Time for reflection as a dem?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: As a dem, I don't think there's any reflection to be done. Sorry not sorry. I mean, in 2016 white women saw a woman who looked like them, talked like them, grew up amongst them and had plans that amongst other things didn't seek to tell what to do with their bodies. And what happened? They chose the guy who bragged about sexual assault and who has a well documented lifetime of all kinds of nefarious activities. If pasty white Hilary Clinton got passed over for the married guy who has trysts with porn stars, what kind of effing reflection do you think dems need ?

I—a heterosexual male born in a west african country—voted for Kamala Harris, but unlike some many of you here on dcum, I always thought her victory would've been the surprise and not the other way around. Envy,jealousy, racism,racism, misogyny, sexism are not things pollsters go looking for and even if they do, voters aren't going to tell a pollster they're not voting for a woman called Kamala because the thought of:
1-a woman
2- a proud African-American/south Asian woman
3-all the above is enough to make their bigotry radar
Explode.

In the spirit of fairness, the monkey reflection or o should say the most urgent thing to do is to rid the party of those who think it's their house ( Pelosi and Obama need to go for good)

So you want to kick out one of the best former Democratic presidents and embrace the candidate who lost to a buffoon in a landslide election?

He's one of the people who architected the couple against Biden.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t think the Dems have much of a shot at national level elections unless they drop the trans stuff. Pretending that men can be women is such a fundamental lie, people will not trust us on any issues.

Yeah it's not like the dems didn't in 2018, 2020 and 2022 with the trans stuff that weird people fixate over.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good overview.

Revenge of the regular old working class. who have been insulted, condescended to, called nazis and stupid.

https://x.com/LangmanVince/status/1854094491528917431

More like shooting themselves in the foot. Time will tell but they won't grasp the reality until it's too late...or until it's their children doing the suffering and they are dead.

Typical.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The average American is a lot more moderate than the national democratic party.

The average person does not want boys in girls' bathrooms, locker rooms, and sports.

The average person does not want to defund the police.

The average person wants secured borders.

The Democratic party continues to stick their head in the sand and say anyone who disagrees is racist, sexist, transphobic, homophobic, etc etc. And maybe some of that is true.

But there's a big group of people who want common sense. They don't want trans kids to kill themselves, but they also don't want drag queens strutting half naked in elementary schools. They don't want immigrants in cages, but they also think 'catch and release' endangers our country. They don't want black teenagers in jail due to racist cops, but they are tired of watching habitual criminals face no consequences.

This thread is an excellent example of 'la la la,' plugging your ears, and pretending that nothing the democratic party did was wrong, everyone else is wrong, and no other human being could possibly have any values that don't reflect yours.

Dems lost HUGE swaths of previously democratic voters. SOMETHING is going on. Pay attention, for ONCE, instead of blaming the voters again and again and again. Look at California - 71% of CALIFORNIA voted 'Yes' for tough on crime policies. San Diego, LA, San Francisco - these big, blue, liberal cities, are TIRED of it. They don't hate their neighbors. They don't want homeless people shot in the street. But they're tired of cops telling them "there's nothing we can do" about human feces and needles on the sidewalks.

This is a global phenomenon. Look at the backlash in Canada, the backlash in Europe, against unfettered immigration. Look at the rise of conservative, far-right policies in otherwise very liberal, progressive countries. The average person is reaching a breaking point.

The average American is more moderate than democratic policies but not shy about embracing republican that are anything but moderate ? Yeah! I mean congrats on your win and enjoy the inevitable windfall but democrats owe you nothing .

DP.

You 100% don't get it.

I 109% get it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The average American is a lot more moderate than the national democratic party.

The average person does not want boys in girls' bathrooms, locker rooms, and sports.

The average person does not want to defund the police.

The average person wants secured borders.

The Democratic party continues to stick their head in the sand and say anyone who disagrees is racist, sexist, transphobic, homophobic, etc etc. And maybe some of that is true.

But there's a big group of people who want common sense. They don't want trans kids to kill themselves, but they also don't want drag queens strutting half naked in elementary schools. They don't want immigrants in cages, but they also think 'catch and release' endangers our country. They don't want black teenagers in jail due to racist cops, but they are tired of watching habitual criminals face no consequences.

This thread is an excellent example of 'la la la,' plugging your ears, and pretending that nothing the democratic party did was wrong, everyone else is wrong, and no other human being could possibly have any values that don't reflect yours.

Dems lost HUGE swaths of previously democratic voters. SOMETHING is going on. Pay attention, for ONCE, instead of blaming the voters again and again and again. Look at California - 71% of CALIFORNIA voted 'Yes' for tough on crime policies. San Diego, LA, San Francisco - these big, blue, liberal cities, are TIRED of it. They don't hate their neighbors. They don't want homeless people shot in the street. But they're tired of cops telling them "there's nothing we can do" about human feces and needles on the sidewalks.

This is a global phenomenon. Look at the backlash in Canada, the backlash in Europe, against unfettered immigration. Look at the rise of conservative, far-right policies in otherwise very liberal, progressive countries. The average person is reaching a breaking point.

The average American is more moderate than democratic policies but not shy about embracing republican that are anything but moderate ? Yeah! I mean congrats on your win and enjoy the inevitable windfall but democrats owe you nothing .

again, this is the problem. I'm a democrat. I voted for Harris. this idea that every single person who doesn't agree 100% with exactly the party platform, must be a psyop or a republican in hiding, is what is alienating otherwise democratic voters. We are dooming ourselves, every single time, by refusing to admit that. Every time a moderate democrat brings up something like, "hey, public opinion is broadly against men in women's sports, maybe we shouldn't hang our hat on that?" we get shouted down. and then this happens and everyone's shocked.

PP I don't want/need anybody to agree with me. I, however, vigorously reject this notion that if only dems did this or that then maybe...just maybe. Dems like you are part of the problem,too. You're on the verge of witnessing one of the most extreme administration in modern American history whose guiding principles will be spite, cruelty and vengeance against who know what and you think dems are the problem ? Touch grass.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Pretty simple reflection. Dems just need to do two things to win.

1. Adopt better policies
2. Put forward better candidates

3. Not be in power. The people are pissed off, and rightfully so.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The average American is a lot more moderate than the national democratic party.

The average person does not want boys in girls' bathrooms, locker rooms, and sports.

The average person does not want to defund the police.

The average person wants secured borders.

The Democratic party continues to stick their head in the sand and say anyone who disagrees is racist, sexist, transphobic, homophobic, etc etc. And maybe some of that is true.

But there's a big group of people who want common sense. They don't want trans kids to kill themselves, but they also don't want drag queens strutting half naked in elementary schools. They don't want immigrants in cages, but they also think 'catch and release' endangers our country. They don't want black teenagers in jail due to racist cops, but they are tired of watching habitual criminals face no consequences.

This thread is an excellent example of 'la la la,' plugging your ears, and pretending that nothing the democratic party did was wrong, everyone else is wrong, and no other human being could possibly have any values that don't reflect yours.

Dems lost HUGE swaths of previously democratic voters. SOMETHING is going on. Pay attention, for ONCE, instead of blaming the voters again and again and again. Look at California - 71% of CALIFORNIA voted 'Yes' for tough on crime policies. San Diego, LA, San Francisco - these big, blue, liberal cities, are TIRED of it. They don't hate their neighbors. They don't want homeless people shot in the street. But they're tired of cops telling them "there's nothing we can do" about human feces and needles on the sidewalks.

This is a global phenomenon. Look at the backlash in Canada, the backlash in Europe, against unfettered immigration. Look at the rise of conservative, far-right policies in otherwise very liberal, progressive countries. The average person is reaching a breaking point.

The average American is more moderate than democratic policies but not shy about embracing republican that are anything but moderate ? Yeah! I mean congrats on your win and enjoy the inevitable windfall but democrats owe you nothing .

again, this is the problem. I'm a democrat. I voted for Harris. this idea that every single person who doesn't agree 100% with exactly the party platform, must be a psyop or a republican in hiding, is what is alienating otherwise democratic voters. We are dooming ourselves, every single time, by refusing to admit that. Every time a moderate democrat brings up something like, "hey, public opinion is broadly against men in women's sports, maybe we shouldn't hang our hat on that?" we get shouted down. and then this happens and everyone's shocked.

PP I don't want/need anybody to agree with me. I, however, vigorously reject this notion that if only dems did this or that then maybe...just maybe. Dems like you are part of the problem,too. You're on the verge of witnessing one of the most extreme administration in modern American history whose guiding principles will be spite, cruelty and vengeance against who know what and you think dems are the problem ? Touch grass.

I don’t buy that the next Trump administration is what you say it is. But you do, so I suggest you ask yourself, how did my party lose to THAT? That is the self reflection OP is asking about. If it is as bad as you say it is, how could you have lost?

[Anonymous]

I had originally posted this in the “I’m leaving my husband because he voted for Trump” thread but it seems locked.

Husband who voted for Trump here, happy to explain why. Not a racist, happily married, pro-choice to a point (about 20 weeks.) I don’t like him, but Harris was a horrible candidate leading a party with no ideas. The things I care about are foreign wars (we have draft age sons), the federal debt destroying everything we’ve saved for thirty years, crime (we live downtown, it’s bad), and illegal immigration. I also want the U.S. to be competitive, and while I wish Musk wouldn’t tweet, I think he’s the most dynamic American alive. I think RFK’s a dolt. So, I voted for the candidate who could actually articulate and defend the positions I found important, you know, democracy. I was horrified by January 6 but I was also horrified by the anti-democratic lawfare, lying, and media capture we have endured for the past four years by the censorious left. I think that our democracy and institutions will hold up just fine and in four years we will be debating Vance / Newsom or something. At that point, hopefully the Dems have found some actual issues to run on. Pro tip: continuing to call all Trump voters racists and Nazis is probably not going to win a lot of elections.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pretty simple reflection. Dems just need to do two things to win.

1. Adopt better policies
2. Put forward better candidates

3. Not be in power. The people are pissed off, and rightfully so.

4. Get better at messaging and distill every policy position down to clear, consistent sound bites and accept that many Americans simply aren't good with complex topics and nuance,

Part of me is tempted to say fight as dirty as the Republicans did and ignore the people who get upset about it. Obviously for every vicious, nasty thing the Republicans did, not a damn thing stuck to them, so stop being afraid. If they can't be held accountable or held to any norms or standards, why should we?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I had originally posted this in the “I’m leaving my husband because he voted for Trump” thread but it seems locked.

Husband who voted for Trump here, happy to explain why. Not a racist, happily married, pro-choice to a point (about 20 weeks.) I don’t like him, but Harris was a horrible candidate leading a party with no ideas. The things I care about are foreign wars (we have draft age sons), the federal debt destroying everything we’ve saved for thirty years, crime (we live downtown, it’s bad), and illegal immigration. I also want the U.S. to be competitive, and while I wish Musk wouldn’t tweet, I think he’s the most dynamic American alive. I think RFK’s a dolt. So, I voted for the candidate who could actually articulate and defend the positions I found important, you know, democracy. I was horrified by January 6 but I was also horrified by the anti-democratic lawfare, lying, and media capture we have endured for the past four years by the censorious left. I think that our democracy and institutions will hold up just fine and in four years we will be debating Vance / Newsom or something. At that point, hopefully the Dems have found some actual issues to run on. Pro tip: continuing to call all Trump voters racists and Nazis is probably not going to win a lot of elections.

Most of your justifications make absolutely no sense to me. Trump will cause an intensification of the Ukraine and Gaza wars resulting in more killings of innocents. He increased the debt more than Harris/Biden did. Crime has been decreasing, but I don't see how Trump will help at all on that front. Trump is not a pro-democracy guy, he talked about a dictatorship on day one, he has made an enemies list and is threatening lawfare against them, he has threatened to pull licenses and to shut down media outlets that were critical of him, far more censorious actions than anything to date. The one biggest areas where Democrats failed was on the border but again I feel an injustice was served by denying the Bipartisan Border Bill which would have gone far to address it. Rather than being earnest about solving the problem he prolonged it and used it as a wedge issue for purely partisan purposes.

Can you show me where I'm wrong, or did you just not know about any of this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t think the Dems have much of a shot at national level elections unless they drop the trans stuff. Pretending that men can be women is such a fundamental lie, people will not trust us on any issues.

Yeah it's not like the dems didn't in 2018, 2020 and 2022 with the trans stuff that weird people fixate over.

But, like, the Dems aren't the ones making everything about Trans stuff...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I had originally posted this in the “I’m leaving my husband because he voted for Trump” thread but it seems locked.

Husband who voted for Trump here, happy to explain why. Not a racist, happily married, pro-choice to a point (about 20 weeks.) I don’t like him, but Harris was a horrible candidate leading a party with no ideas. The things I care about are foreign wars (we have draft age sons), the federal debt destroying everything we’ve saved for thirty years, crime (we live downtown, it’s bad), and illegal immigration. I also want the U.S. to be competitive, and while I wish Musk wouldn’t tweet, I think he’s the most dynamic American alive. I think RFK’s a dolt. So, I voted for the candidate who could actually articulate and defend the positions I found important, you know, democracy. I was horrified by January 6 but I was also horrified by the anti-democratic lawfare, lying, and media capture we have endured for the past four years by the censorious left. I think that our democracy and institutions will hold up just fine and in four years we will be debating Vance / Newsom or something. At that point, hopefully the Dems have found some actual issues to run on. Pro tip: continuing to call all Trump voters racists and Nazis is probably not going to win a lot of elections.

My DH could have written above post word for word - he voted for Trump too. I voted for Harris but only as an anti-Trump voter...I honestly agree with Republican right-leaning policies and values. We have two adult children who each voted according to the political policies and values they most aligned with and that were in their best interests.

I 100% agree with the last line. But from what I'm reading on DCUM, Dems are the most obtuse people I know.

[Anonymous]

The day that Democrats, especially far left Democrats realize that people think differently than they do and it doesn’t mean they’re wrong, is the day that the Democrat party will start back on the right path.

In the past few years read a lot of of attacks on “straight white males” from the left. Guess who got sick of it and went and voted with Trump? So these attacks and closemindedness are not working. We need to unite and come together and recognize that we can be different, have different opinions and still be in one single party rather than divided.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I had originally posted this in the “I’m leaving my husband because he voted for Trump” thread but it seems locked.

Husband who voted for Trump here, happy to explain why. Not a racist, happily married, pro-choice to a point (about 20 weeks.) I don’t like him, but Harris was a horrible candidate leading a party with no ideas. The things I care about are foreign wars (we have draft age sons), the federal debt destroying everything we’ve saved for thirty years, crime (we live downtown, it’s bad), and illegal immigration. I also want the U.S. to be competitive, and while I wish Musk wouldn’t tweet, I think he’s the most dynamic American alive. I think RFK’s a dolt. So, I voted for the candidate who could actually articulate and defend the positions I found important, you know, democracy. I was horrified by January 6 but I was also horrified by the anti-democratic lawfare, lying, and media capture we have endured for the past four years by the censorious left. I think that our democracy and institutions will hold up just fine and in four years we will be debating Vance / Newsom or something. At that point, hopefully the Dems have found some actual issues to run on. Pro tip: continuing to call all Trump voters racists and Nazis is probably not going to win a lot of elections.

+ a million. Great comment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pretty simple reflection. Dems just need to do two things to win.

1. Adopt better policies
2. Put forward better candidates

3. Not be in power. The people are pissed off, and rightfully so.

But they are falling for the same old strong man and propaganda tactics we’ve seen again and again throughout human history.

This isn’t on Dems. Recent Dem candidates are not radical. They are far more moderate than Trump. Trumps policies won’t actually make their lives better. Wait and see.

This is on ignorance. Voters embraced the lies and the radical candidate. That is on them.