lahoma Fraternity Caught Gleefully Singing a Racist Chant

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Daily Mail has outed one of the racist students... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2988273/Parker-Rice-identified-conductor-Oklahoma-SAE-racist-chant.html?ito=social-twitter

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Anonymous wrote:2 kids just got expelled for exercising their freedom of speech. WTH?

These students will be lawyered up and I guarantee none of the lawyers will utter the phrase "freedom of speech"...because only an idiot would try to bring freedom of speech into this discussion. It doesn't apply here. Please learn what it actually means.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't like the internet age of immediate hysteria and knee-jerk reactions. If these students were otherwise good students, I think singing a racist song on a drunken bus with no intent to offend (i.e., were minorities on the bus?), then expulsion seems over the top.

It's ok to for white people to sing about lynching, as long as there are no black people in earshot and the singers are just singing the song for fun?

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Anonymous wrote:2 kids just got expelled for exercising their freedom of speech. WTH?

I don't think Right of Free Speech means what you think it does. . . You have a right to freedom of speech against the Federal Government via the US Constitution. Not at a university.

Public universities are government. They have a case.

Still, I'm glad they were expelled.

But they are not the Federal Government. Nevertheless, most universities have regulations allowing suspension in cases such as these. I bet OU does as well.

Government is government. Doesn't have to be federal. 14th amendment of US Constitution.

Yes, but even the constitutionally-protected right of free speech is not completely unfettered. There are safety exceptions. yelling fire in a crowded building is the often used example.

Hate speech is not a type of speech that has restrictions.

But they were expelled for causing an unsafe environment for fellow students. Are you forgetting the whole lynching part?

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Anonymous wrote:I don't like the internet age of immediate hysteria and knee-jerk reactions. If these students were otherwise good students, I think singing a racist song on a drunken bus with no intent to offend (i.e., were minorities on the bus?), then expulsion seems over the top.

What does "good student" have to do with it? How about being a good person and not sing about lynching your fellow humanity?

How on earth can you sing a song about lynching people with "no intent to offend?" Are you serious?

"Drunk" has nothing to do with it. It doesn't look like this was the first the the racist men men heard the "song" - they all seemed very familiar with it.

What kinds of dark skeletons do you have in your closet, that you think this is even marginally "hysterical?"

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Anonymous wrote:2 kids just got expelled for exercising their freedom of speech. WTH?

I don't think Right of Free Speech means what you think it does. . . You have a right to freedom of speech against the Federal Government via the US Constitution. Not at a university.

Public universities are government. They have a case.

Still, I'm glad they were expelled.

But they are not the Federal Government. Nevertheless, most universities have regulations allowing suspension in cases such as these. I bet OU does as well.

Government is government. Doesn't have to be federal. 14th amendment of US Constitution.

Yes, but even the constitutionally-protected right of free speech is not completely unfettered. There are safety exceptions. yelling fire in a crowded building is the often used example.

Hate speech is not a type of speech that has restrictions.

But they were expelled for causing an unsafe environment for fellow students. Are you forgetting the whole lynching part?

It will never hold up. It was talking about general violence and not targeted at someone specific.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't like the internet age of immediate hysteria and knee-jerk reactions. If these students were otherwise good students, I think singing a racist song on a drunken bus with no intent to offend (i.e., were minorities on the bus?), then expulsion seems over the top.

What does "good student" have to do with it? How about being a good person and not sing about lynching your fellow humanity?

How on earth can you sing a song about lynching people with "no intent to offend?" Are you serious?

"Drunk" has nothing to do with it. It doesn't look like this was the first the the racist men men heard the "song" - they all seemed very familiar with it.

What kinds of dark skeletons do you have in your closet, that you think this is even marginally "hysterical?"

drinking songs are often offensive. have you ever been to a rugby party?

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Anonymous wrote:I don't like the internet age of immediate hysteria and knee-jerk reactions. If these students were otherwise good students, I think singing a racist song on a drunken bus with no intent to offend (i.e., were minorities on the bus?), then expulsion seems over the top.

What does "good student" have to do with it? How about being a good person and not sing about lynching your fellow humanity?

How on earth can you sing a song about lynching people with "no intent to offend?" Are you serious?

"Drunk" has nothing to do with it. It doesn't look like this was the first the the racist men men heard the "song" - they all seemed very familiar with it.

What kinds of dark skeletons do you have in your closet, that you think this is even marginally "hysterical?"

drinking songs are often offensive. have you ever been to a rugby party?

I was in a sorority, dated guys in several different fraternities and on the lacrosse and hockey teams as well. At no time did I ever sing or hear a drinking song about lynching people.

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Anonymous wrote:The person who took the video and ruined the lives of some extraordinary immature drunk young men should have the courage to identify themselves. Yes they are idiots and likely racist. But public shaming in front of 300 million seems like too much.

Yeah, right. He's the bad guy. Guys like this never end up doing anyone any harm.

They also end up growing up.

Which just means they'll be more discreet with their bigotry

eh. I personally feel sorry for any dumbass young kid who gets labeled anything, even if apparently deserved, at the age of 19 when drunk and immature. Social media sucks.

Honest question. Were you one of the many posters who declared Trayvon Martin was a thug based on his facebook postings? He was between the ages of 15 and 17 for many of his postings.

BTW- I don't think all the guys on that bus were drunk. The voices were clear and not slurred. The ringleader did not appear drunk from what I could view. Somebody had to drive that bus. All college kids do not drink to excess. All nineteen year olds are not immature. Maybe not in the flush DMV, but at nineteen, many kids are financing their own lifestyles, college degrees, going off to war, working full-time jobs, have their own kids, etc.

Have you ever been to a frat event? They hire a driver to drive. It's like one of those large tourist busses you can rent for group events. And I'd bet money that they started drinking before they ever stepped foot on the bus.

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Anonymous wrote:2 kids just got expelled for exercising their freedom of speech. WTH?

Do you know what freedom of speech means? The boys were not arrested...that's all you need to know.
Please walk into your manager's office and call him a fu*king idiot. You won't get arrested but you will probably get fired.

You need to rethink your insults, here. In this case it is government and it is potentially infringing on their free speech rights.

What? My kid goes to a public HS (government by your definition) and he damn sure would get expelled for singing a racist song on the school bus. Thinkgs like this are prohibited in the student handbook. So are you saying the public school students cannot be suspended or expelled for hate speech? Is that your position? LOL

Look, I know SOME of you think that this was some little drunken prank and that these boys deserve a pass, but these guys should be expelled for the sake of OU and their own safety. Because if they are not, what message are you sending to your student body? What message are you sending to potential applicants of any race? Like it or not, this is as much about OU's brand as it is anything else. OU competes with other schools in that part of country - OSU, KSU, JU, UT for students and endowment money. It's a business folks. Like people have told you, say what you want. But when what you say negatively impacts the bottom line, you are likely to be shown the door.

So much for the Conservative mantra of personal accountability.

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Anonymous wrote:The person who took the video and ruined the lives of some extraordinary immature drunk young men should have the courage to identify themselves. Yes they are idiots and likely racist. But public shaming in front of 300 million seems like too much.

Yeah, right. He's the bad guy. Guys like this never end up doing anyone any harm.

They also end up growing up.

Which just means they'll be more discreet with their bigotry

eh. I personally feel sorry for any dumbass young kid who gets labeled anything, even if apparently deserved, at the age of 19 when drunk and immature. Social media sucks.

Honest question. Were you one of the many posters who declared Trayvon Martin was a thug based on his facebook postings? He was between the ages of 15 and 17 for many of his postings.

BTW- I don't think all the guys on that bus were drunk. The voices were clear and not slurred. The ringleader did not appear drunk from what I could view. Somebody had to drive that bus. All college kids do not drink to excess. All nineteen year olds are not immature. Maybe not in the flush DMV, but at nineteen, many kids are financing their own lifestyles, college degrees, going off to war, working full-time jobs, have their own kids, etc.

Have you ever been to a frat event? They hire a driver to drive. It's like one of those large tourist busses you can rent for group events. And I'd bet money that they started drinking before they ever stepped foot on the bus.

Has anyone else found themselves wondering the race of the bus driver, and whether these kids even knew it at the time?

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2 kids just got expelled for exercising their freedom of speech. WTH?


I don't think Right of Free Speech means what you think it does. . . You have a right to freedom of speech against the Federal Government via the US Constitution. Not at a university.


Public universities are government. They have a case.

Still, I'm glad they were expelled.


But they are not the Federal Government. Nevertheless, most universities have regulations allowing suspension in cases such as these. I bet OU does as well.


Government is government. Doesn't have to be federal. 14th amendment of US Constitution.

Yes, but even the constitutionally-protected right of free speech is not completely unfettered. There are safety exceptions. yelling fire in a crowded building is the often used example.

Or causing the football team to lose 5 star recruits!

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:2 kids just got expelled for exercising their freedom of speech. WTH?

Do you know what freedom of speech means? The boys were not arrested...that's all you need to know.
Please walk into your manager's office and call him a fu*king idiot. You won't get arrested but you will probably get fired.

You need to rethink your insults, here. In this case it is government and it is potentially infringing on their free speech rights.

What? My kid goes to a public HS (government by your definition) and he damn sure would get expelled for singing a racist song on the school bus. Thinkgs like this are prohibited in the student handbook. So are you saying the public school students cannot be suspended or expelled for hate speech? Is that your position? LOL

Look, I know SOME of you think that this was some little drunken prank and that these boys deserve a pass, but these guys should be expelled for the sake of OU and their own safety. Because if they are not, what message are you sending to your student body? What message are you sending to potential applicants of any race? Like it or not, this is as much about OU's brand as it is anything else. OU competes with other schools in that part of country - OSU, KSU, JU, UT for students and endowment money. It's a business folks. Like people have told you, say what you want. But when what you say negatively impacts the bottom line, you are likely to be shown the door.

So much for the Conservative mantra of personal accountability.

+1 OU already lost a top football recruit as a result of this. Athletics is were the money is.

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Even the frat Mom (granny) is on video singing n*****

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I'm a white male. I think it is a really bad video and if I were on the bus, even if I was a drunk 20 year old, I think I would have had enough sense to tell them to STFU with that stuff. I also know that when I was that age, we made it a point to be as offensive as possible to one another. Jokes about everything under the sun that, if filmed, would look really bad today. And my fraternity was fairly diverse of different races, ethnicities and religions. We didn't talk that way to hurt anyone else, we just did it to be obnoxious. That said, I am not defending it because I think that kind of speech needs to stop for a lot of reasons. But I don't think they would sing that song to hurt anyone and I don't necessarily think it means these are evil kids with no futures.

The lesson is that there is no expectation for privacy.

My question is if the outrage is really sincere, or if we are just looking for things to be outraged about?