how many of us did not see close MAGA family members this holiday season?

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. There is hurt that is deeper than just them being MAGA. Last spring my spouse who is a high ranking fed came very close to losing his job during all the DOGE insanity (and did lose more than 100 direct reports) and my dad said they were all redundant because well, Fox News told him so. We had a huge blow up over this.
And perhaps the most toxic part is that they every time we're with my parents we're handed a long, typed out letter about how we are going to hell. My parents have always been religious but in their old age it's been escalated to deep fear of eternal damnation. The letters ares all about how they fear for our souls and at holiday gatherings (for the past 2-3 years) before eating we have to listen to a 30 minute talk about it all. In the context of the MAGA beliefs this is just all too much. Their political beliefs make them about the least Jesus-like people we know and yet they never shut up about their faith. I just can't.

This is abuse, full stop. You don’t owe people like this anything, not even if they birthed you, and ESPECIALLY if they birthed you. Family owes you more care, not less.

By keeping your distance, maybe you can salvage a decent memory after they’re gone, remember them from a time when they presumably weren’t such nasty horrible creatures. My heart is with you. It’s time to start mourning them as if they’re already gone.

Apple doesn't fall from the tree. PP's children will say the same about them 30 years from now.

Oh look. Nasty grandma found the thread.

What a horrible (and unfounded) thing to say. Shame on you.

I’m not a grandmother nor MAGA, but that is a reasonable possibility. Children learn behavior from their parents. All these people who have cut their parents off over political differences are teaching their kids that sort of tantrum-like behavior is acceptable. And it is indeed likely to be repeated.

So if your parents told you at length that your NIH physician researcher husband deserved to lose his federal job as he was a waste of taxpayer's money you would just call them up the next week and talk about the weather?

We are told all the time by leftists that tech people deserve to lose their jobs to H1Bs, and that service jobs should be done by the undocumented

Really? Please feel free to link to those exact statements.

All you have to do is look at the voting patterns and protests. Democrats in Congress vote no to any sort of ID that would determine whether someone is illegally here. Lots of states won’t allow a business to check or act on it. So many of you don’t like ICE doing their jobs. Y’all are now supporting a man who literally ran over his own people with military vehicles and has held a country hostage by appointing himself leader. It’s completely baffling to me how someone can hate Trump over a man who has done such evil things. You all surmise Trump has done evil things but can never actually prove it. The outrage is laughable at this point.

What?!?! Trump started awful rumors about Haitians in Ohio during the election. As a result, bomb threats were made to schools in that area. This is just one of many horrid examples.

Wake up.

Equivalent to running people over with trucks of course…

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. There is hurt that is deeper than just them being MAGA. Last spring my spouse who is a high ranking fed came very close to losing his job during all the DOGE insanity (and did lose more than 100 direct reports) and my dad said they were all redundant because well, Fox News told him so. We had a huge blow up over this.
And perhaps the most toxic part is that they every time we're with my parents we're handed a long, typed out letter about how we are going to hell. My parents have always been religious but in their old age it's been escalated to deep fear of eternal damnation. The letters ares all about how they fear for our souls and at holiday gatherings (for the past 2-3 years) before eating we have to listen to a 30 minute talk about it all. In the context of the MAGA beliefs this is just all too much. Their political beliefs make them about the least Jesus-like people we know and yet they never shut up about their faith. I just can't.

This is abuse, full stop. You don’t owe people like this anything, not even if they birthed you, and ESPECIALLY if they birthed you. Family owes you more care, not less.

By keeping your distance, maybe you can salvage a decent memory after they’re gone, remember them from a time when they presumably weren’t such nasty horrible creatures. My heart is with you. It’s time to start mourning them as if they’re already gone.

Apple doesn't fall from the tree. PP's children will say the same about them 30 years from now.

Oh look. Nasty grandma found the thread.

What a horrible (and unfounded) thing to say. Shame on you.

I’m not a grandmother nor MAGA, but that is a reasonable possibility. Children learn behavior from their parents. All these people who have cut their parents off over political differences are teaching their kids that sort of tantrum-like behavior is acceptable. And it is indeed likely to be repeated.

+ 1 million

Again, as has been pointed out, no one has proposed stepping away from family over political differences. We are talking about maga as a hate group. It’s no different than if your relative was in the Klan or an antisemite.

Family like that deserves to be ostracized. It’s no one’s job to babysit emotionally immature relatives.

I’m the PP and I am sorry, but you sound completely insane to me. You are seriously saying that anyone who voted for Trump is equivalent to a KKK member? That is not grounded in any sort of reality.

It seems you have a reading comprehension problem. No one here has said they cut off family members for voting republican. There is a portion of MAGA that is definitely a hate group similar to KKK. If you don’t know this then you have your head in the sand.

Oh, so you are fine with people voting for Trump then?

DP, Only if it was in 2016. Perhaps ignorance in that case. In 2020 or FFS in 2024. No. There is no justification for that level of gullibility or evil.

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Anonymous wrote:I have not spoken to my 83 and 82 year old parents for 9 months because they are fully in the MAGA cult.
We live in DC and our lives, jobs and income have been personally impacted by this administration.
We did not call them or see them this holiday season for the first time in my 51 years. My brother was the same.

Anyone else? I pretend to not care but it's just awful.

you are garbage

You are garbage.

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All you have to do is look at the voting patterns and protests. Democrats in Congress vote no to any sort of ID that would determine whether someone is illegally here. Lots of states won’t allow a business to check or act on it. So many of you don’t like ICE doing their jobs. Y’all are now supporting a man who literally ran over his own people with military vehicles and has held a country hostage by appointing himself leader. It’s completely baffling to me how someone can hate Trump over a man who has done such evil things. You all surmise Trump has done evil things but can never actually prove it. The outrage is laughable at this point.

So now you want people to carry "papers?"

That is a Nazi/communist/Authoritarian thing.

History matters.

You already do. Driver’s license, registration are just a couple

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All you have to do is look at the voting patterns and protests. Democrats in Congress vote no to any sort of ID that would determine whether someone is illegally here. Lots of states won’t allow a business to check or act on it. So many of you don’t like ICE doing their jobs. Y’all are now supporting a man who literally ran over his own people with military vehicles and has held a country hostage by appointing himself leader. It’s completely baffling to me how someone can hate Trump over a man who has done such evil things. You all surmise Trump has done evil things but can never actually prove it. The outrage is laughable at this point.

So now you want people to carry "papers?"

That is a Nazi/communist/Authoritarian thing.

History matters.

We have to show papers to enroll kids in school, to get utility service, to drive cars get a mortgage, rent an apartment, buy alcohol, see a doctor, etc. is that a Nazi thing?

No.

Does that answer your stupid question?

You don’t see the difference?

Man, our educational system has failed. Or, the educational system of whatever country you are posting from.

Yet undocumented got mortgages, payday loans, get medical treatment at hospitals, etc.

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All you have to do is look at the voting patterns and protests. Democrats in Congress vote no to any sort of ID that would determine whether someone is illegally here. Lots of states won’t allow a business to check or act on it. So many of you don’t like ICE doing their jobs. Y’all are now supporting a man who literally ran over his own people with military vehicles and has held a country hostage by appointing himself leader. It’s completely baffling to me how someone can hate Trump over a man who has done such evil things. You all surmise Trump has done evil things but can never actually prove it. The outrage is laughable at this point.

So now you want people to carry "papers?"

That is a Nazi/communist/Authoritarian thing.

History matters.

You already do. Driver’s license, registration are just a couple

We have never been required to carry papers for just walking down the street.

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All you have to do is look at the voting patterns and protests. Democrats in Congress vote no to any sort of ID that would determine whether someone is illegally here. Lots of states won’t allow a business to check or act on it. So many of you don’t like ICE doing their jobs. Y’all are now supporting a man who literally ran over his own people with military vehicles and has held a country hostage by appointing himself leader. It’s completely baffling to me how someone can hate Trump over a man who has done such evil things. You all surmise Trump has done evil things but can never actually prove it. The outrage is laughable at this point.

So now you want people to carry "papers?"

That is a Nazi/communist/Authoritarian thing.

History matters.

You already do. Driver’s license, registration are just a couple

We have never been required to carry papers for just walking down the street.

But you need one if you want to establish a bank account, cash a check, wire money overseas or virtually any interaction with the financial system or apply for governmental benefits/interact with a governmental entity.

It is possible to legally live life without one, but your options are highly limited.

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All you have to do is look at the voting patterns and protests. Democrats in Congress vote no to any sort of ID that would determine whether someone is illegally here. Lots of states won’t allow a business to check or act on it. So many of you don’t like ICE doing their jobs. Y’all are now supporting a man who literally ran over his own people with military vehicles and has held a country hostage by appointing himself leader. It’s completely baffling to me how someone can hate Trump over a man who has done such evil things. You all surmise Trump has done evil things but can never actually prove it. The outrage is laughable at this point.

So now you want people to carry "papers?"

That is a Nazi/communist/Authoritarian thing.

History matters.

We have to show papers to enroll kids in school, to get utility service, to drive cars get a mortgage, rent an apartment, buy alcohol, see a doctor, etc. is that a Nazi thing?

No.

Does that answer your stupid question?

You don’t see the difference?

Man, our educational system has failed. Or, the educational system of whatever country you are posting from.

Yet undocumented got mortgages, payday loans, get medical treatment at hospitals, etc.

+1 and a fingerprint background check and SS# to volunteer in.public schools (except for poorly run schools in Newport News, VA)

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Anonymous wrote:I have not spoken to my 83 and 82 year old parents for 9 months because they are fully in the MAGA cult.
We live in DC and our lives, jobs and income have been personally impacted by this administration.
We did not call them or see them this holiday season for the first time in my 51 years. My brother was the same.

Anyone else? I pretend to not care but it's just awful.

NP. You are a truly awful person, but your kids will do the same to you when you are elderly.

I’m not remotely MAGA either, just not in the blue cult like you are.

There is no blue cult. If there were, there would be biden hats, biden signs and the like. We never saw any of that.

"Believe the Science" they scream as they oppress you.
"There's no scientific basis" they scream when you point out their lies.

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Anonymous wrote:When they die, I hope you regret it for the rest of your petty life.

BTW, thoughts on Trump will fade away in ten years or less. No one thinks about GWB today.

Stay petulant.

You must be MAGA - hateful disgusting people, the lot of you, wishing pain on anyone who doesn’t think like you.

Wow, the irony considering the topic of this thread. You have zero self-awareness.
NP

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Anonymous wrote:When they die, I hope you regret it for the rest of your petty life.

BTW, thoughts on Trump will fade away in ten years or less. No one thinks about GWB today.

Stay petulant.

You must be MAGA - hateful disgusting people, the lot of you, wishing pain on anyone who doesn’t think like you.

Wow, the irony considering the topic of this thread. You have zero self-awareness.
NP

Your post makes no sense. Talk about lack of self-awareness.

This thread is about avoiding toxic people who, in this case, happen to have their MAGA nonsense as part of that toxicity. Avoiding people who treat you like crap and are jerks, even when they are relatives, is not equal to wishing pain on anyone who does not think like you. These are vastly different things.

But we know logic, reason, decency, and critical thinking are not part of the MAGA way of life.

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Anonymous wrote:When they die, I hope you regret it for the rest of your petty life.

BTW, thoughts on Trump will fade away in ten years or less. No one thinks about GWB today.

Stay petulant.

You must be MAGA - hateful disgusting people, the lot of you, wishing pain on anyone who doesn’t think like you.

Wow, the irony considering the topic of this thread. You have zero self-awareness.
NP

Your post makes no sense. Talk about lack of self-awareness.

This thread is about avoiding toxic people who, in this case, happen to have their MAGA nonsense as part of that toxicity. Avoiding people who treat you like crap and are jerks, even when they are relatives, is not equal to wishing pain on anyone who does not think like you. These are vastly different things.

But we know logic, reason, decency, and critical thinking are not part of the MAGA way of life.

Emotional pain is real for aging parents with cognitive and physical decline. It's not the time to cut them out of one's life over how they voted, barring physical or emotional abuse from childhood.

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OK. Here is the reality pure and simple:

Dems are not demanding to know who you voted for and then dumping you if you voted R. Not happening.

There are MAGA out there spewing their hate whether family and friends want to hear it or not. Those are the people Dems don’t want to hang with anymore.

There are MAGA out there - including people on Trump’s own cabinet like Hegseth and Miller - who are very vocal with racism and misogyny. This is a fact. And there are certain
MAGA who love to spew that hate - without being asked - at their family members.

Not all families have this situation. Many healthy families simply do not talk about this. Good for them. Unfortunately there are many families who have members spewing hurtful things and wind up being cut off.

This is not your grandparent’s politics when people could disagree about policies in a civilized manner. No. This has become about morals and values and humanity. That’s why people are comparing MAGA to hate groups like KKK.

Sorry but these are the hard cold truths. MAGA needs to face it.

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Anonymous wrote:When they die, I hope you regret it for the rest of your petty life.

BTW, thoughts on Trump will fade away in ten years or less. No one thinks about GWB today.

Stay petulant.

You must be MAGA - hateful disgusting people, the lot of you, wishing pain on anyone who doesn’t think like you.

Wow, the irony considering the topic of this thread. You have zero self-awareness.
NP

Your post makes no sense. Talk about lack of self-awareness.

This thread is about avoiding toxic people who, in this case, happen to have their MAGA nonsense as part of that toxicity. Avoiding people who treat you like crap and are jerks, even when they are relatives, is not equal to wishing pain on anyone who does not think like you. These are vastly different things.

But we know logic, reason, decency, and critical thinking are not part of the MAGA way of life.

Emotional pain is real for aging parents with cognitive and physical decline. It's not the time to cut them out of one's life over how they voted, barring physical or emotional abuse from childhood.

Or barring emotional abuse in the here and now. Have you read anything the OP has written? You are talking out of turn here. This is not simply about who you voted for. It's about patterns of abusive behavior. No one has to tolerate that, no matter how old the jerk is.

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Anonymous wrote:OK. Here is the reality pure and simple:

Dems are not demanding to know who you voted for and then dumping you if you voted R. Not happening.

There are MAGA out there spewing their hate whether family and friends want to hear it or not. Those are the people Dems don’t want to hang with anymore.

There are MAGA out there - including people on Trump’s own cabinet like Hegseth and Miller - who are very vocal with racism and misogyny. This is a fact. And there are certain
MAGA who love to spew that hate - without being asked - at their family members.

Not all families have this situation. Many healthy families simply do not talk about this. Good for them. Unfortunately there are many families who have members spewing hurtful things and wind up being cut off.

This is not your grandparent’s politics when people could disagree about policies in a civilized manner. No. This has become about morals and values and humanity. That’s why people are comparing MAGA to hate groups like KKK.

Sorry but these are the hard cold truths. MAGA needs to face it.

BINGO.