lahoma Fraternity Caught Gleefully Singing a Racist Chant

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I do hope, since they expelled students, they are cracking down on all sorts of 'hate speech' and will expel minorities for saying things about white people and will expel gay people or transgendered people for saying things as well.

So long as the hate speech policy is upheld evenly and fairly, expel away.

I am sure, if there is a video of minorities and gays talking about lynching whites, they will. I am AA and most AAs don't go around singing songs about hurting whites. Most of us really don't talk about you at all.

But they didn't:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/03/10/blurred-lines-between-divestment-and-anti-semitism-on-college-campuses/

These were not minorities discriminating against a Jewish woman. No minorities were talking about lynching Jews etc. Not even a good example.

It's an excellent example. Keep reading about the nasty remarks, graffiti, etc. That's hate-speech. No expulsions. You don't get to qualify like you are. Either it is hate speech or it isn't.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I do hope, since they expelled students, they are cracking down on all sorts of 'hate speech' and will expel minorities for saying things about white people and will expel gay people or transgendered people for saying things as well.

So long as the hate speech policy is upheld evenly and fairly, expel away.

This is the problem with hate speech codes. The kids who led this song are despicable and deserve to be expelled but it is not a good thing to expel people selectively -- so I'm not sure they should have been expelled - not because they're innocent but because it's not good for the community overall. And it's clear that activists of various kinds could be accused of hate speech, for example, critics of Israel are sometimes accused of hate speech against Jews -- even though they are criticizing Israel and not Jewish people generally.

The article I posted showed how the comments about Israel did indeed translate to Jews. So there have been problems like that and those students were not expelled. You are correct in what you say above.

[Anonymous]

African American men/women used to be hanged, tortured and burned alive while white families enjoyed picnic lunches and a festival-like atmosphere.

These OU students were smiling, they were jovial, they were happy..this makes them feel good. This is ok to them.

They are only sorry because they got caught.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I actually think this is a violation of the constitutional right to freedom of speech. It is a public university. Speech is in fact protected. Was it speech or conduct? If you expel for this reason, you are creating a dangerous precedence for campuses, where speech should be protected even if you find it reprehensible.

That said, why fight it if you are the student? Costs money and time, and just tells everyone you are a racist ahole.

I am not sure you guys understand that a public university can make rules that certain types of speech is prohibited on campus or at school sponsored events.

Let me make this a little easier. Do you think that students could and should sing this song at a public HS?

Speech that advocates violence or is likely to incite violence has generally been held not to be protected. If I am OU, I tell them to sue me.

Speech that "advocates" violence is indeed protected. Rather, only speech that constitutes a true threat or is likely to incite imminent illegal action is unprotected. This song does neither. No one was directly threatened, and there is no plausible reading of the facts that this song was an actual incitement to lynching.

A private university could expel them, no questions asked. A state university, however, almost certainly can't. This is not that close a call legally.

Correct.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I do hope, since they expelled students, they are cracking down on all sorts of 'hate speech' and will expel minorities for saying things about white people and will expel gay people or transgendered people for saying things as well.

So long as the hate speech policy is upheld evenly and fairly, expel away.

I am sure, if there is a video of minorities and gays talking about lynching whites, they will. I am AA and most AAs don't go around singing songs about hurting whites. Most of us really don't talk about you at all.

But they didn't:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/03/10/blurred-lines-between-divestment-and-anti-semitism-on-college-campuses/

These were not minorities discriminating against a Jewish woman. No minorities were talking about lynching Jews etc. Not even a good example.

It's an excellent example. Keep reading about the nasty remarks, graffiti, etc. That's hate-speech. No expulsions. You don't get to qualify like you are. Either it is hate speech or it isn't.

Anyone who uses Fox as a "news" source is shady

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I do hope, since they expelled students, they are cracking down on all sorts of 'hate speech' and will expel minorities for saying things about white people and will expel gay people or transgendered people for saying things as well.

So long as the hate speech policy is upheld evenly and fairly, expel away.

I am sure, if there is a video of minorities and gays talking about lynching whites, they will. I am AA and most AAs don't go around singing songs about hurting whites. Most of us really don't talk about you at all.

But they didn't:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/03/10/blurred-lines-between-divestment-and-anti-semitism-on-college-campuses/

These were not minorities discriminating against a Jewish woman. No minorities were talking about lynching Jews etc. Not even a good example.

It's an excellent example. Keep reading about the nasty remarks, graffiti, etc. That's hate-speech. No expulsions. You don't get to qualify like you are. Either it is hate speech or it isn't.

Anyone who uses Fox as a "news" source is shady

Whether or not you consider Fox a valid news source, the story is true. Is it not being publicized on CNN and MSNBC? This story was really disturbing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I do hope, since they expelled students, they are cracking down on all sorts of 'hate speech' and will expel minorities for saying things about white people and will expel gay people or transgendered people for saying things as well.

So long as the hate speech policy is upheld evenly and fairly, expel away.

I am sure, if there is a video of minorities and gays talking about lynching whites, they will. I am AA and most AAs don't go around singing songs about hurting whites. Most of us really don't talk about you at all.

But they didn't:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/03/10/blurred-lines-between-divestment-and-anti-semitism-on-college-campuses/

These were not minorities discriminating against a Jewish woman. No minorities were talking about lynching Jews etc. Not even a good example.

It's an excellent example. Keep reading about the nasty remarks, graffiti, etc. That's hate-speech. No expulsions. You don't get to qualify like you are. Either it is hate speech or it isn't.

Anyone who uses Fox as a "news" source is shady

Lol. Shoot the messenger.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I actually think this is a violation of the constitutional right to freedom of speech. It is a public university. Speech is in fact protected. Was it speech or conduct? If you expel for this reason, you are creating a dangerous precedence for campuses, where speech should be protected even if you find it reprehensible.

That said, why fight it if you are the student? Costs money and time, and just tells everyone you are a racist ahole.

I am not sure you guys understand that a public university can make rules that certain types of speech is prohibited on campus or at school sponsored events.

Let me make this a little easier. Do you think that students could and should sing this song at a public HS?

Speech that advocates violence or is likely to incite violence has generally been held not to be protected. If I am OU, I tell them to sue me.

Speech that "advocates" violence is indeed protected. Rather, only speech that constitutes a true threat or is likely to incite imminent illegal action is unprotected. This song does neither. No one was directly threatened, and there is no plausible reading of the facts that this song was an actual incitement to lynching.

A private university could expel them, no questions asked. A state university, however, almost certainly can't. This is not that close a call legally.

Correct.

Fine. Reinstate them. Now that people on campus know who they are, let them face other students on campus and in class everyday - including AA students. Because your legal analysis may be correct, that their speech is protected. What they are not protected from are some of the other consequences - namely that will likely be viewed a public pariahs by other students and faculty. I think that THOSE consequences will have more impact on them than making them leave. If I were them, I would NOT to go back.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
I do hope, since they expelled students, they are cracking down on all sorts of 'hate speech' and will expel minorities for saying things about white people and will expel gay people or transgendered people for saying things as well.

So long as the hate speech policy is upheld evenly and fairly, expel away.


I am sure, if there is a video of minorities and gays talking about lynching whites, they will. I am AA and most AAs don't go around singing songs about hurting whites. Most of us really don't talk about you at all.


But they didn't:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/03/10/blurred-lines...-semitism-on-college-campuses/


These were not minorities discriminating against a Jewish woman. No minorities were talking about lynching Jews etc. Not even a good example.


It's an excellent example. Keep reading about the nasty remarks, graffiti, etc. That's hate-speech. No expulsions. You don't get to qualify like you are. Either it is hate speech or it isn't.


Anyone who uses Fox as a "news" source is shady



Whether or not you consider Fox a valid news source, the story is true. Is it not being publicized on CNN and MSNBC? This story

No one can not consider fox a valid news source. There is a disinvestment in Israel movement on college campuses. Outside group have gotten involved and now Israel is a very contentious topic on many colleges campuses. This has manifested into there are no difference between Israel and Jews on one side and the other side sees anyone questioning Israel as antisemitic. Unfortunately it's to the point where neither side is listening to the other side and there is money to be made by stirring the pot...that's where fox comes in. The fox story is very misleading. The students were concern about keeping in place the disinvestment policy against Israel and in support of the Palestinian.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I do hope, since they expelled students, they are cracking down on all sorts of 'hate speech' and will expel minorities for saying things about white people and will expel gay people or transgendered people for saying things as well.

So long as the hate speech policy is upheld evenly and fairly, expel away.

I am sure, if there is a video of minorities and gays talking about lynching whites, they will. I am AA and most AAs don't go around singing songs about hurting whites. Most of us really don't talk about you at all.

But they didn't:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/03/10/blurred-lines-between-divestment-and-anti-semitism-on-college-campuses/

These were not minorities discriminating against a Jewish woman. No minorities were talking about lynching Jews etc. Not even a good example.

It's an excellent example. Keep reading about the nasty remarks, graffiti, etc. That's hate-speech. No expulsions. You don't get to qualify like you are. Either it is hate speech or it isn't.

The woman who is the subject of the article was in fact confirmed with a 9-0 vote, which means that all of the people who might have discriminated against her did not deny her the position she was seeking. The student government also unanimously passed an Jewish anti discrimination resolution.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Who cares really? Yes there are immature fools out there of all races. Does that affect you?

Yes, it does. I am an Asian and should I not care when AA are being targeted? It was not a racist individual who was being an immature fool, these were young adults in an institute of higher learning who were following the "tradition" and "doctrines" of their fraternity. If that is not a cause for concern, I do not know what is?.

That the racism is so pervasive, accepted and flaunted, makes me as a minority also feel threatened and unsafe. I think not only AA athletes boycott this institution, but all minorities should also avoid this place.

Exactly, as an AA, I am never ok with racist stuff against ANY minority. I know that the next person they will be coming for is ME!

And they come for you in the guise of policymakers. They sit on courtroom benches. They sit in human resources. These are your "immature fools out there." And yes, it does and will affect you.

What is galling is that how very immoral this was has not even registered with the apologists. Their sense of right and wrong is that skewed!

[Anonymous]

Did theses guys get locked out of school?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Did theses guys get locked out of school?

I think you meant "kicked out" of "school" or maybe "expelled from the university."