US has no good options in Ukraine

[Anonymous]

Liberal here (woman) who hates violence but would be making Molotov cocktails myself in the schoolyards if Russia invaded. So many cowards on all sides showing their stripes in this thread.

This is the danger in not believing in the promise of America. We’re not perfect, Ukraine isn’t perfect, but we are worth defending, worth dying for. Cynicism hiding under a blanket of moral outrage allows evil to thrive. The hope of brave people in the face of hopeless problems is the best of humanity.

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Anonymous wrote:It is interesting seeing Russians practice very restrained RoE

Very unlike Georgia, Chechnya, Syria or Afghanistan.

I wonder why.

Maybe because the Russian soldiers realize this is wrong. From accounts I have read, many did not know what they were doing at the border and some believed Putin's propaganda.

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Anonymous wrote:Why wouldn’t they just surrender, it would
save lives and bloodshed. They are overpowered and outnumbered.

Because this is their homeland. They do not want to be ruled by a tyrant.
You must not understand that for many people, freedom is worth sacrificing one's life.

Well, the person you are responding to likely has tantrums around the freedom not to wear a mask during a pandemic, not understanding what ACTUAL freedom entails.

I mean, the patriots to the PP are the people who attacked the Capitol, whereas in Uktraine, the patriots in Ukraine are DEFENDING the capital.

It does sort of make one realize just how stupid and silly the US has become (Yes I’m pointing at you Trump and Koch acolytes and anyone courting totalitarianism and the unwitting fools caught up in it all)

Ukrainian grandmas armed and ready to give their lives to defend their country and families facing an actual real danger willing to defend their democracy and country. And normal Citizens in Russia willing to go to jail or worse living under a dictator but still protesting what their government, and not a swastika in sight. Really really brings home how absolutely stupid the right wing nuts in this country have become and how they are trying to drag good and decent people lives down. It also can’t help but be reminded of the images from Jan 6 from the capital that were beamed around the world. What a contrast. Wow!

Ugh with your stupid butt hurt wah I don’t want to wear a mask and you can’t make me, ban books that run counter to my personal beliefs, grievances and your stupid sons taking your families weapons stash to movie theaters and kindergarten classrooms to shoot up little kids.

Well guess what this is what it looks like when you get what you want. This doesn’t end well for Ukraine but it really really doesn’t end well for Putin. Stop your histrionics. Button up and get it together. Sniveling fools. You are collectively sick and this country would be so much better off without you.

Rant over.

I would agree that "It does sort of make one realize just how stupid and silly the US has become."
But my opinion is far different from yours.

We have a military that is seemingly more interested in "equity" and "diversity training" than in actual combat readiness. We have a generation of woke progressives far more interested in proclaiming their pronouns than in doing actual service to their country. We have schools focusing on race and promoting sexual content to children instead of teaching content children need to learn in order to be successful, productive citizens. We have social media companies deciding who to censor because of "fake news" yet these same companies won't censor the actual accounts of dictators and tyrants. And, let's not even get started on the whole notion that a man can be pregnant. If you want to discuss histrionics and "getting it together," maybe we should start with the insane issues that we have been forced to focus on. Yes, indeed, there are things far more important that pronouns or diversity training or what color a person is who is hired or which of the 72 genders one belongs to.

And, if anyone dares to object to such things, they are labeled as tranphobic or white supremacist or racist or some other "ist."

And, then we have a White House that promotes silly Tik Tok videos, focuses on identity politics in their hiring, and promotes itself for being the "first" for really, really ridiculous things. (first transgender hire, first drag queen hire, etc., etc.)

So, yes, the US looks pretty silly when you take all this into consideration. Especially when you see the courage and resolve of the Ukrainian people.

Wow, you’re a POS. You have shamed our country and our armed forces. Feel free to move on over to Russia, they also have pretty strong feelings about gender and sex issues over there. Their military is so strong, they have to conscript children and lie to them about what they are being sent to do. Their people have it together so much, they imprison anyone who steps out of line and bans entire categories of alternate thought. Their orphanages are filled with the best and brightest of children.

Some of us believe we are better and stronger for our diversity. We outnumber you. And yeah, we won’t hesitate to call you out for what you are and let you know your viewpoint is no longer welcome here. But like I said, you’d be at home in Russia so feel free to head over there, if you can find a flight or a boat that can manage to get between here and there right now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is interesting seeing Russians practice very restrained RoE

Very unlike Georgia, Chechnya, Syria or Afghanistan.

I wonder why.

Their hearts are not in it. Apparently lots of troops were tricked into going to Ukraine, being told it was training.

https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/.premium.HIGHLIGHT-why-is-he-there-russian-mothers-say-soldiers-tricked-into-going-to-ukraine-1.10633865

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It is interesting seeing Russians practice very restrained RoE

Very unlike Georgia, Chechnya, Syria or Afghanistan.

I wonder why.

Their hearts are not in it. Apparently lots of troops were tricked into going to Ukraine, being told it was training.

https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/.premium.HIGHLIGHT-why-is-he-there-russian-mothers-say-soldiers-tricked-into-going-to-ukraine-1.10633865

I think that plus when they see a Ukrainian, they don’t instinctively see “other” like if they were operating in Syria or Afghanistan or even Chechnya.

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Not gonna lie, Ukraine is awesome fighting as a unified country and peoples. Very inspirational.

I don’t think I would take up arms to support the us. I don’t have much in common with most.

I think people are looking to Zelensky and his leadership but he is fighting for his homeland and his peoples.

The us is just one big economic zone.


You would suddenly find common ground if Russia were attacking.


Nah, I’d fly out to another country well in advance.


You have a country in mind? Some do, but most can't stay indefinitely in another country.


Yeah I have a second passport for an eu country & open ended Permanent residency for a third option not in nato .

You are right. You don't have much in common with most. You should leave if economic advantage is what your life is all about. We will remember that you left.

I mean in my neighborhood — I see two houses with trump sjmifns and pick up trucks with truck nuts.

Then there is an Arab family.

Then there is a group house with a bunch of odd hipster types.

You look at the Ukraine pics and everyone seems normal and has lots in common with each other.

Would you prefer the homogeneity of the 19th century?

Obvious troll is obvious

STOP FEEDING THE TROLL

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:It is interesting seeing Russians practice very restrained RoE

Very unlike Georgia, Chechnya, Syria or Afghanistan.

I wonder why.

Their hearts are not in it. Apparently lots of troops were tricked into going to Ukraine, being told it was training.

https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/.premium.HIGHLIGHT-why-is-he-there-russian-mothers-say-soldiers-tricked-into-going-to-ukraine-1.10633865

I think that plus when they see a Ukrainian, they don’t instinctively see “other” like if they were operating in Syria or Afghanistan or even Chechnya.

The importance of this can’t be overstated. I’m not Slavic but one of the news reports featured a little kid that looked just like my own, and I damn near lost it. Not to say kids of other colors are less than, but it hits you even harder when the kids are dead ringers for your own. You can’t even pretend they are some kind of “other” and somehow deserve what you are doing to them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is interesting seeing Russians practice very restrained RoE

Very unlike Georgia, Chechnya, Syria or Afghanistan.

I wonder why.

Maybe because the Russian soldiers realize this is wrong. From accounts I have read, many did not know what they were doing at the border and some believed Putin's propaganda.

They absolutely know where they are and why they are there. It is part of their training to say deny knowledge if they are caught. As for restraint, they’ve been bombardons Kyiv almost nonstop and it’s still day 3 what restraint?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is interesting seeing Russians practice very restrained RoE

Very unlike Georgia, Chechnya, Syria or Afghanistan.

I wonder why.

Maybe because the Russian soldiers realize this is wrong. From accounts I have read, many did not know what they were doing at the border and some believed Putin's propaganda.

They absolutely know where they are and why they are there. It is part of their training to say deny knowledge if they are caught. As for restraint, they’ve been bombardons Kyiv almost nonstop and it’s still day 3 what restraint?

There are lots of videos of tanks stopping (except one video) when civilians stand in front.

Russian troops asking women to please go back inside.

There is zero chance a Russian tank in 1970s Afghanistan would hit the brakes if an Afghan stood in front od one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The caliber of Ukrainian women politicians:

https://twitter.com/lesiavasylenko?s=21

Wow. She’d easily become president in the Us.

Why don’t we have politicians like her?

Because our political discussions have become about trivialities, scoring points, and saying “no.” America has had it good for so long we’ve forgotten what matters. Heck, some sizable portion of the country would rather talk about civil war than work to prevent it. Americans have become lazy and parochial. I wish we had an event to unite us. Maybe Ukraine’s defense is it. Once and for all we’re seeing who supports Putin and his ilk. That isn’t American and people who support him are not our patriots.

[Anonymous]

Ukraine seems to have a lot less overweight people in their regular population.

More of them seem to be in “fighting shape” than we are.

I don’t think public mobilization could happen here.

[Anonymous]

BREAKING: US And EU agree to remove select Russian banks from SWIFT, impose restrictions on Russian Central Bank

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ukraine seems to have a lot less overweight people in their regular population.

More of them seem to be in “fighting shape” than we are.

I don’t think public mobilization could happen here.

You could be right, but I don't think being in "fighting shape" is the reason why.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:BREAKING: US And EU agree to remove select Russian banks from SWIFT, impose restrictions on Russian Central Bank

Why only select?!!! Just remove the whole country from swift.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The caliber of Ukrainian women politicians:

https://twitter.com/lesiavasylenko?s=21

Wow. She’d easily become president in the Us.

Why don’t we have politicians like her?

Because our political discussions have become about trivialities, scoring points, and saying “no.” America has had it good for so long we’ve forgotten what matters. Heck, some sizable portion of the country would rather talk about civil war than work to prevent it. Americans have become lazy and parochial. I wish we had an event to unite us. Maybe Ukraine’s defense is it. Once and for all we’re seeing who supports Putin and his ilk. That isn’t American and people who support him are not our patriots.

Tocqueville Paradox.