lahoma Fraternity Caught Gleefully Singing a Racist Chant

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Who cares really? Yes there are immature fools out there of all races. Does that affect you?

Yes, it does. I am an Asian and should I not care when AA are being targeted? It was not a racist individual who was being an immature fool, these were young adults in an institute of higher learning who were following the "tradition" and "doctrines" of their fraternity. If that is not a cause for concern, I do not know what is?.

That the racism is so pervasive, accepted and flaunted, makes me as a minority also feel threatened and unsafe. I think not only AA athletes boycott this institution, but all minorities should also avoid this place.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who cares really? Yes there are immature fools out there of all races. Does that affect you?

Yes, it does. I am an Asian and should I not care when AA are being targeted? It was not a racist individual who was being an immature fool, these were young adults in an institute of higher learning who were following the "tradition" and "doctrines" of their fraternity. If that is not a cause for concern, I do not know what is?.

That the racism is so pervasive, accepted and flaunted, makes me as a minority also feel threatened and unsafe. I think not only AA athletes boycott this institution, but all minorities should also avoid this place.

Yes and these people that take this cavalier attitude are part of the problem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who cares really? Yes there are immature fools out there of all races. Does that affect you?

Yes, it does. I am an Asian and should I not care when AA are being targeted? It was not a racist individual who was being an immature fool, these were young adults in an institute of higher learning who were following the "tradition" and "doctrines" of their fraternity. If that is not a cause for concern, I do not know what is?.

That the racism is so pervasive, accepted and flaunted, makes me as a minority also feel threatened and unsafe. I think not only AA athletes boycott this institution, but all minorities should also avoid this place.

Exactly, as an AA, I am never ok with racist stuff against ANY minority. I know that the next person they will be coming for is ME!

[Anonymous]

yeah a bunch of white kids singing a song about hanging n*ggers and not wanting them in their fraternity is just being young and dumb.

whats the explanation for it 50 years ago when it was happening? just a hiccup or bad day in america? we solved it by passing a quick little law and now everything is fine and dandy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I do hope, since they expelled students, they are cracking down on all sorts of 'hate speech' and will expel minorities for saying things about white people and will expel gay people or transgendered people for saying things as well.

So long as the hate speech policy is upheld evenly and fairly, expel away.

I am sure, if there is a video of minorities and gays talking about lynching whites, they will. I am AA and most AAs don't go around singing songs about hurting whites. Most of us really don't talk about you at all.

But they didn't:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/03/10/blurred-lines-between-divestment-and-anti-semitism-on-college-campuses/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who cares really? Yes there are immature fools out there of all races. Does that affect you?

Yes, it does. I am an Asian and should I not care when AA are being targeted? It was not a racist individual who was being an immature fool, these were young adults in an institute of higher learning who were following the "tradition" and "doctrines" of their fraternity. If that is not a cause for concern, I do not know what is?.

That the racism is so pervasive, accepted and flaunted, makes me as a minority also feel threatened and unsafe. I think not only AA athletes boycott this institution, but all minorities should also avoid this place.

Exactly, as an AA, I am never ok with racist stuff against ANY minority. I know that the next person they will be coming for is ME!

And they come for you in the guise of policymakers. They sit on courtroom benches. They sit in human resources. These are your "immature fools out there." And yes, it does and will affect you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:every time these silly things happen, someone has to scream freedom of speech.

learn what the hell freedom of speech is before you just go running saying something you obviously have no understanding of. its embarrassing.

someone getting fired, kicked out of school, or kicked out of anything is not violating anyone's freedom of speech. the government sending you to jail, killing you, creating a law preventing you from saying what you want is a violation.

this is really bad advice and from someone who doesn't understand constitutional law. the fact is, these dumb racist kids WOULD have a very strong argument to overturn the expulsion. but there really is no sensible reason to bring the case - to get readmitted to a shitty 2nd tier school where everyone hates you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I actually think this is a violation of the constitutional right to freedom of speech. It is a public university. Speech is in fact protected. Was it speech or conduct? If you expel for this reason, you are creating a dangerous precedence for campuses, where speech should be protected even if you find it reprehensible.

That said, why fight it if you are the student? Costs money and time, and just tells everyone you are a racist ahole.

I am not sure you guys understand that a public university can make rules that certain types of speech is prohibited on campus or at school sponsored events.

Let me make this a little easier. Do you think that students could and should sing this song at a public HS?

Speech that advocates violence or is likely to incite violence has generally been held not to be protected. If I am OU, I tell them to sue me.

Speech that "advocates" violence is indeed protected. Rather, only speech that constitutes a true threat or is likely to incite imminent illegal action is unprotected. This song does neither. No one was directly threatened, and there is no plausible reading of the facts that this song was an actual incitement to lynching.

A private university could expel them, no questions asked. A state university, however, almost certainly can't. This is not that close a call legally.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I actually think this is a violation of the constitutional right to freedom of speech. It is a public university. Speech is in fact protected. Was it speech or conduct? If you expel for this reason, you are creating a dangerous precedence for campuses, where speech should be protected even if you find it reprehensible.

That said, why fight it if you are the student? Costs money and time, and just tells everyone you are a racist ahole.

I am not sure you guys understand that a public university can make rules that certain types of speech is prohibited on campus or at school sponsored events.

Let me make this a little easier. Do you think that students could and should sing this song at a public HS?

Speech that advocates violence or is likely to incite violence has generally been held not to be protected. If I am OU, I tell them to sue me.

Speech that "advocates" violence is indeed protected. Rather, only speech that constitutes a true threat or is likely to incite imminent illegal action is unprotected. This song does neither. No one was directly threatened, and there is no plausible reading of the facts that this song was an actual incitement to lynching.

A private university could expel them, no questions asked. A state university, however, almost certainly can't. This is not that close a call legally.

Well, OU did expel them. So let's see if they want to try to get that expulsion overturned.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I actually think this is a violation of the constitutional right to freedom of speech. It is a public university. Speech is in fact protected. Was it speech or conduct? If you expel for this reason, you are creating a dangerous precedence for campuses, where speech should be protected even if you find it reprehensible.

That said, why fight it if you are the student? Costs money and time, and just tells everyone you are a racist ahole.

I am not sure you guys understand that a public university can make rules that certain types of speech is prohibited on campus or at school sponsored events.

Let me make this a little easier. Do you think that students could and should sing this song at a public HS?

Speech that advocates violence or is likely to incite violence has generally been held not to be protected. If I am OU, I tell them to sue me.

Speech that "advocates" violence is indeed protected. Rather, only speech that constitutes a true threat or is likely to incite imminent illegal action is unprotected. This song does neither. No one was directly threatened, and there is no plausible reading of the facts that this song was an actual incitement to lynching.

A private university could expel them, no questions asked. A state university, however, almost certainly can't. This is not that close a call legally.

Well, OU did expel them. So let's see if they want to try to get that expulsion overturned.

I'm not sure they have many alternatives. What other school is going to take them?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I do hope, since they expelled students, they are cracking down on all sorts of 'hate speech' and will expel minorities for saying things about white people and will expel gay people or transgendered people for saying things as well.

So long as the hate speech policy is upheld evenly and fairly, expel away.

I am sure, if there is a video of minorities and gays talking about lynching whites, they will. I am AA and most AAs don't go around singing songs about hurting whites. Most of us really don't talk about you at all.

But they didn't:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/03/10/blurred-lines-between-divestment-and-anti-semitism-on-college-campuses/

These were not minorities discriminating against a Jewish woman. No minorities were talking about lynching Jews etc. Not even a good example.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I do hope, since they expelled students, they are cracking down on all sorts of 'hate speech' and will expel minorities for saying things about white people and will expel gay people or transgendered people for saying things as well.

So long as the hate speech policy is upheld evenly and fairly, expel away.

This is the problem with hate speech codes. The kids who led this song are despicable and deserve to be expelled but it is not a good thing to expel people selectively -- so I'm not sure they should have been expelled - not because they're innocent but because it's not good for the community overall. And it's clear that activists of various kinds could be accused of hate speech, for example, critics of Israel are sometimes accused of hate speech against Jews -- even though they are criticizing Israel and not Jewish people generally.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I do hope, since they expelled students, they are cracking down on all sorts of 'hate speech' and will expel minorities for saying things about white people and will expel gay people or transgendered people for saying things as well.

So long as the hate speech policy is upheld evenly and fairly, expel away.

I am sure, if there is a video of minorities and gays talking about lynching whites, they will. I am AA and most AAs don't go around singing songs about hurting whites. Most of us really don't talk about you at all.

But they didn't:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/03/10/blurred-lines-between-divestment-and-anti-semitism-on-college-campuses/

These were not minorities discriminating against a Jewish woman. No minorities were talking about lynching Jews etc. Not even a good example.

I found the grilling of the Jewish student at UCLA to be despicable and anti-Semitic but the rest of this article makes vague statements about critics of Israel as if they're all engaging in anti-Semitism -- or as if they should stop criticizing Israel because it encourages anti-Semitism. And it's completely bizarre to say that students yelling "Allahu akbar" after a vote on the BDS campaign against Israel were anti-Semitic. "Allahu Akbar" means "God is great." Sorry, while that may have been unpleasant for people to hear, it is not remotely anti-Semitic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I actually think this is a violation of the constitutional right to freedom of speech. It is a public university. Speech is in fact protected. Was it speech or conduct? If you expel for this reason, you are creating a dangerous precedence for campuses, where speech should be protected even if you find it reprehensible.

That said, why fight it if you are the student? Costs money and time, and just tells everyone you are a racist ahole.

I am not sure you guys understand that a public university can make rules that certain types of speech is prohibited on campus or at school sponsored events.

Let me make this a little easier. Do you think that students could and should sing this song at a public HS?

Speech that advocates violence or is likely to incite violence has generally been held not to be protected. If I am OU, I tell them to sue me.

Speech that "advocates" violence is indeed protected. Rather, only speech that constitutes a true threat or is likely to incite imminent illegal action is unprotected. This song does neither. No one was directly threatened, and there is no plausible reading of the facts that this song was an actual incitement to lynching.

A private university could expel them, no questions asked. A state university, however, almost certainly can't. This is not that close a call legally.

Well, OU did expel them. So let's see if they want to try to get that expulsion overturned.

I'm not sure they have many alternatives. What other school is going to take them?

I am sure some school like Oral Roberts or Liberty might take them to prove a point.

But if I were them, I would not want to go back on OU's campus.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dumb kids. Suspend the frat for a semester.

Does anyone monitor the hate speech of black youths with similar intensity or do we only play "gotcha" with white boys these days?

Only whites can be racist

Whites created a lot of racism. Africans and Native Americans welcomed Europeans into their homelands and we see how that turned out. I do think whites are more racist than any other race to be honest.