Anonymous wrote:Who is the Asian that was discriminated against?
The only named plaintiff parent in the Coalition for TJ who was actually Asian was the mother of two TJ students at the time that the case was taken up. One of those two students had been admitted by the old process, and the other had been admitted by the new process. She was nominally listed in the case on behalf of her third child, who has since ALSO been admitted by the new process.
The other named plaintiff is very publicly a current candidate for the School Board. Go figure.
Makes you think.
That’s pathetic. Those parents and the Pacific Legal Foundation ought to be ashamed of themselves.
They are fighting racism. Jane Doe of Roe v. Wade didn’t drop her case after her baby was born.
They're fighting to institutionalize racism. If one policy is inclusive and the other is exclusive, and you're fighting for the one that is exclusive, you're the racist.
It is not exclusive.
It is manifestly exclusive. Less than 1% of incoming TJ classes for decades have come from economically disadvantaged families and there had not been enough Black students at TJ under the prior admissions process to fill a single graduating class after 33 years.
That is the definition of exclusive, if not de jure, then certainly de facto. And what the PLF is currently trying to convince the federal courts of is that the new admissions process engages in de facto discrimination against Asian students, when the evidence for such is FAR less clear than the obvious evidence of de facto segregation/discrimination under the previous process.
SO. MUCH. THIS.
If the operative term here is going to be “disparate impact”, there is approximately a thousand times more evidence to convict the prior admissions process of DI against poor kids and Black/Hispanic kids than there is with which to accuse the current admissions process of DI against Asians.
If you can’t do the math on that one, your claims of Asian supremacy are even more unfounded than I previously thought.
No one is claiming Asian supremacy. Only you people cry about "your kind" lives matter.
Don't always blame the system when you can not compete. You don't need a lot of money to get high score on exams like PSAT. Just grab a couple barron's PSAT books and study them.
More than anything, standardized exams measure test taking ability.
Test taking ability is not a translatable skill in any field beyond academic admissions processes.
So why in the world do we continue to emphasize them as some kind of measuring stick of ability when their utility can be so easily compromised through buying expensive prep materials?
Although it is not perfect, standardized exam is the most reliable and objective measurement tool that we have.
What is "test taking ability"? You need to master the subject materials well in order to get a good score.
"expensive prep materials"? Really, $15 a piece. I guess, driving a fancy car has more priority.
In short, stop playing victimhood on everything.
If $15 prep books were adequate to prepare kids for the old TJ admissions exams, you wouldn’t have had parents spending thousands of dollars on what Curie was offering.
In short, stop intentionally burying your head in the sand and engage with reality.
What is Curie? Marie Curie, the twice Nobel prize winner?
Curie is the TJ student factory that wealthyIndian families use to ensure their offspring have the best chance at admission
Fixed it for you. Curie is virtually 100% Indian, but not all of the families availing themselves of their services are wealthy.
What's the point here? Beyond Hoops basketball academy is all Black. Wolfe Ice Hockey is all White. If Indians choose to spend their bottom dollars at Curie, it's their choice.
It appears that you may have had prior experiences or concerns related to Curie and the Indian community, leading you to harbor grudge towards Asian Indians. Consider seeking advice from a mental health professional. Racism can be cured, at the least addressing the root cause of your hate can help promote understanding and overcome any biases and prejudices. Get help.
Amusing. I'd invite you and your people to do the same regarding Black folks. And I'm guessing that the examples that you gave are probably false.
The challenge that I have is not that Indians spend their money at Curie, but that it appears that no one else does. And when you combine that with the ethically (but not legally) questionable actions that Curie took with respect to the TJ admissions process, it's not too difficult to construct a narrative where its purpose is only to serve the Indian community.
Curie, AoPs, Kumon, and others are following the path similar to what Barrons, Princeton Review, Kaplan, McGraw Hill, and others have been doing by publishing review materials and practice tests for AP Exams. This study material is accessible to all, whether through standard textbooks or these more organized preparation materials. It is ethical to prepare from subject books that are widely accessible. It is called studying. The key distinguishing factor lies in the student's commitment to the effort required and the support provided by their family.
What distinguished Curie's actions from those of the other companies you're describing is that they prepared materials for the Quant-Q exam, which TJ Admissions selected in large part because it was meant to be secured. Everyone who sees that exam signs a statement affirming that they will not share anything regarding its contents to anyone, but at least one kid who took the exam broke that statement and revealed the contents of the exam they took to the folks at Curie.
That's how students who took future iterations of the exam reported that they had seen the exact versions of some longform word problems in their Curie classes before taking the exam suite for admissions to the classes of 2023 and 2024 - because, as with most exam companies, different forms of the Quant-Q will reuse questions from other forms used previously. So while the Curie kids didn't see the WHOLE exam, they had seen a few of the questions and, more importantly, had been taught strategies for how to solve problems on an exam whose entire purpose is to test your ability to solve problems or types you've never seen before.
It is common for students to engage in discussions about the difficulty of exams, their content, and even share questions they remember. If companies like Barrons, Princeton Review, or Curie utilize this feedback to enhance and refine their study materials, it only serves to make those materials more relevant for exam preparation. In fact, the College Board annually releases past free response questions for every subject, which all study preparation and tutoring companies use to improve their materials. However, despite access to these past year questions, some students excel while a significant others struggle to score the bare minimum. The key differentiators are a student's commitment and the support they receive from their family.
If a company like Barrons produces AP exam prep materials that don't contribute to a student's success, why would anyone choose their materials? The same principle applies to Curie; they likely aim for their preparation materials to surpass the rigor of the TJ curriculum or any advanced FCPS curriculum. It's not surprising that the top quarter of the TJ class is better prepared to handle TJ curriculum demands, and it wouldn't be a surprise if Curie students comprise a significant portion of that segment.
1) The students signed an agreement not to discuss the exam and its contents. It doesn’t matter how common doing so may or may not be - the moment they do it they’re in violation of the agreement that they signed and they’re creating imbalances in the admissions process. And likely doing so intentionally.
2) A lot of people want to paint a picture of the studious child alone in their room poring over exam prep materials to get themselves ready for AP exams or SAT/ACT. While this is undoubtedly true of a small number of students, it’s far, FAR more common in this area for students to be involved in expensive prep classes for these very same exams. This creates imbalances in admissions processes based not around student effort or ability but around parental resources and motivation.
(White students are the biggest beneficiaries of this, btw, and would be much more successful in TJ admissions if their parents wanted to send them to TJ.)
3) Why do we just accept that differences in parental resources and motivation should account for differences in admissions outcomes? My guess is because it makes you feel better about yourself to take credit for your kid’s wins. And perhaps more importantly, because it allows you to feel superior to others.
But isn’t it a million times more impressive for a kid to accomplish, say, 80-90 percent of what your kid did with limited parental support? If I had to bet on that other kid or your kid for who is going to contribute more to society, I’d bet on the other kid and if you have any brains at all, so would you.
Each time this fool mentions Curie, that free advertisement to a dozen more prospective parents. Either a paid social media backhanded promoter or a complete dumbass
I have no problem with more and more people going to Curie for whatever the hell they want to.
I only call out what happened with them to describe why it was so important for the admissions process to change. And it did
Changing to a process that is subjective, lacks transparency, prone to corruption will make the matter worse.
Nah. We've got three years worth of kids from the new process going to TJ now and the environment is much healthier. Fewer strivers who are taking classes way beyond their level of intellect and more kids with diverse goals and ambitions that aren't killing themselves for T20 acceptance. And the bet here is that more of them will get that T20 acceptance letter anyway.
Would expect this to positively impact TJ's rankings in the next 1-2 years.
The culture of the school, yes; the academic prowess, hopefully not. A gifted magnet is not about being #1, it's about meeting the needs of the students. Right?
The kids who got in recently seem much more interested in learning compared to those who were getting in because of prep. Overall they seem like a stronger group.
Anonymous wrote:Who is the Asian that was discriminated against?
The only named plaintiff parent in the Coalition for TJ who was actually Asian was the mother of two TJ students at the time that the case was taken up. One of those two students had been admitted by the old process, and the other had been admitted by the new process. She was nominally listed in the case on behalf of her third child, who has since ALSO been admitted by the new process.
The other named plaintiff is very publicly a current candidate for the School Board. Go figure.
Makes you think.
That’s pathetic. Those parents and the Pacific Legal Foundation ought to be ashamed of themselves.
They are fighting racism. Jane Doe of Roe v. Wade didn’t drop her case after her baby was born.
They're fighting to institutionalize racism. If one policy is inclusive and the other is exclusive, and you're fighting for the one that is exclusive, you're the racist.
It is not exclusive.
It is manifestly exclusive. Less than 1% of incoming TJ classes for decades have come from economically disadvantaged families and there had not been enough Black students at TJ under the prior admissions process to fill a single graduating class after 33 years.
That is the definition of exclusive, if not de jure, then certainly de facto. And what the PLF is currently trying to convince the federal courts of is that the new admissions process engages in de facto discrimination against Asian students, when the evidence for such is FAR less clear than the obvious evidence of de facto segregation/discrimination under the previous process.
SO. MUCH. THIS.
If the operative term here is going to be “disparate impact”, there is approximately a thousand times more evidence to convict the prior admissions process of DI against poor kids and Black/Hispanic kids than there is with which to accuse the current admissions process of DI against Asians.
If you can’t do the math on that one, your claims of Asian supremacy are even more unfounded than I previously thought.
No one is claiming Asian supremacy. Only you people cry about "your kind" lives matter.
Don't always blame the system when you can not compete. You don't need a lot of money to get high score on exams like PSAT. Just grab a couple barron's PSAT books and study them.
More than anything, standardized exams measure test taking ability.
Test taking ability is not a translatable skill in any field beyond academic admissions processes.
So why in the world do we continue to emphasize them as some kind of measuring stick of ability when their utility can be so easily compromised through buying expensive prep materials?
Although it is not perfect, standardized exam is the most reliable and objective measurement tool that we have.
What is "test taking ability"? You need to master the subject materials well in order to get a good score.
"expensive prep materials"? Really, $15 a piece. I guess, driving a fancy car has more priority.
In short, stop playing victimhood on everything.
If $15 prep books were adequate to prepare kids for the old TJ admissions exams, you wouldn’t have had parents spending thousands of dollars on what Curie was offering.
In short, stop intentionally burying your head in the sand and engage with reality.
What is Curie? Marie Curie, the twice Nobel prize winner?
Curie is the TJ student factory that wealthyIndian families use to ensure their offspring have the best chance at admission
Fixed it for you. Curie is virtually 100% Indian, but not all of the families availing themselves of their services are wealthy.
What's the point here? Beyond Hoops basketball academy is all Black. Wolfe Ice Hockey is all White. If Indians choose to spend their bottom dollars at Curie, it's their choice.
It appears that you may have had prior experiences or concerns related to Curie and the Indian community, leading you to harbor grudge towards Asian Indians. Consider seeking advice from a mental health professional. Racism can be cured, at the least addressing the root cause of your hate can help promote understanding and overcome any biases and prejudices. Get help.
Amusing. I'd invite you and your people to do the same regarding Black folks. And I'm guessing that the examples that you gave are probably false.
The challenge that I have is not that Indians spend their money at Curie, but that it appears that no one else does. And when you combine that with the ethically (but not legally) questionable actions that Curie took with respect to the TJ admissions process, it's not too difficult to construct a narrative where its purpose is only to serve the Indian community.
Curie, AoPs, Kumon, and others are following the path similar to what Barrons, Princeton Review, Kaplan, McGraw Hill, and others have been doing by publishing review materials and practice tests for AP Exams. This study material is accessible to all, whether through standard textbooks or these more organized preparation materials. It is ethical to prepare from subject books that are widely accessible. It is called studying. The key distinguishing factor lies in the student's commitment to the effort required and the support provided by their family.
What distinguished Curie's actions from those of the other companies you're describing is that they prepared materials for the Quant-Q exam, which TJ Admissions selected in large part because it was meant to be secured. Everyone who sees that exam signs a statement affirming that they will not share anything regarding its contents to anyone, but at least one kid who took the exam broke that statement and revealed the contents of the exam they took to the folks at Curie.
That's how students who took future iterations of the exam reported that they had seen the exact versions of some longform word problems in their Curie classes before taking the exam suite for admissions to the classes of 2023 and 2024 - because, as with most exam companies, different forms of the Quant-Q will reuse questions from other forms used previously. So while the Curie kids didn't see the WHOLE exam, they had seen a few of the questions and, more importantly, had been taught strategies for how to solve problems on an exam whose entire purpose is to test your ability to solve problems or types you've never seen before.
It is common for students to engage in discussions about the difficulty of exams, their content, and even share questions they remember. If companies like Barrons, Princeton Review, or Curie utilize this feedback to enhance and refine their study materials, it only serves to make those materials more relevant for exam preparation. In fact, the College Board annually releases past free response questions for every subject, which all study preparation and tutoring companies use to improve their materials. However, despite access to these past year questions, some students excel while a significant others struggle to score the bare minimum. The key differentiators are a student's commitment and the support they receive from their family.
If a company like Barrons produces AP exam prep materials that don't contribute to a student's success, why would anyone choose their materials? The same principle applies to Curie; they likely aim for their preparation materials to surpass the rigor of the TJ curriculum or any advanced FCPS curriculum. It's not surprising that the top quarter of the TJ class is better prepared to handle TJ curriculum demands, and it wouldn't be a surprise if Curie students comprise a significant portion of that segment.
1) The students signed an agreement not to discuss the exam and its contents. It doesn’t matter how common doing so may or may not be - the moment they do it they’re in violation of the agreement that they signed and they’re creating imbalances in the admissions process. And likely doing so intentionally.
2) A lot of people want to paint a picture of the studious child alone in their room poring over exam prep materials to get themselves ready for AP exams or SAT/ACT. While this is undoubtedly true of a small number of students, it’s far, FAR more common in this area for students to be involved in expensive prep classes for these very same exams. This creates imbalances in admissions processes based not around student effort or ability but around parental resources and motivation.
(White students are the biggest beneficiaries of this, btw, and would be much more successful in TJ admissions if their parents wanted to send them to TJ.)
3) Why do we just accept that differences in parental resources and motivation should account for differences in admissions outcomes? My guess is because it makes you feel better about yourself to take credit for your kid’s wins. And perhaps more importantly, because it allows you to feel superior to others.
But isn’t it a million times more impressive for a kid to accomplish, say, 80-90 percent of what your kid did with limited parental support? If I had to bet on that other kid or your kid for who is going to contribute more to society, I’d bet on the other kid and if you have any brains at all, so would you.
Each time this fool mentions Curie, that free advertisement to a dozen more prospective parents. Either a paid social media backhanded promoter or a complete dumbass
I have no problem with more and more people going to Curie for whatever the hell they want to.
I only call out what happened with them to describe why it was so important for the admissions process to change. And it did
Changing to a process that is subjective, lacks transparency, prone to corruption will make the matter worse.
Nah. We've got three years worth of kids from the new process going to TJ now and the environment is much healthier. Fewer strivers who are taking classes way beyond their level of intellect and more kids with diverse goals and ambitions that aren't killing themselves for T20 acceptance. And the bet here is that more of them will get that T20 acceptance letter anyway.
Would expect this to positively impact TJ's rankings in the next 1-2 years.
The culture of the school, yes; the academic prowess, hopefully not. A gifted magnet is not about being #1, it's about meeting the needs of the students. Right?
The kids who got in recently seem much more interested in learning compared to those who were getting in because of prep. Overall they seem like a stronger group.
You have no shame do you. You peddle a disgusting lie that kids stole the test, then changed it to Quant-Q workbooks were difficult to get to, and then Curie was selling Quant-q for $20,000. Now back to prepping. Pathetic liar!
Anonymous wrote:Who is the Asian that was discriminated against?
The only named plaintiff parent in the Coalition for TJ who was actually Asian was the mother of two TJ students at the time that the case was taken up. One of those two students had been admitted by the old process, and the other had been admitted by the new process. She was nominally listed in the case on behalf of her third child, who has since ALSO been admitted by the new process.
The other named plaintiff is very publicly a current candidate for the School Board. Go figure.
Makes you think.
That’s pathetic. Those parents and the Pacific Legal Foundation ought to be ashamed of themselves.
They are fighting racism. Jane Doe of Roe v. Wade didn’t drop her case after her baby was born.
They're fighting to institutionalize racism. If one policy is inclusive and the other is exclusive, and you're fighting for the one that is exclusive, you're the racist.
It is not exclusive.
It is manifestly exclusive. Less than 1% of incoming TJ classes for decades have come from economically disadvantaged families and there had not been enough Black students at TJ under the prior admissions process to fill a single graduating class after 33 years.
That is the definition of exclusive, if not de jure, then certainly de facto. And what the PLF is currently trying to convince the federal courts of is that the new admissions process engages in de facto discrimination against Asian students, when the evidence for such is FAR less clear than the obvious evidence of de facto segregation/discrimination under the previous process.
SO. MUCH. THIS.
If the operative term here is going to be “disparate impact”, there is approximately a thousand times more evidence to convict the prior admissions process of DI against poor kids and Black/Hispanic kids than there is with which to accuse the current admissions process of DI against Asians.
If you can’t do the math on that one, your claims of Asian supremacy are even more unfounded than I previously thought.
No one is claiming Asian supremacy. Only you people cry about "your kind" lives matter.
Don't always blame the system when you can not compete. You don't need a lot of money to get high score on exams like PSAT. Just grab a couple barron's PSAT books and study them.
More than anything, standardized exams measure test taking ability.
Test taking ability is not a translatable skill in any field beyond academic admissions processes.
So why in the world do we continue to emphasize them as some kind of measuring stick of ability when their utility can be so easily compromised through buying expensive prep materials?
Although it is not perfect, standardized exam is the most reliable and objective measurement tool that we have.
What is "test taking ability"? You need to master the subject materials well in order to get a good score.
"expensive prep materials"? Really, $15 a piece. I guess, driving a fancy car has more priority.
In short, stop playing victimhood on everything.
If $15 prep books were adequate to prepare kids for the old TJ admissions exams, you wouldn’t have had parents spending thousands of dollars on what Curie was offering.
In short, stop intentionally burying your head in the sand and engage with reality.
What is Curie? Marie Curie, the twice Nobel prize winner?
Curie is the TJ student factory that wealthyIndian families use to ensure their offspring have the best chance at admission
Fixed it for you. Curie is virtually 100% Indian, but not all of the families availing themselves of their services are wealthy.
What's the point here? Beyond Hoops basketball academy is all Black. Wolfe Ice Hockey is all White. If Indians choose to spend their bottom dollars at Curie, it's their choice.
It appears that you may have had prior experiences or concerns related to Curie and the Indian community, leading you to harbor grudge towards Asian Indians. Consider seeking advice from a mental health professional. Racism can be cured, at the least addressing the root cause of your hate can help promote understanding and overcome any biases and prejudices. Get help.
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I agree. As a parent, I feel obliged to ensure my children get a solid education which just doesn't happen in public these days with the emphasis on equity. Teachers are solely focused on the many students who are struggling and below grade level. They feel gifted students will be fine and basically ignore them. That being said I also don't feel that people should be able to buy access to these programs because after all this is a public school system that should serve everyone.
In order to stop this damaging progressive ideology, we need to act together and vote off all these crazy liberals in the upcoming election.
That seems like a nonsequitur. The regressive bible thumpers are behind even more harmful policies so that would only make things worse.
How so? The conservative Supreme Court Judges did pretty well recently.
That's the only hope. Affirmative action was designed to support all minorities, but some sneaky folks at select universities decided to play the exclusion game with Asian Americans. The three-eyed raven, in all its wisdom, warned everyone not to mess with Asian Americans and their education. Did anyone listen? Nope! The Supreme Court finally had enough, got fed up that no one paid attention to the three-eyed raven, and decided to put Affirmative Action on the chopping block. Talk about messing with a mystical messenger! FAFO!
Unless this post was an intentional attempt to lampoon conservatives and make light of their nonsense... this was nonsense.
Anonymous wrote:Who is the Asian that was discriminated against?
The only named plaintiff parent in the Coalition for TJ who was actually Asian was the mother of two TJ students at the time that the case was taken up. One of those two students had been admitted by the old process, and the other had been admitted by the new process. She was nominally listed in the case on behalf of her third child, who has since ALSO been admitted by the new process.
The other named plaintiff is very publicly a current candidate for the School Board. Go figure.
Makes you think.
That’s pathetic. Those parents and the Pacific Legal Foundation ought to be ashamed of themselves.
They are fighting racism. Jane Doe of Roe v. Wade didn’t drop her case after her baby was born.
They're fighting to institutionalize racism. If one policy is inclusive and the other is exclusive, and you're fighting for the one that is exclusive, you're the racist.
It is not exclusive.
It is manifestly exclusive. Less than 1% of incoming TJ classes for decades have come from economically disadvantaged families and there had not been enough Black students at TJ under the prior admissions process to fill a single graduating class after 33 years.
That is the definition of exclusive, if not de jure, then certainly de facto. And what the PLF is currently trying to convince the federal courts of is that the new admissions process engages in de facto discrimination against Asian students, when the evidence for such is FAR less clear than the obvious evidence of de facto segregation/discrimination under the previous process.
SO. MUCH. THIS.
If the operative term here is going to be “disparate impact”, there is approximately a thousand times more evidence to convict the prior admissions process of DI against poor kids and Black/Hispanic kids than there is with which to accuse the current admissions process of DI against Asians.
If you can’t do the math on that one, your claims of Asian supremacy are even more unfounded than I previously thought.
No one is claiming Asian supremacy. Only you people cry about "your kind" lives matter.
Don't always blame the system when you can not compete. You don't need a lot of money to get high score on exams like PSAT. Just grab a couple barron's PSAT books and study them.
More than anything, standardized exams measure test taking ability.
Test taking ability is not a translatable skill in any field beyond academic admissions processes.
So why in the world do we continue to emphasize them as some kind of measuring stick of ability when their utility can be so easily compromised through buying expensive prep materials?
Although it is not perfect, standardized exam is the most reliable and objective measurement tool that we have.
What is "test taking ability"? You need to master the subject materials well in order to get a good score.
"expensive prep materials"? Really, $15 a piece. I guess, driving a fancy car has more priority.
In short, stop playing victimhood on everything.
If $15 prep books were adequate to prepare kids for the old TJ admissions exams, you wouldn’t have had parents spending thousands of dollars on what Curie was offering.
In short, stop intentionally burying your head in the sand and engage with reality.
What is Curie? Marie Curie, the twice Nobel prize winner?
Curie is the TJ student factory that wealthyIndian families use to ensure their offspring have the best chance at admission
Fixed it for you. Curie is virtually 100% Indian, but not all of the families availing themselves of their services are wealthy.
What's the point here? Beyond Hoops basketball academy is all Black. Wolfe Ice Hockey is all White. If Indians choose to spend their bottom dollars at Curie, it's their choice.
It appears that you may have had prior experiences or concerns related to Curie and the Indian community, leading you to harbor grudge towards Asian Indians. Consider seeking advice from a mental health professional. Racism can be cured, at the least addressing the root cause of your hate can help promote understanding and overcome any biases and prejudices. Get help.
++++++10000000
I agree. As a parent, I feel obliged to ensure my children get a solid education which just doesn't happen in public these days with the emphasis on equity. Teachers are solely focused on the many students who are struggling and below grade level. They feel gifted students will be fine and basically ignore them. That being said I also don't feel that people should be able to buy access to these programs because after all this is a public school system that should serve everyone.
In order to stop this damaging progressive ideology, we need to act together and vote off all these crazy liberals in the upcoming election.
That seems like a nonsequitur. The regressive bible thumpers are behind even more harmful policies so that would only make things worse.
How so? The conservative Supreme Court Judges did pretty well recently.
That's the only hope. Affirmative action was designed to support all minorities, but some sneaky folks at select universities decided to play the exclusion game with Asian Americans. The three-eyed raven, in all its wisdom, warned everyone not to mess with Asian Americans and their education. Did anyone listen? Nope! The Supreme Court finally had enough, got fed up that no one paid attention to the three-eyed raven, and decided to put Affirmative Action on the chopping block. Talk about messing with a mystical messenger! FAFO!
Anonymous wrote:Who is the Asian that was discriminated against?
The only named plaintiff parent in the Coalition for TJ who was actually Asian was the mother of two TJ students at the time that the case was taken up. One of those two students had been admitted by the old process, and the other had been admitted by the new process. She was nominally listed in the case on behalf of her third child, who has since ALSO been admitted by the new process.
The other named plaintiff is very publicly a current candidate for the School Board. Go figure.
Makes you think.
That’s pathetic. Those parents and the Pacific Legal Foundation ought to be ashamed of themselves.
They are fighting racism. Jane Doe of Roe v. Wade didn’t drop her case after her baby was born.
They're fighting to institutionalize racism. If one policy is inclusive and the other is exclusive, and you're fighting for the one that is exclusive, you're the racist.
It is not exclusive.
It is manifestly exclusive. Less than 1% of incoming TJ classes for decades have come from economically disadvantaged families and there had not been enough Black students at TJ under the prior admissions process to fill a single graduating class after 33 years.
That is the definition of exclusive, if not de jure, then certainly de facto. And what the PLF is currently trying to convince the federal courts of is that the new admissions process engages in de facto discrimination against Asian students, when the evidence for such is FAR less clear than the obvious evidence of de facto segregation/discrimination under the previous process.
SO. MUCH. THIS.
If the operative term here is going to be “disparate impact”, there is approximately a thousand times more evidence to convict the prior admissions process of DI against poor kids and Black/Hispanic kids than there is with which to accuse the current admissions process of DI against Asians.
If you can’t do the math on that one, your claims of Asian supremacy are even more unfounded than I previously thought.
No one is claiming Asian supremacy. Only you people cry about "your kind" lives matter.
Don't always blame the system when you can not compete. You don't need a lot of money to get high score on exams like PSAT. Just grab a couple barron's PSAT books and study them.
More than anything, standardized exams measure test taking ability.
Test taking ability is not a translatable skill in any field beyond academic admissions processes.
So why in the world do we continue to emphasize them as some kind of measuring stick of ability when their utility can be so easily compromised through buying expensive prep materials?
Although it is not perfect, standardized exam is the most reliable and objective measurement tool that we have.
What is "test taking ability"? You need to master the subject materials well in order to get a good score.
"expensive prep materials"? Really, $15 a piece. I guess, driving a fancy car has more priority.
In short, stop playing victimhood on everything.
If $15 prep books were adequate to prepare kids for the old TJ admissions exams, you wouldn’t have had parents spending thousands of dollars on what Curie was offering.
In short, stop intentionally burying your head in the sand and engage with reality.
What is Curie? Marie Curie, the twice Nobel prize winner?
Curie is the TJ student factory that wealthyIndian families use to ensure their offspring have the best chance at admission
Fixed it for you. Curie is virtually 100% Indian, but not all of the families availing themselves of their services are wealthy.
What's the point here? Beyond Hoops basketball academy is all Black. Wolfe Ice Hockey is all White. If Indians choose to spend their bottom dollars at Curie, it's their choice.
It appears that you may have had prior experiences or concerns related to Curie and the Indian community, leading you to harbor grudge towards Asian Indians. Consider seeking advice from a mental health professional. Racism can be cured, at the least addressing the root cause of your hate can help promote understanding and overcome any biases and prejudices. Get help.
++++++10000000
I agree. As a parent, I feel obliged to ensure my children get a solid education which just doesn't happen in public these days with the emphasis on equity. Teachers are solely focused on the many students who are struggling and below grade level. They feel gifted students will be fine and basically ignore them. That being said I also don't feel that people should be able to buy access to these programs because after all this is a public school system that should serve everyone.
In order to stop this damaging progressive ideology, we need to act together and vote off all these crazy liberals in the upcoming election.
That seems like a nonsequitur. The regressive bible thumpers are behind even more harmful policies so that would only make things worse.
How so? The conservative Supreme Court Judges did pretty well recently.
That's the only hope. Affirmative action was designed to support all minorities, but some sneaky folks at select universities decided to play the exclusion game with Asian Americans. The three-eyed raven, in all its wisdom, warned everyone not to mess with Asian Americans and their education. Did anyone listen? Nope! The Supreme Court finally had enough, got fed up that no one paid attention to the three-eyed raven, and decided to put Affirmative Action on the chopping block. Talk about messing with a mystical messenger! FAFO!
No one would have minded if affirmative action was used in moderation and removed barriers to individual hardwork in particular, but it was being used as handouts to simply based on skin color. Even then, many tolerated this misuse. But what proved to be the tipping point was when it was employed to hinder the efforts of one minority race in favor of another, relatively bigger electorate, all for political gain. The Supreme Court had to step in with the sharpest cleaver, and affirmative action underwent quite the mincing process.
Anonymous wrote:Who is the Asian that was discriminated against?
The only named plaintiff parent in the Coalition for TJ who was actually Asian was the mother of two TJ students at the time that the case was taken up. One of those two students had been admitted by the old process, and the other had been admitted by the new process. She was nominally listed in the case on behalf of her third child, who has since ALSO been admitted by the new process.
The other named plaintiff is very publicly a current candidate for the School Board. Go figure.
Makes you think.
That’s pathetic. Those parents and the Pacific Legal Foundation ought to be ashamed of themselves.
They are fighting racism. Jane Doe of Roe v. Wade didn’t drop her case after her baby was born.
They're fighting to institutionalize racism. If one policy is inclusive and the other is exclusive, and you're fighting for the one that is exclusive, you're the racist.
It is not exclusive.
It is manifestly exclusive. Less than 1% of incoming TJ classes for decades have come from economically disadvantaged families and there had not been enough Black students at TJ under the prior admissions process to fill a single graduating class after 33 years.
That is the definition of exclusive, if not de jure, then certainly de facto. And what the PLF is currently trying to convince the federal courts of is that the new admissions process engages in de facto discrimination against Asian students, when the evidence for such is FAR less clear than the obvious evidence of de facto segregation/discrimination under the previous process.
SO. MUCH. THIS.
If the operative term here is going to be “disparate impact”, there is approximately a thousand times more evidence to convict the prior admissions process of DI against poor kids and Black/Hispanic kids than there is with which to accuse the current admissions process of DI against Asians.
If you can’t do the math on that one, your claims of Asian supremacy are even more unfounded than I previously thought.
No one is claiming Asian supremacy. Only you people cry about "your kind" lives matter.
Don't always blame the system when you can not compete. You don't need a lot of money to get high score on exams like PSAT. Just grab a couple barron's PSAT books and study them.
More than anything, standardized exams measure test taking ability.
Test taking ability is not a translatable skill in any field beyond academic admissions processes.
So why in the world do we continue to emphasize them as some kind of measuring stick of ability when their utility can be so easily compromised through buying expensive prep materials?
Although it is not perfect, standardized exam is the most reliable and objective measurement tool that we have.
What is "test taking ability"? You need to master the subject materials well in order to get a good score.
"expensive prep materials"? Really, $15 a piece. I guess, driving a fancy car has more priority.
In short, stop playing victimhood on everything.
If $15 prep books were adequate to prepare kids for the old TJ admissions exams, you wouldn’t have had parents spending thousands of dollars on what Curie was offering.
In short, stop intentionally burying your head in the sand and engage with reality.
What is Curie? Marie Curie, the twice Nobel prize winner?
Curie is the TJ student factory that wealthyIndian families use to ensure their offspring have the best chance at admission
Fixed it for you. Curie is virtually 100% Indian, but not all of the families availing themselves of their services are wealthy.
What's the point here? Beyond Hoops basketball academy is all Black. Wolfe Ice Hockey is all White. If Indians choose to spend their bottom dollars at Curie, it's their choice.
It appears that you may have had prior experiences or concerns related to Curie and the Indian community, leading you to harbor grudge towards Asian Indians. Consider seeking advice from a mental health professional. Racism can be cured, at the least addressing the root cause of your hate can help promote understanding and overcome any biases and prejudices. Get help.
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I agree. As a parent, I feel obliged to ensure my children get a solid education which just doesn't happen in public these days with the emphasis on equity. Teachers are solely focused on the many students who are struggling and below grade level. They feel gifted students will be fine and basically ignore them. That being said I also don't feel that people should be able to buy access to these programs because after all this is a public school system that should serve everyone.
In order to stop this damaging progressive ideology, we need to act together and vote off all these crazy liberals in the upcoming election.
That seems like a nonsequitur. The regressive bible thumpers are behind even more harmful policies so that would only make things worse.
How so? The conservative Supreme Court Judges did pretty well recently.
That's the only hope. Affirmative action was designed to support all minorities, but some sneaky folks at select universities decided to play the exclusion game with Asian Americans. The three-eyed raven, in all its wisdom, warned everyone not to mess with Asian Americans and their education. Did anyone listen? Nope! The Supreme Court finally had enough, got fed up that no one paid attention to the three-eyed raven, and decided to put Affirmative Action on the chopping block. Talk about messing with a mystical messenger! FAFO!
No one would have minded if affirmative action was used in moderation and removed barriers to individual hardwork in particular, but it was being used as handouts to simply based on skin color. Even then, many tolerated this misuse. But what proved to be the tipping point was when it was employed to hinder the efforts of one minority race in favor of another, relatively bigger electorate, all for political gain. The Supreme Court had to step in with the sharpest cleaver, and affirmative action underwent quite the mincing process.
Are you 12? Do you have any idea what affirmative action was or what it was about? Sure doesn't sound like it.
Anonymous wrote:Who is the Asian that was discriminated against?
The only named plaintiff parent in the Coalition for TJ who was actually Asian was the mother of two TJ students at the time that the case was taken up. One of those two students had been admitted by the old process, and the other had been admitted by the new process. She was nominally listed in the case on behalf of her third child, who has since ALSO been admitted by the new process.
The other named plaintiff is very publicly a current candidate for the School Board. Go figure.
Makes you think.
That’s pathetic. Those parents and the Pacific Legal Foundation ought to be ashamed of themselves.
They are fighting racism. Jane Doe of Roe v. Wade didn’t drop her case after her baby was born.
They're fighting to institutionalize racism. If one policy is inclusive and the other is exclusive, and you're fighting for the one that is exclusive, you're the racist.
It is not exclusive.
It is manifestly exclusive. Less than 1% of incoming TJ classes for decades have come from economically disadvantaged families and there had not been enough Black students at TJ under the prior admissions process to fill a single graduating class after 33 years.
That is the definition of exclusive, if not de jure, then certainly de facto. And what the PLF is currently trying to convince the federal courts of is that the new admissions process engages in de facto discrimination against Asian students, when the evidence for such is FAR less clear than the obvious evidence of de facto segregation/discrimination under the previous process.
SO. MUCH. THIS.
If the operative term here is going to be “disparate impact”, there is approximately a thousand times more evidence to convict the prior admissions process of DI against poor kids and Black/Hispanic kids than there is with which to accuse the current admissions process of DI against Asians.
If you can’t do the math on that one, your claims of Asian supremacy are even more unfounded than I previously thought.
No one is claiming Asian supremacy. Only you people cry about "your kind" lives matter.
Don't always blame the system when you can not compete. You don't need a lot of money to get high score on exams like PSAT. Just grab a couple barron's PSAT books and study them.
More than anything, standardized exams measure test taking ability.
Test taking ability is not a translatable skill in any field beyond academic admissions processes.
So why in the world do we continue to emphasize them as some kind of measuring stick of ability when their utility can be so easily compromised through buying expensive prep materials?
Although it is not perfect, standardized exam is the most reliable and objective measurement tool that we have.
What is "test taking ability"? You need to master the subject materials well in order to get a good score.
"expensive prep materials"? Really, $15 a piece. I guess, driving a fancy car has more priority.
In short, stop playing victimhood on everything.
If $15 prep books were adequate to prepare kids for the old TJ admissions exams, you wouldn’t have had parents spending thousands of dollars on what Curie was offering.
In short, stop intentionally burying your head in the sand and engage with reality.
What is Curie? Marie Curie, the twice Nobel prize winner?
Curie is the TJ student factory that wealthyIndian families use to ensure their offspring have the best chance at admission
Fixed it for you. Curie is virtually 100% Indian, but not all of the families availing themselves of their services are wealthy.
What's the point here? Beyond Hoops basketball academy is all Black. Wolfe Ice Hockey is all White. If Indians choose to spend their bottom dollars at Curie, it's their choice.
It appears that you may have had prior experiences or concerns related to Curie and the Indian community, leading you to harbor grudge towards Asian Indians. Consider seeking advice from a mental health professional. Racism can be cured, at the least addressing the root cause of your hate can help promote understanding and overcome any biases and prejudices. Get help.
++++++10000000
I agree. As a parent, I feel obliged to ensure my children get a solid education which just doesn't happen in public these days with the emphasis on equity. Teachers are solely focused on the many students who are struggling and below grade level. They feel gifted students will be fine and basically ignore them. That being said I also don't feel that people should be able to buy access to these programs because after all this is a public school system that should serve everyone.
In order to stop this damaging progressive ideology, we need to act together and vote off all these crazy liberals in the upcoming election.
That seems like a nonsequitur. The regressive bible thumpers are behind even more harmful policies so that would only make things worse.
How so? The conservative Supreme Court Judges did pretty well recently.
That's the only hope. Affirmative action was designed to support all minorities, but some sneaky folks at select universities decided to play the exclusion game with Asian Americans. The three-eyed raven, in all its wisdom, warned everyone not to mess with Asian Americans and their education. Did anyone listen? Nope! The Supreme Court finally had enough, got fed up that no one paid attention to the three-eyed raven, and decided to put Affirmative Action on the chopping block. Talk about messing with a mystical messenger! FAFO!
No one would have minded if affirmative action was used in moderation and removed barriers to individual hardwork in particular, but it was being used as handouts to simply based on skin color. Even then, many tolerated this misuse. But what proved to be the tipping point was when it was employed to hinder the efforts of one minority race in favor of another, relatively bigger electorate, all for political gain. The Supreme Court had to step in with the sharpest cleaver, and affirmative action underwent quite the mincing process.
Look, Affirmative Action is now called DEI - it will never go away, it will just be called something else.
The sooner you realize that, the better off you and your student DC will be.
Your competition is your peers and your demographic, period. This goes for everyone in the same high school (when applying to college). It is not going to change.
Anonymous wrote:Look, Affirmative Action is now called DEI - it will never go away, it will just be called something else.
The sooner you realize that, the better off you and your student DC will be.
Your competition is your peers and your demographic, period. This goes for everyone in the same high school (when applying to college). It is not going to change.
Haven't you heard; DEI is not the profitable racket it used to be. Many companies are laying off DEI grifters and cutting back on race hustlers.
Anonymous wrote:Who is the Asian that was discriminated against?
The only named plaintiff parent in the Coalition for TJ who was actually Asian was the mother of two TJ students at the time that the case was taken up. One of those two students had been admitted by the old process, and the other had been admitted by the new process. She was nominally listed in the case on behalf of her third child, who has since ALSO been admitted by the new process.
The other named plaintiff is very publicly a current candidate for the School Board. Go figure.
Makes you think.
That’s pathetic. Those parents and the Pacific Legal Foundation ought to be ashamed of themselves.
They are fighting racism. Jane Doe of Roe v. Wade didn’t drop her case after her baby was born.
They're fighting to institutionalize racism. If one policy is inclusive and the other is exclusive, and you're fighting for the one that is exclusive, you're the racist.
It is not exclusive.
It is manifestly exclusive. Less than 1% of incoming TJ classes for decades have come from economically disadvantaged families and there had not been enough Black students at TJ under the prior admissions process to fill a single graduating class after 33 years.
That is the definition of exclusive, if not de jure, then certainly de facto. And what the PLF is currently trying to convince the federal courts of is that the new admissions process engages in de facto discrimination against Asian students, when the evidence for such is FAR less clear than the obvious evidence of de facto segregation/discrimination under the previous process.
SO. MUCH. THIS.
If the operative term here is going to be “disparate impact”, there is approximately a thousand times more evidence to convict the prior admissions process of DI against poor kids and Black/Hispanic kids than there is with which to accuse the current admissions process of DI against Asians.
If you can’t do the math on that one, your claims of Asian supremacy are even more unfounded than I previously thought.
No one is claiming Asian supremacy. Only you people cry about "your kind" lives matter.
Don't always blame the system when you can not compete. You don't need a lot of money to get high score on exams like PSAT. Just grab a couple barron's PSAT books and study them.
More than anything, standardized exams measure test taking ability.
Test taking ability is not a translatable skill in any field beyond academic admissions processes.
So why in the world do we continue to emphasize them as some kind of measuring stick of ability when their utility can be so easily compromised through buying expensive prep materials?
Although it is not perfect, standardized exam is the most reliable and objective measurement tool that we have.
What is "test taking ability"? You need to master the subject materials well in order to get a good score.
"expensive prep materials"? Really, $15 a piece. I guess, driving a fancy car has more priority.
In short, stop playing victimhood on everything.
If $15 prep books were adequate to prepare kids for the old TJ admissions exams, you wouldn’t have had parents spending thousands of dollars on what Curie was offering.
In short, stop intentionally burying your head in the sand and engage with reality.
What is Curie? Marie Curie, the twice Nobel prize winner?
Curie is the TJ student factory that wealthyIndian families use to ensure their offspring have the best chance at admission
Fixed it for you. Curie is virtually 100% Indian, but not all of the families availing themselves of their services are wealthy.
What's the point here? Beyond Hoops basketball academy is all Black. Wolfe Ice Hockey is all White. If Indians choose to spend their bottom dollars at Curie, it's their choice.
It appears that you may have had prior experiences or concerns related to Curie and the Indian community, leading you to harbor grudge towards Asian Indians. Consider seeking advice from a mental health professional. Racism can be cured, at the least addressing the root cause of your hate can help promote understanding and overcome any biases and prejudices. Get help.
++++++10000000
I agree. As a parent, I feel obliged to ensure my children get a solid education which just doesn't happen in public these days with the emphasis on equity. Teachers are solely focused on the many students who are struggling and below grade level. They feel gifted students will be fine and basically ignore them. That being said I also don't feel that people should be able to buy access to these programs because after all this is a public school system that should serve everyone.
In order to stop this damaging progressive ideology, we need to act together and vote off all these crazy liberals in the upcoming election.
That seems like a nonsequitur. The regressive bible thumpers are behind even more harmful policies so that would only make things worse.
How so? The conservative Supreme Court Judges did pretty well recently.
That's the only hope. Affirmative action was designed to support all minorities, but some sneaky folks at select universities decided to play the exclusion game with Asian Americans. The three-eyed raven, in all its wisdom, warned everyone not to mess with Asian Americans and their education. Did anyone listen? Nope! The Supreme Court finally had enough, got fed up that no one paid attention to the three-eyed raven, and decided to put Affirmative Action on the chopping block. Talk about messing with a mystical messenger! FAFO!
No one would have minded if affirmative action was used in moderation and removed barriers to individual hardwork in particular, but it was being used as handouts to simply based on skin color. Even then, many tolerated this misuse. But what proved to be the tipping point was when it was employed to hinder the efforts of one minority race in favor of another, relatively bigger electorate, all for political gain. The Supreme Court had to step in with the sharpest cleaver, and affirmative action underwent quite the mincing process.
Here's the thing about the new admissions process that the whiners can't wrap their heads around.
There have always been at least a few poor kids at TJ.
There have always been at least a few Black kids at TJ.
There have always been at least a few Hispanic kids at TJ.
There have always been at least a few kids with IEPs at TJ.
There have always been at least a few kids from Prince William at TJ.
There have always been at least a few English Language Learners at TJ.
There have always been at least a few kids who were in Alg1 in 8th grade at TJ.
And now there are a few more of all of these. But they always used to exist in the old process that you refer to as "merit-based", as though that's somehow in opposition to the new system.
And what that means is that you have no idea which of the kids who are at TJ now wouldn't have gotten in under the old process. But you blast them all as "equity kids" as if you do know.
Anonymous wrote:Who is the Asian that was discriminated against?
The only named plaintiff parent in the Coalition for TJ who was actually Asian was the mother of two TJ students at the time that the case was taken up. One of those two students had been admitted by the old process, and the other had been admitted by the new process. She was nominally listed in the case on behalf of her third child, who has since ALSO been admitted by the new process.
The other named plaintiff is very publicly a current candidate for the School Board. Go figure.
Makes you think.
That’s pathetic. Those parents and the Pacific Legal Foundation ought to be ashamed of themselves.
They are fighting racism. Jane Doe of Roe v. Wade didn’t drop her case after her baby was born.
They're fighting to institutionalize racism. If one policy is inclusive and the other is exclusive, and you're fighting for the one that is exclusive, you're the racist.
It is not exclusive.
It is manifestly exclusive. Less than 1% of incoming TJ classes for decades have come from economically disadvantaged families and there had not been enough Black students at TJ under the prior admissions process to fill a single graduating class after 33 years.
That is the definition of exclusive, if not de jure, then certainly de facto. And what the PLF is currently trying to convince the federal courts of is that the new admissions process engages in de facto discrimination against Asian students, when the evidence for such is FAR less clear than the obvious evidence of de facto segregation/discrimination under the previous process.
SO. MUCH. THIS.
If the operative term here is going to be “disparate impact”, there is approximately a thousand times more evidence to convict the prior admissions process of DI against poor kids and Black/Hispanic kids than there is with which to accuse the current admissions process of DI against Asians.
If you can’t do the math on that one, your claims of Asian supremacy are even more unfounded than I previously thought.
No one is claiming Asian supremacy. Only you people cry about "your kind" lives matter.
Don't always blame the system when you can not compete. You don't need a lot of money to get high score on exams like PSAT. Just grab a couple barron's PSAT books and study them.
More than anything, standardized exams measure test taking ability.
Test taking ability is not a translatable skill in any field beyond academic admissions processes.
So why in the world do we continue to emphasize them as some kind of measuring stick of ability when their utility can be so easily compromised through buying expensive prep materials?
Although it is not perfect, standardized exam is the most reliable and objective measurement tool that we have.
What is "test taking ability"? You need to master the subject materials well in order to get a good score.
"expensive prep materials"? Really, $15 a piece. I guess, driving a fancy car has more priority.
In short, stop playing victimhood on everything.
If $15 prep books were adequate to prepare kids for the old TJ admissions exams, you wouldn’t have had parents spending thousands of dollars on what Curie was offering.
In short, stop intentionally burying your head in the sand and engage with reality.
What is Curie? Marie Curie, the twice Nobel prize winner?
Curie is the TJ student factory that wealthyIndian families use to ensure their offspring have the best chance at admission
Fixed it for you. Curie is virtually 100% Indian, but not all of the families availing themselves of their services are wealthy.
What's the point here? Beyond Hoops basketball academy is all Black. Wolfe Ice Hockey is all White. If Indians choose to spend their bottom dollars at Curie, it's their choice.
It appears that you may have had prior experiences or concerns related to Curie and the Indian community, leading you to harbor grudge towards Asian Indians. Consider seeking advice from a mental health professional. Racism can be cured, at the least addressing the root cause of your hate can help promote understanding and overcome any biases and prejudices. Get help.
++++++10000000
I agree. As a parent, I feel obliged to ensure my children get a solid education which just doesn't happen in public these days with the emphasis on equity. Teachers are solely focused on the many students who are struggling and below grade level. They feel gifted students will be fine and basically ignore them. That being said I also don't feel that people should be able to buy access to these programs because after all this is a public school system that should serve everyone.
In order to stop this damaging progressive ideology, we need to act together and vote off all these crazy liberals in the upcoming election.
That seems like a nonsequitur. The regressive bible thumpers are behind even more harmful policies so that would only make things worse.
How so? The conservative Supreme Court Judges did pretty well recently.
That's the only hope. Affirmative action was designed to support all minorities, but some sneaky folks at select universities decided to play the exclusion game with Asian Americans. The three-eyed raven, in all its wisdom, warned everyone not to mess with Asian Americans and their education. Did anyone listen? Nope! The Supreme Court finally had enough, got fed up that no one paid attention to the three-eyed raven, and decided to put Affirmative Action on the chopping block. Talk about messing with a mystical messenger! FAFO!
No one would have minded if affirmative action was used in moderation and removed barriers to individual hardwork in particular, but it was being used as handouts to simply based on skin color. Even then, many tolerated this misuse. But what proved to be the tipping point was when it was employed to hinder the efforts of one minority race in favor of another, relatively bigger electorate, all for political gain. The Supreme Court had to step in with the sharpest cleaver, and affirmative action underwent quite the mincing process.
Here's the thing about the new admissions process that the whiners can't wrap their heads around.
There have always been at least a few poor kids at TJ.
There have always been at least a few Black kids at TJ.
There have always been at least a few Hispanic kids at TJ.
There have always been at least a few kids with IEPs at TJ.
There have always been at least a few kids from Prince William at TJ.
There have always been at least a few English Language Learners at TJ.
There have always been at least a few kids who were in Alg1 in 8th grade at TJ.
And now there are a few more of all of these. But they always used to exist in the old process that you refer to as "merit-based", as though that's somehow in opposition to the new system.
And what that means is that you have no idea which of the kids who are at TJ now wouldn't have gotten in under the old process. But you blast them all as "equity kids" as if you do know.
You are so brainwashed that nothing plain and logical ever sinks in anymore.
Repeat this line:
Merit based asian, black, hispanic, white, and all other races are not being admitted into TJ because there is no stem evaluation test to determine their merit. Instead they are being admitted on equity basis using a ridiculous essay.
Anonymous wrote:Who is the Asian that was discriminated against?
The only named plaintiff parent in the Coalition for TJ who was actually Asian was the mother of two TJ students at the time that the case was taken up. One of those two students had been admitted by the old process, and the other had been admitted by the new process. She was nominally listed in the case on behalf of her third child, who has since ALSO been admitted by the new process.
The other named plaintiff is very publicly a current candidate for the School Board. Go figure.
Makes you think.
That’s pathetic. Those parents and the Pacific Legal Foundation ought to be ashamed of themselves.
They are fighting racism. Jane Doe of Roe v. Wade didn’t drop her case after her baby was born.
They're fighting to institutionalize racism. If one policy is inclusive and the other is exclusive, and you're fighting for the one that is exclusive, you're the racist.
It is not exclusive.
It is manifestly exclusive. Less than 1% of incoming TJ classes for decades have come from economically disadvantaged families and there had not been enough Black students at TJ under the prior admissions process to fill a single graduating class after 33 years.
That is the definition of exclusive, if not de jure, then certainly de facto. And what the PLF is currently trying to convince the federal courts of is that the new admissions process engages in de facto discrimination against Asian students, when the evidence for such is FAR less clear than the obvious evidence of de facto segregation/discrimination under the previous process.
SO. MUCH. THIS.
If the operative term here is going to be “disparate impact”, there is approximately a thousand times more evidence to convict the prior admissions process of DI against poor kids and Black/Hispanic kids than there is with which to accuse the current admissions process of DI against Asians.
If you can’t do the math on that one, your claims of Asian supremacy are even more unfounded than I previously thought.
No one is claiming Asian supremacy. Only you people cry about "your kind" lives matter.
Don't always blame the system when you can not compete. You don't need a lot of money to get high score on exams like PSAT. Just grab a couple barron's PSAT books and study them.
More than anything, standardized exams measure test taking ability.
Test taking ability is not a translatable skill in any field beyond academic admissions processes.
So why in the world do we continue to emphasize them as some kind of measuring stick of ability when their utility can be so easily compromised through buying expensive prep materials?
Although it is not perfect, standardized exam is the most reliable and objective measurement tool that we have.
What is "test taking ability"? You need to master the subject materials well in order to get a good score.
"expensive prep materials"? Really, $15 a piece. I guess, driving a fancy car has more priority.
In short, stop playing victimhood on everything.
If $15 prep books were adequate to prepare kids for the old TJ admissions exams, you wouldn’t have had parents spending thousands of dollars on what Curie was offering.
In short, stop intentionally burying your head in the sand and engage with reality.
What is Curie? Marie Curie, the twice Nobel prize winner?
Curie is the TJ student factory that wealthyIndian families use to ensure their offspring have the best chance at admission
Fixed it for you. Curie is virtually 100% Indian, but not all of the families availing themselves of their services are wealthy.
What's the point here? Beyond Hoops basketball academy is all Black. Wolfe Ice Hockey is all White. If Indians choose to spend their bottom dollars at Curie, it's their choice.
It appears that you may have had prior experiences or concerns related to Curie and the Indian community, leading you to harbor grudge towards Asian Indians. Consider seeking advice from a mental health professional. Racism can be cured, at the least addressing the root cause of your hate can help promote understanding and overcome any biases and prejudices. Get help.
++++++10000000
I agree. As a parent, I feel obliged to ensure my children get a solid education which just doesn't happen in public these days with the emphasis on equity. Teachers are solely focused on the many students who are struggling and below grade level. They feel gifted students will be fine and basically ignore them. That being said I also don't feel that people should be able to buy access to these programs because after all this is a public school system that should serve everyone.
In order to stop this damaging progressive ideology, we need to act together and vote off all these crazy liberals in the upcoming election.
That seems like a nonsequitur. The regressive bible thumpers are behind even more harmful policies so that would only make things worse.
How so? The conservative Supreme Court Judges did pretty well recently.
That's the only hope. Affirmative action was designed to support all minorities, but some sneaky folks at select universities decided to play the exclusion game with Asian Americans. The three-eyed raven, in all its wisdom, warned everyone not to mess with Asian Americans and their education. Did anyone listen? Nope! The Supreme Court finally had enough, got fed up that no one paid attention to the three-eyed raven, and decided to put Affirmative Action on the chopping block. Talk about messing with a mystical messenger! FAFO!
No one would have minded if affirmative action was used in moderation and removed barriers to individual hardwork in particular, but it was being used as handouts to simply based on skin color. Even then, many tolerated this misuse. But what proved to be the tipping point was when it was employed to hinder the efforts of one minority race in favor of another, relatively bigger electorate, all for political gain. The Supreme Court had to step in with the sharpest cleaver, and affirmative action underwent quite the mincing process.
Here's the thing about the new admissions process that the whiners can't wrap their heads around.
There have always been at least a few poor kids at TJ.
There have always been at least a few Black kids at TJ.
There have always been at least a few Hispanic kids at TJ.
There have always been at least a few kids with IEPs at TJ.
There have always been at least a few kids from Prince William at TJ.
There have always been at least a few English Language Learners at TJ.
There have always been at least a few kids who were in Alg1 in 8th grade at TJ.
And now there are a few more of all of these. But they always used to exist in the old process that you refer to as "merit-based", as though that's somehow in opposition to the new system.
And what that means is that you have no idea which of the kids who are at TJ now wouldn't have gotten in under the old process. But you blast them all as "equity kids" as if you do know.
You are so brainwashed that nothing plain and logical ever sinks in anymore.
Repeat this line:
Merit based asian, black, hispanic, white, and all other races are not being admitted into TJ because there is no stem evaluation test to determine their merit. Instead they are being admitted on equity basis using a ridiculous essay.
Repeat above line.
DP here. America has always been this way, no lawsuit will change it. Get used to it.
Anonymous wrote:Who is the Asian that was discriminated against?
The only named plaintiff parent in the Coalition for TJ who was actually Asian was the mother of two TJ students at the time that the case was taken up. One of those two students had been admitted by the old process, and the other had been admitted by the new process. She was nominally listed in the case on behalf of her third child, who has since ALSO been admitted by the new process.
The other named plaintiff is very publicly a current candidate for the School Board. Go figure.
Makes you think.
That’s pathetic. Those parents and the Pacific Legal Foundation ought to be ashamed of themselves.
They are fighting racism. Jane Doe of Roe v. Wade didn’t drop her case after her baby was born.
They're fighting to institutionalize racism. If one policy is inclusive and the other is exclusive, and you're fighting for the one that is exclusive, you're the racist.
It is not exclusive.
It is manifestly exclusive. Less than 1% of incoming TJ classes for decades have come from economically disadvantaged families and there had not been enough Black students at TJ under the prior admissions process to fill a single graduating class after 33 years.
That is the definition of exclusive, if not de jure, then certainly de facto. And what the PLF is currently trying to convince the federal courts of is that the new admissions process engages in de facto discrimination against Asian students, when the evidence for such is FAR less clear than the obvious evidence of de facto segregation/discrimination under the previous process.
SO. MUCH. THIS.
If the operative term here is going to be “disparate impact”, there is approximately a thousand times more evidence to convict the prior admissions process of DI against poor kids and Black/Hispanic kids than there is with which to accuse the current admissions process of DI against Asians.
If you can’t do the math on that one, your claims of Asian supremacy are even more unfounded than I previously thought.
No one is claiming Asian supremacy. Only you people cry about "your kind" lives matter.
Don't always blame the system when you can not compete. You don't need a lot of money to get high score on exams like PSAT. Just grab a couple barron's PSAT books and study them.
More than anything, standardized exams measure test taking ability.
Test taking ability is not a translatable skill in any field beyond academic admissions processes.
So why in the world do we continue to emphasize them as some kind of measuring stick of ability when their utility can be so easily compromised through buying expensive prep materials?
Although it is not perfect, standardized exam is the most reliable and objective measurement tool that we have.
What is "test taking ability"? You need to master the subject materials well in order to get a good score.
"expensive prep materials"? Really, $15 a piece. I guess, driving a fancy car has more priority.
In short, stop playing victimhood on everything.
If $15 prep books were adequate to prepare kids for the old TJ admissions exams, you wouldn’t have had parents spending thousands of dollars on what Curie was offering.
In short, stop intentionally burying your head in the sand and engage with reality.
What is Curie? Marie Curie, the twice Nobel prize winner?
Curie is the TJ student factory that wealthyIndian families use to ensure their offspring have the best chance at admission
Fixed it for you. Curie is virtually 100% Indian, but not all of the families availing themselves of their services are wealthy.
What's the point here? Beyond Hoops basketball academy is all Black. Wolfe Ice Hockey is all White. If Indians choose to spend their bottom dollars at Curie, it's their choice.
It appears that you may have had prior experiences or concerns related to Curie and the Indian community, leading you to harbor grudge towards Asian Indians. Consider seeking advice from a mental health professional. Racism can be cured, at the least addressing the root cause of your hate can help promote understanding and overcome any biases and prejudices. Get help.
++++++10000000
I agree. As a parent, I feel obliged to ensure my children get a solid education which just doesn't happen in public these days with the emphasis on equity. Teachers are solely focused on the many students who are struggling and below grade level. They feel gifted students will be fine and basically ignore them. That being said I also don't feel that people should be able to buy access to these programs because after all this is a public school system that should serve everyone.
In order to stop this damaging progressive ideology, we need to act together and vote off all these crazy liberals in the upcoming election.
That seems like a nonsequitur. The regressive bible thumpers are behind even more harmful policies so that would only make things worse.
How so? The conservative Supreme Court Judges did pretty well recently.
That's the only hope. Affirmative action was designed to support all minorities, but some sneaky folks at select universities decided to play the exclusion game with Asian Americans. The three-eyed raven, in all its wisdom, warned everyone not to mess with Asian Americans and their education. Did anyone listen? Nope! The Supreme Court finally had enough, got fed up that no one paid attention to the three-eyed raven, and decided to put Affirmative Action on the chopping block. Talk about messing with a mystical messenger! FAFO!
No one would have minded if affirmative action was used in moderation and removed barriers to individual hardwork in particular, but it was being used as handouts to simply based on skin color. Even then, many tolerated this misuse. But what proved to be the tipping point was when it was employed to hinder the efforts of one minority race in favor of another, relatively bigger electorate, all for political gain. The Supreme Court had to step in with the sharpest cleaver, and affirmative action underwent quite the mincing process.
Here's the thing about the new admissions process that the whiners can't wrap their heads around.
There have always been at least a few poor kids at TJ.
There have always been at least a few Black kids at TJ.
There have always been at least a few Hispanic kids at TJ.
There have always been at least a few kids with IEPs at TJ.
There have always been at least a few kids from Prince William at TJ.
There have always been at least a few English Language Learners at TJ.
There have always been at least a few kids who were in Alg1 in 8th grade at TJ.
And now there are a few more of all of these. But they always used to exist in the old process that you refer to as "merit-based", as though that's somehow in opposition to the new system.
And what that means is that you have no idea which of the kids who are at TJ now wouldn't have gotten in under the old process. But you blast them all as "equity kids" as if you do know.
No, there have never been a few kids with IEPs at TJ. And there still aren't. There are some, previously and now, with 504s.
Anonymous wrote:Who is the Asian that was discriminated against?
The only named plaintiff parent in the Coalition for TJ who was actually Asian was the mother of two TJ students at the time that the case was taken up. One of those two students had been admitted by the old process, and the other had been admitted by the new process. She was nominally listed in the case on behalf of her third child, who has since ALSO been admitted by the new process.
The other named plaintiff is very publicly a current candidate for the School Board. Go figure.
Makes you think.
That’s pathetic. Those parents and the Pacific Legal Foundation ought to be ashamed of themselves.
They are fighting racism. Jane Doe of Roe v. Wade didn’t drop her case after her baby was born.
They're fighting to institutionalize racism. If one policy is inclusive and the other is exclusive, and you're fighting for the one that is exclusive, you're the racist.
It is not exclusive.
It is manifestly exclusive. Less than 1% of incoming TJ classes for decades have come from economically disadvantaged families and there had not been enough Black students at TJ under the prior admissions process to fill a single graduating class after 33 years.
That is the definition of exclusive, if not de jure, then certainly de facto. And what the PLF is currently trying to convince the federal courts of is that the new admissions process engages in de facto discrimination against Asian students, when the evidence for such is FAR less clear than the obvious evidence of de facto segregation/discrimination under the previous process.
SO. MUCH. THIS.
If the operative term here is going to be “disparate impact”, there is approximately a thousand times more evidence to convict the prior admissions process of DI against poor kids and Black/Hispanic kids than there is with which to accuse the current admissions process of DI against Asians.
If you can’t do the math on that one, your claims of Asian supremacy are even more unfounded than I previously thought.
No one is claiming Asian supremacy. Only you people cry about "your kind" lives matter.
Don't always blame the system when you can not compete. You don't need a lot of money to get high score on exams like PSAT. Just grab a couple barron's PSAT books and study them.
More than anything, standardized exams measure test taking ability.
Test taking ability is not a translatable skill in any field beyond academic admissions processes.
So why in the world do we continue to emphasize them as some kind of measuring stick of ability when their utility can be so easily compromised through buying expensive prep materials?
Although it is not perfect, standardized exam is the most reliable and objective measurement tool that we have.
What is "test taking ability"? You need to master the subject materials well in order to get a good score.
"expensive prep materials"? Really, $15 a piece. I guess, driving a fancy car has more priority.
In short, stop playing victimhood on everything.
If $15 prep books were adequate to prepare kids for the old TJ admissions exams, you wouldn’t have had parents spending thousands of dollars on what Curie was offering.
In short, stop intentionally burying your head in the sand and engage with reality.
What is Curie? Marie Curie, the twice Nobel prize winner?
Curie is the TJ student factory that wealthyIndian families use to ensure their offspring have the best chance at admission
Fixed it for you. Curie is virtually 100% Indian, but not all of the families availing themselves of their services are wealthy.
What's the point here? Beyond Hoops basketball academy is all Black. Wolfe Ice Hockey is all White. If Indians choose to spend their bottom dollars at Curie, it's their choice.
It appears that you may have had prior experiences or concerns related to Curie and the Indian community, leading you to harbor grudge towards Asian Indians. Consider seeking advice from a mental health professional. Racism can be cured, at the least addressing the root cause of your hate can help promote understanding and overcome any biases and prejudices. Get help.
++++++10000000
I agree. As a parent, I feel obliged to ensure my children get a solid education which just doesn't happen in public these days with the emphasis on equity. Teachers are solely focused on the many students who are struggling and below grade level. They feel gifted students will be fine and basically ignore them. That being said I also don't feel that people should be able to buy access to these programs because after all this is a public school system that should serve everyone.
In order to stop this damaging progressive ideology, we need to act together and vote off all these crazy liberals in the upcoming election.
That seems like a nonsequitur. The regressive bible thumpers are behind even more harmful policies so that would only make things worse.
How so? The conservative Supreme Court Judges did pretty well recently.
That's the only hope. Affirmative action was designed to support all minorities, but some sneaky folks at select universities decided to play the exclusion game with Asian Americans. The three-eyed raven, in all its wisdom, warned everyone not to mess with Asian Americans and their education. Did anyone listen? Nope! The Supreme Court finally had enough, got fed up that no one paid attention to the three-eyed raven, and decided to put Affirmative Action on the chopping block. Talk about messing with a mystical messenger! FAFO!
No one would have minded if affirmative action was used in moderation and removed barriers to individual hardwork in particular, but it was being used as handouts to simply based on skin color. Even then, many tolerated this misuse. But what proved to be the tipping point was when it was employed to hinder the efforts of one minority race in favor of another, relatively bigger electorate, all for political gain. The Supreme Court had to step in with the sharpest cleaver, and affirmative action underwent quite the mincing process.
Here's the thing about the new admissions process that the whiners can't wrap their heads around.
There have always been at least a few poor kids at TJ.
There have always been at least a few Black kids at TJ.
There have always been at least a few Hispanic kids at TJ.
There have always been at least a few kids with IEPs at TJ.
There have always been at least a few kids from Prince William at TJ.
There have always been at least a few English Language Learners at TJ.
There have always been at least a few kids who were in Alg1 in 8th grade at TJ.
And now there are a few more of all of these. But they always used to exist in the old process that you refer to as "merit-based", as though that's somehow in opposition to the new system.
And what that means is that you have no idea which of the kids who are at TJ now wouldn't have gotten in under the old process. But you blast them all as "equity kids" as if you do know.
You are so brainwashed that nothing plain and logical ever sinks in anymore.
Repeat this line:
Merit based asian, black, hispanic, white, and all other races are not being admitted into TJ because there is no stem evaluation test to determine their merit. Instead they are being admitted on equity basis using a ridiculous essay.
Repeat above line.
DP here. America has always been this way, no lawsuit will change it. Get used to it.
Not anymore at the universities, after the Supreme Court minced something up real good. TJ is next up.
Anonymous wrote:Who is the Asian that was discriminated against?
The only named plaintiff parent in the Coalition for TJ who was actually Asian was the mother of two TJ students at the time that the case was taken up. One of those two students had been admitted by the old process, and the other had been admitted by the new process. She was nominally listed in the case on behalf of her third child, who has since ALSO been admitted by the new process.
The other named plaintiff is very publicly a current candidate for the School Board. Go figure.
Makes you think.
That’s pathetic. Those parents and the Pacific Legal Foundation ought to be ashamed of themselves.
They are fighting racism. Jane Doe of Roe v. Wade didn’t drop her case after her baby was born.
They're fighting to institutionalize racism. If one policy is inclusive and the other is exclusive, and you're fighting for the one that is exclusive, you're the racist.
It is not exclusive.
It is manifestly exclusive. Less than 1% of incoming TJ classes for decades have come from economically disadvantaged families and there had not been enough Black students at TJ under the prior admissions process to fill a single graduating class after 33 years.
That is the definition of exclusive, if not de jure, then certainly de facto. And what the PLF is currently trying to convince the federal courts of is that the new admissions process engages in de facto discrimination against Asian students, when the evidence for such is FAR less clear than the obvious evidence of de facto segregation/discrimination under the previous process.
SO. MUCH. THIS.
If the operative term here is going to be “disparate impact”, there is approximately a thousand times more evidence to convict the prior admissions process of DI against poor kids and Black/Hispanic kids than there is with which to accuse the current admissions process of DI against Asians.
If you can’t do the math on that one, your claims of Asian supremacy are even more unfounded than I previously thought.
No one is claiming Asian supremacy. Only you people cry about "your kind" lives matter.
Don't always blame the system when you can not compete. You don't need a lot of money to get high score on exams like PSAT. Just grab a couple barron's PSAT books and study them.
More than anything, standardized exams measure test taking ability.
Test taking ability is not a translatable skill in any field beyond academic admissions processes.
So why in the world do we continue to emphasize them as some kind of measuring stick of ability when their utility can be so easily compromised through buying expensive prep materials?
Although it is not perfect, standardized exam is the most reliable and objective measurement tool that we have.
What is "test taking ability"? You need to master the subject materials well in order to get a good score.
"expensive prep materials"? Really, $15 a piece. I guess, driving a fancy car has more priority.
In short, stop playing victimhood on everything.
If $15 prep books were adequate to prepare kids for the old TJ admissions exams, you wouldn’t have had parents spending thousands of dollars on what Curie was offering.
In short, stop intentionally burying your head in the sand and engage with reality.
What is Curie? Marie Curie, the twice Nobel prize winner?
Curie is the TJ student factory that wealthyIndian families use to ensure their offspring have the best chance at admission
Fixed it for you. Curie is virtually 100% Indian, but not all of the families availing themselves of their services are wealthy.
What's the point here? Beyond Hoops basketball academy is all Black. Wolfe Ice Hockey is all White. If Indians choose to spend their bottom dollars at Curie, it's their choice.
It appears that you may have had prior experiences or concerns related to Curie and the Indian community, leading you to harbor grudge towards Asian Indians. Consider seeking advice from a mental health professional. Racism can be cured, at the least addressing the root cause of your hate can help promote understanding and overcome any biases and prejudices. Get help.
++++++10000000
I agree. As a parent, I feel obliged to ensure my children get a solid education which just doesn't happen in public these days with the emphasis on equity. Teachers are solely focused on the many students who are struggling and below grade level. They feel gifted students will be fine and basically ignore them. That being said I also don't feel that people should be able to buy access to these programs because after all this is a public school system that should serve everyone.
In order to stop this damaging progressive ideology, we need to act together and vote off all these crazy liberals in the upcoming election.
That seems like a nonsequitur. The regressive bible thumpers are behind even more harmful policies so that would only make things worse.
How so? The conservative Supreme Court Judges did pretty well recently.
That's the only hope. Affirmative action was designed to support all minorities, but some sneaky folks at select universities decided to play the exclusion game with Asian Americans. The three-eyed raven, in all its wisdom, warned everyone not to mess with Asian Americans and their education. Did anyone listen? Nope! The Supreme Court finally had enough, got fed up that no one paid attention to the three-eyed raven, and decided to put Affirmative Action on the chopping block. Talk about messing with a mystical messenger! FAFO!
No one would have minded if affirmative action was used in moderation and removed barriers to individual hardwork in particular, but it was being used as handouts to simply based on skin color. Even then, many tolerated this misuse. But what proved to be the tipping point was when it was employed to hinder the efforts of one minority race in favor of another, relatively bigger electorate, all for political gain. The Supreme Court had to step in with the sharpest cleaver, and affirmative action underwent quite the mincing process.
Here's the thing about the new admissions process that the whiners can't wrap their heads around.
There have always been at least a few poor kids at TJ.
There have always been at least a few Black kids at TJ.
There have always been at least a few Hispanic kids at TJ.
There have always been at least a few kids with IEPs at TJ.
There have always been at least a few kids from Prince William at TJ.
There have always been at least a few English Language Learners at TJ.
There have always been at least a few kids who were in Alg1 in 8th grade at TJ.
And now there are a few more of all of these. But they always used to exist in the old process that you refer to as "merit-based", as though that's somehow in opposition to the new system.
And what that means is that you have no idea which of the kids who are at TJ now wouldn't have gotten in under the old process. But you blast them all as "equity kids" as if you do know.
You are so brainwashed that nothing plain and logical ever sinks in anymore.
Repeat this line:
Merit based asian, black, hispanic, white, and all other races are not being admitted into TJ because there is no stem evaluation test to determine their merit. Instead they are being admitted on equity basis using a ridiculous essay.
Repeat above line.
Nope. Merit presents itself in many ways. A single exam taken on a single day is a snapshot and in most cases demonstrates knowledge, not ability, or passion, or grit, or determination, or anything at all, really.
But we should absolutely get teacher recommendations back into the process.
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