Federal judge rules that admissions changes at nation’s top public school discriminate against Asian

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Anonymous wrote:Who is the Asian that was discriminated against?

The only named plaintiff parent in the Coalition for TJ who was actually Asian was the mother of two TJ students at the time that the case was taken up. One of those two students had been admitted by the old process, and the other had been admitted by the new process. She was nominally listed in the case on behalf of her third child, who has since ALSO been admitted by the new process.

The other named plaintiff is very publicly a current candidate for the School Board. Go figure.

Makes you think.

That’s pathetic. Those parents and the Pacific Legal Foundation ought to be ashamed of themselves.

They are fighting racism. Jane Doe of Roe v. Wade didn’t drop her case after her baby was born.

They're fighting to institutionalize racism. If one policy is inclusive and the other is exclusive, and you're fighting for the one that is exclusive, you're the racist.

It is not exclusive.

It is manifestly exclusive. Less than 1% of incoming TJ classes for decades have come from economically disadvantaged families and there had not been enough Black students at TJ under the prior admissions process to fill a single graduating class after 33 years.

That is the definition of exclusive, if not de jure, then certainly de facto. And what the PLF is currently trying to convince the federal courts of is that the new admissions process engages in de facto discrimination against Asian students, when the evidence for such is FAR less clear than the obvious evidence of de facto segregation/discrimination under the previous process.

SO. MUCH. THIS.

If the operative term here is going to be “disparate impact”, there is approximately a thousand times more evidence to convict the prior admissions process of DI against poor kids and Black/Hispanic kids than there is with which to accuse the current admissions process of DI against Asians.

If you can’t do the math on that one, your claims of Asian supremacy are even more unfounded than I previously thought.

No one is claiming Asian supremacy. Only you people cry about "your kind" lives matter.
Don't always blame the system when you can not compete. You don't need a lot of money to get high score on exams like PSAT. Just grab a couple barron's PSAT books and study them.

More than anything, standardized exams measure test taking ability.

Test taking ability is not a translatable skill in any field beyond academic admissions processes.

So why in the world do we continue to emphasize them as some kind of measuring stick of ability when their utility can be so easily compromised through buying expensive prep materials?

Although it is not perfect, standardized exam is the most reliable and objective measurement tool that we have.
What is "test taking ability"? You need to master the subject materials well in order to get a good score.
"expensive prep materials"? Really, $15 a piece. I guess, driving a fancy car has more priority.

In short, stop playing victimhood on everything.

If $15 prep books were adequate to prepare kids for the old TJ admissions exams, you wouldn’t have had parents spending thousands of dollars on what Curie was offering.

In short, stop intentionally burying your head in the sand and engage with reality.

What is Curie? Marie Curie, the twice Nobel prize winner?

Curie is test prep center in South Riding that accounted for 25% of the class one year at TH. They published lists of names on their website, demonstrating how many kids they had gotten in during the last three years. Kids on TJ Vents were claiming that they’d memorized the test one year, so the next year’s class would have the exact test. It would all be hearsay if Curie itself hadn’t published those lists of names.

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Anonymous wrote:Who is the Asian that was discriminated against?

The only named plaintiff parent in the Coalition for TJ who was actually Asian was the mother of two TJ students at the time that the case was taken up. One of those two students had been admitted by the old process, and the other had been admitted by the new process. She was nominally listed in the case on behalf of her third child, who has since ALSO been admitted by the new process.

The other named plaintiff is very publicly a current candidate for the School Board. Go figure.

Makes you think.

That’s pathetic. Those parents and the Pacific Legal Foundation ought to be ashamed of themselves.

They are fighting racism. Jane Doe of Roe v. Wade didn’t drop her case after her baby was born.

They're fighting to institutionalize racism. If one policy is inclusive and the other is exclusive, and you're fighting for the one that is exclusive, you're the racist.

It is not exclusive.

It is manifestly exclusive. Less than 1% of incoming TJ classes for decades have come from economically disadvantaged families and there had not been enough Black students at TJ under the prior admissions process to fill a single graduating class after 33 years.

That is the definition of exclusive, if not de jure, then certainly de facto. And what the PLF is currently trying to convince the federal courts of is that the new admissions process engages in de facto discrimination against Asian students, when the evidence for such is FAR less clear than the obvious evidence of de facto segregation/discrimination under the previous process.

SO. MUCH. THIS.

If the operative term here is going to be “disparate impact”, there is approximately a thousand times more evidence to convict the prior admissions process of DI against poor kids and Black/Hispanic kids than there is with which to accuse the current admissions process of DI against Asians.

If you can’t do the math on that one, your claims of Asian supremacy are even more unfounded than I previously thought.

No one is claiming Asian supremacy. Only you people cry about "your kind" lives matter.
Don't always blame the system when you can not compete. You don't need a lot of money to get high score on exams like PSAT. Just grab a couple barron's PSAT books and study them.

More than anything, standardized exams measure test taking ability.

Test taking ability is not a translatable skill in any field beyond academic admissions processes.

So why in the world do we continue to emphasize them as some kind of measuring stick of ability when their utility can be so easily compromised through buying expensive prep materials?

Although it is not perfect, standardized exam is the most reliable and objective measurement tool that we have.
What is "test taking ability"? You need to master the subject materials well in order to get a good score.
"expensive prep materials"? Really, $15 a piece. I guess, driving a fancy car has more priority.

In short, stop playing victimhood on everything.

If $15 prep books were adequate to prepare kids for the old TJ admissions exams, you wouldn’t have had parents spending thousands of dollars on what Curie was offering.

In short, stop intentionally burying your head in the sand and engage with reality.

What is Curie? Marie Curie, the twice Nobel prize winner?

Curie is test prep center in South Riding that accounted for 25% of the class one year at TH. They published lists of names on their website, demonstrating how many kids they had gotten in during the last three years. Kids on TJ Vents were claiming that they’d memorized the test one year, so the next year’s class would have the exact test. It would all be hearsay if Curie itself hadn’t published those lists of names.

Curie's 25% of class is a great success rate. Publishing list of names is a way to celebrate and recognize the hard work and dedication of the students who have performed exceptionally well in one of the most competitive entrance exam. Curie has a history of publishing candidate lists, extending well beyond three years. This practice allows you to monitor and ensure that none of the students drop out and that they successfully complete the TJ curriculum as top achievers. Transparency demonstrates confidence in having nothing to conceal. Seeing the names of successful students can inspire other aspiring TJ applicants to strive for excellence and pursue careers in science and technology. Instead of betting on equity lottery and frivolous essay, applicants know their hardwork matters and makes all the difference.

Memorization is an essential attribute for student success. High-achieving students commit to memory a wide array of information, including math facts, chemistry periodic tables, trigonometry equations, geography details, and SAT vocabulary. Curie emphasizes the significance of memorization as it greatly facilitates the practical application of knowledge. Without this crucial step, students may struggle to recall information when solving real-world problems. The majority of the TJ curriculum revolves around memorizing facts in subjects like math, science, and humanities. Whether it is Curie, AoP, Kumon, etc., their aim is to prepare students not only for admission to TJ but also to excel academically once they are there.

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Anonymous wrote:Who is the Asian that was discriminated against?

The only named plaintiff parent in the Coalition for TJ who was actually Asian was the mother of two TJ students at the time that the case was taken up. One of those two students had been admitted by the old process, and the other had been admitted by the new process. She was nominally listed in the case on behalf of her third child, who has since ALSO been admitted by the new process.

The other named plaintiff is very publicly a current candidate for the School Board. Go figure.

Makes you think.

That’s pathetic. Those parents and the Pacific Legal Foundation ought to be ashamed of themselves.

They are fighting racism. Jane Doe of Roe v. Wade didn’t drop her case after her baby was born.

They're fighting to institutionalize racism. If one policy is inclusive and the other is exclusive, and you're fighting for the one that is exclusive, you're the racist.

It is not exclusive.

It is manifestly exclusive. Less than 1% of incoming TJ classes for decades have come from economically disadvantaged families and there had not been enough Black students at TJ under the prior admissions process to fill a single graduating class after 33 years.

That is the definition of exclusive, if not de jure, then certainly de facto. And what the PLF is currently trying to convince the federal courts of is that the new admissions process engages in de facto discrimination against Asian students, when the evidence for such is FAR less clear than the obvious evidence of de facto segregation/discrimination under the previous process.

SO. MUCH. THIS.

If the operative term here is going to be “disparate impact”, there is approximately a thousand times more evidence to convict the prior admissions process of DI against poor kids and Black/Hispanic kids than there is with which to accuse the current admissions process of DI against Asians.

If you can’t do the math on that one, your claims of Asian supremacy are even more unfounded than I previously thought.

No one is claiming Asian supremacy. Only you people cry about "your kind" lives matter.
Don't always blame the system when you can not compete. You don't need a lot of money to get high score on exams like PSAT. Just grab a couple barron's PSAT books and study them.

More than anything, standardized exams measure test taking ability.

Test taking ability is not a translatable skill in any field beyond academic admissions processes.

So why in the world do we continue to emphasize them as some kind of measuring stick of ability when their utility can be so easily compromised through buying expensive prep materials?

Although it is not perfect, standardized exam is the most reliable and objective measurement tool that we have.
What is "test taking ability"? You need to master the subject materials well in order to get a good score.
"expensive prep materials"? Really, $15 a piece. I guess, driving a fancy car has more priority.

In short, stop playing victimhood on everything.

If $15 prep books were adequate to prepare kids for the old TJ admissions exams, you wouldn’t have had parents spending thousands of dollars on what Curie was offering.

In short, stop intentionally burying your head in the sand and engage with reality.

What is Curie? Marie Curie, the twice Nobel prize winner?

Curie is the TJ student factory that wealthy Indian families use to ensure their offspring have the best chance at admission

Fixed it for you. Curie is virtually 100% Indian, but not all of the families availing themselves of their services are wealthy.

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Anonymous wrote:Who is the Asian that was discriminated against?

The only named plaintiff parent in the Coalition for TJ who was actually Asian was the mother of two TJ students at the time that the case was taken up. One of those two students had been admitted by the old process, and the other had been admitted by the new process. She was nominally listed in the case on behalf of her third child, who has since ALSO been admitted by the new process.

The other named plaintiff is very publicly a current candidate for the School Board. Go figure.

Makes you think.

That’s pathetic. Those parents and the Pacific Legal Foundation ought to be ashamed of themselves.

They are fighting racism. Jane Doe of Roe v. Wade didn’t drop her case after her baby was born.

They're fighting to institutionalize racism. If one policy is inclusive and the other is exclusive, and you're fighting for the one that is exclusive, you're the racist.

It is not exclusive.

It is manifestly exclusive. Less than 1% of incoming TJ classes for decades have come from economically disadvantaged families and there had not been enough Black students at TJ under the prior admissions process to fill a single graduating class after 33 years.

That is the definition of exclusive, if not de jure, then certainly de facto. And what the PLF is currently trying to convince the federal courts of is that the new admissions process engages in de facto discrimination against Asian students, when the evidence for such is FAR less clear than the obvious evidence of de facto segregation/discrimination under the previous process.

SO. MUCH. THIS.

If the operative term here is going to be “disparate impact”, there is approximately a thousand times more evidence to convict the prior admissions process of DI against poor kids and Black/Hispanic kids than there is with which to accuse the current admissions process of DI against Asians.

If you can’t do the math on that one, your claims of Asian supremacy are even more unfounded than I previously thought.

No one is claiming Asian supremacy. Only you people cry about "your kind" lives matter.
Don't always blame the system when you can not compete. You don't need a lot of money to get high score on exams like PSAT. Just grab a couple barron's PSAT books and study them.

More than anything, standardized exams measure test taking ability.

Test taking ability is not a translatable skill in any field beyond academic admissions processes.

So why in the world do we continue to emphasize them as some kind of measuring stick of ability when their utility can be so easily compromised through buying expensive prep materials?

Although it is not perfect, standardized exam is the most reliable and objective measurement tool that we have.
What is "test taking ability"? You need to master the subject materials well in order to get a good score.
"expensive prep materials"? Really, $15 a piece. I guess, driving a fancy car has more priority.

In short, stop playing victimhood on everything.

If $15 prep books were adequate to prepare kids for the old TJ admissions exams, you wouldn’t have had parents spending thousands of dollars on what Curie was offering.

In short, stop intentionally burying your head in the sand and engage with reality.

What is Curie? Marie Curie, the twice Nobel prize winner?

Curie is test prep center in South Riding that accounted for 25% of the class one year at TH. They published lists of names on their website, demonstrating how many kids they had gotten in during the last three years. Kids on TJ Vents were claiming that they’d memorized the test one year, so the next year’s class would have the exact test. It would all be hearsay if Curie itself hadn’t published those lists of names.

Curie's 25% of class is a great success rate. Publishing list of names is a way to celebrate and recognize the hard work and dedication of the students who have performed exceptionally well in one of the most competitive entrance exam. Curie has a history of publishing candidate lists, extending well beyond three years. This practice allows you to monitor and ensure that none of the students drop out and that they successfully complete the TJ curriculum as top achievers. Transparency demonstrates confidence in having nothing to conceal. Seeing the names of successful students can inspire other aspiring TJ applicants to strive for excellence and pursue careers in science and technology. Instead of betting on equity lottery and frivolous essay, applicants know their hardwork matters and makes all the difference.

Memorization is an essential attribute for student success. High-achieving students commit to memory a wide array of information, including math facts, chemistry periodic tables, trigonometry equations, geography details, and SAT vocabulary. Curie emphasizes the significance of memorization as it greatly facilitates the practical application of knowledge. Without this crucial step, students may struggle to recall information when solving real-world problems. The majority of the TJ curriculum revolves around memorizing facts in subjects like math, science, and humanities. Whether it is Curie, AoP, Kumon, etc., their aim is to prepare students not only for admission to TJ but also to excel academically once they are there.

You know who else adheres to the tradition of publicly recognizing diligent students:

https://www.fcps.edu/news/264-fcps-students-named-2024-national-merit-semifinalists

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Anonymous wrote:Who is the Asian that was discriminated against?

The only named plaintiff parent in the Coalition for TJ who was actually Asian was the mother of two TJ students at the time that the case was taken up. One of those two students had been admitted by the old process, and the other had been admitted by the new process. She was nominally listed in the case on behalf of her third child, who has since ALSO been admitted by the new process.

The other named plaintiff is very publicly a current candidate for the School Board. Go figure.

Makes you think.

That’s pathetic. Those parents and the Pacific Legal Foundation ought to be ashamed of themselves.

They are fighting racism. Jane Doe of Roe v. Wade didn’t drop her case after her baby was born.

They're fighting to institutionalize racism. If one policy is inclusive and the other is exclusive, and you're fighting for the one that is exclusive, you're the racist.

It is not exclusive.

It is manifestly exclusive. Less than 1% of incoming TJ classes for decades have come from economically disadvantaged families and there had not been enough Black students at TJ under the prior admissions process to fill a single graduating class after 33 years.

That is the definition of exclusive, if not de jure, then certainly de facto. And what the PLF is currently trying to convince the federal courts of is that the new admissions process engages in de facto discrimination against Asian students, when the evidence for such is FAR less clear than the obvious evidence of de facto segregation/discrimination under the previous process.

SO. MUCH. THIS.

If the operative term here is going to be “disparate impact”, there is approximately a thousand times more evidence to convict the prior admissions process of DI against poor kids and Black/Hispanic kids than there is with which to accuse the current admissions process of DI against Asians.

If you can’t do the math on that one, your claims of Asian supremacy are even more unfounded than I previously thought.

No one is claiming Asian supremacy. Only you people cry about "your kind" lives matter.
Don't always blame the system when you can not compete. You don't need a lot of money to get high score on exams like PSAT. Just grab a couple barron's PSAT books and study them.

More than anything, standardized exams measure test taking ability.

Test taking ability is not a translatable skill in any field beyond academic admissions processes.

So why in the world do we continue to emphasize them as some kind of measuring stick of ability when their utility can be so easily compromised through buying expensive prep materials?

Although it is not perfect, standardized exam is the most reliable and objective measurement tool that we have.
What is "test taking ability"? You need to master the subject materials well in order to get a good score.
"expensive prep materials"? Really, $15 a piece. I guess, driving a fancy car has more priority.

In short, stop playing victimhood on everything.

If $15 prep books were adequate to prepare kids for the old TJ admissions exams, you wouldn’t have had parents spending thousands of dollars on what Curie was offering.

In short, stop intentionally burying your head in the sand and engage with reality.

What is Curie? Marie Curie, the twice Nobel prize winner?

Curie is test prep center in South Riding that accounted for 25% of the class one year at TH. They published lists of names on their website, demonstrating how many kids they had gotten in during the last three years. Kids on TJ Vents were claiming that they’d memorized the test one year, so the next year’s class would have the exact test. It would all be hearsay if Curie itself hadn’t published those lists of names.

The total number was actually 28%.

Additionally - and this is wild - there are approximately 185 students of South Asian descent in TJ's Class of 2024. 133 of them were identified by Curie on these lists, meaning that over 70% of South Asian students in TJ's Class of 2024 were Curie products.

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Anonymous wrote:Who is the Asian that was discriminated against?

The only named plaintiff parent in the Coalition for TJ who was actually Asian was the mother of two TJ students at the time that the case was taken up. One of those two students had been admitted by the old process, and the other had been admitted by the new process. She was nominally listed in the case on behalf of her third child, who has since ALSO been admitted by the new process.

The other named plaintiff is very publicly a current candidate for the School Board. Go figure.

Makes you think.

That’s pathetic. Those parents and the Pacific Legal Foundation ought to be ashamed of themselves.

They are fighting racism. Jane Doe of Roe v. Wade didn’t drop her case after her baby was born.

They're fighting to institutionalize racism. If one policy is inclusive and the other is exclusive, and you're fighting for the one that is exclusive, you're the racist.

It is not exclusive.

It is manifestly exclusive. Less than 1% of incoming TJ classes for decades have come from economically disadvantaged families and there had not been enough Black students at TJ under the prior admissions process to fill a single graduating class after 33 years.

That is the definition of exclusive, if not de jure, then certainly de facto. And what the PLF is currently trying to convince the federal courts of is that the new admissions process engages in de facto discrimination against Asian students, when the evidence for such is FAR less clear than the obvious evidence of de facto segregation/discrimination under the previous process.

SO. MUCH. THIS.

If the operative term here is going to be “disparate impact”, there is approximately a thousand times more evidence to convict the prior admissions process of DI against poor kids and Black/Hispanic kids than there is with which to accuse the current admissions process of DI against Asians.

If you can’t do the math on that one, your claims of Asian supremacy are even more unfounded than I previously thought.

No one is claiming Asian supremacy. Only you people cry about "your kind" lives matter.
Don't always blame the system when you can not compete. You don't need a lot of money to get high score on exams like PSAT. Just grab a couple barron's PSAT books and study them.

More than anything, standardized exams measure test taking ability.

Test taking ability is not a translatable skill in any field beyond academic admissions processes.

So why in the world do we continue to emphasize them as some kind of measuring stick of ability when their utility can be so easily compromised through buying expensive prep materials?

Although it is not perfect, standardized exam is the most reliable and objective measurement tool that we have.
What is "test taking ability"? You need to master the subject materials well in order to get a good score.
"expensive prep materials"? Really, $15 a piece. I guess, driving a fancy car has more priority.

In short, stop playing victimhood on everything.

If $15 prep books were adequate to prepare kids for the old TJ admissions exams, you wouldn’t have had parents spending thousands of dollars on what Curie was offering.

In short, stop intentionally burying your head in the sand and engage with reality.

What is Curie? Marie Curie, the twice Nobel prize winner?

Curie is the TJ student factory that wealthy Indian families use to ensure their offspring have the best chance at admission

Fixed it for you. Curie is virtually 100% Indian, but not all of the families availing themselves of their services are wealthy.

What's the point here? Beyond Hoops basketball academy is all Black. Wolfe Ice Hockey is all White. If Indians choose to spend their bottom dollars at Curie, it's their choice.

It appears that you may have had prior experiences or concerns related to Curie and the Indian community, leading you to harbor grudge towards Asian Indians. Consider seeking advice from a mental health professional. Racism can be cured, at the least addressing the root cause of your hate can help promote understanding and overcome any biases and prejudices. Get help.

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Anonymous wrote:Who is the Asian that was discriminated against?

The only named plaintiff parent in the Coalition for TJ who was actually Asian was the mother of two TJ students at the time that the case was taken up. One of those two students had been admitted by the old process, and the other had been admitted by the new process. She was nominally listed in the case on behalf of her third child, who has since ALSO been admitted by the new process.

The other named plaintiff is very publicly a current candidate for the School Board. Go figure.

Makes you think.

That’s pathetic. Those parents and the Pacific Legal Foundation ought to be ashamed of themselves.

They are fighting racism. Jane Doe of Roe v. Wade didn’t drop her case after her baby was born.

They're fighting to institutionalize racism. If one policy is inclusive and the other is exclusive, and you're fighting for the one that is exclusive, you're the racist.

It is not exclusive.

It is manifestly exclusive. Less than 1% of incoming TJ classes for decades have come from economically disadvantaged families and there had not been enough Black students at TJ under the prior admissions process to fill a single graduating class after 33 years.

That is the definition of exclusive, if not de jure, then certainly de facto. And what the PLF is currently trying to convince the federal courts of is that the new admissions process engages in de facto discrimination against Asian students, when the evidence for such is FAR less clear than the obvious evidence of de facto segregation/discrimination under the previous process.

SO. MUCH. THIS.

If the operative term here is going to be “disparate impact”, there is approximately a thousand times more evidence to convict the prior admissions process of DI against poor kids and Black/Hispanic kids than there is with which to accuse the current admissions process of DI against Asians.

If you can’t do the math on that one, your claims of Asian supremacy are even more unfounded than I previously thought.

No one is claiming Asian supremacy. Only you people cry about "your kind" lives matter.
Don't always blame the system when you can not compete. You don't need a lot of money to get high score on exams like PSAT. Just grab a couple barron's PSAT books and study them.

More than anything, standardized exams measure test taking ability.

Test taking ability is not a translatable skill in any field beyond academic admissions processes.

So why in the world do we continue to emphasize them as some kind of measuring stick of ability when their utility can be so easily compromised through buying expensive prep materials?

Although it is not perfect, standardized exam is the most reliable and objective measurement tool that we have.
What is "test taking ability"? You need to master the subject materials well in order to get a good score.
"expensive prep materials"? Really, $15 a piece. I guess, driving a fancy car has more priority.

In short, stop playing victimhood on everything.

If $15 prep books were adequate to prepare kids for the old TJ admissions exams, you wouldn’t have had parents spending thousands of dollars on what Curie was offering.

In short, stop intentionally burying your head in the sand and engage with reality.

What is Curie? Marie Curie, the twice Nobel prize winner?

Curie is test prep center in South Riding that accounted for 25% of the class one year at TH. They published lists of names on their website, demonstrating how many kids they had gotten in during the last three years. Kids on TJ Vents were claiming that they’d memorized the test one year, so the next year’s class would have the exact test. It would all be hearsay if Curie itself hadn’t published those lists of names.

The total number was actually 28%.

Additionally - and this is wild - there are approximately 185 students of South Asian descent in TJ's Class of 2024. 133 of them were identified by Curie on these lists, meaning that over 70% of South Asian students in TJ's Class of 2024 were Curie products.

Congratulations to the diligent Asian American students, who draw inspiration from accomplished leaders such as Sundar Pichai (Google), Satya Nadella (Microsoft), Arvind Krishna (IBM), Jen-Hsun Huang (NVIDIA), Jerry Yang (Yahoo!), Sanjay Mehrotra (Micron Technology), Lisa Su (AMD), and more

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Anonymous wrote:Who is the Asian that was discriminated against?

The only named plaintiff parent in the Coalition for TJ who was actually Asian was the mother of two TJ students at the time that the case was taken up. One of those two students had been admitted by the old process, and the other had been admitted by the new process. She was nominally listed in the case on behalf of her third child, who has since ALSO been admitted by the new process.

The other named plaintiff is very publicly a current candidate for the School Board. Go figure.

Makes you think.

That’s pathetic. Those parents and the Pacific Legal Foundation ought to be ashamed of themselves.

They are fighting racism. Jane Doe of Roe v. Wade didn’t drop her case after her baby was born.

They're fighting to institutionalize racism. If one policy is inclusive and the other is exclusive, and you're fighting for the one that is exclusive, you're the racist.

It is not exclusive.

It is manifestly exclusive. Less than 1% of incoming TJ classes for decades have come from economically disadvantaged families and there had not been enough Black students at TJ under the prior admissions process to fill a single graduating class after 33 years.

That is the definition of exclusive, if not de jure, then certainly de facto. And what the PLF is currently trying to convince the federal courts of is that the new admissions process engages in de facto discrimination against Asian students, when the evidence for such is FAR less clear than the obvious evidence of de facto segregation/discrimination under the previous process.

SO. MUCH. THIS.

If the operative term here is going to be “disparate impact”, there is approximately a thousand times more evidence to convict the prior admissions process of DI against poor kids and Black/Hispanic kids than there is with which to accuse the current admissions process of DI against Asians.

If you can’t do the math on that one, your claims of Asian supremacy are even more unfounded than I previously thought.

No one is claiming Asian supremacy. Only you people cry about "your kind" lives matter.
Don't always blame the system when you can not compete. You don't need a lot of money to get high score on exams like PSAT. Just grab a couple barron's PSAT books and study them.

More than anything, standardized exams measure test taking ability.

Test taking ability is not a translatable skill in any field beyond academic admissions processes.

So why in the world do we continue to emphasize them as some kind of measuring stick of ability when their utility can be so easily compromised through buying expensive prep materials?

Although it is not perfect, standardized exam is the most reliable and objective measurement tool that we have.
What is "test taking ability"? You need to master the subject materials well in order to get a good score.
"expensive prep materials"? Really, $15 a piece. I guess, driving a fancy car has more priority.

In short, stop playing victimhood on everything.

If $15 prep books were adequate to prepare kids for the old TJ admissions exams, you wouldn’t have had parents spending thousands of dollars on what Curie was offering.

In short, stop intentionally burying your head in the sand and engage with reality.

What is Curie? Marie Curie, the twice Nobel prize winner?

Curie is the TJ student factory that wealthy Indian families use to ensure their offspring have the best chance at admission

Fixed it for you. Curie is virtually 100% Indian, but not all of the families availing themselves of their services are wealthy.

What's the point here? Beyond Hoops basketball academy is all Black. Wolfe Ice Hockey is all White. If Indians choose to spend their bottom dollars at Curie, it's their choice.

It appears that you may have had prior experiences or concerns related to Curie and the Indian community, leading you to harbor grudge towards Asian Indians. Consider seeking advice from a mental health professional. Racism can be cured, at the least addressing the root cause of your hate can help promote understanding and overcome any biases and prejudices. Get help.

Amusing. I'd invite you and your people to do the same regarding Black folks. And I'm guessing that the examples that you gave are probably false.

The challenge that I have is not that Indians spend their money at Curie, but that it appears that no one else does. And when you combine that with the ethically (but not legally) questionable actions that Curie took with respect to the TJ admissions process, it's not too difficult to construct a narrative where its purpose is only to serve the Indian community.

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The only named plaintiff parent in the Coalition for TJ who was actually Asian was the mother of two TJ students at the time that the case was taken up. One of those two students had been admitted by the old process, and the other had been admitted by the new process. She was nominally listed in the case on behalf of her third child, who has since ALSO been admitted by the new process.

The other named plaintiff is very publicly a current candidate for the School Board. Go figure.

Makes you think.

That’s pathetic. Those parents and the Pacific Legal Foundation ought to be ashamed of themselves.

They are fighting racism. Jane Doe of Roe v. Wade didn’t drop her case after her baby was born.

They're fighting to institutionalize racism. If one policy is inclusive and the other is exclusive, and you're fighting for the one that is exclusive, you're the racist.

It is not exclusive.

It is manifestly exclusive. Less than 1% of incoming TJ classes for decades have come from economically disadvantaged families and there had not been enough Black students at TJ under the prior admissions process to fill a single graduating class after 33 years.

That is the definition of exclusive, if not de jure, then certainly de facto. And what the PLF is currently trying to convince the federal courts of is that the new admissions process engages in de facto discrimination against Asian students, when the evidence for such is FAR less clear than the obvious evidence of de facto segregation/discrimination under the previous process.

SO. MUCH. THIS.

If the operative term here is going to be “disparate impact”, there is approximately a thousand times more evidence to convict the prior admissions process of DI against poor kids and Black/Hispanic kids than there is with which to accuse the current admissions process of DI against Asians.

If you can’t do the math on that one, your claims of Asian supremacy are even more unfounded than I previously thought.

No one is claiming Asian supremacy. Only you people cry about "your kind" lives matter.
Don't always blame the system when you can not compete. You don't need a lot of money to get high score on exams like PSAT. Just grab a couple barron's PSAT books and study them.

More than anything, standardized exams measure test taking ability.

Test taking ability is not a translatable skill in any field beyond academic admissions processes.

So why in the world do we continue to emphasize them as some kind of measuring stick of ability when their utility can be so easily compromised through buying expensive prep materials?

Although it is not perfect, standardized exam is the most reliable and objective measurement tool that we have.
What is "test taking ability"? You need to master the subject materials well in order to get a good score.
"expensive prep materials"? Really, $15 a piece. I guess, driving a fancy car has more priority.

In short, stop playing victimhood on everything.

If $15 prep books were adequate to prepare kids for the old TJ admissions exams, you wouldn’t have had parents spending thousands of dollars on what Curie was offering.

In short, stop intentionally burying your head in the sand and engage with reality.

What is Curie? Marie Curie, the twice Nobel prize winner?

Curie is the TJ student factory that wealthy Indian families use to ensure their offspring have the best chance at admission

Fixed it for you. Curie is virtually 100% Indian, but not all of the families availing themselves of their services are wealthy.

What's the point here? Beyond Hoops basketball academy is all Black. Wolfe Ice Hockey is all White. If Indians choose to spend their bottom dollars at Curie, it's their choice.

It appears that you may have had prior experiences or concerns related to Curie and the Indian community, leading you to harbor grudge towards Asian Indians. Consider seeking advice from a mental health professional. Racism can be cured, at the least addressing the root cause of your hate can help promote understanding and overcome any biases and prejudices. Get help.

Amusing. I'd invite you and your people to do the same regarding Black folks. And I'm guessing that the examples that you gave are probably false.

The challenge that I have is not that Indians spend their money at Curie, but that it appears that no one else does. And when you combine that with the ethically (but not legally) questionable actions that Curie took with respect to the TJ admissions process, it's not too difficult to construct a narrative where its purpose is only to serve the Indian community.

I think we're getting off track. The question isn't really "Should Curie provide a service to a specific community?"

The question is "Should TJ, a public educational institution, situate itself so that it serves predominantly those who can afford a service such as the one Curie provides?"

If students of any background want to spend their time memorizing tests, that's their right and Curie can continue to provide that service. But TJ doesn't have to reward that particular hobby in its admissions process.

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Anonymous wrote:Who is the Asian that was discriminated against?

The only named plaintiff parent in the Coalition for TJ who was actually Asian was the mother of two TJ students at the time that the case was taken up. One of those two students had been admitted by the old process, and the other had been admitted by the new process. She was nominally listed in the case on behalf of her third child, who has since ALSO been admitted by the new process.

The other named plaintiff is very publicly a current candidate for the School Board. Go figure.

Makes you think.

That’s pathetic. Those parents and the Pacific Legal Foundation ought to be ashamed of themselves.

They are fighting racism. Jane Doe of Roe v. Wade didn’t drop her case after her baby was born.

They're fighting to institutionalize racism. If one policy is inclusive and the other is exclusive, and you're fighting for the one that is exclusive, you're the racist.

It is not exclusive.

It is manifestly exclusive. Less than 1% of incoming TJ classes for decades have come from economically disadvantaged families and there had not been enough Black students at TJ under the prior admissions process to fill a single graduating class after 33 years.

That is the definition of exclusive, if not de jure, then certainly de facto. And what the PLF is currently trying to convince the federal courts of is that the new admissions process engages in de facto discrimination against Asian students, when the evidence for such is FAR less clear than the obvious evidence of de facto segregation/discrimination under the previous process.

SO. MUCH. THIS.

If the operative term here is going to be “disparate impact”, there is approximately a thousand times more evidence to convict the prior admissions process of DI against poor kids and Black/Hispanic kids than there is with which to accuse the current admissions process of DI against Asians.

If you can’t do the math on that one, your claims of Asian supremacy are even more unfounded than I previously thought.

No one is claiming Asian supremacy. Only you people cry about "your kind" lives matter.
Don't always blame the system when you can not compete. You don't need a lot of money to get high score on exams like PSAT. Just grab a couple barron's PSAT books and study them.

More than anything, standardized exams measure test taking ability.

Test taking ability is not a translatable skill in any field beyond academic admissions processes.

So why in the world do we continue to emphasize them as some kind of measuring stick of ability when their utility can be so easily compromised through buying expensive prep materials?

Although it is not perfect, standardized exam is the most reliable and objective measurement tool that we have.
What is "test taking ability"? You need to master the subject materials well in order to get a good score.
"expensive prep materials"? Really, $15 a piece. I guess, driving a fancy car has more priority.

In short, stop playing victimhood on everything.

If $15 prep books were adequate to prepare kids for the old TJ admissions exams, you wouldn’t have had parents spending thousands of dollars on what Curie was offering.

In short, stop intentionally burying your head in the sand and engage with reality.

What is Curie? Marie Curie, the twice Nobel prize winner?

Curie is the TJ student factory that wealthy Indian families use to ensure their offspring have the best chance at admission

Fixed it for you. Curie is virtually 100% Indian, but not all of the families availing themselves of their services are wealthy.

What's the point here? Beyond Hoops basketball academy is all Black. Wolfe Ice Hockey is all White. If Indians choose to spend their bottom dollars at Curie, it's their choice.

It appears that you may have had prior experiences or concerns related to Curie and the Indian community, leading you to harbor grudge towards Asian Indians. Consider seeking advice from a mental health professional. Racism can be cured, at the least addressing the root cause of your hate can help promote understanding and overcome any biases and prejudices. Get help.

Amusing. I'd invite you and your people to do the same regarding Black folks. And I'm guessing that the examples that you gave are probably false.

The challenge that I have is not that Indians spend their money at Curie, but that it appears that no one else does. And when you combine that with the ethically (but not legally) questionable actions that Curie took with respect to the TJ admissions process, it's not too difficult to construct a narrative where its purpose is only to serve the Indian community.

Curie, AoPs, Kumon, and others are following the path similar to what Barrons, Princeton Review, Kaplan, McGraw Hill, and others have been doing by publishing review materials and practice tests for AP Exams. This study material is accessible to all, whether through standard textbooks or these more organized preparation materials. It is ethical to prepare from subject books that are widely accessible. It is called studying. The key distinguishing factor lies in the student's commitment to the effort required and the support provided by their family.

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Anonymous wrote:Who is the Asian that was discriminated against?

The only named plaintiff parent in the Coalition for TJ who was actually Asian was the mother of two TJ students at the time that the case was taken up. One of those two students had been admitted by the old process, and the other had been admitted by the new process. She was nominally listed in the case on behalf of her third child, who has since ALSO been admitted by the new process.

The other named plaintiff is very publicly a current candidate for the School Board. Go figure.

Makes you think.

That’s pathetic. Those parents and the Pacific Legal Foundation ought to be ashamed of themselves.

They are fighting racism. Jane Doe of Roe v. Wade didn’t drop her case after her baby was born.

They're fighting to institutionalize racism. If one policy is inclusive and the other is exclusive, and you're fighting for the one that is exclusive, you're the racist.

It is not exclusive.

It is manifestly exclusive. Less than 1% of incoming TJ classes for decades have come from economically disadvantaged families and there had not been enough Black students at TJ under the prior admissions process to fill a single graduating class after 33 years.

That is the definition of exclusive, if not de jure, then certainly de facto. And what the PLF is currently trying to convince the federal courts of is that the new admissions process engages in de facto discrimination against Asian students, when the evidence for such is FAR less clear than the obvious evidence of de facto segregation/discrimination under the previous process.

SO. MUCH. THIS.

If the operative term here is going to be “disparate impact”, there is approximately a thousand times more evidence to convict the prior admissions process of DI against poor kids and Black/Hispanic kids than there is with which to accuse the current admissions process of DI against Asians.

If you can’t do the math on that one, your claims of Asian supremacy are even more unfounded than I previously thought.

No one is claiming Asian supremacy. Only you people cry about "your kind" lives matter.
Don't always blame the system when you can not compete. You don't need a lot of money to get high score on exams like PSAT. Just grab a couple barron's PSAT books and study them.

More than anything, standardized exams measure test taking ability.

Test taking ability is not a translatable skill in any field beyond academic admissions processes.

So why in the world do we continue to emphasize them as some kind of measuring stick of ability when their utility can be so easily compromised through buying expensive prep materials?

Although it is not perfect, standardized exam is the most reliable and objective measurement tool that we have.
What is "test taking ability"? You need to master the subject materials well in order to get a good score.
"expensive prep materials"? Really, $15 a piece. I guess, driving a fancy car has more priority.

In short, stop playing victimhood on everything.

If $15 prep books were adequate to prepare kids for the old TJ admissions exams, you wouldn’t have had parents spending thousands of dollars on what Curie was offering.

In short, stop intentionally burying your head in the sand and engage with reality.

What is Curie? Marie Curie, the twice Nobel prize winner?

Curie is the TJ student factory that wealthy Indian families use to ensure their offspring have the best chance at admission

Fixed it for you. Curie is virtually 100% Indian, but not all of the families availing themselves of their services are wealthy.

What's the point here? Beyond Hoops basketball academy is all Black. Wolfe Ice Hockey is all White. If Indians choose to spend their bottom dollars at Curie, it's their choice.

It appears that you may have had prior experiences or concerns related to Curie and the Indian community, leading you to harbor grudge towards Asian Indians. Consider seeking advice from a mental health professional. Racism can be cured, at the least addressing the root cause of your hate can help promote understanding and overcome any biases and prejudices. Get help.

Amusing. I'd invite you and your people to do the same regarding Black folks. And I'm guessing that the examples that you gave are probably false.

The challenge that I have is not that Indians spend their money at Curie, but that it appears that no one else does. And when you combine that with the ethically (but not legally) questionable actions that Curie took with respect to the TJ admissions process, it's not too difficult to construct a narrative where its purpose is only to serve the Indian community.

I think we're getting off track. The question isn't really "Should Curie provide a service to a specific community?"

The question is "Should TJ, a public educational institution, situate itself so that it serves predominantly those who can afford a service such as the one Curie provides?"

If students of any background want to spend their time memorizing tests, that's their right and Curie can continue to provide that service. But TJ doesn't have to reward that particular hobby in its admissions process.

PP. This is EXACTLY right. Kudos to you for making the point more succinctly and elegantly than I was able to.

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Anonymous wrote:Who is the Asian that was discriminated against?

The only named plaintiff parent in the Coalition for TJ who was actually Asian was the mother of two TJ students at the time that the case was taken up. One of those two students had been admitted by the old process, and the other had been admitted by the new process. She was nominally listed in the case on behalf of her third child, who has since ALSO been admitted by the new process.

The other named plaintiff is very publicly a current candidate for the School Board. Go figure.

Makes you think.

That’s pathetic. Those parents and the Pacific Legal Foundation ought to be ashamed of themselves.

They are fighting racism. Jane Doe of Roe v. Wade didn’t drop her case after her baby was born.

They're fighting to institutionalize racism. If one policy is inclusive and the other is exclusive, and you're fighting for the one that is exclusive, you're the racist.

It is not exclusive.

It is manifestly exclusive. Less than 1% of incoming TJ classes for decades have come from economically disadvantaged families and there had not been enough Black students at TJ under the prior admissions process to fill a single graduating class after 33 years.

That is the definition of exclusive, if not de jure, then certainly de facto. And what the PLF is currently trying to convince the federal courts of is that the new admissions process engages in de facto discrimination against Asian students, when the evidence for such is FAR less clear than the obvious evidence of de facto segregation/discrimination under the previous process.

SO. MUCH. THIS.

If the operative term here is going to be “disparate impact”, there is approximately a thousand times more evidence to convict the prior admissions process of DI against poor kids and Black/Hispanic kids than there is with which to accuse the current admissions process of DI against Asians.

If you can’t do the math on that one, your claims of Asian supremacy are even more unfounded than I previously thought.

No one is claiming Asian supremacy. Only you people cry about "your kind" lives matter.
Don't always blame the system when you can not compete. You don't need a lot of money to get high score on exams like PSAT. Just grab a couple barron's PSAT books and study them.

More than anything, standardized exams measure test taking ability.

Test taking ability is not a translatable skill in any field beyond academic admissions processes.

So why in the world do we continue to emphasize them as some kind of measuring stick of ability when their utility can be so easily compromised through buying expensive prep materials?

Although it is not perfect, standardized exam is the most reliable and objective measurement tool that we have.
What is "test taking ability"? You need to master the subject materials well in order to get a good score.
"expensive prep materials"? Really, $15 a piece. I guess, driving a fancy car has more priority.

In short, stop playing victimhood on everything.

If $15 prep books were adequate to prepare kids for the old TJ admissions exams, you wouldn’t have had parents spending thousands of dollars on what Curie was offering.

In short, stop intentionally burying your head in the sand and engage with reality.

What is Curie? Marie Curie, the twice Nobel prize winner?

Curie is the TJ student factory that wealthy Indian families use to ensure their offspring have the best chance at admission

Fixed it for you. Curie is virtually 100% Indian, but not all of the families availing themselves of their services are wealthy.

What's the point here? Beyond Hoops basketball academy is all Black. Wolfe Ice Hockey is all White. If Indians choose to spend their bottom dollars at Curie, it's their choice.

It appears that you may have had prior experiences or concerns related to Curie and the Indian community, leading you to harbor grudge towards Asian Indians. Consider seeking advice from a mental health professional. Racism can be cured, at the least addressing the root cause of your hate can help promote understanding and overcome any biases and prejudices. Get help.

Amusing. I'd invite you and your people to do the same regarding Black folks. And I'm guessing that the examples that you gave are probably false.

The challenge that I have is not that Indians spend their money at Curie, but that it appears that no one else does. And when you combine that with the ethically (but not legally) questionable actions that Curie took with respect to the TJ admissions process, it's not too difficult to construct a narrative where its purpose is only to serve the Indian community.

I think we're getting off track. The question isn't really "Should Curie provide a service to a specific community?"

The question is "Should TJ, a public educational institution, situate itself so that it serves predominantly those who can afford a service such as the one Curie provides?"

If students of any background want to spend their time memorizing tests, that's their right and Curie can continue to provide that service. But TJ doesn't have to reward that particular hobby in its admissions process.

You seem to be quite knowledgeable about Indian community and their preference to enroll in Curie. Interesting!

FCPS reputation appears to be dependent on rewarding and recognizing hard working Asian American students. Just go through the names of students across all schools, not just TJ, in this list, one can see the extent to which FCPS values listing asian american student names as a measure of success:

https://www.fcps.edu/news/264-fcps-students-named-2024-national-merit-semifinalists

What's ironic is the same FCPS is filled with a racist board that has openly attempted to "limit the number of asian american students" from pursuing their stem interests.

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Anonymous wrote:Who is the Asian that was discriminated against?

The only named plaintiff parent in the Coalition for TJ who was actually Asian was the mother of two TJ students at the time that the case was taken up. One of those two students had been admitted by the old process, and the other had been admitted by the new process. She was nominally listed in the case on behalf of her third child, who has since ALSO been admitted by the new process.

The other named plaintiff is very publicly a current candidate for the School Board. Go figure.

Makes you think.

That’s pathetic. Those parents and the Pacific Legal Foundation ought to be ashamed of themselves.

They are fighting racism. Jane Doe of Roe v. Wade didn’t drop her case after her baby was born.

They're fighting to institutionalize racism. If one policy is inclusive and the other is exclusive, and you're fighting for the one that is exclusive, you're the racist.

It is not exclusive.

It is manifestly exclusive. Less than 1% of incoming TJ classes for decades have come from economically disadvantaged families and there had not been enough Black students at TJ under the prior admissions process to fill a single graduating class after 33 years.

That is the definition of exclusive, if not de jure, then certainly de facto. And what the PLF is currently trying to convince the federal courts of is that the new admissions process engages in de facto discrimination against Asian students, when the evidence for such is FAR less clear than the obvious evidence of de facto segregation/discrimination under the previous process.

SO. MUCH. THIS.

If the operative term here is going to be “disparate impact”, there is approximately a thousand times more evidence to convict the prior admissions process of DI against poor kids and Black/Hispanic kids than there is with which to accuse the current admissions process of DI against Asians.

If you can’t do the math on that one, your claims of Asian supremacy are even more unfounded than I previously thought.

No one is claiming Asian supremacy. Only you people cry about "your kind" lives matter.
Don't always blame the system when you can not compete. You don't need a lot of money to get high score on exams like PSAT. Just grab a couple barron's PSAT books and study them.

More than anything, standardized exams measure test taking ability.

Test taking ability is not a translatable skill in any field beyond academic admissions processes.

So why in the world do we continue to emphasize them as some kind of measuring stick of ability when their utility can be so easily compromised through buying expensive prep materials?

Although it is not perfect, standardized exam is the most reliable and objective measurement tool that we have.
What is "test taking ability"? You need to master the subject materials well in order to get a good score.
"expensive prep materials"? Really, $15 a piece. I guess, driving a fancy car has more priority.

In short, stop playing victimhood on everything.

If $15 prep books were adequate to prepare kids for the old TJ admissions exams, you wouldn’t have had parents spending thousands of dollars on what Curie was offering.

In short, stop intentionally burying your head in the sand and engage with reality.

What is Curie? Marie Curie, the twice Nobel prize winner?

Curie is the TJ student factory that wealthy Indian families use to ensure their offspring have the best chance at admission

Fixed it for you. Curie is virtually 100% Indian, but not all of the families availing themselves of their services are wealthy.

What's the point here? Beyond Hoops basketball academy is all Black. Wolfe Ice Hockey is all White. If Indians choose to spend their bottom dollars at Curie, it's their choice.

It appears that you may have had prior experiences or concerns related to Curie and the Indian community, leading you to harbor grudge towards Asian Indians. Consider seeking advice from a mental health professional. Racism can be cured, at the least addressing the root cause of your hate can help promote understanding and overcome any biases and prejudices. Get help.

Amusing. I'd invite you and your people to do the same regarding Black folks. And I'm guessing that the examples that you gave are probably false.

The challenge that I have is not that Indians spend their money at Curie, but that it appears that no one else does. And when you combine that with the ethically (but not legally) questionable actions that Curie took with respect to the TJ admissions process, it's not too difficult to construct a narrative where its purpose is only to serve the Indian community.

Curie, AoPs, Kumon, and others are following the path similar to what Barrons, Princeton Review, Kaplan, McGraw Hill, and others have been doing by publishing review materials and practice tests for AP Exams. This study material is accessible to all, whether through standard textbooks or these more organized preparation materials. It is ethical to prepare from subject books that are widely accessible. It is called studying. The key distinguishing factor lies in the student's commitment to the effort required and the support provided by their family.

What distinguished Curie's actions from those of the other companies you're describing is that they prepared materials for the Quant-Q exam, which TJ Admissions selected in large part because it was meant to be secured. Everyone who sees that exam signs a statement affirming that they will not share anything regarding its contents to anyone, but at least one kid who took the exam broke that statement and revealed the contents of the exam they took to the folks at Curie.

That's how students who took future iterations of the exam reported that they had seen the exact versions of some longform word problems in their Curie classes before taking the exam suite for admissions to the classes of 2023 and 2024 - because, as with most exam companies, different forms of the Quant-Q will reuse questions from other forms used previously. So while the Curie kids didn't see the WHOLE exam, they had seen a few of the questions and, more importantly, had been taught strategies for how to solve problems on an exam whose entire purpose is to test your ability to solve problems or types you've never seen before.

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Anonymous wrote:Who is the Asian that was discriminated against?

The only named plaintiff parent in the Coalition for TJ who was actually Asian was the mother of two TJ students at the time that the case was taken up. One of those two students had been admitted by the old process, and the other had been admitted by the new process. She was nominally listed in the case on behalf of her third child, who has since ALSO been admitted by the new process.

The other named plaintiff is very publicly a current candidate for the School Board. Go figure.

Makes you think.

That’s pathetic. Those parents and the Pacific Legal Foundation ought to be ashamed of themselves.

They are fighting racism. Jane Doe of Roe v. Wade didn’t drop her case after her baby was born.

They're fighting to institutionalize racism. If one policy is inclusive and the other is exclusive, and you're fighting for the one that is exclusive, you're the racist.

It is not exclusive.

It is manifestly exclusive. Less than 1% of incoming TJ classes for decades have come from economically disadvantaged families and there had not been enough Black students at TJ under the prior admissions process to fill a single graduating class after 33 years.

That is the definition of exclusive, if not de jure, then certainly de facto. And what the PLF is currently trying to convince the federal courts of is that the new admissions process engages in de facto discrimination against Asian students, when the evidence for such is FAR less clear than the obvious evidence of de facto segregation/discrimination under the previous process.

SO. MUCH. THIS.

If the operative term here is going to be “disparate impact”, there is approximately a thousand times more evidence to convict the prior admissions process of DI against poor kids and Black/Hispanic kids than there is with which to accuse the current admissions process of DI against Asians.

If you can’t do the math on that one, your claims of Asian supremacy are even more unfounded than I previously thought.

No one is claiming Asian supremacy. Only you people cry about "your kind" lives matter.
Don't always blame the system when you can not compete. You don't need a lot of money to get high score on exams like PSAT. Just grab a couple barron's PSAT books and study them.

More than anything, standardized exams measure test taking ability.

Test taking ability is not a translatable skill in any field beyond academic admissions processes.

So why in the world do we continue to emphasize them as some kind of measuring stick of ability when their utility can be so easily compromised through buying expensive prep materials?

Although it is not perfect, standardized exam is the most reliable and objective measurement tool that we have.
What is "test taking ability"? You need to master the subject materials well in order to get a good score.
"expensive prep materials"? Really, $15 a piece. I guess, driving a fancy car has more priority.

In short, stop playing victimhood on everything.

If $15 prep books were adequate to prepare kids for the old TJ admissions exams, you wouldn’t have had parents spending thousands of dollars on what Curie was offering.

In short, stop intentionally burying your head in the sand and engage with reality.

What is Curie? Marie Curie, the twice Nobel prize winner?

Curie is the TJ student factory that wealthy Indian families use to ensure their offspring have the best chance at admission

Fixed it for you. Curie is virtually 100% Indian, but not all of the families availing themselves of their services are wealthy.

What's the point here? Beyond Hoops basketball academy is all Black. Wolfe Ice Hockey is all White. If Indians choose to spend their bottom dollars at Curie, it's their choice.

It appears that you may have had prior experiences or concerns related to Curie and the Indian community, leading you to harbor grudge towards Asian Indians. Consider seeking advice from a mental health professional. Racism can be cured, at the least addressing the root cause of your hate can help promote understanding and overcome any biases and prejudices. Get help.

Amusing. I'd invite you and your people to do the same regarding Black folks. And I'm guessing that the examples that you gave are probably false.

The challenge that I have is not that Indians spend their money at Curie, but that it appears that no one else does. And when you combine that with the ethically (but not legally) questionable actions that Curie took with respect to the TJ admissions process, it's not too difficult to construct a narrative where its purpose is only to serve the Indian community.

Curie, AoPs, Kumon, and others are following the path similar to what Barrons, Princeton Review, Kaplan, McGraw Hill, and others have been doing by publishing review materials and practice tests for AP Exams. This study material is accessible to all, whether through standard textbooks or these more organized preparation materials. It is ethical to prepare from subject books that are widely accessible. It is called studying. The key distinguishing factor lies in the student's commitment to the effort required and the support provided by their family.

What distinguished Curie's actions from those of the other companies you're describing is that they prepared materials for the Quant-Q exam, which TJ Admissions selected in large part because it was meant to be secured. Everyone who sees that exam signs a statement affirming that they will not share anything regarding its contents to anyone, but at least one kid who took the exam broke that statement and revealed the contents of the exam they took to the folks at Curie.

That's how students who took future iterations of the exam reported that they had seen the exact versions of some longform word problems in their Curie classes before taking the exam suite for admissions to the classes of 2023 and 2024 - because, as with most exam companies, different forms of the Quant-Q will reuse questions from other forms used previously. So while the Curie kids didn't see the WHOLE exam, they had seen a few of the questions and, more importantly, had been taught strategies for how to solve problems on an exam whose entire purpose is to test your ability to solve problems or types you've never seen before.

It is common for students to engage in discussions about the difficulty of exams, their content, and even share questions they remember. If companies like Barrons, Princeton Review, or Curie utilize this feedback to enhance and refine their study materials, it only serves to make those materials more relevant for exam preparation. In fact, the College Board annually releases past free response questions for every subject, which all study preparation and tutoring companies use to improve their materials. However, despite access to these past year questions, some students excel while a significant others struggle to score the bare minimum. The key differentiators are a student's commitment and the support they receive from their family.

If a company like Barrons produces AP exam prep materials that don't contribute to a student's success, why would anyone choose their materials? The same principle applies to Curie; they likely aim for their preparation materials to surpass the rigor of the TJ curriculum or any advanced FCPS curriculum. It's not surprising that the top quarter of the TJ class is better prepared to handle TJ curriculum demands, and it wouldn't be a surprise if Curie students comprise a significant portion of that segment.

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Anonymous wrote:Who is the Asian that was discriminated against?

The only named plaintiff parent in the Coalition for TJ who was actually Asian was the mother of two TJ students at the time that the case was taken up. One of those two students had been admitted by the old process, and the other had been admitted by the new process. She was nominally listed in the case on behalf of her third child, who has since ALSO been admitted by the new process.

The other named plaintiff is very publicly a current candidate for the School Board. Go figure.

Makes you think.

That’s pathetic. Those parents and the Pacific Legal Foundation ought to be ashamed of themselves.

They are fighting racism. Jane Doe of Roe v. Wade didn’t drop her case after her baby was born.

They're fighting to institutionalize racism. If one policy is inclusive and the other is exclusive, and you're fighting for the one that is exclusive, you're the racist.

It is not exclusive.

It is manifestly exclusive. Less than 1% of incoming TJ classes for decades have come from economically disadvantaged families and there had not been enough Black students at TJ under the prior admissions process to fill a single graduating class after 33 years.

That is the definition of exclusive, if not de jure, then certainly de facto. And what the PLF is currently trying to convince the federal courts of is that the new admissions process engages in de facto discrimination against Asian students, when the evidence for such is FAR less clear than the obvious evidence of de facto segregation/discrimination under the previous process.

SO. MUCH. THIS.

If the operative term here is going to be “disparate impact”, there is approximately a thousand times more evidence to convict the prior admissions process of DI against poor kids and Black/Hispanic kids than there is with which to accuse the current admissions process of DI against Asians.

If you can’t do the math on that one, your claims of Asian supremacy are even more unfounded than I previously thought.

No one is claiming Asian supremacy. Only you people cry about "your kind" lives matter.
Don't always blame the system when you can not compete. You don't need a lot of money to get high score on exams like PSAT. Just grab a couple barron's PSAT books and study them.

More than anything, standardized exams measure test taking ability.

Test taking ability is not a translatable skill in any field beyond academic admissions processes.

So why in the world do we continue to emphasize them as some kind of measuring stick of ability when their utility can be so easily compromised through buying expensive prep materials?

Although it is not perfect, standardized exam is the most reliable and objective measurement tool that we have.
What is "test taking ability"? You need to master the subject materials well in order to get a good score.
"expensive prep materials"? Really, $15 a piece. I guess, driving a fancy car has more priority.

In short, stop playing victimhood on everything.

If $15 prep books were adequate to prepare kids for the old TJ admissions exams, you wouldn’t have had parents spending thousands of dollars on what Curie was offering.

In short, stop intentionally burying your head in the sand and engage with reality.

What is Curie? Marie Curie, the twice Nobel prize winner?

Curie is the TJ student factory that wealthy Indian families use to ensure their offspring have the best chance at admission

Fixed it for you. Curie is virtually 100% Indian, but not all of the families availing themselves of their services are wealthy.

What's the point here? Beyond Hoops basketball academy is all Black. Wolfe Ice Hockey is all White. If Indians choose to spend their bottom dollars at Curie, it's their choice.

It appears that you may have had prior experiences or concerns related to Curie and the Indian community, leading you to harbor grudge towards Asian Indians. Consider seeking advice from a mental health professional. Racism can be cured, at the least addressing the root cause of your hate can help promote understanding and overcome any biases and prejudices. Get help.

Amusing. I'd invite you and your people to do the same regarding Black folks. And I'm guessing that the examples that you gave are probably false.

The challenge that I have is not that Indians spend their money at Curie, but that it appears that no one else does. And when you combine that with the ethically (but not legally) questionable actions that Curie took with respect to the TJ admissions process, it's not too difficult to construct a narrative where its purpose is only to serve the Indian community.

Curie, AoPs, Kumon, and others are following the path similar to what Barrons, Princeton Review, Kaplan, McGraw Hill, and others have been doing by publishing review materials and practice tests for AP Exams. This study material is accessible to all, whether through standard textbooks or these more organized preparation materials. It is ethical to prepare from subject books that are widely accessible. It is called studying. The key distinguishing factor lies in the student's commitment to the effort required and the support provided by their family.

What distinguished Curie's actions from those of the other companies you're describing is that they prepared materials for the Quant-Q exam, which TJ Admissions selected in large part because it was meant to be secured. Everyone who sees that exam signs a statement affirming that they will not share anything regarding its contents to anyone, but at least one kid who took the exam broke that statement and revealed the contents of the exam they took to the folks at Curie.

That's how students who took future iterations of the exam reported that they had seen the exact versions of some longform word problems in their Curie classes before taking the exam suite for admissions to the classes of 2023 and 2024 - because, as with most exam companies, different forms of the Quant-Q will reuse questions from other forms used previously. So while the Curie kids didn't see the WHOLE exam, they had seen a few of the questions and, more importantly, had been taught strategies for how to solve problems on an exam whose entire purpose is to test your ability to solve problems or types you've never seen before.

It is common for students to engage in discussions about the difficulty of exams, their content, and even share questions they remember. If companies like Barrons, Princeton Review, or Curie utilize this feedback to enhance and refine their study materials, it only serves to make those materials more relevant for exam preparation. In fact, the College Board annually releases past free response questions for every subject, which all study preparation and tutoring companies use to improve their materials. However, despite access to these past year questions, some students excel while a significant others struggle to score the bare minimum. The key differentiators are a student's commitment and the support they receive from their family.

If a company like Barrons produces AP exam prep materials that don't contribute to a student's success, why would anyone choose their materials? The same principle applies to Curie; they likely aim for their preparation materials to surpass the rigor of the TJ curriculum or any advanced FCPS curriculum. It's not surprising that the top quarter of the TJ class is better prepared to handle TJ curriculum demands, and it wouldn't be a surprise if Curie students comprise a significant portion of that segment.

1) The students signed an agreement not to discuss the exam and its contents. It doesn’t matter how common doing so may or may not be - the moment they do it they’re in violation of the agreement that they signed and they’re creating imbalances in the admissions process. And likely doing so intentionally.

2) A lot of people want to paint a picture of the studious child alone in their room poring over exam prep materials to get themselves ready for AP exams or SAT/ACT. While this is undoubtedly true of a small number of students, it’s far, FAR more common in this area for students to be involved in expensive prep classes for these very same exams. This creates imbalances in admissions processes based not around student effort or ability but around parental resources and motivation.

(White students are the biggest beneficiaries of this, btw, and would be much more successful in TJ admissions if their parents wanted to send them to TJ.)

3) Why do we just accept that differences in parental resources and motivation should account for differences in admissions outcomes? My guess is because it makes you feel better about yourself to take credit for your kid’s wins. And perhaps more importantly, because it allows you to feel superior to others.

But isn’t it a million times more impressive for a kid to accomplish, say, 80-90 percent of what your kid did with limited parental support? If I had to bet on that other kid or your kid for who is going to contribute more to society, I’d bet on the other kid and if you have any brains at all, so would you.