Women Videotapes Man Banging on Her Seat After She Reclines -Who's Right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:He was eating food on his tray and asked her to raise her seat up. She did. When he finished eating, she reclined her seat again. He got aggravated and at some point the flight attendant came over talked to the two of them and offered HIM a free drink. The lady remained reclined in her seat and when he started to drum on her seat that's when she started to video tape him. He kept drumming on her seat for a good part of the rest of the flight it looked like.

They both behaved like jackazzes.

She claimed he punched the back of her seat several times with a lot of force. Once she started recording he switched to the drumming which is what the video shows.

I do lot understand why planes do not have security cameras on them. Seems it would stop so much of the he said she said.

His reaction was over the top but her unwillingness to rectify the situation by moving her seat up was also over the top. There is no "victim" here. They both behaved liked jerks and deserve absolutely nothing from the airline. I hope they get nothing.

How exactly did she behave like a jerk? By using a seat feature that she has every right to use?! And if the person in front of her also reclined his seat, which is most probable, would you advise her to bang their seat until they also sit in straight position? How is he more entitled to space than she is? I’ve been in his shoes where I had to sit on a non reclining seat on a transatlantic flight and it didn’t occur to me to force the person in front to not recline their seat. And yes, I had less space than others, but I didn’t feel that this gave me the right to make the whole 47 seats in front of me sit straight.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He was eating food on his tray and asked her to raise her seat up. She did. When he finished eating, she reclined her seat again. He got aggravated and at some point the flight attendant came over talked to the two of them and offered HIM a free drink. The lady remained reclined in her seat and when he started to drum on her seat that's when she started to video tape him. He kept drumming on her seat for a good part of the rest of the flight it looked like.

They both behaved like jackazzes.

She claimed he punched the back of her seat several times with a lot of force. Once she started recording he switched to the drumming which is what the video shows.

I do lot understand why planes do not have security cameras on them. Seems it would stop so much of the he said she said.

His reaction was over the top but her unwillingness to rectify the situation by moving her seat up was also over the top. There is no "victim" here. They both behaved liked jerks and deserve absolutely nothing from the airline. I hope they get nothing.

How exactly did she behave like a jerk? By using a seat feature that she has every right to use?! And if the person in front of her also reclined his seat, which is most probable, would you advise her to bang their seat until they also sit in straight position? How is he more entitled to space than she is? I’ve been in his shoes where I had to sit on a non reclining seat on a transatlantic flight and it didn’t occur to me to force the person in front to not recline their seat. And yes, I had less space than others, but I didn’t feel that this gave me the right to make the whole 47 seats in front of me sit straight.

+1

Man is an entitled douchebag.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He was eating food on his tray and asked her to raise her seat up. She did. When he finished eating, she reclined her seat again. He got aggravated and at some point the flight attendant came over talked to the two of them and offered HIM a free drink. The lady remained reclined in her seat and when he started to drum on her seat that's when she started to video tape him. He kept drumming on her seat for a good part of the rest of the flight it looked like.

They both behaved like jackazzes.

She claimed he punched the back of her seat several times with a lot of force. Once she started recording he switched to the drumming which is what the video shows.

I do lot understand why planes do not have security cameras on them. Seems it would stop so much of the he said she said.

His reaction was over the top but her unwillingness to rectify the situation by moving her seat up was also over the top. There is no "victim" here. They both behaved liked jerks and deserve absolutely nothing from the airline. I hope they get nothing.

How exactly did she behave like a jerk? By using a seat feature that she has every right to use?! And if the person in front of her also reclined his seat, which is most probable, would you advise her to bang their seat until they also sit in straight position? How is he more entitled to space than she is? I’ve been in his shoes where I had to sit on a non reclining seat on a transatlantic flight and it didn’t occur to me to force the person in front to not recline their seat. And yes, I had less space than others, but I didn’t feel that this gave me the right to make the whole 47 seats in front of me sit straight.

She was a jerk because he had asked her previously to put her seat up because he was too cramped to eat the food on his tray and she raised her seat while he ate. As soon as he finished eating she put her seat back down, he objected again and she ignored him. The flight attendant came over and this lady refused to raise her seat even a little bit to give the guy behind her some more breathing room.

The whole thing was absolutely ridiculous. I find both of these passengers to be at fault.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He was eating food on his tray and asked her to raise her seat up. She did. When he finished eating, she reclined her seat again. He got aggravated and at some point the flight attendant came over talked to the two of them and offered HIM a free drink. The lady remained reclined in her seat and when he started to drum on her seat that's when she started to video tape him. He kept drumming on her seat for a good part of the rest of the flight it looked like.

They both behaved like jackazzes.

She claimed he punched the back of her seat several times with a lot of force. Once she started recording he switched to the drumming which is what the video shows.

I do lot understand why planes do not have security cameras on them. Seems it would stop so much of the he said she said.

His reaction was over the top but her unwillingness to rectify the situation by moving her seat up was also over the top. There is no "victim" here. They both behaved liked jerks and deserve absolutely nothing from the airline. I hope they get nothing.

How exactly did she behave like a jerk? By using a seat feature that she has every right to use?! And if the person in front of her also reclined his seat, which is most probable, would you advise her to bang their seat until they also sit in straight position? How is he more entitled to space than she is? I’ve been in his shoes where I had to sit on a non reclining seat on a transatlantic flight and it didn’t occur to me to force the person in front to not recline their seat. And yes, I had less space than others, but I didn’t feel that this gave me the right to make the whole 47 seats in front of me sit straight.

She was a jerk because he had asked her previously to put her seat up because he was too cramped to eat the food on his tray and she raised her seat while he ate. As soon as he finished eating she put her seat back down, he objected again and she ignored him. The flight attendant came over and this lady refused to raise her seat even a little bit to give the guy behind her some more breathing room.

The whole thing was absolutely ridiculous. I find both of these passengers to be at fault.

She accommodated him for the meal. Why should she continue to not recline her seat after he finished his meal? So he could put his iPad on it? So him watching the iPad trumps her need for space? And if the seat in front of her was free and there was no one reclined in it, why didn’t he just switch seats? Most probably because it was taken and because the person also reclined in it. Again, his issue is with the airline, and not with the woman! Why didn’t the captain make an announcement and ask all C seats to straighten their seats - so that me entitled can watch his iPad on an open tray. Because he was looking for someone to pick on and she was just in front of him and weaker looking. He is a BULLY!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I found out about 10 years ago on facebook that there are very clearly two camps of people - those that feel a seat should NEVER be reclined, and those that can't imagine NOT reclining their seats. It seems to split partially along lines of height. Men over 6 feet appear to believe it is against the law to recline seats because it "hits their knees" and people under 6 feet typically believe seats that are not reclined are too hard on your back (which is true).

My position is that seats are extremely uncomfortable and reclining them makes it slightly better. I have some shoulder tendon problems that reclining makes better. It is a feature of the seat that I'm paying for, and I should be able to recline it. What the anti-recliner folks seem to not realize is that if seats did NOT recline, the airlines would just pack the seats another inch or two closer together and they would just lose the legroom they feel entitled to, because it is just an artificial byproduct of the fact that reclining seats require an extra coupe of inches in between.

If you truly can't fit in a seat, either widthwise because you are too fat or lengthwise because you are too tall, then you should purchase an economy plus or business class seat. When I want more space or fly on a long flight, I fly business. It should not be my job to accommodate you by neglecting to use a feature that I purchased just because you do not fit in your own seat.

Good summary, I agree.

[Anonymous]

They should remove the recline feature. Too many a-holes use it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:When she alerted the stewardess about the seat punching, the stewardess rolled her eyes and offered HIM a complimentary rum (yeah that'll make him behave better ... ), and gave HER a passenger disturbance notice, and threatened to have her escorted off the plane.
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Wow. The FA also insisted that the woman delete the video, saying it's illegal to video on a plane. WTF?

I'm guessing there's more to this story than we know. Maybe she was antagonizing him the whole flight and the attendant knew about it. Maybe the flight attendant simply asked the woman to not recline since the man was obviously struggling for space in his own seat and the woman disregarded her request. Maybe the woman mostly just reclined to annoy the guy because she didn't like him. The attendant knows more than we do.

Yep.

I agree that the airline's reaction makes me question what exactly happened.

[Anonymous]

I just watched it and not at all what I was expecting given the comments that made it seem he was some over the top asshole. He gently taps and shakes the seat basiclaly to the beat of his music. He is being annoying but not aggressive. His response is immature and unnecessary but this isn't some 'losing it' episode like people are saying.

They seem to have gotten into a dynamic of both wanting to irritate the other.

Who knows what really happened. Maybe she reclined then unreclined her seat repeatedly or did who knows what. I think they both deserved each other

[Anonymous]

Meanwhile, airlines keep their hands clean while passengers fight it out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I just watched it and not at all what I was expecting given the comments that made it seem he was some over the top asshole. He gently taps and shakes the seat basiclaly to the beat of his music. He is being annoying but not aggressive. His response is immature and unnecessary but this isn't some 'losing it' episode like people are saying.

They seem to have gotten into a dynamic of both wanting to irritate the other.

Who knows what really happened. Maybe she reclined then unreclined her seat repeatedly or did who knows what. I think they both deserved each other

He was absolutely being passive aggressive. She had the right to recline and the FA did NOT have the right to tell her not to.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:you noticed how she set up her video ready to tape? i think she set this up to get on the news and may be make money from the airlines. what a bit*h.

You don't know that. Perhaps he was punching before and continued punching after. I highly doubt she planned on forcing him to punch her seat like, "hey watch this I'm going to recline and let's see if the passenger behind me loses his damn mind".

“First I was afraid, I was petrified. Kept thinking he was gonna kill me with those crazy eyes. But I took so many hits and I thought how he did me wrong and grew strong! I learned how to tweet along. He hit my back – so many times so I’ll recline! I will recline! Hey hey!” she wrote.


“It was scary and very painful” she said, claiming she lost time at work, had to receive X-rays and suffered headaches because of the incident.

“I’m in pain. I have 1 cervical disk left that isn’t fused – the first 1 which allows me some mobility. It’s scary bc it’s this the kind of injury that could do it in,” she said.

“I am grateful for the limited movement I still have and shouldn’t have had to endure the repeated blows.”

Seriously? This sounds like "pay me" scheme. She makes it sound like the guy beat the shit of her in a dark alley. She is clearly after money from the airline

Is this quote a joke? Because I read the whole thing singing the Gloria Gaynor song I will survive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Delta CEO says you can recline but you should ask first.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/airline-passengers-should-ask-they-recline-delta-ceo-says-after-n1137351

Delta CEO shouldn't put passengers in this situation in the first place.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just watched it and not at all what I was expecting given the comments that made it seem he was some over the top asshole. He gently taps and shakes the seat basiclaly to the beat of his music. He is being annoying but not aggressive. His response is immature and unnecessary but this isn't some 'losing it' episode like people are saying.

They seem to have gotten into a dynamic of both wanting to irritate the other.

Who knows what really happened. Maybe she reclined then unreclined her seat repeatedly or did who knows what. I think they both deserved each other

He was absolutely being passive aggressive. She had the right to recline and the FA did NOT have the right to tell her not to.

Is that defined in the airline passenger bill of rights?

She needs to obey the FA. Period.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Delta CEO says you can recline but you should ask first.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/airline-passengers-should-ask-they-recline-delta-ceo-says-after-n1137351

Yes, please just remove recline completely so we don't have a-holes like this women starting trouble.


Delta CEO shouldn't put passengers in this situation in the first place.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:There's a middle ground. Recline but only partially. Don't recline if the seat behind you can't recline for some reason, or during mealtimes.

No. The seat reclines. It's a feature. It's not the recliner's fault that the airline crams everyone in. If you don't want someone to recline in front of you, complain to the airline about their design or fly business. Not our fault that the airline made such a crappy design. I don't begrudge people who recline in front of me. I understand the constraints and I either have chosen to accept it or, if not, I fly business or take a train. Train and bus seats also recline and yet there is enough space not to interfere with the other passengers. Airlines need to do better and stop treating their customers like crap.

Right. Why use a modicum of common sense and decency when you can LOUDLY COMPLAIN and get reclining seats taken away from everyone?

When children are fighting over a toy instead of sharing it, you take away the toy. Problem solved.

Bad analogy. This is a paid service. Airlines are taking customers for granted. Anyone remember flying in the 80s? You got meals or a snack on most flights. You could recline comfortably. You could book any seat that you wanted for the same price (just first come, first served). And you didn't have to pay extra for checked bags. The companies are mismanaged, antiquated dinosaurs that pay CEOS bloated salaries. They treat us like crap because if we're all compliant sheep, they don't need to change. For the record, I fly business most times because I fam infuriated by the way economy class passengers are treated. I also try to airlines like JetBlue (or Virgin America when it existed) because they provided more comfort and better customer service. The current major carriers are engaged in a race to the bottom and trying to making us feel grateful for a bag of stale pretzel and 2 inch recline.