HBO The Undoing

[Anonymous]

Really lame. Fill the series with red herrings to make it look like a complex story when it’s anything but. Oh well, it had us speculating for a few weeks.

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Anonymous wrote:The ending felt a little forced. I think there should have been some subtle indications throughout the series to have the reveal make sense.

Seriously? This was the most obvious ending. I legit texted my friend and said that the occum's razor explanation is that J freaked out that elena was cozying up to G and killed her to keep his family from finding out. That's the obvious answer. All other answers would be elaborate and contrived.

[Anonymous]

I guessed Nicole was going to do exactly what she did when in the room with lawyer and Jonathon prior to taking the stand. I knew at that point she was going to make sure he was found guilty.

She got her blonde friend involved. They led the prosecution to the conclusion. There was the episode the first day of trial where the lawyer friend waved at the prosecution attorney which was weird. Then the exchange in the bathroom. She fed the prosecuting attorney the info about the call with Jonathon’s mother and the narcissist discussion she had with Grace.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Really lame. Fill the series with red herrings to make it look like a complex story when it’s anything but. Oh well, it had us speculating for a few weeks.

It’s a story as old as time. Narcissist uses mistress for sex when she pushes for real commitment he bails...and in truly psycho cases will kill her to keep secret from getting out. As soon as the AP starts threatening or getting close to the guy’s family she’s history. The guy just wants a play thing, but doesn’t want to give up wife and kids. Mistress is never if the same social/intellectual standing as wife.

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Anonymous wrote:Really lame. Fill the series with red herrings to make it look like a complex story when it’s anything but. Oh well, it had us speculating for a few weeks.

It’s a story as old as time. Narcissist uses mistress for sex when she pushes for real commitment he bails...and in truly psycho cases will kill her to keep secret from getting out. As soon as the AP starts threatening or getting close to the guy’s family she’s history. The guy just wants a play thing, but doesn’t want to give up wife and kids. Mistress is never if the same social/intellectual standing as wife.

Elena was delusional. Unstable. Just as crazy as Jonathon.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Really lame. Fill the series with red herrings to make it look like a complex story when it’s anything but. Oh well, it had us speculating for a few weeks.

It’s a story as old as time. Narcissist uses mistress for sex when she pushes for real commitment he bails...and in truly psycho cases will kill her to keep secret from getting out. As soon as the AP starts threatening or getting close to the guy’s family she’s history. The guy just wants a play thing, but doesn’t want to give up wife and kids. Mistress is never if the same social/intellectual standing as wife.

Elena was delusional. Unstable. Just as crazy as Jonathon.

Yes, it bothered me that they didn’t tie up those loose ends more. Why was Elena stalking grace, and appearing naked before her in the gym? Kissing her? Why didn’t grave reveal that to the cops? Why didn’t the show clear up any of the points that made us look twice at everyone else as a possible suspect.

[Anonymous]

I'm confused - when did Grace turn on Jonathan?? She seemed to believe him for a while.

[Anonymous]

What was the favor Nicole asked of her blond friend?

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Anonymous wrote:Really lame. Fill the series with red herrings to make it look like a complex story when it’s anything but. Oh well, it had us speculating for a few weeks.

It’s a story as old as time. Narcissist uses mistress for sex when she pushes for real commitment he bails...and in truly psycho cases will kill her to keep secret from getting out. As soon as the AP starts threatening or getting close to the guy’s family she’s history. The guy just wants a play thing, but doesn’t want to give up wife and kids. Mistress is never if the same social/intellectual standing as wife.

Elena was delusional. Unstable. Just as crazy as Jonathon.

I thought Elena was the most realistically written character. I knew a few “other woman” types when I was younger who fixated on the wife, tried to be more like her, tried to insinuate themselves in some way in her life, and were really miserable because they knew that the man in the middle would always prioritize and protect the wife.

I did NOT find Jonathan’s ultimate portrayal realistic at all. He found it so easy to casually bash Elena’s head against the wall. But Grace never saw this abusive side of him? They were married for 15+ years (and happily raising a son together), yet the psychologist didn’t realize that her husband was a socio and/or psychopath? Give me a break.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Really lame. Fill the series with red herrings to make it look like a complex story when it’s anything but. Oh well, it had us speculating for a few weeks.

That’s the whole point with narcissists, though. The crazy-making/gas-lighting behavior. Grace’s character thought she was too savvy to fall for that (it’s much clearer in the book), but she really overlooked a whole lot of clues that everyone (her father, her best friend) could see. And I think until he was willing to throw their kid under the bus, she was willing to continue to overlook it.

I disliked Hugh Grant in the role, because it seemed way too dopey “I’m just a guy, standing in front of a jury, asking them to not convict me” ala Notting Hill and Four Weddings — and he’s about 25 years to old for that to be charming, but I can see now how that fits in with his character — although, I’m still not convinced he was the best choice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm confused - when did Grace turn on Jonathan?? She seemed to believe him for a while.

When he was willing to throw their kid under the bus. Even if she thought Jonathan was innocent, I can’t imagine any non-sociopathic/narcissistic parent would want their 12 year old to be accused of murder if they could take the blame instead.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm confused - when did Grace turn on Jonathan?? She seemed to believe him for a while.

I think that she didn’t want Henry to see her be the one to do Jonathan in. As the trial was reaching its conclusion, however, it looked like he might get off and she decided that she had to stealthily do something about it.

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Anonymous wrote:What was the favor Nicole asked of her blond friend?

To tell the prosecutor what to ask her during cross.

[Anonymous]

The pediatric oncology profession seemed like a stretch for a narcissistic sociopath. Better a financier or investment guru.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm confused - when did Grace turn on Jonathan?? She seemed to believe him for a while.

Not.at.all. I never got the feeling she ever truly believed he wasn’t guilty...after finding the hammer even less so.

Even the defense attorney called her out as ambivalent when she asked to be put on the stand. I found her unconvincing in her plea that she believed he was innocent and even Jonathon seemed surprised and expressed too much joy/relief and hugged her. It was at that moment I knew she was going to use the stand to convict him.

When she called her friend morning of trial for a favor and wanted to meet for a walk...I knew there was some colluding happening. She’s the only one that knew the details and words of the phone call with Jonathan’s mother and obviously told her friend the prosecutor...who in episode 2 she openly waved to in opening day of the trial.