FCPS investigating alleged instances of staff arranging abortions for students

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Fairfax County Public Schools (FCPS) tells 7News Reporter Nick Minock that they are launching an investigation into claims that school staff arranged abortions for students and didn’t tell their parents."

There needs to be more done than the school system investigating itself. This is wild.


https://wjla.com/news/local/student-abortions-fairfax-county-public-schools-investigation-staff-arranged-reproductive-health-fcps-centerville-high-school-minors-taxfunded-virginia-employee-parents-sex-education-regulation-2504

Why should the school counselor tell the parents? It’s none of the parents’ business.

At what age does a person’s medical care stop being their parents’ business?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Fairfax County Public Schools (FCPS) tells 7News Reporter Nick Minock that they are launching an investigation into claims that school staff arranged abortions for students and didn’t tell their parents."

There needs to be more done than the school system investigating itself. This is wild.


https://wjla.com/news/local/student-abortions-fairfax-county-public-schools-investigation-staff-arranged-reproductive-health-fcps-centerville-high-school-minors-taxfunded-virginia-employee-parents-sex-education-regulation-2504

Why should the school counselor tell the parents? It’s none of the parents’ business.

At what age does a person’s medical care stop being their parents’ business?

18? Just wait. You still pay for it, but the doctor/insurance won't give you any information. Amazing.

[Anonymous]

I am still not clear exactly what it is alleged that these parents did.

There is a requirement to tell parents or legal guardians at least 24 hours before a minor has an abortion, and to get their consent notarized. But that seems to be the responsibility of the abortion provider. Of course, if the FCPS employee lied about the students' age, or counseled the student to lie, or helped them forge consent, or presented themselves as the parent, then that's probably illegal.

If the social worker paid with school funds, that's also illegal.

Transporting students anywhere is likely a violation of school policy, but not necessarily illegal.

But I am pretty sure that a student talking about abortion, has a right to confidentiality in a therapeutic relationship like that between social worker and her client. The social worker needs to break confidentiality and call CPS if there is evidence of abuse, and if they didn't that's a violation of mandated reporting laws. But otherwise, I'm not sure the social worker has the obligation to tell the parents, and their professional ethics may not allow them to tell the parents. The abortion provider was the one to tell the parents, although again, if the social worker deceived the provider about the students' age, or posed as parent, then that's a problem again.

I think more information needs to come out to know exactly which, if any, laws were broken, and by who.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am still not clear exactly what it is alleged that these parents did.

There is a requirement to tell parents or legal guardians at least 24 hours before a minor has an abortion, and to get their consent notarized. But that seems to be the responsibility of the abortion provider. Of course, if the FCPS employee lied about the students' age, or counseled the student to lie, or helped them forge consent, or presented themselves as the parent, then that's probably illegal.

If the social worker paid with school funds, that's also illegal.

Transporting students anywhere is likely a violation of school policy, but not necessarily illegal.

But I am pretty sure that a student talking about abortion, has a right to confidentiality in a therapeutic relationship like that between social worker and her client. The social worker needs to break confidentiality and call CPS if there is evidence of abuse, and if they didn't that's a violation of mandated reporting laws. But otherwise, I'm not sure the social worker has the obligation to tell the parents, and their professional ethics may not allow them to tell the parents. The abortion provider was the one to tell the parents, although again, if the social worker deceived the provider about the students' age, or posed as parent, then that's a problem again.

I think more information needs to come out to know exactly which, if any, laws were broken, and by who.

Again. There are ways around it. But, the school should not have been the way. It should have been CPS.

[Anonymous]

Someone should be going to jail here. Law enforcement needs to be investigating not FCPS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am still not clear exactly what it is alleged that these parents did.

There is a requirement to tell parents or legal guardians at least 24 hours before a minor has an abortion, and to get their consent notarized. But that seems to be the responsibility of the abortion provider. Of course, if the FCPS employee lied about the students' age, or counseled the student to lie, or helped them forge consent, or presented themselves as the parent, then that's probably illegal.

If the social worker paid with school funds, that's also illegal.

Transporting students anywhere is likely a violation of school policy, but not necessarily illegal.

But I am pretty sure that a student talking about abortion, has a right to confidentiality in a therapeutic relationship like that between social worker and her client. The social worker needs to break confidentiality and call CPS if there is evidence of abuse, and if they didn't that's a violation of mandated reporting laws. But otherwise, I'm not sure the social worker has the obligation to tell the parents, and their professional ethics may not allow them to tell the parents. The abortion provider was the one to tell the parents, although again, if the social worker deceived the provider about the students' age, or posed as parent, then that's a problem again.

I think more information needs to come out to know exactly which, if any, laws were broken, and by who.

Again. There are ways around it. But, the school should not have been the way. It should have been CPS.

By not coming clean with what they know, FCPS continues to allow the information to trickle out. Latest allegations are that the abortion had complications and nearly killed the girl, which makes the cover up even more insidious if she was not receiving proper follow-up care. Also that FCPS tried to fire the whistle blower rather than acting on her information.

[Anonymous]

So what, the staff member just helped them make an appointment somewhere? Unless they were wielding a coat hanger or forging documents, this seems like a nothing burger. The healthcare providers are the ones bound by whatever the law on parental disclosure is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am still not clear exactly what it is alleged that these parents did.

There is a requirement to tell parents or legal guardians at least 24 hours before a minor has an abortion, and to get their consent notarized. But that seems to be the responsibility of the abortion provider. Of course, if the FCPS employee lied about the students' age, or counseled the student to lie, or helped them forge consent, or presented themselves as the parent, then that's probably illegal.

If the social worker paid with school funds, that's also illegal.

Transporting students anywhere is likely a violation of school policy, but not necessarily illegal.

But I am pretty sure that a student talking about abortion, has a right to confidentiality in a therapeutic relationship like that between social worker and her client. The social worker needs to break confidentiality and call CPS if there is evidence of abuse, and if they didn't that's a violation of mandated reporting laws. But otherwise, I'm not sure the social worker has the obligation to tell the parents, and their professional ethics may not allow them to tell the parents. The abortion provider was the one to tell the parents, although again, if the social worker deceived the provider about the students' age, or posed as parent, then that's a problem again.

I think more information needs to come out to know exactly which, if any, laws were broken, and by who.

Again. There are ways around it. But, the school should not have been the way. It should have been CPS.

By not coming clean with what they know, FCPS continues to allow the information to trickle out. Latest allegations are that the abortion had complications and nearly killed the girl, which makes the cover up even more insidious if she was not receiving proper follow-up care. Also that FCPS tried to fire the whistle blower rather than acting on her information.

FCPS has to deal with potential privacy concerns which is why they can't just release what they know.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:One of the students was 5 months pregnant?! What the hell??

That’s actually a much more involved surgery. It’s a D&E. I’ve unfortunately had to have one myself. There are certain doctors that can do a D&C but not a D&E. The student would have had to go under general anesthesia for it. What was the teacher thinking?!

I mean the teacher was not the one doing the procedure, right? I dont understand any of the outrage here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It does not sound like a case of abuse to me.

“According to the report, two female students, both minors at the time, allege that school officials, including social worker Carolina Diaz, arranged abortions at Fairfax Healthcare Center without parental consent. One student, a 17-year-old 11th-grade student, claims Diaz scheduled her appointment, paid the clinic's fees, and instructed her to keep the procedure secret. The abortion allegedly took place in November 2021.

A second student, five months pregnant, says Diaz told her that she "had no choice" but to proceed with an abortion. That student fled the clinic, unwilling to go through with the procedure, and later confided in her teacher, Zenaida Perz, who provided Curt with an audio recording of the family confirming that the school never informed them of the intent to terminate their daughter's pregnancy.

Under Virginia state law, a physician is required to certify in writing that at least one parent has been notified before performing an abortion on a minor, unless a judicial bypass is obtained. “

So…wouldn’t we be mad at the physician in this case? I don’t understand how making an appointment is an issue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It does not sound like a case of abuse to me.

“According to the report, two female students, both minors at the time, allege that school officials, including social worker Carolina Diaz, arranged abortions at Fairfax Healthcare Center without parental consent. One student, a 17-year-old 11th-grade student, claims Diaz scheduled her appointment, paid the clinic's fees, and instructed her to keep the procedure secret. The abortion allegedly took place in November 2021.

A second student, five months pregnant, says Diaz told her that she "had no choice" but to proceed with an abortion. That student fled the clinic, unwilling to go through with the procedure, and later confided in her teacher, Zenaida Perz, who provided Curt with an audio recording of the family confirming that the school never informed them of the intent to terminate their daughter's pregnancy.

Under Virginia state law, a physician is required to certify in writing that at least one parent has been notified before performing an abortion on a minor, unless a judicial bypass is obtained. “

So…wouldn’t we be mad at the physician in this case? I don’t understand how making an appointment is an issue.

Would you want the school scheduling your child's appointments?

The school should not be involved in this in any way--other than to refer the child to CPS.
This is for the protection of the child and the school. Schools should not be involved.
I was an elementary teacher. We reported cases of abuse and then we were "out of it." Why? Because it is not good for the family to blame the school. It should be handled outside the school.

In this instant, it is the same. Just look. Who is everyone upset with? The girl? The family? No. They are upset with the school system.
Perhaps the school system did follow the rules, perhaps not. Nevertheless, there are rules.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:2021? Who gives AF?

Exactly. Buckle up. Right wing nut jobs will start coming out of the woodworks now that it’s an election year.

Yep this!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is stupid. So what if a girl is pregnant and goes to her counselor for help, the counselor should just say "go talk to your momma" even though the girl knows that momma will just beat her and force her to have a baby she doesn't want? THANK YOU to the staff who helped these girls.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is stupid. So what if a girl is pregnant and goes to her counselor for help, the counselor should just say "go talk to your momma" even though the girl knows that momma will just beat her and force her to have a baby she doesn't want? THANK YOU to the staff who helped these girls.

These girls were minors. I can't even believe someone would think like you. This is ILLEGAL - and I'm pro-choice.

PP is 100% right. Anyone who helps a CHILD not bear another child has my deepest admiration.

There's a reason she didn't talk to Momma. Ever considered that Daddy may be the Daddy?

-- Signed, victim of child sexual abuse age 8-16.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is stupid. So what if a girl is pregnant and goes to her counselor for help, the counselor should just say "go talk to your momma" even though the girl knows that momma will just beat her and force her to have a baby she doesn't want? THANK YOU to the staff who helped these girls.

These girls were minors. I can't even believe someone would think like you. This is ILLEGAL - and I'm pro-choice.

PP is 100% right. Anyone who helps a CHILD not bear another child has my deepest admiration.

There's a reason she didn't talk to Momma. Ever considered that Daddy may be the Daddy?

-- Signed, victim of child sexual abuse age 8-16.

fcps was also paying for these abortions. it’s wrong on so many levels

The allegation is that there was one abortion, of one young woman who may or may not have been 18, and another young woman who may or may not have been 18 was taken but changed her mind and left.

Yes, it was wrong. People should not be taking money from FCPS that was budgeted for other things and using it for abortions, but it was not "these abortions". It was one abortion.

NO FCPS did not pay! Stop lying.