Parents of Asian-American Kids: What did you learn from the college admissions process?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Affirmative action from birth ‘till death do us apart. Affirmative action in collge and in employment. For life.

You must be new here.

Racial consideration in college admissions is NOT affirmative action.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Affirmative action from birth ‘till death do us apart. Affirmative action in collge and in employment. For life.

You must be new here.

Racial consideration in college admissions is NOT affirmative action.

How many times must this idiocy be posted? Colleges want racial balance. To achieve that, they need to give a boost to some races. This is affirmative action.
I'm sorry English and logic are not your friends.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Affirmative action from birth ‘till death do us apart. Affirmative action in collge and in employment. For life.

You must be new here.

Racial consideration in college admissions is NOT affirmative action.

How many times must this idiocy be posted? Colleges want racial balance. To achieve that, they need to give a boost to some races. This is affirmative action.
I'm sorry English and logic are not your friends.

You do not understand affirmative action:

"the practice or policy of favoring individuals belonging to groups known to have been discriminated against previously."

Racial consideration in college admissions affects all races regardless of whether or not they were discriminated against previously.

As for your question: "How many times must this idiocy be posted? ", the answer is, at least one more, apparently, until it is understood.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^^ If you don’t like the process of finding a job through connections, then what do you suggest? And don’t you find that overly controlling? To regulate who employers can hire?? That is nothing we’ve ever done in this country before. Students should do well in college, work/get internships if possible, network and make friends, have a good time and build social skills, and be scrappy.

Who knows maybe your child will benefit from a “connection.” You probably won’t mind it then!

so you don't mind that your kid used wealthy connections to get a job, but you don't want universities to use affirmative action to give lower income (mostly URM, there's that word again) to get a higher paying job by having them attend their well connected university?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Affirmative action from birth ‘till death do us apart. Affirmative action in collge and in employment. For life.

You must be new here.

Racial consideration in college admissions is NOT affirmative action.

How many times must this idiocy be posted? Colleges want racial balance. To achieve that, they need to give a boost to some races. This is affirmative action.
I'm sorry English and logic are not your friends.

You do not understand affirmative action:

"the practice or policy of favoring individuals belonging to groups known to have been discriminated against previously."

Racial consideration in college admissions affects all races regardless of whether or not they were discriminated against previously.

As for your question: "How many times must this idiocy be posted? ", the answer is, at least one more, apparently, until it is understood.

I can make up definitions too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Affirmative action from birth ‘till death do us apart. Affirmative action in collge and in employment. For life.

You must be new here.

Racial consideration in college admissions is NOT affirmative action.

How many times must this idiocy be posted? Colleges want racial balance. To achieve that, they need to give a boost to some races. This is affirmative action.
I'm sorry English and logic are not your friends.

You do not understand affirmative action:

"the practice or policy of favoring individuals belonging to groups known to have been discriminated against previously."

Racial consideration in college admissions affects all races regardless of whether or not they were discriminated against previously.

As for your question: "How many times must this idiocy be posted? ", the answer is, at least one more, apparently, until it is understood.

I can make up definitions too.

Not made up at all. Every definition refers to specific races and reasons:

https://lmgtfy.com/?q=affirmative+action+definition

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/affirmative%20action

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/affirmative_action

a google search made easy for you and 3 quick random examples. You should stop.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Affirmative action from birth ‘till death do us apart. Affirmative action in collge and in employment. For life.

You must be new here.

Racial consideration in college admissions is NOT affirmative action.

The master baiter has returned! Let’s see how quickly s/he degenerates this conversation to a big nothing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^ If you don’t like the process of finding a job through connections, then what do you suggest? And don’t you find that overly controlling? To regulate who employers can hire?? That is nothing we’ve ever done in this country before. Students should do well in college, work/get internships if possible, network and make friends, have a good time and build social skills, and be scrappy.

Who knows maybe your child will benefit from a “connection.” You probably won’t mind it then!

so you don't mind that your kid used wealthy connections to get a job, but you don't want universities to use affirmative action to give lower income (mostly URM, there's that word again) to get a higher paying job by having them attend their well connected university?

PP here. I live in CA which has no affirmative action and uses a merit based application process, and I think it should be a model for every state. Low income students get financial resources to help them attend at very low or no cost.

Now, on to employment and hiring practices: the idea of networking to get a job is basic job-finding skills 101. Sorry if that doesn’t sit well with people, but that’s why there is more to finding a job than academic merit. That seems to crush our bright hardworking students, but it’s an important lesson. Academic success gets you in the door, but it’s not something that will guarantee you success or happiness!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Affirmative action from birth ‘till death do us apart. Affirmative action in collge and in employment. For life.

You must be new here.

Racial consideration in college admissions is NOT affirmative action.

The master baiter has returned! Let’s see how quickly s/he degenerates this conversation to a big nothing.

Someone has to point out the lies and dishonesty.

And I haven't returned. I have never left and will not. People needs to understand the facts and truth so they can make their own decisions. Why are you afraid of that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Affirmative action from birth ‘till death do us apart. Affirmative action in collge and in employment. For life.

You must be new here.

Racial consideration in college admissions is NOT affirmative action.

How many times must this idiocy be posted? Colleges want racial balance. To achieve that, they need to give a boost to some races. This is affirmative action.
I'm sorry English and logic are not your friends.

You do not understand affirmative action:

"the practice or policy of favoring individuals belonging to groups known to have been discriminated against previously."

Racial consideration in college admissions affects all races regardless of whether or not they were discriminated against previously.

As for your question: "How many times must this idiocy be posted? ", the answer is, at least one more, apparently, until it is understood.

I can make up definitions too.

Not made up at all. Every definition refers to specific races and reasons:

https://lmgtfy.com/?q=affirmative+action+definition

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/affirmative%20action

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/affirmative_action

a google search made easy for you and 3 quick random examples. You should stop.

Well I only started 3 posts ago.

Let's take that politicized definition as it is. Note that it uses the term "groups" rather than races. Back in my youth, I sent off an application to Princeton and was rejected. Thus, as far as I know, my family has been discriminated against at Princeton. (Note the root word of discriminate merely means to choose between options.) Should my family be offered affirmative action in getting into Princeton given its history of discrimination against my family? If they were to do so, would you call it affirmative action?

The less loaded general term to use is "preferential treatment." Somehow by calling "preferential treatment" in favor of underrepresented groups "affirmative action," that makes everything OK. (It's nice when you control dictionaries.) Be careful what you wish for because the term underrepresented is quite malleable. For example, African Americans may be underrepresented at Harvard as a proportion of the American college age population, but you can be damn sure they are overrepresented as a portion of the global college age population.

[Anonymous]

Be black

[Anonymous]

There are thousands of colleges. Your quote "-achieving perfect Asian kid" will be just fine not going to a top 25 School. Chill Asian parents. Just chill.

[Anonymous]

When the Asian community fights for The limited number of space in the top u.s. colleges and universities they faced the same lottery process as everyone else. When you have a 5% acceptance rate it's hard for everyone.

[Anonymous]

Well I only started 3 posts ago.

If you are the poster who called the definition "made up" then 3 was at least 1 too many.

Let's take that politicized definition as it is. Note that it uses the term "groups" rather than races. Back in my youth, I sent off an application to Princeton and was rejected. Thus, as far as I know, my family has been discriminated against at Princeton. (Note the root word of discriminate merely means to choose between options.) Should my family be offered affirmative action in getting into Princeton given its history of discrimination against my family? If they were to do so, would you call it affirmative action?

No. And they wouldn't anyway, because they don't practice affirmative action.

The less loaded general term to use is "preferential treatment." Somehow by calling "preferential treatment" in favor of underrepresented groups "affirmative action," that makes everything OK.

It's not the term that makes it OK. It's understanding the reason they seek balance that makes it understandable. You can dispute that they SHOULD do it that way -- and TBH I am not sure what I think about that. But calling it "Affirmative Action" is misleading and does not permit people to understand the situation and make a proper decision.

Be careful what you wish for because the term underrepresented is quite malleable.

Yeah, not really. Statistics and whatnot.

For example, African Americans may be underrepresented at Harvard as a proportion of the American college age population, but you can be damn sure they are overrepresented as a portion of the global college age population.

Doesn't matter though, colleges can use whichever they prefer. Someone will be benefit and someone will not but the objectives and result remain the same.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are thousands of colleges. Your quote "-achieving perfect Asian kid" will be just fine not going to a top 25 School. Chill Asian parents. Just chill.

Right on sista, keep on truckin’!