Shooting in Munich

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So he's not a second generation Muslim immigrant then? Glad to hear he doesn't fit the mold.

I'm not sure what mold you think he doesn't fit? He fits the disaffected, bullied, school boy suffering from depression mold pretty well.

I just meant that a lot of these types of killings have been done by second generation Muslims. That's what I meant by "mold."

No, he doesn't seem to fit that mold. In the video recorded at the parking garage, the shooter described himself as German and complained about being bullied. He never mentioned Islam. Also, the German authorities don't believe the attack was motivated by Islamist extremism.

Hmm you are leaving out the fact that he was heard yelling Allah Akbar. Also, he is a second generation Muslim killing people so whether or not he was rid to Isis is neither here nor there. The pattern of Sedona generation Muslims killing people in Europw and the US is a patten and mold. Most would agree that is the connection. Most of their depressed people don't go on shooting sprees.
They take meds.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So he's not a second generation Muslim immigrant then? Glad to hear he doesn't fit the mold.

I'm not sure what mold you think he doesn't fit? He fits the disaffected, bullied, school boy suffering from depression mold pretty well.

I just meant that a lot of these types of killings have been done by second generation Muslims. That's what I meant by "mold."

No, he doesn't seem to fit that mold. In the video recorded at the parking garage, the shooter described himself as German and complained about being bullied. He never mentioned Islam. Also, the German authorities don't believe the attack was motivated by Islamist extremism.

Hmm you are leaving out the fact that he was heard yelling Allah Akbar. Also, he is a second generation Muslim killing people so whether or not he was rid to Isis is neither here nor there. The pattern of Sedona generation Muslims killing people in Europw and the US is a patten and mold. Most would agree that is the connection. Most of their depressed people don't go on shooting sprees.
They take meds.

Apologies for typos.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So he's not a second generation Muslim immigrant then? Glad to hear he doesn't fit the mold.

I'm not sure what mold you think he doesn't fit? He fits the disaffected, bullied, school boy suffering from depression mold pretty well.

And he fits the second generation can't fit in turn my anger outward mold. Both molds.

Btw - I will be interested to hear more about the bullying. It turned out the Columbine kids were quite popular. I have no doubt he may have been bullied - wondering if it was typical in the poor neighborhood (everyone bulied?) or if he was singled out . And then to ask, why wasn't he resilient? Millions are bullied without doing this (NOT excusing bullying). What other causalities were in the picture?

Again, instead of denial society can actually start to build a profile that leads to recognition, cooperation with the community and intervention. But first the denial HAS to stop. Have you heard of the Denmark policing outreach?

Lots of bullying in my HS in the 80s. No shootings. 16 Candles, Pretty in Pink, Breakfast Club had bullying as a big theme.

Why do the bullied now turn to killing??

It used to be blamed on violent video games.

Access to guns. Good part of it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So he's not a second generation Muslim immigrant then? Glad to hear he doesn't fit the mold.

He does fit the mold. You are correct and most people see the connection while others are blindly defending it and trying to prove it has nothing to do with being Muslim. There is a pattern going on - Muslim people committing mass murders.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:Latest details of the shooting:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/23/munich-shooting-teenage-gunman-researched-killing-sprees-no-isis-links

"The lone teenager who shot dead nine people and injured 27 others in Munich had researched school killing sprees and attempted to lure victims to the scene of his rampage with an offer of free food on social media, officials have said."

"Officials added that the gunman, who has been named locally as Ali Sonboly, had likely been in psychiatric care and there were indicators he had been treated for depression." (Note, "Ali" is a Shia name so we can be sure this had nothing to do with ISIS).

"Classmates of Sonboly told the Guardian he had been bullied at school, while neighbours described him as shy and lazy." (Note, this is consistent with what the gunman yelled from the parking garage).

"Officials said the searches had revealed no links to Islamic State, and suggested the attack was unlikely to have been motivated by Islamist extremism. They said they had found newspaper clippings and books related to killing sprees, one of which was believed to be a textbook called Why Kids Kill: Inside the Minds of School Shooters."

So, this looks more like Columbine or Sandy Hook than a terrorist attack.

Also, this:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/prosecutor-munich-attack-appears-to-be-classic-shooting-rampage-and-not-terrorism/2016/07/23/1911f094-50bd-11e6-bf27-405106836f96_story.html

"Prosecutor: Munich attack appears to be ‘classic shooting rampage’ and not terrorism."

Obviously Germany under Merkel's administration would say it had nothing to do with Islam because the country is already furious with her and many asking for her to resign. He is Muslim and second generation period.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So he's not a second generation Muslim immigrant then? Glad to hear he doesn't fit the mold.

I'm not sure what mold you think he doesn't fit? He fits the disaffected, bullied, school boy suffering from depression mold pretty well.

And he fits the second generation can't fit in turn my anger outward mold. Both molds.

Btw - I will be interested to hear more about the bullying. It turned out the Columbine kids were quite popular. I have no doubt he may have been bullied - wondering if it was typical in the poor neighborhood (everyone bulied?) or if he was singled out . And then to ask, why wasn't he resilient? Millions are bullied without doing this (NOT excusing bullying). What other causalities were in the picture?

Again, instead of denial society can actually start to build a profile that leads to recognition, cooperation with the community and intervention. But first the denial HAS to stop. Have you heard of the Denmark policing outreach?

Lots of bullying in my HS in the 80s. No shootings. 16 Candles, Pretty in Pink, Breakfast Club had bullying as a big theme.

Why do the bullied now turn to killing??

It used to be blamed on violent video games.

Access to guns. Good part of it.

Why now? Probably a couple of factors: Internet. 24/7 live news coverage.

Guns have been around a L-O-N-G time and so has the potential for these random mass shootings to take place. Bullying is nothing new. But I really think that it is the attention that these nuts get that spurs them on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So he's not a second generation Muslim immigrant then? Glad to hear he doesn't fit the mold.

I'm not sure what mold you think he doesn't fit? He fits the disaffected, bullied, school boy suffering from depression mold pretty well.

And he fits the second generation can't fit in turn my anger outward mold. Both molds.

Btw - I will be interested to hear more about the bullying. It turned out the Columbine kids were quite popular. I have no doubt he may have been bullied - wondering if it was typical in the poor neighborhood (everyone bulied?) or if he was singled out . And then to ask, why wasn't he resilient? Millions are bullied without doing this (NOT excusing bullying). What other causalities were in the picture?

Again, instead of denial society can actually start to build a profile that leads to recognition, cooperation with the community and intervention. But first the denial HAS to stop. Have you heard of the Denmark policing outreach?

Lots of bullying in my HS in the 80s. No shootings. 16 Candles, Pretty in Pink, Breakfast Club had bullying as a big theme.

Why do the bullied now turn to killing??

It used to be blamed on violent video games.

Access to guns. Good part of it.

Are you talking about the 1880s or 1980s? There were school shootings in both time periods. I'm sure you dont assume there were zero school shootings? That would be ignorant. The difference is the 24 hour news cycle and social media.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So he's not a second generation Muslim immigrant then? Glad to hear he doesn't fit the mold.

I'm not sure what mold you think he doesn't fit? He fits the disaffected, bullied, school boy suffering from depression mold pretty well.

And he fits the second generation can't fit in turn my anger outward mold. Both molds.

Btw - I will be interested to hear more about the bullying. It turned out the Columbine kids were quite popular. I have no doubt he may have been bullied - wondering if it was typical in the poor neighborhood (everyone bulied?) or if he was singled out . And then to ask, why wasn't he resilient? Millions are bullied without doing this (NOT excusing bullying). What other causalities were in the picture?

Again, instead of denial society can actually start to build a profile that leads to recognition, cooperation with the community and intervention. But first the denial HAS to stop. Have you heard of the Denmark policing outreach?

Lots of bullying in my HS in the 80s. No shootings. 16 Candles, Pretty in Pink, Breakfast Club had bullying as a big theme.

Why do the bullied now turn to killing??

It used to be blamed on violent video games.

Access to guns. Good part of it.

Maybe your teenage self was oblivious to the world?

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:Latest details of the shooting:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/23/munich-shooting-teenage-gunman-researched-killing-sprees-no-isis-links

"The lone teenager who shot dead nine people and injured 27 others in Munich had researched school killing sprees and attempted to lure victims to the scene of his rampage with an offer of free food on social media, officials have said."

"Officials added that the gunman, who has been named locally as Ali Sonboly, had likely been in psychiatric care and there were indicators he had been treated for depression." (Note, "Ali" is a Shia name so we can be sure this had nothing to do with ISIS).

"Classmates of Sonboly told the Guardian he had been bullied at school, while neighbours described him as shy and lazy." (Note, this is consistent with what the gunman yelled from the parking garage).

"Officials said the searches had revealed no links to Islamic State, and suggested the attack was unlikely to have been motivated by Islamist extremism. They said they had found newspaper clippings and books related to killing sprees, one of which was believed to be a textbook called Why Kids Kill: Inside the Minds of School Shooters."

So, this looks more like Columbine or Sandy Hook than a terrorist attack.

Also, this:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/prosecutor-munich-attack-appears-to-be-classic-shooting-rampage-and-not-terrorism/2016/07/23/1911f094-50bd-11e6-bf27-405106836f96_story.html

"Prosecutor: Munich attack appears to be ‘classic shooting rampage’ and not terrorism."

Well, if his name is Ali, then of course it's impossible for this to be related to ISIS. Eye roll.

A 19 year old American named Shannon Conley tried to join ISIS. That name is about as Irish catholic as it gets, and she fell for the propaganda.

I'm not saying this guy was affiliated with ISIS, but I do think that's a rather ridiculous statement to make.

It is a ridiculous statement to you because you don't have a very deep understanding ISIS/Shia dynamics. It would be more like Shannon Conley trying to join an Irish protestant militia at the height of the troubles.

?

Google Ali and ISIS...and you'll see a ton of ISIS leaders, fighters, and radical Islamic imams named...wait for it...Ali.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So he's not a second generation Muslim immigrant then? Glad to hear he doesn't fit the mold.

I'm not sure what mold you think he doesn't fit? He fits the disaffected, bullied, school boy suffering from depression mold pretty well.

And he fits the second generation can't fit in turn my anger outward mold. Both molds.

Btw - I will be interested to hear more about the bullying. It turned out the Columbine kids were quite popular. I have no doubt he may have been bullied - wondering if it was typical in the poor neighborhood (everyone bulied?) or if he was singled out . And then to ask, why wasn't he resilient? Millions are bullied without doing this (NOT excusing bullying). What other causalities were in the picture?

Again, instead of denial society can actually start to build a profile that leads to recognition, cooperation with the community and intervention. But first the denial HAS to stop. Have you heard of the Denmark policing outreach?

Lots of bullying in my HS in the 80s. No shootings. 16 Candles, Pretty in Pink, Breakfast Club had bullying as a big theme.

Why do the bullied now turn to killing??

It used to be blamed on violent video games.

Access to guns. Good part of it.

Are you talking about the 1880s or 1980s? There were school shootings in both time periods. I'm sure you dont assume there were zero school shootings? That would be ignorant. The difference is the 24 hour news cycle and social media.

This totally explains it. There are no other patterns or commonalities worth exploring. For example, women have always committed their proportional share of mass murderers and sadly that means they're committing even more of them now that there is CNN and the Internet. Right?

[Anonymous]

I didn't read all 13 pages. Did anyone mention that it's the 5th anniversary of the attack by Anders Breivik? That guy's beliefs was about as far as you can get from Muslim ideologies.

Angry assholes use one excuse or another to go on a killing spree. They're a bunch of wimps who can't handle life. Guns make them feel powerful. It would be nice if they could grow the hell up and realize it's not someone else's fault that they don't feel like a big, strong man.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So he's not a second generation Muslim immigrant then? Glad to hear he doesn't fit the mold.

I'm not sure what mold you think he doesn't fit? He fits the disaffected, bullied, school boy suffering from depression mold pretty well.

I just meant that a lot of these types of killings have been done by second generation Muslims. That's what I meant by "mold."

No, he doesn't seem to fit that mold. In the video recorded at the parking garage, the shooter described himself as German and complained about being bullied. He never mentioned Islam. Also, the German authorities don't believe the attack was motivated by Islamist extremism.

Hmm you are leaving out the fact that he was heard yelling Allah Akbar. Also, he is a second generation Muslim killing people so whether or not he was rid to Isis is neither here nor there. The pattern of Sedona generation Muslims killing people in Europw and the US is a patten and mold. Most would agree that is the connection. Most of their depressed people don't go on shooting sprees.
They take meds.

funny how the Nice terrorist was a "loner" until they figured out he had ties to others

Now this lunatic surfaces and we're calling him a loner and ignoring the fact that he didn't live in a bubble.

Crazy people do crazy things. They are influenced by societal forces - good or bad. If this young man was indeed isolated, bullied, alienated, then there's nothing to prevent him from taking revenge. And while he may not be connected ti ISIS/radical Islam, the quran at its very core (like any ancient text) mentions violent acts in the name of Allah.

Below are Son of Sam's words (David Berkowitz). Remember that he was a famous serial killer in the late 70s.

“In general, people are drawn to the darker side of life. With regard to why people are so fascinated by serial killers, mass murder and violent crime, it could be that deep inside everyone is the desire to take out one’s anger and frustration upon someone else… Man can become violent and beast-like in a moment’s time… Concerning ‘evil,’ perhaps everyone has the potential, under the right conditions and circumstances, to do terrible, horrendous things… People want to understand why.”

His motivation was Satan, he said. His biographical account of his describes his childhood as tumultuous. So he was already vulnerable to influences. Feeling powerless can often lead to some disturbing methods to GAIN power over others.

This quote from Berkowitz, however, was even more eye-opening:

“The media take a part in this, too, especially with serial crimes. Serial killers are very rare. All of the media attention makes them look more prevalent than they really are. In my opinion, this is part of the inner spiritual decline of western society as we slowly slide towards anarchy.”

So when you have people who are damaged and thus commit atrocious acts, the media jumps all over it b/c juicy stories sell. The story happened one time, but all media outlets (internet - twitter, FB, Youtube, & online newspapers and our beloved television) revive it multiple times day after day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:Any German speakers should check out this video which is supposed to be the shooter from the McDonalds on the roof of a parking garage:

https://twitter.com/Conflicts/status/756553983250931712

According to translations in the subsequent tweets, the shooter says he is German, was born in Germany, and was bullied while in social services. But, if a good German-speaker could confirm this, it would be helpful.

He could have been born in Germany but is the child of immigrants and most likely he is Muslim is my bet.

Yep. I lived in Berlin and Munich 2002-2004. Safe, safe cities. Big Turkish population in Berlin that was well assimilated.

Let's say it : radical Islam. That is what has gone viral. Freaks are drawn to it like a magnet. You can be nice and sweet and they still want to kill you because you are a non-believer (yes you newborn baby, 10-year old boy, etc).

They are told to come. Fit in and lay low (like the 9/11 killers at the strip bars; the college student and his brother responsible for the Boston bombings, the Orlando shooter that frequented Pulse)...all described as friendly. Read the websites by Isil, etc on how to spread Islam. Chilling.

I'm not afraid of immigration. My ancestors were immigrants. I'm afraid of the current talk of "let them all in and just be nice"...completely missing the point of that some are banking on just that to spread the evil dogma.

It's the ideology we need to change. Yes, war and bombing will probably only make it spread---but teaching these actions are bad and it's a threat to humanity and you should t do this to susceptible populations is not being done either---we aren't even allowed to call it what it is.

This is on Muslims. If I were Muslim, I would be enraged that this keeps going on. Every normal Muslim should be on the warpath against this. Muslim leaders need to stand up and show the world they will not tolerate it. They should say loud and clear to anyone considering this form of "Islam", "We will find you wherever you are, there is no place you can hide from us. Your relatives will turn you in, your neighbors will turn you in, your fellow Muslims everywhere will despise you forever if you turn toward "radical islam. We've had enough. When you behave this way, you hurt all Muslims." Etc.

We cant' do this. Muslims need to do it.

Why don't they? Do they secretly condone the violence?

The elephant in the room is that many mainstream moderate Moslems are sympathetic to, or at least tolerant of extremism.

On a trip to a moderate Islamic country (Jordan) in 2004, a cab driver told me they all the folks in the villages, in the countryside, only got their news from Al Jazeera and no place else; these people (according to the cabbie) saw Osama Bin Laden as a folk hero- as a sort of Muslim "Robin Hood" who had justifiably struck a blow against the evil infidel crusading America.

And this was the view in a moderate country; imagine what it must be like in Syria and the gulf states?

[Anonymous]

Should the assumption be that all Catholics are pedophiles? And, of they aren't public ally denouncing it often that they are pedophile sympathizes?

Just curious.

Also, I'd like an apology from all Christians for the folks at Wesrboro Baptist. The funeral picketing is cruel.

[Anonymous]

Who or what organization supplied his gun?

He would not have been able to legally buy a gun under German gun laws.