes. But he was born before the cut off and one must learn to bloom where they are planted. Despite people saying only crazy anti-red shirters will make fun of him, I can tell you, there are cracks about the "8th grader driving himself to school" and the 22-year-old senior all the time, from all walks of parent and kid. The kids know who the spring hold backs are and they don't like it. July or Aug can sort of get away with it. There's a May hold back in my kid's class at one of the "big 3," and he's shooting for top schools next year and already the talk is, well, when you give yourself an extra year to rise above everybody else, etc. Really. Do not kid yourself, spring hold backs are not looked upon nicely. On top of that, it seems like you're holding your kid back just because you didn't get the private school you want? That's the worst part of all of this.

I am always so surprised when parents brag about how they teach their children to be bullies. It’s one of the most remarkable consistent self-owns on DCUM from the anti-redshirt posters.

I can assure you that my much more well-raised children do not make fun of kids because of their birthdays, and neither to the rest of the well-raised teens. I get that isn’t your children but your deficits as a parent aren’t their fault.

I didn't say it was my kid, did I? It's not. As I said, which you would know had you read more carefully, is that I hear others--kids and parents alike, saying it. It's typically at sporting events, but still. I was simply letting the OP know that she would be kidding herself if she thinks her kid won't be talked about. He will. Not one single word in my post said that I or my kids bullied others. We don't. Frankly, you are much more of a judgy name-caller here. You're insecure about your choice, I get it. But don't put down others when it's not deserved.

There you go judging again. But I do agree with you that the kid will be talked about and will carry that stigma. Nothing will be on his own merit.

Nothing a child ever does will be on their own merit simply because they may be a few months older than their peers? Really?

My kid technically just made the cut off but we didn’t think he was ready to go to kindergarten yet at age 4 so we waited another year and so far it’s proven to be the right decision. He’s only a few months older than most of his classmates.

Name one state or district that says a 4 year old can enter kindergarten. I’ve lived in 4 states and taught in the last 10 years and none did this.

Many districts in the NY metro area have December cut-offs, where kids enter Kindergarten at 4 and turn 5 during the fall. NYS law has turning 5 on or before 12/1.

God, the redshirted parents can barely send the kids at 6. Do
they going to have 6 and nearly 7 years old with the 4 years old?

At least in NYC, they place you where your age dictates you should be according to the cut offs. You don’t get the option of red shirting. The only way to avoid this is to pay for private school (different cut-offs) for K-2 (or maybe it’s through grade 3?) - after that point, the DOE will allow you to transfer same/next grade (depending on when you do it) even if you’re older than the others kids.

That answers a previous poster’s concern that could said NY cutoff could potentially put 6 and 7 years old with 4 years old kids in the state of NY. The rampant and irresponsible redshirting is stopped at least there.

Redshirting has never been rampant anywhere; there is data showing exactly how frequently kids are redshirted in public schools and it is not frequent. Of course DCUM anti-redshirters never have actual data to prove their assertions.

Also, redshirting exists in NY in both private and public.

Before you go accusing and attacking people who have no data, you need to check yours. I come from New York and redshirting has not been allowed and a child must be enrolled according to their year of birth.

So show the copious studies that demonstrate redshirting was “rampant” in NY, and the data showing that it has been entirely stopped now in the entire state of NY, including private. That’s your position; prove it.

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Anonymous wrote:My guess is that all the bitter parents have kids born in the Spring. I am very glad that some kids that are not ready for whatever reason wait one year. I am also glad that my October born daughter is not the oldest in the class and has 5 or so classmates (out of 18) that are older than her!

You are not understanding because you have an October child. If you had a child who was born later, then you can have a say. You are selfish in that you like having redshirt kids for you daughter who is near their age but puts her younger peers who are in the correct grade are put at a disadvantage. Not at all a fair playing field and if you’re child was right was younger you’d be pissed.
Shut your mouth when you have no dog in the fight.

Parent here with spring babies and fall babies and I do not care whatsoever that other parents redshirt. My kids are at no disadvantage because other people redshirted. Do not lump me in with your craziness.

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Anonymous wrote:While yes, there are some raging anti-red shirters here, please consider me a rational anti-red shirter. I did not redshirt my early July son. Do I think school would have been easier for him if I had, like all the time? Yes. But he was born before the cut off and one must learn to bloom where they are planted. Despite people saying only crazy anti-red shirters will make fun of him, I can tell you, there are cracks about the "8th grader driving himself to school" and the 22-year-old senior all the time, from all walks of parent and kid. The kids know who the spring hold backs are and they don't like it. July or Aug can sort of get away with it. There's a May hold back in my kid's class at one of the "big 3," and he's shooting for top schools next year and already the talk is, well, when you give yourself an extra year to rise above everybody else, etc. Really. Do not kid yourself, spring hold backs are not looked upon nicely. On top of that, it seems like you're holding your kid back just because you didn't get the private school you want? That's the worst part of all of this.

I am always so surprised when parents brag about how they teach their children to be bullies. It’s one of the most remarkable consistent self-owns on DCUM from the anti-redshirt posters.

I can assure you that my much more well-raised children do not make fun of kids because of their birthdays, and neither to the rest of the well-raised teens. I get that isn’t your children but your deficits as a parent aren’t their fault.

I didn't say it was my kid, did I? It's not. As I said, which you would know had you read more carefully, is that I hear others--kids and parents alike, saying it. It's typically at sporting events, but still. I was simply letting the OP know that she would be kidding herself if she thinks her kid won't be talked about. He will. Not one single word in my post said that I or my kids bullied others. We don't. Frankly, you are much more of a judgy name-caller here. You're insecure about your choice, I get it. But don't put down others when it's not deserved.

There you go judging again. But I do agree with you that the kid will be talked about and will carry that stigma. Nothing will be on his own merit.

Nothing a child ever does will be on their own merit simply because they may be a few months older than their peers? Really?

My kid technically just made the cut off but we didn’t think he was ready to go to kindergarten yet at age 4 so we waited another year and so far it’s proven to be the right decision. He’s only a few months older than most of his classmates.

Name one state or district that says a 4 year old can enter kindergarten. I’ve lived in 4 states and taught in the last 10 years and none did this.

Many districts in the NY metro area have December cut-offs, where kids enter Kindergarten at 4 and turn 5 during the fall. NYS law has turning 5 on or before 12/1.

God, the redshirted parents can barely send the kids at 6. Do
they going to have 6 and nearly 7 years old with the 4 years old?

At least in NYC, they place you where your age dictates you should be according to the cut offs. You don’t get the option of red shirting. The only way to avoid this is to pay for private school (different cut-offs) for K-2 (or maybe it’s through grade 3?) - after that point, the DOE will allow you to transfer same/next grade (depending on when you do it) even if you’re older than the others kids.

That answers a previous poster’s concern that could said NY cutoff could potentially put 6 and 7 years old with 4 years old kids in the state of NY. The rampant and irresponsible redshirting is stopped at least there.

Redshirting has never been rampant anywhere; there is data showing exactly how frequently kids are redshirted in public schools and it is not frequent. Of course DCUM anti-redshirters never have actual data to prove their assertions.

Also, redshirting exists in NY in both private and public.

Before you go accusing and attacking people who have no data, you need to check yours. I come from New York and redshirting has not been allowed and a child must be enrolled according to their year of birth.

So show the copious studies that demonstrate redshirting was “rampant” in NY, and the data showing that it has been entirely stopped now in the entire state of NY, including private. That’s your position; prove it.

You’re embarrassed and can’t fess up your wrong claim, I see. The DOE banned it approximately a decade or so ago, not long before I started reaching there. And no one said it was banned in private there.

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Anonymous wrote:While yes, there are some raging anti-red shirters here, please consider me a rational anti-red shirter. I did not redshirt my early July son. Do I think school would have been easier for him if I had, like all the time? Yes. But he was born before the cut off and one must learn to bloom where they are planted. Despite people saying only crazy anti-red shirters will make fun of him, I can tell you, there are cracks about the "8th grader driving himself to school" and the 22-year-old senior all the time, from all walks of parent and kid. The kids know who the spring hold backs are and they don't like it. July or Aug can sort of get away with it. There's a May hold back in my kid's class at one of the "big 3," and he's shooting for top schools next year and already the talk is, well, when you give yourself an extra year to rise above everybody else, etc. Really. Do not kid yourself, spring hold backs are not looked upon nicely. On top of that, it seems like you're holding your kid back just because you didn't get the private school you want? That's the worst part of all of this.

I am always so surprised when parents brag about how they teach their children to be bullies. It’s one of the most remarkable consistent self-owns on DCUM from the anti-redshirt posters.

I can assure you that my much more well-raised children do not make fun of kids because of their birthdays, and neither to the rest of the well-raised teens. I get that isn’t your children but your deficits as a parent aren’t their fault.

I didn't say it was my kid, did I? It's not. As I said, which you would know had you read more carefully, is that I hear others--kids and parents alike, saying it. It's typically at sporting events, but still. I was simply letting the OP know that she would be kidding herself if she thinks her kid won't be talked about. He will. Not one single word in my post said that I or my kids bullied others. We don't. Frankly, you are much more of a judgy name-caller here. You're insecure about your choice, I get it. But don't put down others when it's not deserved.

There you go judging again. But I do agree with you that the kid will be talked about and will carry that stigma. Nothing will be on his own merit.

Nothing a child ever does will be on their own merit simply because they may be a few months older than their peers? Really?

My kid technically just made the cut off but we didn’t think he was ready to go to kindergarten yet at age 4 so we waited another year and so far it’s proven to be the right decision. He’s only a few months older than most of his classmates.

Name one state or district that says a 4 year old can enter kindergarten. I’ve lived in 4 states and taught in the last 10 years and none did this.

Many districts in the NY metro area have December cut-offs, where kids enter Kindergarten at 4 and turn 5 during the fall. NYS law has turning 5 on or before 12/1.

God, the redshirted parents can barely send the kids at 6. Do
they going to have 6 and nearly 7 years old with the 4 years old?

At least in NYC, they place you where your age dictates you should be according to the cut offs. You don’t get the option of red shirting. The only way to avoid this is to pay for private school (different cut-offs) for K-2 (or maybe it’s through grade 3?) - after that point, the DOE will allow you to transfer same/next grade (depending on when you do it) even if you’re older than the others kids.

That answers a previous poster’s concern that could said NY cutoff could potentially put 6 and 7 years old with 4 years old kids in the state of NY. The rampant and irresponsible redshirting is stopped at least there.

Redshirting has never been rampant anywhere; there is data showing exactly how frequently kids are redshirted in public schools and it is not frequent. Of course DCUM anti-redshirters never have actual data to prove their assertions.

Also, redshirting exists in NY in both private and public.

Before you go accusing and attacking people who have no data, you need to check yours. I come from New York and redshirting has not been allowed and a child must be enrolled according to their year of birth.

So show the copious studies that demonstrate redshirting was “rampant” in NY, and the data showing that it has been entirely stopped now in the entire state of NY, including private. That’s your position; prove it.

You’re embarrassed and can’t fess up your wrong claim, I see. The DOE banned it approximately a decade or so ago, not long before I started reaching there. And no one said it was banned in private there.

So no data. As usual for DCUM anti redshirters. All hat, no horse.