The people defending the wife here would cut their own spouses off from all outside contact themselves if they could. |
Wow! I hope you didn't break your legs jumping so high to make that leap. Where did you come to this conclusion? Also how do you not acknowledge the MIL's creepiness and enmeshment here? |
Original PP- so how would you react in both of the scenarios I described? And FWIW, I acknowledge, and have acknowledged, the OP's odd response. (But I do think it is telling that she is so frequently referred to as a "MIL" when that is not the primary relationship at issue...) |
| Has your son made an attempt in the past to get the frequency of calls slowed down? |
Fine. MIL.is completely creepy and too enmeshed. That still doesn't make the wife's behavior remotely okay, but the people defending the wife here would love to 100% control their spouse's contacts with the outside world so they defend that since they'd do it themselves if they could. There isn't a healthy, rational world in which one spouse controls the other spouse's independent ability to contact people. There isn't a world where a spouse unilaterally cutting the other spouse off from phone contact is acceptable, except to those people.who are just admiring the wife and wishing they could cut their own spouses off like that. And please, the husband didn't say a word here, so spare me the imaginary "oh for sure he wants this too" fantasies. |
PP I started this exchange and it would probably lead to a more productive conversation if we didn't make sweeping generalizations about the other posters, but instead discussed the issue. (And FWIW, in my view, it isn't the wife that acted questionably, but the son.) |
DP. People really are spinning out their own fantasies of how this conversation went down. Yes, the DIL is the one who shared it, but nothing in OP’s posts suggests there was any conversation at all beyond that so what need was there for OP’s son to say anything? If OP ad spoken up in the moment then perhaps she would have heard from her so too, but if OP just said fine and then the conversation moved on, why is there any need for the son to beat a dead horse? |
Why is he traveling with women that he is not married to? |
This! If my husband told my mom our plan, and he said it accurately, and my mom had no questions, why would I feel the need to jump in and re-explain it? Do you all not let your spouse talk to anyone without you getting involved in the conversation? And with the friend scenario, if there was no prior behavior by the husband that made me think he was controlling or abusive, and my friend sat there and listened to her husband explain they would forgo screens but did not object or give any indication she disagreed with what he was saying, why would I assume that she was in an abusive relationship? Finally, perhaps the biggest reason that people are telling the OP not to talk to her son about it is because she wants to go tell him not to go screen-free and to call her a few times during the vacation. If OP had said she wanted to ask him why they decided to go screen-free, whether that extended to not watching tv, and other questions merely out of curiosity, then that would be one thing. But she said she wanted to call him to tell him he needed to call her during his vacation, and that is definitely going behind the DIL’s back. |
What? |
Just when this thread couldn't get any more absurd . . . |
Look this is how I imagine this conversation: MIL: Are you looking forward to your vacation? DIL: Yes! I can’t wait. We even decided to go no screens to just focus on the trip. Son: And the trip is going to be awesome! I just booked scuba lessons for us. The mother has boundary issues, so she views her son NOT obsessing about her daily phone calls as a sign that he’s being controlled and possibly abused by his wife. The son was just naturally talking about the vacation. There’s nothing else to say about letting family know you’re not going to be on your phone during your vacation, so he just started talking about the things he’s looking forward to doing on the trip. The wife probably did too. It’s bizarre that the mother is so fixated on talking to her son daily that taking a break during vacation causes this much angst. |
The OP didn't say the bolded. She is concerned about going two weeks when she talks every day. Is that unusual and weird? Yes. But it is different than you wrote. And I still don't get why the son here is getting such a pass. He is participating in these calls. He could even be initiating them. So he is an equal partner in the "enmeshed" relationship. |
| Mother is too enmeshed, wife is too controlling, son is too weak-spined. |
That isn't possibly how that conversation went, but okay. |