how many of us did not see close MAGA family members this holiday season?

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Anonymous wrote:I have not spoken to my 83 and 82 year old parents for 9 months because they are fully in the MAGA cult.
We live in DC and our lives, jobs and income have been personally impacted by this administration.
We did not call them or see them this holiday season for the first time in my 51 years. My brother was the same.

Anyone else? I pretend to not care but it's just awful.

you are garbage

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All you have to do is look at the voting patterns and protests. Democrats in Congress vote no to any sort of ID that would determine whether someone is illegally here. Lots of states won’t allow a business to check or act on it. So many of you don’t like ICE doing their jobs. Y’all are now supporting a man who literally ran over his own people with military vehicles and has held a country hostage by appointing himself leader. It’s completely baffling to me how someone can hate Trump over a man who has done such evil things. You all surmise Trump has done evil things but can never actually prove it. The outrage is laughable at this point.

So now you want people to carry "papers?"

That is a Nazi/communist/Authoritarian thing.

History matters.

We have to show papers to enroll kids in school, to get utility service, to drive cars get a mortgage, rent an apartment, buy alcohol, see a doctor, etc. is that a Nazi thing?

No.

Does that answer your stupid question?

You don’t see the difference?

Man, our educational system has failed. Or, the educational system of whatever country you are posting from.

You need an id for virtually every modern interaction unless you work entirely in a cash only environment thanks in part to the patriot act. Very few citizens are in that boat other than the indigent. Quite a few non citizens may work in such an economy.

Blame GWB and the GOP for that one. Easiest thing to do is just mandate free id for citizens.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have not spoken to my 83 and 82 year old parents for 9 months because they are fully in the MAGA cult.
We live in DC and our lives, jobs and income have been personally impacted by this administration.
We did not call them or see them this holiday season for the first time in my 51 years. My brother was the same.

Anyone else? I pretend to not care but it's just awful.

NP. You are a truly awful person, but your kids will do the same to you when you are elderly.

I’m not remotely MAGA either, just not in the blue cult like you are.

There is no blue cult. If there were, there would be biden hats, biden signs and the like. We never saw any of that.

There are certainty signs that some blue people show loyalty akin to sports fans.

I'd say that the difference is that those are tired to issues rather than a person.

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Anonymous wrote:I have not spoken to my 83 and 82 year old parents for 9 months because they are fully in the MAGA cult.
We live in DC and our lives, jobs and income have been personally impacted by this administration.
We did not call them or see them this holiday season for the first time in my 51 years. My brother was the same.

Anyone else? I pretend to not care but it's just awful.

you are garbage

It's very difficult to shake off one's background, upbringing, and genetics.

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Anonymous wrote:How do you question family members about their votes? That’s not the right thing to do. Do you question them about their paychecks? Their religious beliefs? You demand everyone in your family vote the way you want or you cut them off? Everyone is entitled to their vote without your input or consent.

Smart families don't talk politics. It is no one's business who you vote for. If a family member mentions Trump or Biden, ignore them and they'll shut up.

You know that's not always the case. Which is why there's this thread. Many people cross boundaries and will link even the most innocent thing (like the weather, health, a trip to the grocery store, etc.) to politics, even when they've been repeatedly asked to refrain.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. There is hurt that is deeper than just them being MAGA. Last spring my spouse who is a high ranking fed came very close to losing his job during all the DOGE insanity (and did lose more than 100 direct reports) and my dad said they were all redundant because well, Fox News told him so. We had a huge blow up over this.
And perhaps the most toxic part is that they every time we're with my parents we're handed a long, typed out letter about how we are going to hell. My parents have always been religious but in their old age it's been escalated to deep fear of eternal damnation. The letters ares all about how they fear for our souls and at holiday gatherings (for the past 2-3 years) before eating we have to listen to a 30 minute talk about it all. In the context of the MAGA beliefs this is just all too much. Their political beliefs make them about the least Jesus-like people we know and yet they never shut up about their faith. I just can't.

This is abuse, full stop. You don’t owe people like this anything, not even if they birthed you, and ESPECIALLY if they birthed you. Family owes you more care, not less.

By keeping your distance, maybe you can salvage a decent memory after they’re gone, remember them from a time when they presumably weren’t such nasty horrible creatures. My heart is with you. It’s time to start mourning them as if they’re already gone.

Apple doesn't fall from the tree. PP's children will say the same about them 30 years from now.

Oh look. Nasty grandma found the thread.

What a horrible (and unfounded) thing to say. Shame on you.

I’m not a grandmother nor MAGA, but that is a reasonable possibility. Children learn behavior from their parents. All these people who have cut their parents off over political differences are teaching their kids that sort of tantrum-like behavior is acceptable. And it is indeed likely to be repeated.

+ 1 million

Again, as has been pointed out, no one has proposed stepping away from family over political differences. We are talking about maga as a hate group. It’s no different than if your relative was in the Klan or an antisemite.

Family like that deserves to be ostracized. It’s no one’s job to babysit emotionally immature relatives.

I’m the PP and I am sorry, but you sound completely insane to me. You are seriously saying that anyone who voted for Trump is equivalent to a KKK member? That is not grounded in any sort of reality.

It seems you have a reading comprehension problem. No one here has said they cut off family members for voting republican. There is a portion of MAGA that is definitely a hate group similar to KKK. If you don’t know this then you have your head in the sand.

Oh, so you are fine with people voting for Trump then?

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. There is hurt that is deeper than just them being MAGA. Last spring my spouse who is a high ranking fed came very close to losing his job during all the DOGE insanity (and did lose more than 100 direct reports) and my dad said they were all redundant because well, Fox News told him so. We had a huge blow up over this.
And perhaps the most toxic part is that they every time we're with my parents we're handed a long, typed out letter about how we are going to hell. My parents have always been religious but in their old age it's been escalated to deep fear of eternal damnation. The letters ares all about how they fear for our souls and at holiday gatherings (for the past 2-3 years) before eating we have to listen to a 30 minute talk about it all. In the context of the MAGA beliefs this is just all too much. Their political beliefs make them about the least Jesus-like people we know and yet they never shut up about their faith. I just can't.

This is abuse, full stop. You don’t owe people like this anything, not even if they birthed you, and ESPECIALLY if they birthed you. Family owes you more care, not less.

By keeping your distance, maybe you can salvage a decent memory after they’re gone, remember them from a time when they presumably weren’t such nasty horrible creatures. My heart is with you. It’s time to start mourning them as if they’re already gone.

Apple doesn't fall from the tree. PP's children will say the same about them 30 years from now.

Oh look. Nasty grandma found the thread.

What a horrible (and unfounded) thing to say. Shame on you.

I’m not a grandmother nor MAGA, but that is a reasonable possibility. Children learn behavior from their parents. All these people who have cut their parents off over political differences are teaching their kids that sort of tantrum-like behavior is acceptable. And it is indeed likely to be repeated.

So if your parents told you at length that your NIH physician researcher husband deserved to lose his federal job as he was a waste of taxpayer's money you would just call them up the next week and talk about the weather?

I have a mentally ill relative who will say nasty, unhinged things like that. I consider it the illness speaking, and use the gray rock technique. As I don’t respond with the desired attention, that behavior doesn’t happen often to me or my young adult kids any more, as my kids have also learned to gray rock.

I did not throw a tantrum myself and cut them off.

How is that different? I have done this to family, it's essentially a you're dead to me maneuver. That family member is now dead, I win.

Maybe you are more extreme. I don’t avoid the family member and I certainly see them. I just do not engage ever in political discussion. So, I’m not satisfying.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have not spoken to my 83 and 82 year old parents for 9 months because they are fully in the MAGA cult.
We live in DC and our lives, jobs and income have been personally impacted by this administration.
We did not call them or see them this holiday season for the first time in my 51 years. My brother was the same.

Anyone else? I pretend to not care but it's just awful.

NP. You are a truly awful person, but your kids will do the same to you when you are elderly.

I’m not remotely MAGA either, just not in the blue cult like you are.

There is no blue cult. If there were, there would be biden hats, biden signs and the like. We never saw any of that.

There is 100% a blue cult but it takes more of a sloganeering, dogmatic, quasi-religious chants type of approach. The red cult is a cult of personality around Trump. The blue cult is a cult of dogma.

Different forms, but cult behavior on both sides.

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Anonymous wrote:I have not spoken to my 83 and 82 year old parents for 9 months because they are fully in the MAGA cult.
We live in DC and our lives, jobs and income have been personally impacted by this administration.
We did not call them or see them this holiday season for the first time in my 51 years. My brother was the same.

Anyone else? I pretend to not care but it's just awful.

NP. You are a truly awful person, but your kids will do the same to you when you are elderly.

I’m not remotely MAGA either, just not in the blue cult like you are.

There is no blue cult. If there were, there would be biden hats, biden signs and the like. We never saw any of that.

There is 100% a blue cult but it takes more of a sloganeering, dogmatic, quasi-religious chants type of approach. The red cult is a cult of personality around Trump. The blue cult is a cult of dogma.

Different forms, but cult behavior on both sides.

I suppose that you are right. The blue does have allegiance to morals and ethics and has certain standards.

If you want to say it’s dogma, ok.

Let’s see, what are some synonyms for dogma?

• Doctrine
• Creed
• Tenet
• Belief
• Principle
• Teaching
• Ideology
• Canon
• Article of faith
• Precept

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have not spoken to my 83 and 82 year old parents for 9 months because they are fully in the MAGA cult.
We live in DC and our lives, jobs and income have been personally impacted by this administration.
We did not call them or see them this holiday season for the first time in my 51 years. My brother was the same.

Anyone else? I pretend to not care but it's just awful.

you are garbage

MAGA is garbage

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. There is hurt that is deeper than just them being MAGA. Last spring my spouse who is a high ranking fed came very close to losing his job during all the DOGE insanity (and did lose more than 100 direct reports) and my dad said they were all redundant because well, Fox News told him so. We had a huge blow up over this.
And perhaps the most toxic part is that they every time we're with my parents we're handed a long, typed out letter about how we are going to hell. My parents have always been religious but in their old age it's been escalated to deep fear of eternal damnation. The letters ares all about how they fear for our souls and at holiday gatherings (for the past 2-3 years) before eating we have to listen to a 30 minute talk about it all. In the context of the MAGA beliefs this is just all too much. Their political beliefs make them about the least Jesus-like people we know and yet they never shut up about their faith. I just can't.

This is abuse, full stop. You don’t owe people like this anything, not even if they birthed you, and ESPECIALLY if they birthed you. Family owes you more care, not less.

By keeping your distance, maybe you can salvage a decent memory after they’re gone, remember them from a time when they presumably weren’t such nasty horrible creatures. My heart is with you. It’s time to start mourning them as if they’re already gone.

Apple doesn't fall from the tree. PP's children will say the same about them 30 years from now.

Oh look. Nasty grandma found the thread.

What a horrible (and unfounded) thing to say. Shame on you.

I’m not a grandmother nor MAGA, but that is a reasonable possibility. Children learn behavior from their parents. All these people who have cut their parents off over political differences are teaching their kids that sort of tantrum-like behavior is acceptable. And it is indeed likely to be repeated.

+ 1 million

Again, as has been pointed out, no one has proposed stepping away from family over political differences. We are talking about maga as a hate group. It’s no different than if your relative was in the Klan or an antisemite.

Family like that deserves to be ostracized. It’s no one’s job to babysit emotionally immature relatives.

I’m the PP and I am sorry, but you sound completely insane to me. You are seriously saying that anyone who voted for Trump is equivalent to a KKK member? That is not grounded in any sort of reality.

It seems you have a reading comprehension problem. No one here has said they cut off family members for voting republican. There is a portion of MAGA that is definitely a hate group similar to KKK. If you don’t know this then you have your head in the sand.

Oh, so you are fine with people voting for Trump then?

Of course not, but if a person is smart enough to keep it to themselves and it’s a close family member, there might still be hope for them.

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Anonymous wrote:I have not spoken to my 83 and 82 year old parents for 9 Imonths because they are fully in the MAGA cult.
We live in DC and our lives, jobs and income have been personally impacted by this administration.
We did not call them or see them this holiday season for the first time in my 51 years. My brother was the same.

Anyone else? I pretend to not care but it's just awful.

Not even call them? You're a real piece of work.

No not that poster however you are the "real piece of work" and anti American and a traitor and dumb. Fixed it for you.

MAGA has no idea what they have done and the rest of us should not have to be in the same country as those utterly stupid shits.

PP here. I'm not MAGA at all and can't stand Trump. I can promise you though that I loved my parents very much and would never refuse to even call them in their 80s over politics.

MAGA is not politics. Cutting off MAGA folks is about morality not politics. Do not feel guilty at all.

Keep telling yourself that it's not political and see what the end of life will bring. Trump will be long gone. Families are forever.

+1

I have family members who have done much worse than vote for Trump but I still love and support them because what misguided people need most is love and support.

We are all entitled to our feelings and choices....at least for now I'm sure MAGA GOP will find a way to silence those who are not Maga trash

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Anonymous wrote:I have not spoken to my 83 and 82 year old parents for 9 months because they are fully in the MAGA cult.
We live in DC and our lives, jobs and income have been personally impacted by this administration.
We did not call them or see them this holiday season for the first time in my 51 years. My brother was the same.

Anyone else? I pretend to not care but it's just awful.

NP. You are a truly awful person, but your kids will do the same to you when you are elderly.

I’m not remotely MAGA either, just not in the blue cult like you are.

There is no blue cult. If there were, there would be biden hats, biden signs and the like. We never saw any of that.

There is 100% a blue cult but it takes more of a sloganeering, dogmatic, quasi-religious chants type of approach. The red cult is a cult of personality around Trump. The blue cult is a cult of dogma.

Different forms, but cult behavior on both sides.

I suppose that you are right. The blue does have allegiance to morals and ethics and has certain standards.

If you want to say it’s dogma, ok.

Let’s see, what are some synonyms for dogma?

• Doctrine
• Creed
• Tenet
• Belief
• Principle
• Teaching
• Ideology
• Canon
• Article of faith
• Precept

So you are a blue cultist too, unable to see how part of the current Democratic Party has become quasi-religious and completely weird? Okay.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. There is hurt that is deeper than just them being MAGA. Last spring my spouse who is a high ranking fed came very close to losing his job during all the DOGE insanity (and did lose more than 100 direct reports) and my dad said they were all redundant because well, Fox News told him so. We had a huge blow up over this.
And perhaps the most toxic part is that they every time we're with my parents we're handed a long, typed out letter about how we are going to hell. My parents have always been religious but in their old age it's been escalated to deep fear of eternal damnation. The letters ares all about how they fear for our souls and at holiday gatherings (for the past 2-3 years) before eating we have to listen to a 30 minute talk about it all. In the context of the MAGA beliefs this is just all too much. Their political beliefs make them about the least Jesus-like people we know and yet they never shut up about their faith. I just can't.

This is abuse, full stop. You don’t owe people like this anything, not even if they birthed you, and ESPECIALLY if they birthed you. Family owes you more care, not less.

By keeping your distance, maybe you can salvage a decent memory after they’re gone, remember them from a time when they presumably weren’t such nasty horrible creatures. My heart is with you. It’s time to start mourning them as if they’re already gone.

Apple doesn't fall from the tree. PP's children will say the same about them 30 years from now.

Oh look. Nasty grandma found the thread.

What a horrible (and unfounded) thing to say. Shame on you.

I’m not a grandmother nor MAGA, but that is a reasonable possibility. Children learn behavior from their parents. All these people who have cut their parents off over political differences are teaching their kids that sort of tantrum-like behavior is acceptable. And it is indeed likely to be repeated.

So if your parents told you at length that your NIH physician researcher husband deserved to lose his federal job as he was a waste of taxpayer's money you would just call them up the next week and talk about the weather?

We are told all the time by leftists that tech people deserve to lose their jobs to H1Bs, and that service jobs should be done by the undocumented

Really? Please feel free to link to those exact statements.

All you have to do is look at the voting patterns and protests. Democrats in Congress vote no to any sort of ID that would determine whether someone is illegally here. Lots of states won’t allow a business to check or act on it. So many of you don’t like ICE doing their jobs. Y’all are now supporting a man who literally ran over his own people with military vehicles and has held a country hostage by appointing himself leader. It’s completely baffling to me how someone can hate Trump over a man who has done such evil things. You all surmise Trump has done evil things but can never actually prove it. The outrage is laughable at this point.

We have e-verify. What more is needed for businesses to be able to check to see if employees can legally work here?

Really?

E-Verify isn't universally mandatory across the U.S. for all businesses; its mandate depends on federal contracts or specific state laws, with federal contractors being an early mandatory group, and states implementing their own versions over time.

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Anonymous wrote:OP - your behavior is consistent with what research is showing.
Pretty sad, really. Are you so insecure in your positions that you are fearful of defending them?

Dude...you need to shut it. You don't understand diversity and the value of it if you are going to start comparing OP's hateful, petty, psycho-religious parents of examples of something that would...add value to a workplace?

MAGA try so very hard to twist decent and noble concepts to justify their hateful, bigoted, and intolerant ideas as worthy of tolerance. Just doesn't work that way. There are lines you don't cross. Hate, abuse, meanness for the sake of meanness. None of us have to put up with that. Ever. From anyone. And it won't improve anyone's workplace. FFS!