FCPS investigating alleged instances of staff arranging abortions for students

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Teenagers are allowed to consent to their own medical treatment. If a teacher was there to be supportive, great. That has nothing to do with FCPS. No one was coerced. These obviously weren't rich kids that would call an uber. These are the kids that need help accessing care.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is stupid. So what if a girl is pregnant and goes to her counselor for help, the counselor should just say "go talk to your momma" even though the girl knows that momma will just beat her and force her to have a baby she doesn't want? THANK YOU to the staff who helped these girls.

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No. She should have turned it over to CPS. Period. The results would likely have been the same, but the schools have no business participating in the abortion business.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Youngkin and GOP loons are all over DCUrbanMoms looking for any story that will
stick or a narrative they can sell to fear monger. Beware. They do this every election cycle. People fell for the nonsense lies and made up scandals before, don't do it again. Virginia deserves better than these loons
who see fear and hate and spread negativity.

+1

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I read/watched the WJLA reporting and the underlying reporting. Setting aside the politics and the applicable law, this reporting included:

- Two ESOL students who submitted written testimony.

- A current ESOL teacher who gave her name on the record.

On this thread I see:

- One group apparently, apparently in support of political party A, dragging the story by accusing political party B of making things up for political gain during an election season.

Ironically, political party A touts itself as the defenders of all teachers and all students, especially ESOL teachers and ESOL students. I don’t see that happening here.

Maybe take a pause from the politics and be kind to the real humans involved who put their names in the record?

Consider those real people before you smear a teacher and two students who bravely spoke out for your own political goals.

You are coming off as more concerned about FCPS as some monolithic, political institution than the students and teachers that ARE FCPS.

You are full of sht. No one is “smearing” the teachers and students.

We are calling out the political a-holes pushing this story on DCUM.

Look at 4:47:

“nonsense lies and made up scandals before, don't do it again”

Calling it nonsense lies and made up is a smear.

"Youngkin and GOP loons are all over DCUrbanMoms looking for any story that will
stick or a narrative they can sell to fear monger. Beware. They do this every election cycle. People fell for the nonsense lies and made up scandals before, don't do it again. Virginia deserves better than these loons
who see fear and hate and spread negativity."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I read/watched the WJLA reporting and the underlying reporting. Setting aside the politics and the applicable law, this reporting included:

- Two ESOL students who submitted written testimony.

- A current ESOL teacher who gave her name on the record.

On this thread I see:

- One group apparently, apparently in support of political party A, dragging the story by accusing political party B of making things up for political gain during an election season.

Ironically, political party A touts itself as the defenders of all teachers and all students, especially ESOL teachers and ESOL students. I don’t see that happening here.

Maybe take a pause from the politics and be kind to the real humans involved who put their names in the record?

Consider those real people before you smear a teacher and two students who bravely spoke out for your own political goals.

You are coming off as more concerned about FCPS as some monolithic, political institution than the students and teachers that ARE FCPS.

You are full of sht. No one is “smearing” the teachers and students.

We are calling out the political a-holes pushing this story on DCUM.

Look at 4:47:

“nonsense lies and made up scandals before, don't do it again”

Calling it nonsense lies and made up is a smear.

"Youngkin and GOP loons are all over DCUrbanMoms looking for any story that will
stick or a narrative they can sell to fear monger. Beware. They do this every election cycle. People fell for the nonsense lies and made up scandals before, don't do it again. Virginia deserves better than these loons
who see fear and hate and spread negativity."

Schools should not be involved in abortion--other than to refer to CPS. This is not political. This is real life.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I read/watched the WJLA reporting and the underlying reporting. Setting aside the politics and the applicable law, this reporting included:

- Two ESOL students who submitted written testimony.

- A current ESOL teacher who gave her name on the record.

On this thread I see:

- One group apparently, apparently in support of political party A, dragging the story by accusing political party B of making things up for political gain during an election season.

Ironically, political party A touts itself as the defenders of all teachers and all students, especially ESOL teachers and ESOL students. I don’t see that happening here.

Maybe take a pause from the politics and be kind to the real humans involved who put their names in the record?

Consider those real people before you smear a teacher and two students who bravely spoke out for your own political goals.

You are coming off as more concerned about FCPS as some monolithic, political institution than the students and teachers that ARE FCPS.

You are full of sht. No one is “smearing” the teachers and students.

We are calling out the political a-holes pushing this story on DCUM.

Look at 4:47:

“nonsense lies and made up scandals before, don't do it again”

Calling it nonsense lies and made up is a smear.

"Youngkin and GOP loons are all over DCUrbanMoms looking for any story that will
stick or a narrative they can sell to fear monger. Beware. They do this every election cycle. People fell for the nonsense lies and made up scandals before, don't do it again. Virginia deserves better than these loons
who see fear and hate and spread negativity."

+1

RWNJ trash loves to push misinformation every election cycle.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Teenagers are allowed to consent to their own medical treatment. If a teacher was there to be supportive, great. That has nothing to do with FCPS. No one was coerced. These obviously weren't rich kids that would call an uber. These are the kids that need help accessing care.

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+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is stupid. So what if a girl is pregnant and goes to her counselor for help, the counselor should just say "go talk to your momma" even though the girl knows that momma will just beat her and force her to have a baby she doesn't want? THANK YOU to the staff who helped these girls.

These girls were minors. I can't even believe someone would think like you. This is ILLEGAL - and I'm pro-choice.

Exactly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Fairfax County Public Schools (FCPS) tells 7News Reporter Nick Minock that they are launching an investigation into claims that school staff arranged abortions for students and didn’t tell their parents."

There needs to be more done than the school system investigating itself. This is wild.


https://wjla.com/news/local/student-abortions-fairfax-county-public-schools-investigation-staff-arranged-reproductive-health-fcps-centerville-high-school-minors-taxfunded-virginia-employee-parents-sex-education-regulation-2504

Why should the school counselor tell the parents? It’s none of the parents’ business.

It absolutely is the parents business and the people who did this need to be named, arrested and prosecuted.

Not if these girls were 18.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I read/watched the WJLA reporting and the underlying reporting. Setting aside the politics and the applicable law, this reporting included:

- Two ESOL students who submitted written testimony.

- A current ESOL teacher who gave her name on the record.

On this thread I see:

- One group apparently, apparently in support of political party A, dragging the story by accusing political party B of making things up for political gain during an election season.

Ironically, political party A touts itself as the defenders of all teachers and all students, especially ESOL teachers and ESOL students. I don’t see that happening here.

Maybe take a pause from the politics and be kind to the real humans involved who put their names in the record?

Consider those real people before you smear a teacher and two students who bravely spoke out for your own political goals.

You are coming off as more concerned about FCPS as some monolithic, political institution than the students and teachers that ARE FCPS.

You are full of sht. No one is “smearing” the teachers and students.

We are calling out the political a-holes pushing this story on DCUM.

Look at 4:47:

“nonsense lies and made up scandals before, don't do it again”

Calling it nonsense lies and made up is a smear.

"Youngkin and GOP loons are all over DCUrbanMoms looking for any story that will
stick or a narrative they can sell to fear monger. Beware. They do this every election cycle. People fell for the nonsense lies and made up scandals before, don't do it again. Virginia deserves better than these loons
who see fear and hate and spread negativity."

+1

RWNJ trash loves to push misinformation every election cycle.

I guess that makes you LWNJ trash? Where is your evidence that this did not happen?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So what, the staff member just helped them make an appointment somewhere? Unless they were wielding a coat hanger or forging documents, this seems like a nothing burger. The healthcare providers are the ones bound by whatever the law on parental disclosure is.

It is laughable to pretend you wouldn't be furious if a staff member "just helped" your daughter make an appointment for an abortion - regardless of your views on abortion. Stop the deliberately obtuse act.

[Anonymous]

The most serious charge isn't getting as much attention, that one of the two girls did not want the abortion and that she was coerced.

https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title18.2/chapter4/section18.2-32.2/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am still not clear exactly what it is alleged that these parents did.

There is a requirement to tell parents or legal guardians at least 24 hours before a minor has an abortion, and to get their consent notarized. But that seems to be the responsibility of the abortion provider. Of course, if the FCPS employee lied about the students' age, or counseled the student to lie, or helped them forge consent, or presented themselves as the parent, then that's probably illegal.

If the social worker paid with school funds, that's also illegal.

Transporting students anywhere is likely a violation of school policy, but not necessarily illegal.

But I am pretty sure that a student talking about abortion, has a right to confidentiality in a therapeutic relationship like that between social worker and her client. The social worker needs to break confidentiality and call CPS if there is evidence of abuse, and if they didn't that's a violation of mandated reporting laws. But otherwise, I'm not sure the social worker has the obligation to tell the parents, and their professional ethics may not allow them to tell the parents. The abortion provider was the one to tell the parents, although again, if the social worker deceived the provider about the students' age, or posed as parent, then that's a problem again.

I think more information needs to come out to know exactly which, if any, laws were broken, and by who.

Again. There are ways around it. But, the school should not have been the way. It should have been CPS.

If the social worker had reason to believe that the girl had been abused by a family member or school staff, or was at risk for abuse, then yes. But otherwise no. A 17 year old is legally able to consent to sex, and even if the sex was not consensual, that is a matter for the police not CPS barring parent/teacher involvement.

Referring a teenager over the age of consent who is asking for an abortion to a clinic that has professionals on staff with experience guiding young people through either telling their parents or getting judicial approval seems like an appropriate way to handle a situation.

Coercing a kid who doesn’t want an abortion, paying for the abortion with school funds, helping the kid misrepresent their age or whatever they did to get around parental notification — all those things are wrong. But it is not yet clear if those things happened.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am still not clear exactly what it is alleged that these parents did.

There is a requirement to tell parents or legal guardians at least 24 hours before a minor has an abortion, and to get their consent notarized. But that seems to be the responsibility of the abortion provider. Of course, if the FCPS employee lied about the students' age, or counseled the student to lie, or helped them forge consent, or presented themselves as the parent, then that's probably illegal.

If the social worker paid with school funds, that's also illegal.

Transporting students anywhere is likely a violation of school policy, but not necessarily illegal.

But I am pretty sure that a student talking about abortion, has a right to confidentiality in a therapeutic relationship like that between social worker and her client. The social worker needs to break confidentiality and call CPS if there is evidence of abuse, and if they didn't that's a violation of mandated reporting laws. But otherwise, I'm not sure the social worker has the obligation to tell the parents, and their professional ethics may not allow them to tell the parents. The abortion provider was the one to tell the parents, although again, if the social worker deceived the provider about the students' age, or posed as parent, then that's a problem again.

I think more information needs to come out to know exactly which, if any, laws were broken, and by who.

Again. There are ways around it. But, the school should not have been the way. It should have been CPS.

If the social worker had reason to believe that the girl had been abused by a family member or school staff, or was at risk for abuse, then yes. But otherwise no. A 17 year old is legally able to consent to sex, and even if the sex was not consensual, that is a matter for the police not CPS barring parent/teacher involvement.

Referring a teenager over the age of consent who is asking for an abortion to a clinic that has professionals on staff with experience guiding young people through either telling their parents or getting judicial approval seems like an appropriate way to handle a situation.

Coercing a kid who doesn’t want an abortion, paying for the abortion with school funds, helping the kid misrepresent their age or whatever they did to get around parental notification — all those things are wrong. But it is not yet clear if those things happened.

No. The school should turn it over to CPS. It is not the job of the school system.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am still not clear exactly what it is alleged that these parents did.

There is a requirement to tell parents or legal guardians at least 24 hours before a minor has an abortion, and to get their consent notarized. But that seems to be the responsibility of the abortion provider. Of course, if the FCPS employee lied about the students' age, or counseled the student to lie, or helped them forge consent, or presented themselves as the parent, then that's probably illegal.

If the social worker paid with school funds, that's also illegal.

Transporting students anywhere is likely a violation of school policy, but not necessarily illegal.

But I am pretty sure that a student talking about abortion, has a right to confidentiality in a therapeutic relationship like that between social worker and her client. The social worker needs to break confidentiality and call CPS if there is evidence of abuse, and if they didn't that's a violation of mandated reporting laws. But otherwise, I'm not sure the social worker has the obligation to tell the parents, and their professional ethics may not allow them to tell the parents. The abortion provider was the one to tell the parents, although again, if the social worker deceived the provider about the students' age, or posed as parent, then that's a problem again.

I think more information needs to come out to know exactly which, if any, laws were broken, and by who.

Again. There are ways around it. But, the school should not have been the way. It should have been CPS.

If the social worker had reason to believe that the girl had been abused by a family member or school staff, or was at risk for abuse, then yes. But otherwise no. A 17 year old is legally able to consent to sex, and even if the sex was not consensual, that is a matter for the police not CPS barring parent/teacher involvement.

Referring a teenager over the age of consent who is asking for an abortion to a clinic that has professionals on staff with experience guiding young people through either telling their parents or getting judicial approval seems like an appropriate way to handle a situation.

Coercing a kid who doesn’t want an abortion, paying for the abortion with school funds, helping the kid misrepresent their age or whatever they did to get around parental notification — all those things are wrong. But it is not yet clear if those things happened.

No. The school should turn it over to CPS. It is not the job of the school system.

You keep posting over and over about referring to CPS. Child Protective Services has no role to play in a 17 year old's pregnancy. There is nothing to report unless the 17 year old reports abuse. 17 is consenting age.

This is yet another political setup.