US has no good options in Ukraine

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Honestly, why do we care? It's not like the Ukraine is a major economic force. They don't have oil or a large manufacturing base. I'm not sure why it would be in the US's interest to get involved.

I could probably make a good argument for NATO and/or UN involvment, but I'm not sure why the US would want to get involved on its own. Feel free to convince me otherwise.

Ukraine does have oil and gas. It's in the Black Sea and has only been minimally developed so far but the deposits are believed to be extensive.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, why do we care? It's not like the Ukraine is a major economic force. They don't have oil or a large manufacturing base. I'm not sure why it would be in the US's interest to get involved.

I could probably make a good argument for NATO and/or UN involvment, but I'm not sure why the US would want to get involved on its own. Feel free to convince me otherwise.

Why should there be any world order at all? What happened when the world turned a blind eye to the Japanese Empire expanding in the Pacific? What happened when the world turned a blind eye to Germany invading Poland? The whole reason world order and laws exist is to prevent yet another world war that will kill 200+ million people. Unfortunately, many countries bout there cannot get out of their expansionist mindset and learn nothing from history.

Is the bolded supposed to be sarcasm?

Cough cough Iraq cough cough Afghanistan cough cough any number of US-led invasions.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, why do we care? It's not like the Ukraine is a major economic force. They don't have oil or a large manufacturing base. I'm not sure why it would be in the US's interest to get involved.

I could probably make a good argument for NATO and/or UN involvment, but I'm not sure why the US would want to get involved on its own. Feel free to convince me otherwise.

Why should there be any world order at all? What happened when the world turned a blind eye to the Japanese Empire expanding in the Pacific? What happened when the world turned a blind eye to Germany invading Poland? The whole reason world order and laws exist is to prevent yet another world war that will kill 200+ million people. Unfortunately, many countries bout there cannot get out of their expansionist mindset and learn nothing from history.

Is the bolded supposed to be sarcasm?

Cough cough Iraq cough cough Afghanistan cough cough any number of US-led invasions.

Wrong. Swing and a miss. There was never any intent of permanent annexation.

Cannot say the same about Russia, which has repeatedly and recently expressed a desire to re-annex all lands formerly part of the Soviet Union.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No one has offered any ideas for what US can do to prevent invasion. Is this something the US just can’t stop?

Good article on this topic:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-to-halt-putin-ukraine-push-american-troops-invasion-biden-sanctions-kyiv-kremlin-russia-11642449547

-"Formal defense ties uniting Sweden, Finland and the U.S. with a commitment to defending the Baltic states, or the restoration of close defense relations between the U.S. and Turkey (which has sold Ukraine drones and has much to fear from a resurgent Russia), would impress Mr. Putin more" than just sanctions

-"To defend peace abroad, President Biden needs to make some peace at home...The administration can and should develop a Russia policy with bipartisan support and put that unity prominently on display."

-"Finally, he needs to open an effective back channel to explore a way forward. Mr. Putin isn’t wrong that Washington and Moscow need a relationship that acknowledges Russia’s new power. Quiet conversations between senior people on both sides are likely to be more effective than official exchanges."

Our disgusting GOP kissed Putin's ass, fawns all over him. A whole delegation of them spent the 4th of July in Moscow not long ago. https://www.npr.org/2018/07/06/626664156/gop-senators-spend-july-4-in-moscow

Republicans need to change course. They need to get their priorities straight and support America rather than continually sabotaging the US. They need to start engaging in more bipartisan collaboration.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, why do we care? It's not like the Ukraine is a major economic force. They don't have oil or a large manufacturing base. I'm not sure why it would be in the US's interest to get involved.

I could probably make a good argument for NATO and/or UN involvment, but I'm not sure why the US would want to get involved on its own. Feel free to convince me otherwise.

Why should there be any world order at all? What happened when the world turned a blind eye to the Japanese Empire expanding in the Pacific? What happened when the world turned a blind eye to Germany invading Poland? The whole reason world order and laws exist is to prevent yet another world war that will kill 200+ million people. Unfortunately, many countries bout there cannot get out of their expansionist mindset and learn nothing from history.

Is the bolded supposed to be sarcasm?

Cough cough Iraq cough cough Afghanistan cough cough any number of US-led invasions.

Wrong. Swing and a miss. There was never any intent of permanent annexation.

Cannot say the same about Russia, which has repeatedly and recently expressed a desire to re-annex all lands formerly part of the Soviet Union.

You're saying the world order rules concern only permanent annexation?

Don't be ridiculous. Of all the countries to appeal to the "world order", the U.S. should be the last in line.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, why do we care? It's not like the Ukraine is a major economic force. They don't have oil or a large manufacturing base. I'm not sure why it would be in the US's interest to get involved.

I could probably make a good argument for NATO and/or UN involvment, but I'm not sure why the US would want to get involved on its own. Feel free to convince me otherwise.

Why should there be any world order at all? What happened when the world turned a blind eye to the Japanese Empire expanding in the Pacific? What happened when the world turned a blind eye to Germany invading Poland? The whole reason world order and laws exist is to prevent yet another world war that will kill 200+ million people. Unfortunately, many countries bout there cannot get out of their expansionist mindset and learn nothing from history.

Is the bolded supposed to be sarcasm?

Cough cough Iraq cough cough Afghanistan cough cough any number of US-led invasions.

Wrong. Swing and a miss. There was never any intent of permanent annexation.

Cannot say the same about Russia, which has repeatedly and recently expressed a desire to re-annex all lands formerly part of the Soviet Union.

You're saying the world order rules concern only permanent annexation?

Don't be ridiculous. Of all the countries to appeal to the "world order", the U.S. should be the last in line.

Oh please.. says the Ruskie who invaded/intervened Afghanistan, Mongolia, Czechoslovakia, Manchuria x2, Poland, Hungary, Finland X2, all.of the Baltics....

Russia and China have no leg to stand on either based on their imperialist/expansionist histories if you want to go down this Rabbit hole.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Russia now has about 100,000 troops sitting on Ukraine’s border, and is sending strong signals it will invade as soon as the weather reaches the right moment. Russia is filling Ukraine media with all sorts of misinformation and fake news in advance of an attack. Biden is working with many other countries to discourage Russian aggression and warn of economic sanctions these countries will impose. Biden does not have many choices here.

The Trumpublicans - led by FoxNews - are of course supporting their Russian masters in all this, and saying the US should just let Russia invade other countries without consequence. More traditional Republicans are saying the US should send military support to Ukraine. No matter what Biden does, they’re all sure to try to blame him if Russia invades.

Are there any good options?

Can someone explain to me why we should care if Russia invades Ukraine? This is a serious question. There is so much going wrong in our country right here that, for the life of me, I don’t know why we think we can afford to jump into someone else’s war.

[Anonymous]

Psaki took the rare step of tipping our intelligence hand to reveal Russia is preparing numerous:

- false flag operations in Ukraine.

Specifically, Russia is planning to fake an attack on its own people - either ethnic Russian Ukrainians or even Russia’s own troops, as a faked pretext for a Russian attack.

Do not be fooled by these deceptions. If Russia attacks, it is solely Russian aggression, orchestrated by Putin.

Here is a radical thought: how about Russia NOT launch a war against its sovereign neighbor?

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, why do we care? It's not like the Ukraine is a major economic force. They don't have oil or a large manufacturing base. I'm not sure why it would be in the US's interest to get involved.

I could probably make a good argument for NATO and/or UN involvment, but I'm not sure why the US would want to get involved on its own. Feel free to convince me otherwise.

Why should there be any world order at all? What happened when the world turned a blind eye to the Japanese Empire expanding in the Pacific? What happened when the world turned a blind eye to Germany invading Poland? The whole reason world order and laws exist is to prevent yet another world war that will kill 200+ million people. Unfortunately, many countries bout there cannot get out of their expansionist mindset and learn nothing from history.

Is the bolded supposed to be sarcasm?

Cough cough Iraq cough cough Afghanistan cough cough any number of US-led invasions.

Wrong. Swing and a miss. There was never any intent of permanent annexation.

Cannot say the same about Russia, which has repeatedly and recently expressed a desire to re-annex all lands formerly part of the Soviet Union.

You're saying the world order rules concern only permanent annexation?

Don't be ridiculous. Of all the countries to appeal to the "world order", the U.S. should be the last in line.

Oh please.. says the Ruskie who invaded/intervened Afghanistan, Mongolia, Czechoslovakia, Manchuria x2, Poland, Hungary, Finland X2, all.of the Baltics....

Russia and China have no leg to stand on either based on their imperialist/expansionist histories if you want to go down this Rabbit hole.

The U.S. accusing Russia and China of their imperialist histories is like whores in the two-bit bordello fighting about who's the prettiest.

[Anonymous]

I think after having done so poorly over that last two decades the US military is itching for a fight as are their corporate bosses at Boeing and Lockheed Martin. Maybe they can invade Grenada again.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If Russia wants to decimate their economy, let them. Ukraine is vastly better armed and battle hardened compared to 2014. It will be a quagmire for Putin, and the sanctions alone will obliterate their economy. They won't be able to finance it for very long. Occupation is a lot harder than invasions. There will be years and years of insurgencies that will be difficult to eliminate. This may end up encouraging a country like Finland to join NATO.

This.

And if the Russians are forced out of SWIFT, it will kill their economy and isolate the oligarchs money. that won't stand.

There is a theory that the Ukraine build-up is a deflection of the Russian annexation of Belarus. That may make more sense.

Omg you house wifes are so funny.

You realize if Russia is cut from swift, it just accelerates massive energy trade settlement in foreign currencies and gold and the rise of alternative methods.

China would like nothing more than Russia getting cut from swift

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Honestly, why do we care? It's not like the Ukraine is a major economic force. They don't have oil or a large manufacturing base. I'm not sure why it would be in the US's interest to get involved.

I could probably make a good argument for NATO and/or UN involvment, but I'm not sure why the US would want to get involved on its own. Feel free to convince me otherwise.

That’s what people of limited vision said when Hitler invaded Poland.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, why do we care? It's not like the Ukraine is a major economic force. They don't have oil or a large manufacturing base. I'm not sure why it would be in the US's interest to get involved.

I could probably make a good argument for NATO and/or UN involvment, but I'm not sure why the US would want to get involved on its own. Feel free to convince me otherwise.

That’s what people of limited vision said when Hitler invaded Poland.

NP. I think I get your analogy but the British Empire and France both declared war on Germany in response to its invasion of Poland. Get your history right. Maybe your referring to Anschluss? Or maybe the Munich Agreement?
I think the best analogy is the US and Western European politicians of limited vision standing by while Russia annexed the Crimea.

[Anonymous]

Will DCUM send their children to die fighting Russia? Or will they leave that to the kids from red states…..again?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Will DCUM send their children to die fighting Russia? Or will they leave that to the kids from red states…..again?

Again what? Check your facts.
Two of the top three states contributing the most troops to the military are blue California and New York.