Duke vs. UVA (In-State)?

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Anonymous wrote:Don't forget South Carolina where the kids can get up to a 6.0 in a class for honors-AP-double honors-some nonsense.

PP is correct. This has shifted the irrefutable selectivity ranking as follows:

1) UNC Chapel Hill 4.7
2) Clemson 4.43
3) UVA 4.3
4) UM College Park 4.28
5) South Carolina 4.21
6) Harvard 4.18
7) Stanford 3.95
8) Princeton 3.90

Don't forget Florida!:

1) UNC Chapel Hill 4.7
2) Clemson 4.43
3) Florida 4.42
4) UVA 4.3
5) UM College Park 4.28
6) South Carolina 4.21
7) Harvard 4.18
8) Stanford 3.95
9) Princeton 3.90

The only thing standardized in admissions is standardized test scores, and many schools are trying to scuttle that or go test optional or get around it through loopholes (foreigners not counted, spring admits not counted).

Still, the more accurate stats are posted every fall by the State Higher Education Council of Virginia, has UVA median at a 4.35 and a 4.49 for 75th percentile. If you are unhooked and applying from NoVA, you better be aiming for the top 75th percentile which is 4.49 GPA; 34 ACT or 1500 SAT or higher. These are the scores of actual entering students, not acceptances (which are higher stats because a number of students peel off and go Ivy or SLACs). I know a lot of UVA legacy students who had that 75th percentile package last year and did not get in even as legacies.

GPA: 4.49 (75th percentile); 4.35 median; 4.25 bottom 25th
ACT: 34 (75th percentile); 33 median; 30 bottom 25th
SAT 1500 (75th percentile): 1430 median; 1340 bottom

Man, I actually looked up SHECV. UVa is not even the most selective school in Virignia. Its SAT / ACT scores are slightly lower than those of W&L. Do you think Duke is worse than W&L?

https://research.schev.edu/enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don't forget South Carolina where the kids can get up to a 6.0 in a class for honors-AP-double honors-some nonsense.

PP is correct. This has shifted the irrefutable selectivity ranking as follows:

1) UNC Chapel Hill 4.7
2) Clemson 4.43
3) UVA 4.3
4) UM College Park 4.28
5) South Carolina 4.21
6) Harvard 4.18
7) Stanford 3.95
8) Princeton 3.90

Don't forget Florida!:

1) UNC Chapel Hill 4.7
2) Clemson 4.43
3) Florida 4.42
4) UVA 4.3
5) UM College Park 4.28
6) South Carolina 4.21
7) Harvard 4.18
8) Stanford 3.95
9) Princeton 3.90

The only thing standardized in admissions is standardized test scores, and many schools are trying to scuttle that or go test optional or get around it through loopholes (foreigners not counted, spring admits not counted).

Still, the more accurate stats are posted every fall by the State Higher Education Council of Virginia, has UVA median at a 4.35 and a 4.49 for 75th percentile. If you are unhooked and applying from NoVA, you better be aiming for the top 75th percentile which is 4.49 GPA; 34 ACT or 1500 SAT or higher. These are the scores of actual entering students, not acceptances (which are higher stats because a number of students peel off and go Ivy or SLACs). I know a lot of UVA legacy students who had that 75th percentile package last year and did not get in even as legacies.

GPA: 4.49 (75th percentile); 4.35 median; 4.25 bottom 25th
ACT: 34 (75th percentile); 33 median; 30 bottom 25th
SAT 1500 (75th percentile): 1430 median; 1340 bottom

Man, I actually looked up SHECV. UVa is not even the most selective school in Virignia. Its SAT / ACT scores are slightly lower than those of W&L. Do you think Duke is worse than W&L?

https://research.schev.edu/enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp

. You are looking at UVA-Wise, not UVA. The UVA entries are temporarily down.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don't forget South Carolina where the kids can get up to a 6.0 in a class for honors-AP-double honors-some nonsense.

PP is correct. This has shifted the irrefutable selectivity ranking as follows:

1) UNC Chapel Hill 4.7
2) Clemson 4.43
3) UVA 4.3
4) UM College Park 4.28
5) South Carolina 4.21
6) Harvard 4.18
7) Stanford 3.95
8) Princeton 3.90

Don't forget Florida!:

1) UNC Chapel Hill 4.7
2) Clemson 4.43
3) Florida 4.42
4) UVA 4.3
5) UM College Park 4.28
6) South Carolina 4.21
7) Harvard 4.18
8) Stanford 3.95
9) Princeton 3.90

The only thing standardized in admissions is standardized test scores, and many schools are trying to scuttle that or go test optional or get around it through loopholes (foreigners not counted, spring admits not counted).

Still, the more accurate stats are posted every fall by the State Higher Education Council of Virginia, has UVA median at a 4.35 and a 4.49 for 75th percentile. If you are unhooked and applying from NoVA, you better be aiming for the top 75th percentile which is 4.49 GPA; 34 ACT or 1500 SAT or higher. These are the scores of actual entering students, not acceptances (which are higher stats because a number of students peel off and go Ivy or SLACs). I know a lot of UVA legacy students who had that 75th percentile package last year and did not get in even as legacies.

GPA: 4.49 (75th percentile); 4.35 median; 4.25 bottom 25th
ACT: 34 (75th percentile); 33 median; 30 bottom 25th
SAT 1500 (75th percentile): 1430 median; 1340 bottom

Man, I actually looked up SHECV. UVa is not even the most selective school in Virignia. Its SAT / ACT scores are slightly lower than those of W&L. Do you think Duke is worse than W&L?

https://research.schev.edu/enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp

1. Can we agree that comparing schools based on weighted GPAs is silly? Just stop.

2. Using the stats of enrolled students, as SCHEV does, doesn't provide a fully accurate picture of a school's selectivity. Need to look at admitted students' stats.

3. I don't think anyone is arguing that UVA is more selective or prestigious than Duke. The question is whether that prestige difference is worth $40K per year?

[Anonymous]

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1. Can we agree that comparing schools based on weighted GPAs is silly? Just stop.

2. Using the stats of enrolled students, as SCHEV does, doesn't provide a fully accurate picture of a school's selectivity. Need to look at admitted students' stats.

3. I don't think anyone is arguing that UVA is more selective or prestigious than Duke. The question is whether that prestige difference is worth $40K per year?

Thank you for taking things back to the beginning. Every school-specific thread winds up as a dumping ground for people have a chip on their shoulders. One doesn't need to tear one school down to answer the OP's question.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don't forget South Carolina where the kids can get up to a 6.0 in a class for honors-AP-double honors-some nonsense.

PP is correct. This has shifted the irrefutable selectivity ranking as follows:

1) UNC Chapel Hill 4.7
2) Clemson 4.43
3) UVA 4.3
4) UM College Park 4.28
5) South Carolina 4.21
6) Harvard 4.18
7) Stanford 3.95
8) Princeton 3.90

Don't forget Florida!:

1) UNC Chapel Hill 4.7
2) Clemson 4.43
3) Florida 4.42
4) UVA 4.3
5) UM College Park 4.28
6) South Carolina 4.21
7) Harvard 4.18
8) Stanford 3.95
9) Princeton 3.90

The only thing standardized in admissions is standardized test scores, and many schools are trying to scuttle that or go test optional or get around it through loopholes (foreigners not counted, spring admits not counted).

Still, the more accurate stats are posted every fall by the State Higher Education Council of Virginia, has UVA median at a 4.35 and a 4.49 for 75th percentile. If you are unhooked and applying from NoVA, you better be aiming for the top 75th percentile which is 4.49 GPA; 34 ACT or 1500 SAT or higher. These are the scores of actual entering students, not acceptances (which are higher stats because a number of students peel off and go Ivy or SLACs). I know a lot of UVA legacy students who had that 75th percentile package last year and did not get in even as legacies.

GPA: 4.49 (75th percentile); 4.35 median; 4.25 bottom 25th
ACT: 34 (75th percentile); 33 median; 30 bottom 25th
SAT 1500 (75th percentile): 1430 median; 1340 bottom

Man, I actually looked up SHECV. UVa is not even the most selective school in Virignia. Its SAT / ACT scores are slightly lower than those of W&L. Do you think Duke is worse than W&L?

https://research.schev.edu/enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp

1. Can we agree that comparing schools based on weighted GPAs is silly? Just stop.

2. Using the stats of enrolled students, as SCHEV does, doesn't provide a fully accurate picture of a school's selectivity. Need to look at admitted students' stats.

3. I don't think anyone is arguing that UVA is more selective or prestigious than Duke. The question is whether that prestige difference is worth $40K per year?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don't forget South Carolina where the kids can get up to a 6.0 in a class for honors-AP-double honors-some nonsense.

PP is correct. This has shifted the irrefutable selectivity ranking as follows:

1) UNC Chapel Hill 4.7
2) Clemson 4.43
3) UVA 4.3
4) UM College Park 4.28
5) South Carolina 4.21
6) Harvard 4.18
7) Stanford 3.95
8) Princeton 3.90

Don't forget Florida!:

1) UNC Chapel Hill 4.7
2) Clemson 4.43
3) Florida 4.42
4) UVA 4.3
5) UM College Park 4.28
6) South Carolina 4.21
7) Harvard 4.18
8) Stanford 3.95
9) Princeton 3.90

The only thing standardized in admissions is standardized test scores, and many schools are trying to scuttle that or go test optional or get around it through loopholes (foreigners not counted, spring admits not counted).

Still, the more accurate stats are posted every fall by the State Higher Education Council of Virginia, has UVA median at a 4.35 and a 4.49 for 75th percentile. If you are unhooked and applying from NoVA, you better be aiming for the top 75th percentile which is 4.49 GPA; 34 ACT or 1500 SAT or higher. These are the scores of actual entering students, not acceptances (which are higher stats because a number of students peel off and go Ivy or SLACs). I know a lot of UVA legacy students who had that 75th percentile package last year and did not get in even as legacies.

GPA: 4.49 (75th percentile); 4.35 median; 4.25 bottom 25th
ACT: 34 (75th percentile); 33 median; 30 bottom 25th
SAT 1500 (75th percentile): 1430 median; 1340 bottom

Man, I actually looked up SHECV. UVa is not even the most selective school in Virignia. Its SAT / ACT scores are slightly lower than those of W&L. Do you think Duke is worse than W&L?

https://research.schev.edu/enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp

1. Can we agree that comparing schools based on weighted GPAs is silly? Just stop.

2. Using the stats of enrolled students, as SCHEV does, doesn't provide a fully accurate picture of a school's selectivity. Need to look at admitted students' stats.

3. I don't think anyone is arguing that UVA is more selective or prestigious than Duke. The question is whether that prestige difference is worth $40K per year?

GPAs are problematic because there are no standards. And increases over time are often portrayed as an increase in selectivity, but there is significant grade inflation at the high school level, and that would have to be accounted for in any analysis.

Admitted students stats are usually above the enrolled students stats because many high stats will go to another school. This happens all the way up to Harvard and Stanford. So I don't think it is the best indicator.

I agree with point 3. If admitted to both, I think they should take a look at aid packages, evaluate their situation, make a decision, and don't look back.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don't forget South Carolina where the kids can get up to a 6.0 in a class for honors-AP-double honors-some nonsense.

PP is correct. This has shifted the irrefutable selectivity ranking as follows:

1) UNC Chapel Hill 4.7
2) Clemson 4.43
3) UVA 4.3
4) UM College Park 4.28
5) South Carolina 4.21
6) Harvard 4.18
7) Stanford 3.95
8) Princeton 3.90

Don't forget Florida!:

1) UNC Chapel Hill 4.7
2) Clemson 4.43
3) Florida 4.42
4) UVA 4.3
5) UM College Park 4.28
6) South Carolina 4.21
7) Harvard 4.18
8) Stanford 3.95
9) Princeton 3.90

The only thing standardized in admissions is standardized test scores, and many schools are trying to scuttle that or go test optional or get around it through loopholes (foreigners not counted, spring admits not counted).

Still, the more accurate stats are posted every fall by the State Higher Education Council of Virginia, has UVA median at a 4.35 and a 4.49 for 75th percentile. If you are unhooked and applying from NoVA, you better be aiming for the top 75th percentile which is 4.49 GPA; 34 ACT or 1500 SAT or higher. These are the scores of actual entering students, not acceptances (which are higher stats because a number of students peel off and go Ivy or SLACs). I know a lot of UVA legacy students who had that 75th percentile package last year and did not get in even as legacies.

GPA: 4.49 (75th percentile); 4.35 median; 4.25 bottom 25th
ACT: 34 (75th percentile); 33 median; 30 bottom 25th
SAT 1500 (75th percentile): 1430 median; 1340 bottom

Man, I actually looked up SHECV. UVa is not even the most selective school in Virignia. Its SAT / ACT scores are slightly lower than those of W&L. Do you think Duke is worse than W&L?

https://research.schev.edu/enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp

. You are looking at UVA-Wise, not UVA. The UVA entries are temporarily down.

I was looking at 2018-2019 numbers. UVA-C is behind W&L.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don't forget South Carolina where the kids can get up to a 6.0 in a class for honors-AP-double honors-some nonsense.

PP is correct. This has shifted the irrefutable selectivity ranking as follows:

1) UNC Chapel Hill 4.7
2) Clemson 4.43
3) UVA 4.3
4) UM College Park 4.28
5) South Carolina 4.21
6) Harvard 4.18
7) Stanford 3.95
8) Princeton 3.90

Don't forget Florida!:

1) UNC Chapel Hill 4.7
2) Clemson 4.43
3) Florida 4.42
4) UVA 4.3
5) UM College Park 4.28
6) South Carolina 4.21
7) Harvard 4.18
8) Stanford 3.95
9) Princeton 3.90

The only thing standardized in admissions is standardized test scores, and many schools are trying to scuttle that or go test optional or get around it through loopholes (foreigners not counted, spring admits not counted).

Still, the more accurate stats are posted every fall by the State Higher Education Council of Virginia, has UVA median at a 4.35 and a 4.49 for 75th percentile. If you are unhooked and applying from NoVA, you better be aiming for the top 75th percentile which is 4.49 GPA; 34 ACT or 1500 SAT or higher. These are the scores of actual entering students, not acceptances (which are higher stats because a number of students peel off and go Ivy or SLACs). I know a lot of UVA legacy students who had that 75th percentile package last year and did not get in even as legacies.

GPA: 4.49 (75th percentile); 4.35 median; 4.25 bottom 25th
ACT: 34 (75th percentile); 33 median; 30 bottom 25th
SAT 1500 (75th percentile): 1430 median; 1340 bottom

Man, I actually looked up SHECV. UVa is not even the most selective school in Virignia. Its SAT / ACT scores are slightly lower than those of W&L. Do you think Duke is worse than W&L?

https://research.schev.edu/enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp

3. I don't think anyone is arguing that UVA is more selective or prestigious than Duke. The question is whether that prestige difference is worth $40K per year?

Except one UVa cheerleader kept saying UVa is more selective than Duke. That drives me crazy.

[Anonymous]

In the 1980s, I was accepted to Duke and Wait listed at UVA ( from MoCo). I know, I know, times have changed. It just means each school picks who they want for their own reasons.


My resume has always started with Duke, and I feel it has always opened doors to jobs and an Ivy grad school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In the 1980s, I was accepted to Duke and Wait listed at UVA ( from MoCo). I know, I know, times have changed. It just means each school picks who they want for their own reasons.


My resume has always started with Duke, and I feel it has always opened doors to jobs and an Ivy grad school.

OOS, the admission stats and costs are going to be more similar. UVA cost will be closer to Duke and admission rates will be closer. But I would imagine the OOS cross-admits heavily favor Duke.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In the 1980s, I was accepted to Duke and Wait listed at UVA ( from MoCo). I know, I know, times have changed. It just means each school picks who they want for their own reasons.


My resume has always started with Duke, and I feel it has always opened doors to jobs and an Ivy grad school.

When it comes to out of state admissions, yes, UVA is probably on par with Duke. But 2/3 of the class are in state, as is OP's kid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don't forget South Carolina where the kids can get up to a 6.0 in a class for honors-AP-double honors-some nonsense.

PP is correct. This has shifted the irrefutable selectivity ranking as follows:

1) UNC Chapel Hill 4.7
2) Clemson 4.43
3) UVA 4.3
4) UM College Park 4.28
5) South Carolina 4.21
6) Harvard 4.18
7) Stanford 3.95
8) Princeton 3.90

Don't forget Florida!:

1) UNC Chapel Hill 4.7
2) Clemson 4.43
3) Florida 4.42
4) UVA 4.3
5) UM College Park 4.28
6) South Carolina 4.21
7) Harvard 4.18
8) Stanford 3.95
9) Princeton 3.90

Funny. Shows how important is is to understand and use data points in context.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In the 1980s, I was accepted to Duke and Wait listed at UVA ( from MoCo). I know, I know, times have changed. It just means each school picks who they want for their own reasons.


My resume has always started with Duke, and I feel it has always opened doors to jobs and an Ivy grad school.

When it comes to out of state admissions, yes, UVA is probably on par with Duke. But 2/3 of the class are in state, as is OP's kid.

I believe a very high percentage of OOS UVA cross-admits with Duke will choose Duke. Costs are pretty close.

[Anonymous]

Duke is EXTREMELY difficult to get into. If he does make the cut, count yourself fortunate. Their applicant acceptance rate was 10% as of 4 years ago.

[Anonymous]

im a duke grad and id go to ova unless cost is same with aid. then kid should decide which he likes better.