Duke vs. UVA (In-State)?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don't forget South Carolina where the kids can get up to a 6.0 in a class for honors-AP-double honors-some nonsense.

PP is correct. This has shifted the irrefutable selectivity ranking as follows:

1) UNC Chapel Hill 4.7
2) Clemson 4.43
3) UVA 4.3
4) UM College Park 4.28
5) South Carolina 4.21
6) Harvard 4.18
7) Stanford 3.95
8) Princeton 3.90

Don't forget Florida!:

1) UNC Chapel Hill 4.7
2) Clemson 4.43
3) Florida 4.42
4) UVA 4.3
5) UM College Park 4.28
6) South Carolina 4.21
7) Harvard 4.18
8) Stanford 3.95
9) Princeton 3.90

The only thing standardized in admissions is standardized test scores, and many schools are trying to scuttle that or go test optional or get around it through loopholes (foreigners not counted, spring admits not counted).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don't forget South Carolina where the kids can get up to a 6.0 in a class for honors-AP-double honors-some nonsense.

PP is correct. This has shifted the irrefutable selectivity ranking as follows:

1) UNC Chapel Hill 4.7
2) Clemson 4.43
3) UVA 4.3
4) UM College Park 4.28
5) South Carolina 4.21
6) Harvard 4.18
7) Stanford 3.95
8) Princeton 3.90

Don't forget Florida!:

1) UNC Chapel Hill 4.7
2) Clemson 4.43
3) Florida 4.42
4) UVA 4.3
5) UM College Park 4.28
6) South Carolina 4.21
7) Harvard 4.18
8) Stanford 3.95
9) Princeton 3.90

The only thing standardized in admissions is standardized test scores, and many schools are trying to scuttle that or go test optional or get around it through loopholes (foreigners not counted, spring admits not counted).

Still, the more accurate stats are posted every fall by the State Higher Education Council of Virginia, has UVA median at a 4.35 and a 4.49 for 75th percentile. If you are unhooked and applying from NoVA, you better be aiming for the top 75th percentile which is 4.49 GPA; 34 ACT or 1500 SAT or higher. These are the scores of actual entering students, not acceptances (which are higher stats because a number of students peel off and go Ivy or SLACs). I know a lot of UVA legacy students who had that 75th percentile package last year and did not get in even as legacies.

GPA: 4.49 (75th percentile); 4.35 median; 4.25 bottom 25th
ACT: 34 (75th percentile); 33 median; 30 bottom 25th
SAT 1500 (75th percentile): 1430 median; 1340 bottom

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don't forget South Carolina where the kids can get up to a 6.0 in a class for honors-AP-double honors-some nonsense.

PP is correct. This has shifted the irrefutable selectivity ranking as follows:

1) UNC Chapel Hill 4.7
2) Clemson 4.43
3) UVA 4.3
4) UM College Park 4.28
5) South Carolina 4.21
6) Harvard 4.18
7) Stanford 3.95
8) Princeton 3.90

Don't forget Florida!:

1) UNC Chapel Hill 4.7
2) Clemson 4.43
3) Florida 4.42
4) UVA 4.3
5) UM College Park 4.28
6) South Carolina 4.21
7) Harvard 4.18
8) Stanford 3.95
9) Princeton 3.90

The only thing standardized in admissions is standardized test scores, and many schools are trying to scuttle that or go test optional or get around it through loopholes (foreigners not counted, spring admits not counted).

Still, the more accurate stats are posted every fall by the State Higher Education Council of Virginia, has UVA median at a 4.35 and a 4.49 for 75th percentile. If you are unhooked and applying from NoVA, you better be aiming for the top 75th percentile which is 4.49 GPA; 34 ACT or 1500 SAT or higher. These are the scores of actual entering students, not acceptances (which are higher stats because a number of students peel off and go Ivy or SLACs). I know a lot of UVA legacy students who had that 75th percentile package last year and did not get in even as legacies.

GPA: 4.49 (75th percentile); 4.35 median; 4.25 bottom 25th
ACT: 34 (75th percentile); 33 median; 30 bottom 25th
SAT 1500 (75th percentile): 1430 median; 1340 bottom

You're spreading misinformation. For one thing, the stats on schev are for in state and out of state combined, and the entering stats for in state only are lower. Second, UVA's admissions blog makes clear that you have to take GPA in context. Schools use different grading systems and the GPA alone also tells you nothing about the actual courses taken.

NOVA kids with much lower SATs and GPAs than the 75th percentile routinely get into UVA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don't forget South Carolina where the kids can get up to a 6.0 in a class for honors-AP-double honors-some nonsense.

PP is correct. This has shifted the irrefutable selectivity ranking as follows:

1) UNC Chapel Hill 4.7
2) Clemson 4.43
3) UVA 4.3
4) UM College Park 4.28
5) South Carolina 4.21
6) Harvard 4.18
7) Stanford 3.95
8) Princeton 3.90

Don't forget Florida!:

1) UNC Chapel Hill 4.7
2) Clemson 4.43
3) Florida 4.42
4) UVA 4.3
5) UM College Park 4.28
6) South Carolina 4.21
7) Harvard 4.18
8) Stanford 3.95
9) Princeton 3.90

The only thing standardized in admissions is standardized test scores, and many schools are trying to scuttle that or go test optional or get around it through loopholes (foreigners not counted, spring admits not counted).

Still, the more accurate stats are posted every fall by the State Higher Education Council of Virginia, has UVA median at a 4.35 and a 4.49 for 75th percentile. If you are unhooked and applying from NoVA, you better be aiming for the top 75th percentile which is 4.49 GPA; 34 ACT or 1500 SAT or higher. These are the scores of actual entering students, not acceptances (which are higher stats because a number of students peel off and go Ivy or SLACs). I know a lot of UVA legacy students who had that 75th percentile package last year and did not get in even as legacies.

GPA: 4.49 (75th percentile); 4.35 median; 4.25 bottom 25th
ACT: 34 (75th percentile); 33 median; 30 bottom 25th
SAT 1500 (75th percentile): 1430 median; 1340 bottom

You're spreading misinformation. For one thing, the stats on schev are for in state and out of state combined, and the entering stats for in state only are lower. Second, UVA's admissions blog makes clear that you have to take GPA in context. Schools use different grading systems and the GPA alone also tells you nothing about the actual courses taken.

NOVA kids with much lower SATs and GPAs than the 75th percentile routinely get into UVA.

1) No I'm not. I know kids who entered UVA with 65 college credits under their belt, a 6.0 and astonishing ECs. Also know legacies who had the 75th percentile stats and didn't get in. They went to W&M. I know Ivy-selected kids who went to UVA because their parents couldn't afford $80K a year.
2) Yes they include all but the 25th percentile is usually the low-income (big push for that under the new Dean); first-generation (another big push for that); Blueridge Scholars; Questbridge; athletes; special instruments; URMs; some legacies who gave big bucks (article in WaPo about that a few years back) basketball players of course; the odd person applying from South Dakota so they hit all 50 states and 100+ countries, etc.
3) Do not believe Dean J. She's a marketer. That's why she has the nice dogs. Their job is to get kids to apply so they can be rejected. She will say anything to get the kids to apply. So she will deny that it is top 5-10% of the class, etc. etc. etc. to get your kid to apply. A better read is College Confidential results for a particular class - read closely at the astonishing credentials some of those students have who are denied. Or Reddit.
4) Schools do use different grading systems but each high school counselor sends a profile of each class with an indication of highest courses offered, no. of kids in highest courses, highest GPA, number of kids in class. It takes a UVA grader five seconds to figure out if your kid is in the top 10% of the class. 94% of last year's class was in the top ten percent. This is how UVA knows exactly where your child stands in relationshiop to other applicants from your high school. It doesn't hurt that your high school counselor writes his own letter of recommendation to Virginia Schools. And he or she checks off a box to indicate if your child has taken the most rigorous courses. This is why UVA's selectivity percentage is high vis-a-vis privates - the candidates to Virginia schools are self-selecting and guided by the high school counselor. The high school counselor isn't going to help your B+ student get into UVA but will try to route them to another Virginia institution. It hurts their reputation to do otherwise.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don't forget South Carolina where the kids can get up to a 6.0 in a class for honors-AP-double honors-some nonsense.

PP is correct. This has shifted the irrefutable selectivity ranking as follows:

1) UNC Chapel Hill 4.7
2) Clemson 4.43
3) UVA 4.3
4) UM College Park 4.28
5) South Carolina 4.21
6) Harvard 4.18
7) Stanford 3.95
8) Princeton 3.90

Don't forget Florida!:

1) UNC Chapel Hill 4.7
2) Clemson 4.43
3) Florida 4.42
4) UVA 4.3
5) UM College Park 4.28
6) South Carolina 4.21
7) Harvard 4.18
8) Stanford 3.95
9) Princeton 3.90

The only thing standardized in admissions is standardized test scores, and many schools are trying to scuttle that or go test optional or get around it through loopholes (foreigners not counted, spring admits not counted).

Still, the more accurate stats are posted every fall by the State Higher Education Council of Virginia, has UVA median at a 4.35 and a 4.49 for 75th percentile. If you are unhooked and applying from NoVA, you better be aiming for the top 75th percentile which is 4.49 GPA; 34 ACT or 1500 SAT or higher. These are the scores of actual entering students, not acceptances (which are higher stats because a number of students peel off and go Ivy or SLACs). I know a lot of UVA legacy students who had that 75th percentile package last year and did not get in even as legacies.

GPA: 4.49 (75th percentile); 4.35 median; 4.25 bottom 25th
ACT: 34 (75th percentile); 33 median; 30 bottom 25th
SAT 1500 (75th percentile): 1430 median; 1340 bottom

You're spreading misinformation. For one thing, the stats on schev are for in state and out of state combined, and the entering stats for in state only are lower. Second, UVA's admissions blog makes clear that you have to take GPA in context. Schools use different grading systems and the GPA alone also tells you nothing about the actual courses taken.

NOVA kids with much lower SATs and GPAs than the 75th percentile routinely get into UVA.

Oh my God, THE SCHEV LADY. I really feel like she has an alert set up where any time a phrase including the words "average UVA GPA" (GMU as well) is posted on DCUM she gets an email or phone alert letting her know that she MUST post her "The SCHEV indicates that the 25/50/75th percentile at UVA is blah blah blah" speech - and she is completely incapable of seeing any of those numbers in context or with any sort of nuance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don't forget South Carolina where the kids can get up to a 6.0 in a class for honors-AP-double honors-some nonsense.

PP is correct. This has shifted the irrefutable selectivity ranking as follows:

1) UNC Chapel Hill 4.7
2) Clemson 4.43
3) UVA 4.3
4) UM College Park 4.28
5) South Carolina 4.21
6) Harvard 4.18
7) Stanford 3.95
8) Princeton 3.90

Don't forget Florida!:

1) UNC Chapel Hill 4.7
2) Clemson 4.43
3) Florida 4.42
4) UVA 4.3
5) UM College Park 4.28
6) South Carolina 4.21
7) Harvard 4.18
8) Stanford 3.95
9) Princeton 3.90

The only thing standardized in admissions is standardized test scores, and many schools are trying to scuttle that or go test optional or get around it through loopholes (foreigners not counted, spring admits not counted).

Still, the more accurate stats are posted every fall by the State Higher Education Council of Virginia, has UVA median at a 4.35 and a 4.49 for 75th percentile. If you are unhooked and applying from NoVA, you better be aiming for the top 75th percentile which is 4.49 GPA; 34 ACT or 1500 SAT or higher. These are the scores of actual entering students, not acceptances (which are higher stats because a number of students peel off and go Ivy or SLACs). I know a lot of UVA legacy students who had that 75th percentile package last year and did not get in even as legacies.

GPA: 4.49 (75th percentile); 4.35 median; 4.25 bottom 25th
ACT: 34 (75th percentile); 33 median; 30 bottom 25th
SAT 1500 (75th percentile): 1430 median; 1340 bottom

You're spreading misinformation. For one thing, the stats on schev are for in state and out of state combined, and the entering stats for in state only are lower. Second, UVA's admissions blog makes clear that you have to take GPA in context. Schools use different grading systems and the GPA alone also tells you nothing about the actual courses taken.

NOVA kids with much lower SATs and GPAs than the 75th percentile routinely get into UVA.

1) No I'm not. I know kids who entered UVA with 65 college credits under their belt, a 6.0 and astonishing ECs. Also know legacies who had the 75th percentile stats and didn't get in. They went to W&M. I know Ivy-selected kids who went to UVA because their parents couldn't afford $80K a year.
2) Yes they include all but the 25th percentile is usually the low-income (big push for that under the new Dean); first-generation (another big push for that); Blueridge Scholars; Questbridge; athletes; special instruments; URMs; some legacies who gave big bucks (article in WaPo about that a few years back) basketball players of course; the odd person applying from South Dakota so they hit all 50 states and 100+ countries, etc.
3) Do not believe Dean J. She's a marketer. That's why she has the nice dogs. Their job is to get kids to apply so they can be rejected. She will say anything to get the kids to apply. So she will deny that it is top 5-10% of the class, etc. etc. etc. to get your kid to apply. A better read is College Confidential results for a particular class - read closely at the astonishing credentials some of those students have who are denied. Or Reddit.
4) Schools do use different grading systems but each high school counselor sends a profile of each class with an indication of highest courses offered, no. of kids in highest courses, highest GPA, number of kids in class. It takes a UVA grader five seconds to figure out if your kid is in the top 10% of the class. 94% of last year's class was in the top ten percent. This is how UVA knows exactly where your child stands in relationshiop to other applicants from your high school. It doesn't hurt that your high school counselor writes his own letter of recommendation to Virginia Schools. And he or she checks off a box to indicate if your child has taken the most rigorous courses. This is why UVA's selectivity percentage is high vis-a-vis privates - the candidates to Virginia schools are self-selecting and guided by the high school counselor. The high school counselor isn't going to help your B+ student get into UVA but will try to route them to another Virginia institution. It hurts their reputation to do otherwise.

The numbers seem to say that they take more than the top 10% from some schools.

College Confidential is dead. If you are still using it, I'm not sure you are getting good information.

I recognize your posting style. You are so convinced that you know how things work, but your posts don't pass the logic test.

[Anonymous]

And he or she checks off a box to indicate if your child has taken the most rigorous courses.

I was just looking at this last night. You might be interested.

https://twitter.com/UVaDeanJ/status/1199696930177191939

[Anonymous]

UVA received more than 40,000 applications last year for 4,000 seats. Your application must stand out. Parents are no longer willing to pay $80k a year x 4 or 5 years for privates. There is a nationwide surge in applications to in- state programs for this reason

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:UVA received more than 40,000 applications last year for 4,000 seats. Your application must stand out. Parents are no longer willing to pay $80k a year x 4 or 5 years for privates. There is a nationwide surge in applications to in- state programs for this reason

that is not even remotely true. their final class size may have been 4,000, but that doesn't mean they're only offering 4,000 people seats. FFS...this is not hard.

[Anonymous]

Can the sarcastic, rude poster please take a moment to calm down? This isn't life or death. It's just a conversation about colleges. If you can't chat with people like a normal person, perhaps this forum isn't good for your health.

[Anonymous]

Both are poor educational choices based on their curriculum as per this website. Before you get all pissed off at the grade, read about what constitutes a good education. Many of our colleges are failing our students. Don't throw your money at some school without thinking through what they will really learn there.

UVA gets an F

https://www.whatwilltheylearn.com/schools/2733

and Duke gets a C

https://www.whatwilltheylearn.com/schools/2712

Look at some other school.

I would target Washington and Lee, Davidson or UNC if he wants to remain in the south

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

And he or she checks off a box to indicate if your child has taken the most rigorous courses.

I was just looking at this last night. You might be interested.

https://twitter.com/UVaDeanJ/status/1199696930177191939

. If you want to learn more about the “most rigorous” button there are a number of pre- existing threads about the practice in general. Google dcurbanmoms most rigorous box

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don't forget South Carolina where the kids can get up to a 6.0 in a class for honors-AP-double honors-some nonsense.

PP is correct. This has shifted the irrefutable selectivity ranking as follows:

1) UNC Chapel Hill 4.7
2) Clemson 4.43
3) UVA 4.3
4) UM College Park 4.28
5) South Carolina 4.21
6) Harvard 4.18
7) Stanford 3.95
8) Princeton 3.90

Don't forget Florida!:

1) UNC Chapel Hill 4.7
2) Clemson 4.43
3) Florida 4.42
4) UVA 4.3
5) UM College Park 4.28
6) South Carolina 4.21
7) Harvard 4.18
8) Stanford 3.95
9) Princeton 3.90

The only thing standardized in admissions is standardized test scores, and many schools are trying to scuttle that or go test optional or get around it through loopholes (foreigners not counted, spring admits not counted).

Still, the more accurate stats are posted every fall by the State Higher Education Council of Virginia, has UVA median at a 4.35 and a 4.49 for 75th percentile. If you are unhooked and applying from NoVA, you better be aiming for the top 75th percentile which is 4.49 GPA; 34 ACT or 1500 SAT or higher. These are the scores of actual entering students, not acceptances (which are higher stats because a number of students peel off and go Ivy or SLACs). I know a lot of UVA legacy students who had that 75th percentile package last year and did not get in even as legacies.

GPA: 4.49 (75th percentile); 4.35 median; 4.25 bottom 25th
ACT: 34 (75th percentile); 33 median; 30 bottom 25th
SAT 1500 (75th percentile): 1430 median; 1340 bottom

You are missing all the key points. Grading is not standardized. Scales for grading are not standardized. There are no standards on how to synthesize and report grading data. SCHEV is Virginia only. Grading practices may vary widely by state and district. It will not apply to Duke. Even in Virginia privates do not have to report GPA. Many schools do not report GPA data on the CDS, perhaps for the reasons above. CDS data is used by publications like USNWR, so there is incentive to report in a defensible way, so I would not say SCHEV is more accurate than CDS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can the sarcastic, rude poster please take a moment to calm down? This isn't life or death. It's just a conversation about colleges. If you can't chat with people like a normal person, perhaps this forum isn't good for your health.

. +1. Thus is valuable information. UVA did receive a record 40,000 plus applications last year. Virginia.admissions.edu. My student needs as much info as possible to make smart decisions. Each application and transcript costs us and we have only ten to twelve reasonable choices to
make.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don't forget South Carolina where the kids can get up to a 6.0 in a class for honors-AP-double honors-some nonsense.

PP is correct. This has shifted the irrefutable selectivity ranking as follows:

1) UNC Chapel Hill 4.7
2) Clemson 4.43
3) UVA 4.3
4) UM College Park 4.28
5) South Carolina 4.21
6) Harvard 4.18
7) Stanford 3.95
8) Princeton 3.90

Don't forget Florida!:

1) UNC Chapel Hill 4.7
2) Clemson 4.43
3) Florida 4.42
4) UVA 4.3
5) UM College Park 4.28
6) South Carolina 4.21
7) Harvard 4.18
8) Stanford 3.95
9) Princeton 3.90

The only thing standardized in admissions is standardized test scores, and many schools are trying to scuttle that or go test optional or get around it through loopholes (foreigners not counted, spring admits not counted).

Still, the more accurate stats are posted every fall by the State Higher Education Council of Virginia, has UVA median at a 4.35 and a 4.49 for 75th percentile. If you are unhooked and applying from NoVA, you better be aiming for the top 75th percentile which is 4.49 GPA; 34 ACT or 1500 SAT or higher. These are the scores of actual entering students, not acceptances (which are higher stats because a number of students peel off and go Ivy or SLACs). I know a lot of UVA legacy students who had that 75th percentile package last year and did not get in even as legacies.

GPA: 4.49 (75th percentile); 4.35 median; 4.25 bottom 25th
ACT: 34 (75th percentile); 33 median; 30 bottom 25th
SAT 1500 (75th percentile): 1430 median; 1340 bottom

You're spreading misinformation. For one thing, the stats on schev are for in state and out of state combined, and the entering stats for in state only are lower. Second, UVA's admissions blog makes clear that you have to take GPA in context. Schools use different grading systems and the GPA alone also tells you nothing about the actual courses taken.

NOVA kids with much lower SATs and GPAs than the 75th percentile routinely get into UVA.

1) No I'm not. I know kids who entered UVA with 65 college credits under their belt, a 6.0 and astonishing ECs. Also know legacies who had the 75th percentile stats and didn't get in. They went to W&M. I know Ivy-selected kids who went to UVA because their parents couldn't afford $80K a year.
2) Yes they include all but the 25th percentile is usually the low-income (big push for that under the new Dean); first-generation (another big push for that); Blueridge Scholars; Questbridge; athletes; special instruments; URMs; some legacies who gave big bucks (article in WaPo about that a few years back) basketball players of course; the odd person applying from South Dakota so they hit all 50 states and 100+ countries, etc.
3) Do not believe Dean J. She's a marketer. That's why she has the nice dogs. Their job is to get kids to apply so they can be rejected. She will say anything to get the kids to apply. So she will deny that it is top 5-10% of the class, etc. etc. etc. to get your kid to apply. A better read is College Confidential results for a particular class - read closely at the astonishing credentials some of those students have who are denied. Or Reddit.
4) Schools do use different grading systems but each high school counselor sends a profile of each class with an indication of highest courses offered, no. of kids in highest courses, highest GPA, number of kids in class. It takes a UVA grader five seconds to figure out if your kid is in the top 10% of the class. 94% of last year's class was in the top ten percent. This is how UVA knows exactly where your child stands in relationshiop to other applicants from your high school. It doesn't hurt that your high school counselor writes his own letter of recommendation to Virginia Schools. And he or she checks off a box to indicate if your child has taken the most rigorous courses. This is why UVA's selectivity percentage is high vis-a-vis privates - the candidates to Virginia schools are self-selecting and guided by the high school counselor. The high school counselor isn't going to help your B+ student get into UVA but will try to route them to another Virginia institution. It hurts their reputation to do otherwise.

The numbers seem to say that they take more than the top 10% from some schools.

College Confidential is dead. If you are still using it, I'm not sure you are getting good information.

I recognize your posting style. You are so convinced that you know how things work, but your posts don't pass the logic test.

We have no idea what percentage are actually in the top 10%. What UVA reports in CDS is the percentage of those students with reported class ranks are in the top 10%. It was 90% in the most recent CDS. That 90% is actually 90% the 43% of students that actually have a reported GPA. 57% do not have a reported GPA. UVA makes no external claims on those 57%.

What Dean J often writes about is that the transcript is key. You interpret that as marketing, and she certainly does that, but you can also see that this pushes students to take challenging courses.