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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Don't forget South Carolina where the kids can get up to a 6.0 in a class for honors-AP-double honors-some nonsense.  [/quote]

PP is correct.  This has shifted the irrefutable selectivity ranking as follows:

1) UNC Chapel Hill 4.7
2) Clemson 4.43
3) UVA 4.3
4) UM College Park 4.28
5) South Carolina 4.21
6) Harvard 4.18
7) Stanford 3.95
8) Princeton 3.90

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Don't forget Florida!:

1) UNC Chapel Hill 4.7
2) Clemson 4.43
3) Florida 4.42
[b]4) UVA 4.3[/b]
5) UM College Park 4.28
6) South Carolina 4.21
7) Harvard 4.18
8) Stanford 3.95
9) Princeton 3.90[/quote]

The only thing standardized in admissions is standardized test scores, and many schools are trying to scuttle that or go test optional or get around it through loopholes (foreigners not counted, spring admits not counted).  [/quote]

Still, the more accurate stats are posted every fall by the State Higher Education Council of Virginia, has UVA median at a 4.35 and a 4.49 for 75th percentile.  If you are unhooked and applying from NoVA, you better be aiming for the top 75th percentile which is 4.49 GPA; 34 ACT or 1500 SAT or higher.  These are the scores of actual entering students, not acceptances (which are higher stats because a number of students peel off and go Ivy or SLACs). I know a lot of UVA legacy students who had that 75th percentile package last year and did not get in even as legacies.

GPA: 4.49 (75th percentile); 4.35 median; 4.25 bottom 25th
ACT: 34 (75th percentile); 33 median; 30 bottom 25th
SAT 1500 (75th percentile): 1430 median; 1340 bottom

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You're spreading misinformation.  For one thing, the stats on schev are for in state and out of state combined, and the entering stats for in state only are lower.  Second, UVA's admissions blog makes clear that you have to take GPA in context.  Schools use different grading systems and the GPA alone also tells you nothing about the actual courses taken.

NOVA kids with much lower SATs and GPAs than the 75th percentile routinely get into UVA.  [/quote]

1)  No I'm not.  I know kids who entered UVA with 65 college credits under their belt, a 6.0 and astonishing ECs.  Also know legacies who had the 75th percentile stats and didn't get in.  They went to W&M.  I know Ivy-selected kids who went to UVA because their parents couldn't afford $80K a year.
2) Yes they include all but the 25th percentile is usually the low-income (big push for that under the new Dean); first-generation (another big push for that); Blueridge Scholars; Questbridge; athletes; special instruments; URMs; some legacies who gave big bucks (article in WaPo about that a few years back) basketball players of course; the odd person applying from South Dakota so they hit all 50 states and 100+ countries, etc.
3) Do not believe Dean J.  She's a marketer.  That's why she has the nice dogs. Their job is to get kids to apply so they can be rejected.  She will say anything to get the kids to apply.  So she will deny that it is top 5-10% of the class, etc. etc. etc. to get your kid to apply.  A better read is College Confidential results for a particular class - read closely at the astonishing credentials some of those students have who are denied.  Or Reddit.
4) Schools do use different grading systems but each high school counselor sends a profile of each class with an indication of highest courses offered, no. of kids in highest courses, highest GPA, number of kids in class.  It takes a UVA grader five seconds to figure out if your kid is in the top 10% of the class.  94% of last year's class was in the top ten percent.  This is how UVA knows exactly where your child stands in relationshiop to other applicants from your high school.  It doesn't hurt that your high school counselor writes his own letter of recommendation to Virginia Schools.  And he or she checks off a box to indicate if your child has taken the most rigorous courses.  This is why UVA's selectivity percentage is high vis-a-vis privates - the candidates to Virginia schools are self-selecting and guided by the high school counselor.  The high school counselor isn't going to help your B+ student get into UVA but will try to route them to another Virginia institution.  It hurts their reputation to do otherwise.[/quote]

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