OK, and you still haven't shown any illegal discrimination against Asians. But your crystal ball is proof that there will be some ban of race as a factor in college admissions. OK. |
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Anonymous wrote: I would have gotten into TJ probably, but had no interest in going (white girl). I have my friends at my school, I'm comfortable moving on with them, and I am as interested in non-STEM subjects as STEM. Also, I have a friend who left TJ after the first year because she said there was no social life. Anyway, that was a few years ago. I got into Harvard, so clearly wasn't slacking at my home school. Calling people lazy because they don't think TJ is the best school for everyone is silly. Just because you got into Harvard that doesn't mean you would have probably gotten into TJ. Maybe you were a legacy, development case, recruited athlete or lucky. TJ grads that move onto Harvard say Harvard is academically easier than TJ. TJ apparently does not have a cap on Asians but Harvard does. Asians are capped at about 16 to 18% year after year even though the number of Asian applicants probably doubled in the last 10 years. Harvard would be 60% Asians if it did not have quotas on Asians. Also, your friend saying there is no social life at TJ doesn't mean there is no social life for others. Maybe she thought the academics were too rigorous and wanted less challenging environment. I am sure she didn't say on the application her main priority was an active "social life" but to challenge her self with rigorous STEM courses and participate in scientific discovery. You know, the usual stuff that goes on the application and the SIS. So, for her to say she left because of no social life is disingenuous. No one is saying people who do not think TJ is the best school are lazy. We are all entitled to our opinions. However, it is a fact that less whites are applying and this has been significant for the last 5 or 6 years. The likely reasons were put forth as : 1) I do not want to go to school with bunch of Asians where Asians are the majority (racist attitude), 2) I do not want to study too hard and still only manage to be above average or average in all likelihood (Not very capable/lazy or both). No, wasn't legacy or any other "hook". Lots of kids who get into TJ don't get into Harvard. And i am pretty sure my scores would have gotten me in. Did the test and then changed my mind. Regardless, not saying it's not a great school. It is. Just not the best choice for every qualified applicant. And that doesn't make them lazy. And your logic doesn't hold. There is nothing disingenuous about saying one left TJ because it lacked a suitable social scene for that person. It was one person's experience, and you have no reason to doubt it. Love the psychic power you have that Harvard would be 60percent Asian if there were no quotas.
Few observations about the above post: 1) You said "I would have gotten into TJ" not "I was qualified." There are over 2,400 applicants who thought they were qualified but were rejected. There is a big difference between I would have gotten in and I was qualified. You should be able to remember what you said. Don't backpedal now. 2) You already said you were "(white girl)" in the original post so why say you are not URM? You already said you were not URM. Again, you should be able to remember what you said. 3) You brought up the fact that you were not URM and then proceed to say "so don't bother with that tired old argument". The replying poster is mocking you by using the same phrase you have used. I hope you can see that but it looks like you don't see it. 4) You brought up the URM argument just to "tear them down" in the first place and then you attack the replying poster who has used that same point to mock you and you attack your own silly argument not even aware you used it first and that silly argument was used against you. You need better glasses or improve your reading comprehension ability. I hope it's the former. |
The under-representation of black (by a factor of 5) and Hispanic (by a factor of 8!) students will undoubtedly not go unnoticed by DOE's Office of Civil Rights. It will be interesting, and potentially hugely embarrassing to see how that investigation is ultimately resolved. |
FCPS tries desperately to admit more blacks and Hispanics by tweaking the admissions process every few years but all they end up is more unprepared students being admitted. |
I agree that a kid who needs to work, work, work every minute to keep up at TJ probably doesn't belong there. But what concerns me are the kids who work, work, work, by taking classes every summer so that they can be, say, three grades ahead in math instead of two (or be advanced in some other way). To me, this is a kid who needs a little more balance in his/her life and probably isn't all that interesting of a person, since they haven't had time to develop that side of their personality. |
OK, let's see if I can make even you understand this. 1) Did you see how I said "probably"? Not backpedaling. It's in there from the beginning. Of course I can't know for sure, but I know that my scores were well above what usually people report for admitted students. 2) You are correct that I stated two things that indicated not being a URM. That's because people like yourself don't read very carefully, so it sometimes helps to repeat things where they're relevant. 3) Yes, I did see that the responding poster used the same phrase I did. I didn't see that there was any reason to note that. It didn't make any point -- they were just trying to be cute (and failing, but that's fine). 4) No, I didn't bring up the URM argument to tear it down. What PP did was to pretend I argued something I didn't argue (specifically, that I was more worthy than other students who did NOT get into Harvard) and then proceeded to respond to that argument. I did not pretend anyone made the URM argument to me. I simply anticipated and dismissed that argument as it wasn't relevant to the facts at hand. Read quite well, thanks! Not concerned about your opinion, as you seem spectacularly unqualified to offer one. |
Also, why are you so invested in the position that I'm arguing against? All I said is that it's entirely possible for a kid who is capable of getting into TJ and doing the work and is NOT lazy to decide it's not a good choice for him/her. What's your problem with that? You're just determined that the reason fewer white people are applying is that we're lazy? |
Than explain why an Hispanic girl with 44M/39V GPA 3.9 was rejected. The actual rejection reason was that she didn't have enough extra curricular activities. Babysitting siblings after school didn't show enough "passion for math and sciences". |
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Wow, talk about discrimination based on SES! Some kids have to watch siblings instead of going to math camp. That's awful. |
The numbers do not support a claim of desperate efforts, much less meaningful results. Black Class of 2016 - 235 applied, 7 admitted. Class of 2017 - 199 applied, 5 admitted. Class of 2018 - 177 applied, 10 admitted. Hispanic Class of 2016 - 285 applied, 13 admitted. Class of 2017 - 253 applied, 15 admitted. Class of 2018 - 214 applied, 8(!) admitted.
The admission rates for poor students as a group is stunning. Class of 2016 - 402 applied, 6 admitted. Class of 2017 - 314 applied, 5 admitted. Class of 2018 - 230(!) applied, 4 admitted. 28% of FCPS kids are FARMs kids. 0.8% of the TJ class of 2018 are FARMs kids. As dismal as the admission numbers are, the application number trend is worse. Black and Hispanic applications down 25% in only two years. FARMs applications down a whopping 43% over the same span. Those numbers are troubling. |
It's not just Hispanics but all groups such as blacks, Asians whites are affected. In the past, there were many postings of applicants from all different races with scores over 95 (combined) and GPAs of 3.9 to 4.0 (without the bump) and excellent ECs being rejected. This was mostly due to too much emphasis being put on subjective factors such as essays, SIS and teacher recommendations. The new system that is implemented this year is not any better since the process is "holistic' evaluation meaning the committee reviews everything and then subjectively decides who they will admit without having to justify their decisions. The only way to make the process objective and fair is to use only the exam scores and GPAs as was the case prior to 2006. All qualified blacks, Hispanics, Asians, whites will be admitted if they can demonstrate qualifications objectively. |
Why did FCPS change things in 2006? Is that also when they changed "GT" to "AAP"? |
This sounds like BS from someone who has an axe grind against TJ. They're bending over backwards to admit Hispanics and, to a lesser extent, girls. |
All 8 of them? |