Elderly woman died after carjacking near WHC in NW this afternoon, SUV crashed

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Anonymous wrote:We need beefed up involuntary commitment in DC it's a travesty they tore down the old DC general site instead of turning it into a state of the art treatment center with ample beds.. There are so many people having mental breaks roaming the streets - and apparently the hospitals too. PIW, the only secure treatment facility, cannot handle them all. But they don't need to - because DC is loathe to commit and treat in the first place. This girl should have been brought to PIW and put in a secure space for evaluation. What a horrible horrible story of two different mothers and daughters. I have no words.

It's not that secure people walk out fairly frequently.

St. E's is still open, albeit smaller.

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Anonymous wrote:Kayla Brown’s parents contacted 911 to seek help for their daughter who wasn’t acting normal after consuming drugs. Why did the authorities leave her unattended at the hospital? She should have been under constant supervision by hospital staff or security. I feel that this is the fault of our law enforcement and health care system. We need a better way to address mental illness and drug abuse. The law enforcement and hospital need to take some blame for this event.

Do you realize how much staffing is necessary to stay with every patient like the carjacker? Good luck with that.

I had a family member taken into a an ER on psych watch —- two different hospitals and they both had someone stationed at her door to watch. That’s standard protocol for psych admits. Possible she overpowered that person — they aren’t cops, just staffers. But they do typically assign one on one observation for psych cases. And my family member was just a little depressed—not “acting crazy” like this.

Do we know if the carjacker was a psych admit?

I don't even think she'd been admitted yet. From the sounds of the court documents that were released, she and the woman who died just had the misfortune of arriving at the ER at the same time. It does not sound like a mental health crisis, it sounds like she took bad drugs.

She should absolutely be in jail for carjacking - drugs are no excuse. Unfortunately I have no faith in the DC courts to bother if it was just carjacking. However, the court documents also make it sound like the woman who died was mid-heart attack or stroke en route to the ER entrance. So it will be very, very difficult to prove that Kayla killed her. I certainly don't think she died in the crash - if she died, why wasn't Kayla seriously injured?

If the elderly woman was dead at the time Kayla took the car, it isn’t carjacking. You can’t carjack a vehicle from a dead person.

No one is suggesting she carjacked it from the dead woman. The car didn't even belong to the decedent. The car belonged to the decedent's very-much-alive adult daughter. That is who it was carjacked from.

Carjacking isn’t the same as auto theft. It requires that the suspect take the vehicle from the victim’s immediate actual possession. If the victim is inside the hospital getting a wheelchair, she can’t possibly be in immediate actual possession of a vehicle that’s outside.

So. If a mom runs into the store and it's stolen with a 13 year old child inside, itself not carjacking because the kid doesn't own the car?

No. Try to keep up. If the only person in/around the car is dead, Kayle is guilty of auto theft but not carjacking. It has nothing to do with who owns the car.

DP. It's kidnapping and felony murder unless Brown can prove that the passenger was already deceased before she came anywhere near the vehicle.

She doesn’t have to prove a thing. The prosecution will need to prove the decedent was alive at the moment she took the car.

Yes, the prosecution needs to prove it's case. Not difficult - needing a wheelchair is not something that dead people do.

She had MS and was experiencing a medical emergency that left her unable to feel her legs. Is it really that far fetched to believe that she was deceased at the time the car was taken?

Yes. What are the chances she died waiting for the wheelchair VS the stress of the car being stolen? Slim. I'd believe the daughter's testimony that she would alive over the criminal's that she was dead.

The daughter was already out of the car and her focus was elsewhere. She cannot say one way or the other if the decedent was alive at the time the car was taken.

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Anonymous wrote:Kayla Brown’s parents contacted 911 to seek help for their daughter who wasn’t acting normal after consuming drugs. Why did the authorities leave her unattended at the hospital? She should have been under constant supervision by hospital staff or security. I feel that this is the fault of our law enforcement and health care system. We need a better way to address mental illness and drug abuse. The law enforcement and hospital need to take some blame for this event.

Do you realize how much staffing is necessary to stay with every patient like the carjacker? Good luck with that.

I had a family member taken into a an ER on psych watch —- two different hospitals and they both had someone stationed at her door to watch. That’s standard protocol for psych admits. Possible she overpowered that person — they aren’t cops, just staffers. But they do typically assign one on one observation for psych cases. And my family member was just a little depressed—not “acting crazy” like this.

Do we know if the carjacker was a psych admit?

I don't even think she'd been admitted yet. From the sounds of the court documents that were released, she and the woman who died just had the misfortune of arriving at the ER at the same time. It does not sound like a mental health crisis, it sounds like she took bad drugs.

She should absolutely be in jail for carjacking - drugs are no excuse. Unfortunately I have no faith in the DC courts to bother if it was just carjacking. However, the court documents also make it sound like the woman who died was mid-heart attack or stroke en route to the ER entrance. So it will be very, very difficult to prove that Kayla killed her. I certainly don't think she died in the crash - if she died, why wasn't Kayla seriously injured?

If the elderly woman was dead at the time Kayla took the car, it isn’t carjacking. You can’t carjack a vehicle from a dead person.

No one is suggesting she carjacked it from the dead woman. The car didn't even belong to the decedent. The car belonged to the decedent's very-much-alive adult daughter. That is who it was carjacked from.

Carjacking isn’t the same as auto theft. It requires that the suspect take the vehicle from the victim’s immediate actual possession. If the victim is inside the hospital getting a wheelchair, she can’t possibly be in immediate actual possession of a vehicle that’s outside.

So. If a mom runs into the store and it's stolen with a 13 year old child inside, itself not carjacking because the kid doesn't own the car?

No. Try to keep up. If the only person in/around the car is dead, Kayle is guilty of auto theft but not carjacking. It has nothing to do with who owns the car.

DP. It's kidnapping and felony murder unless Brown can prove that the passenger was already deceased before she came anywhere near the vehicle.

She doesn’t have to prove a thing. The prosecution will need to prove the decedent was alive at the moment she took the car.

Yes, the prosecution needs to prove it's case. Not difficult - needing a wheelchair is not something that dead people do.

She had MS and was experiencing a medical emergency that left her unable to feel her legs. Is it really that far fetched to believe that she was deceased at the time the car was taken?

Yes. What are the chances she died waiting for the wheelchair VS the stress of the car being stolen? Slim. I'd believe the daughter's testimony that she would alive over the criminal's that she was dead.

The daughter was already out of the car and her focus was elsewhere. She cannot say one way or the other if the decedent was alive at the time the car was taken.

But an autopsy can and a jury can decide for themselves where there is reasonable doubt as to whether a woman spontaneously died in 30 seconds.

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Anonymous wrote:Kayla Brown’s parents contacted 911 to seek help for their daughter who wasn’t acting normal after consuming drugs. Why did the authorities leave her unattended at the hospital? She should have been under constant supervision by hospital staff or security. I feel that this is the fault of our law enforcement and health care system. We need a better way to address mental illness and drug abuse. The law enforcement and hospital need to take some blame for this event.

Do you realize how much staffing is necessary to stay with every patient like the carjacker? Good luck with that.

I had a family member taken into a an ER on psych watch —- two different hospitals and they both had someone stationed at her door to watch. That’s standard protocol for psych admits. Possible she overpowered that person — they aren’t cops, just staffers. But they do typically assign one on one observation for psych cases. And my family member was just a little depressed—not “acting crazy” like this.

Do we know if the carjacker was a psych admit?

I don't even think she'd been admitted yet. From the sounds of the court documents that were released, she and the woman who died just had the misfortune of arriving at the ER at the same time. It does not sound like a mental health crisis, it sounds like she took bad drugs.

She should absolutely be in jail for carjacking - drugs are no excuse. Unfortunately I have no faith in the DC courts to bother if it was just carjacking. However, the court documents also make it sound like the woman who died was mid-heart attack or stroke en route to the ER entrance. So it will be very, very difficult to prove that Kayla killed her. I certainly don't think she died in the crash - if she died, why wasn't Kayla seriously injured?

If the elderly woman was dead at the time Kayla took the car, it isn’t carjacking. You can’t carjack a vehicle from a dead person.

No one is suggesting she carjacked it from the dead woman. The car didn't even belong to the decedent. The car belonged to the decedent's very-much-alive adult daughter. That is who it was carjacked from.

Carjacking isn’t the same as auto theft. It requires that the suspect take the vehicle from the victim’s immediate actual possession. If the victim is inside the hospital getting a wheelchair, she can’t possibly be in immediate actual possession of a vehicle that’s outside.

So. If a mom runs into the store and it's stolen with a 13 year old child inside, itself not carjacking because the kid doesn't own the car?

No. Try to keep up. If the only person in/around the car is dead, Kayle is guilty of auto theft but not carjacking. It has nothing to do with who owns the car.

DP. It's kidnapping and felony murder unless Brown can prove that the passenger was already deceased before she came anywhere near the vehicle.

She doesn’t have to prove a thing. The prosecution will need to prove the decedent was alive at the moment she took the car.

Yes, the prosecution needs to prove it's case. Not difficult - needing a wheelchair is not something that dead people do.

She had MS and was experiencing a medical emergency that left her unable to feel her legs. Is it really that far fetched to believe that she was deceased at the time the car was taken?

Yes. What are the chances she died waiting for the wheelchair VS the stress of the car being stolen? Slim. I'd believe the daughter's testimony that she would alive over the criminal's that she was dead.

The daughter was already out of the car and her focus was elsewhere. She cannot say one way or the other if the decedent was alive at the time the car was taken.

But an autopsy can and a jury can decide for themselves where there is reasonable doubt as to whether a woman spontaneously died in 30 seconds.

+100

Good luck with that theory.

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Anonymous wrote:The news just said the lady may have been dead before the car was taken.

Oh FFS, how would that make sense?!

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Anonymous wrote:Kayla Brown’s parents contacted 911 to seek help for their daughter who wasn’t acting normal after consuming drugs. Why did the authorities leave her unattended at the hospital? She should have been under constant supervision by hospital staff or security. I feel that this is the fault of our law enforcement and health care system. We need a better way to address mental illness and drug abuse. The law enforcement and hospital need to take some blame for this event.

Do you realize how much staffing is necessary to stay with every patient like the carjacker? Good luck with that.

I had a family member taken into a an ER on psych watch —- two different hospitals and they both had someone stationed at her door to watch. That’s standard protocol for psych admits. Possible she overpowered that person — they aren’t cops, just staffers. But they do typically assign one on one observation for psych cases. And my family member was just a little depressed—not “acting crazy” like this.

Do we know if the carjacker was a psych admit?

I don't even think she'd been admitted yet. From the sounds of the court documents that were released, she and the woman who died just had the misfortune of arriving at the ER at the same time. It does not sound like a mental health crisis, it sounds like she took bad drugs.

She should absolutely be in jail for carjacking - drugs are no excuse. Unfortunately I have no faith in the DC courts to bother if it was just carjacking. However, the court documents also make it sound like the woman who died was mid-heart attack or stroke en route to the ER entrance. So it will be very, very difficult to prove that Kayla killed her. I certainly don't think she died in the crash - if she died, why wasn't Kayla seriously injured?

If the elderly woman was dead at the time Kayla took the car, it isn’t carjacking. You can’t carjack a vehicle from a dead person.

Just don’t try to drive in the HOV lane.0

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Anonymous wrote:This strikes me as a little different than drunk driving. If she was given a drug and had an adverse reaction….that’s different than choosing to drink and drive. I had a family member have an adverse reaction to an meds for dental surgery — they suddenly were trying to jump out of a moving car and hit someone. The nicest person—it was just a weird drug reaction made them suddenly manically depressive and paranoid.
I hope they gave her an immediate tox screen so we can know if the “given a weird drug” story has any basis. She may have gotten weed that was heavily laced with fetanyl, unknown to her, and it induced psychosis.

Just stop. Do you realize how ridiculous you sound?

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Anonymous wrote:Kayla Brown’s parents contacted 911 to seek help for their daughter who wasn’t acting normal after consuming drugs. Why did the authorities leave her unattended at the hospital? She should have been under constant supervision by hospital staff or security. I feel that this is the fault of our law enforcement and health care system. We need a better way to address mental illness and drug abuse. The law enforcement and hospital need to take some blame for this event.

Do you realize how much staffing is necessary to stay with every patient like the carjacker? Good luck with that.

I had a family member taken into a an ER on psych watch —- two different hospitals and they both had someone stationed at her door to watch. That’s standard protocol for psych admits. Possible she overpowered that person — they aren’t cops, just staffers. But they do typically assign one on one observation for psych cases. And my family member was just a little depressed—not “acting crazy” like this.

Do we know if the carjacker was a psych admit?

I don't even think she'd been admitted yet. From the sounds of the court documents that were released, she and the woman who died just had the misfortune of arriving at the ER at the same time. It does not sound like a mental health crisis, it sounds like she took bad drugs.

She should absolutely be in jail for carjacking - drugs are no excuse. Unfortunately I have no faith in the DC courts to bother if it was just carjacking. However, the court documents also make it sound like the woman who died was mid-heart attack or stroke en route to the ER entrance. So it will be very, very difficult to prove that Kayla killed her. I certainly don't think she died in the crash - if she died, why wasn't Kayla seriously injured?

If the elderly woman was dead at the time Kayla took the car, it isn’t carjacking. You can’t carjack a vehicle from a dead person.

No one is suggesting she carjacked it from the dead woman. The car didn't even belong to the decedent. The car belonged to the decedent's very-much-alive adult daughter. That is who it was carjacked from.

Carjacking isn’t the same as auto theft. It requires that the suspect take the vehicle from the victim’s immediate actual possession. If the victim is inside the hospital getting a wheelchair, she can’t possibly be in immediate actual possession of a vehicle that’s outside.

So. If a mom runs into the store and it's stolen with a 13 year old child inside, itself not carjacking because the kid doesn't own the car?

No. Try to keep up. If the only person in/around the car is dead, Kayle is guilty of auto theft but not carjacking. It has nothing to do with who owns the car.

DP. It's kidnapping and felony murder unless Brown can prove that the passenger was already deceased before she came anywhere near the vehicle.

She doesn’t have to prove a thing. The prosecution will need to prove the decedent was alive at the moment she took the car.

Yes, the prosecution needs to prove it's case. Not difficult - needing a wheelchair is not something that dead people do.

She had MS and was experiencing a medical emergency that left her unable to feel her legs. Is it really that far fetched to believe that she was deceased at the time the car was taken?

Yes. What are the chances she died waiting for the wheelchair VS the stress of the car being stolen? Slim. I'd believe the daughter's testimony that she would alive over the criminal's that she was dead.

The daughter was already out of the car and her focus was elsewhere. She cannot say one way or the other if the decedent was alive at the time the car was taken.

So the loophole to felony murder is just the person being alone when you committed the crime. Cool. So just make sure you kidnap and rob people who are alone and if they die you can just say they were already dead.

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6th and C is nowhere near WHC that's a long drive not 30 seconds

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Anonymous wrote:Kayla Brown’s parents contacted 911 to seek help for their daughter who wasn’t acting normal after consuming drugs. Why did the authorities leave her unattended at the hospital? She should have been under constant supervision by hospital staff or security. I feel that this is the fault of our law enforcement and health care system. We need a better way to address mental illness and drug abuse. The law enforcement and hospital need to take some blame for this event.

Do you realize how much staffing is necessary to stay with every patient like the carjacker? Good luck with that.

I had a family member taken into a an ER on psych watch —- two different hospitals and they both had someone stationed at her door to watch. That’s standard protocol for psych admits. Possible she overpowered that person — they aren’t cops, just staffers. But they do typically assign one on one observation for psych cases. And my family member was just a little depressed—not “acting crazy” like this.

Do we know if the carjacker was a psych admit?

I don't even think she'd been admitted yet. From the sounds of the court documents that were released, she and the woman who died just had the misfortune of arriving at the ER at the same time. It does not sound like a mental health crisis, it sounds like she took bad drugs.

She should absolutely be in jail for carjacking - drugs are no excuse. Unfortunately I have no faith in the DC courts to bother if it was just carjacking. However, the court documents also make it sound like the woman who died was mid-heart attack or stroke en route to the ER entrance. So it will be very, very difficult to prove that Kayla killed her. I certainly don't think she died in the crash - if she died, why wasn't Kayla seriously injured?

If the elderly woman was dead at the time Kayla took the car, it isn’t carjacking. You can’t carjack a vehicle from a dead person.

No one is suggesting she carjacked it from the dead woman. The car didn't even belong to the decedent. The car belonged to the decedent's very-much-alive adult daughter. That is who it was carjacked from.

Carjacking isn’t the same as auto theft. It requires that the suspect take the vehicle from the victim’s immediate actual possession. If the victim is inside the hospital getting a wheelchair, she can’t possibly be in immediate actual possession of a vehicle that’s outside.

So. If a mom runs into the store and it's stolen with a 13 year old child inside, itself not carjacking because the kid doesn't own the car?

No. Try to keep up. If the only person in/around the car is dead, Kayle is guilty of auto theft but not carjacking. It has nothing to do with who owns the car.

DP. It's kidnapping and felony murder unless Brown can prove that the passenger was already deceased before she came anywhere near the vehicle.

She doesn’t have to prove a thing. The prosecution will need to prove the decedent was alive at the moment she took the car.

Yes, the prosecution needs to prove it's case. Not difficult - needing a wheelchair is not something that dead people do.

She had MS and was experiencing a medical emergency that left her unable to feel her legs. Is it really that far fetched to believe that she was deceased at the time the car was taken?

Yes. What are the chances she died waiting for the wheelchair VS the stress of the car being stolen? Slim. I'd believe the daughter's testimony that she would alive over the criminal's that she was dead.

The daughter was already out of the car and her focus was elsewhere. She cannot say one way or the other if the decedent was alive at the time the car was taken.

So the loophole to felony murder is just the person being alone when you committed the crime. Cool. So just make sure you kidnap and rob people who are alone and if they die you can just say they were already dead.

Oh FFS. The decedent had a debilitating neurological disease and was actively experiencing a medical emergency and symptoms of a stroke. It’s not a loophole. It’s a reasonable inference from the facts.

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Anonymous wrote:Kayla Brown’s parents contacted 911 to seek help for their daughter who wasn’t acting normal after consuming drugs. Why did the authorities leave her unattended at the hospital? She should have been under constant supervision by hospital staff or security. I feel that this is the fault of our law enforcement and health care system. We need a better way to address mental illness and drug abuse. The law enforcement and hospital need to take some blame for this event.

Do you realize how much staffing is necessary to stay with every patient like the carjacker? Good luck with that.

I had a family member taken into a an ER on psych watch —- two different hospitals and they both had someone stationed at her door to watch. That’s standard protocol for psych admits. Possible she overpowered that person — they aren’t cops, just staffers. But they do typically assign one on one observation for psych cases. And my family member was just a little depressed—not “acting crazy” like this.

Do we know if the carjacker was a psych admit?

I don't even think she'd been admitted yet. From the sounds of the court documents that were released, she and the woman who died just had the misfortune of arriving at the ER at the same time. It does not sound like a mental health crisis, it sounds like she took bad drugs.

She should absolutely be in jail for carjacking - drugs are no excuse. Unfortunately I have no faith in the DC courts to bother if it was just carjacking. However, the court documents also make it sound like the woman who died was mid-heart attack or stroke en route to the ER entrance. So it will be very, very difficult to prove that Kayla killed her. I certainly don't think she died in the crash - if she died, why wasn't Kayla seriously injured?

If the elderly woman was dead at the time Kayla took the car, it isn’t carjacking. You can’t carjack a vehicle from a dead person.

No one is suggesting she carjacked it from the dead woman. The car didn't even belong to the decedent. The car belonged to the decedent's very-much-alive adult daughter. That is who it was carjacked from.

Carjacking isn’t the same as auto theft. It requires that the suspect take the vehicle from the victim’s immediate actual possession. If the victim is inside the hospital getting a wheelchair, she can’t possibly be in immediate actual possession of a vehicle that’s outside.

So. If a mom runs into the store and it's stolen with a 13 year old child inside, itself not carjacking because the kid doesn't own the car?

No. Try to keep up. If the only person in/around the car is dead, Kayle is guilty of auto theft but not carjacking. It has nothing to do with who owns the car.

DP. It's kidnapping and felony murder unless Brown can prove that the passenger was already deceased before she came anywhere near the vehicle.

She doesn’t have to prove a thing. The prosecution will need to prove the decedent was alive at the moment she took the car.

Yes, the prosecution needs to prove it's case. Not difficult - needing a wheelchair is not something that dead people do.

She had MS and was experiencing a medical emergency that left her unable to feel her legs. Is it really that far fetched to believe that she was deceased at the time the car was taken?

Yes. What are the chances she died waiting for the wheelchair VS the stress of the car being stolen? Slim. I'd believe the daughter's testimony that she would alive over the criminal's that she was dead.

The daughter was already out of the car and her focus was elsewhere. She cannot say one way or the other if the decedent was alive at the time the car was taken.

So the loophole to felony murder is just the person being alone when you committed the crime. Cool. So just make sure you kidnap and rob people who are alone and if they die you can just say they were already dead.

Oh FFS. The decedent had a debilitating neurological disease and was actively experiencing a medical emergency and symptoms of a stroke. It’s not a loophole. It’s a reasonable inference from the facts.

No it isn't. If she were having a stroke, she would go into the ED and get treatment. The carjacking and kidnapping killed her, FFS.

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Anonymous wrote:Kayla Brown’s parents contacted 911 to seek help for their daughter who wasn’t acting normal after consuming drugs. Why did the authorities leave her unattended at the hospital? She should have been under constant supervision by hospital staff or security. I feel that this is the fault of our law enforcement and health care system. We need a better way to address mental illness and drug abuse. The law enforcement and hospital need to take some blame for this event.

Do you realize how much staffing is necessary to stay with every patient like the carjacker? Good luck with that.

I had a family member taken into a an ER on psych watch —- two different hospitals and they both had someone stationed at her door to watch. That’s standard protocol for psych admits. Possible she overpowered that person — they aren’t cops, just staffers. But they do typically assign one on one observation for psych cases. And my family member was just a little depressed—not “acting crazy” like this.

Do we know if the carjacker was a psych admit?

I don't even think she'd been admitted yet. From the sounds of the court documents that were released, she and the woman who died just had the misfortune of arriving at the ER at the same time. It does not sound like a mental health crisis, it sounds like she took bad drugs.

She should absolutely be in jail for carjacking - drugs are no excuse. Unfortunately I have no faith in the DC courts to bother if it was just carjacking. However, the court documents also make it sound like the woman who died was mid-heart attack or stroke en route to the ER entrance. So it will be very, very difficult to prove that Kayla killed her. I certainly don't think she died in the crash - if she died, why wasn't Kayla seriously injured?

If the elderly woman was dead at the time Kayla took the car, it isn’t carjacking. You can’t carjack a vehicle from a dead person.

No one is suggesting she carjacked it from the dead woman. The car didn't even belong to the decedent. The car belonged to the decedent's very-much-alive adult daughter. That is who it was carjacked from.

Carjacking isn’t the same as auto theft. It requires that the suspect take the vehicle from the victim’s immediate actual possession. If the victim is inside the hospital getting a wheelchair, she can’t possibly be in immediate actual possession of a vehicle that’s outside.

So. If a mom runs into the store and it's stolen with a 13 year old child inside, itself not carjacking because the kid doesn't own the car?

No. Try to keep up. If the only person in/around the car is dead, Kayle is guilty of auto theft but not carjacking. It has nothing to do with who owns the car.

DP. It's kidnapping and felony murder unless Brown can prove that the passenger was already deceased before she came anywhere near the vehicle.

She doesn’t have to prove a thing. The prosecution will need to prove the decedent was alive at the moment she took the car.

Yes, the prosecution needs to prove it's case. Not difficult - needing a wheelchair is not something that dead people do.

She had MS and was experiencing a medical emergency that left her unable to feel her legs. Is it really that far fetched to believe that she was deceased at the time the car was taken?

Yes. What are the chances she died waiting for the wheelchair VS the stress of the car being stolen? Slim. I'd believe the daughter's testimony that she would alive over the criminal's that she was dead.

The daughter was already out of the car and her focus was elsewhere. She cannot say one way or the other if the decedent was alive at the time the car was taken.

So the loophole to felony murder is just the person being alone when you committed the crime. Cool. So just make sure you kidnap and rob people who are alone and if they die you can just say they were already dead.

Oh FFS. The decedent had a debilitating neurological disease and was actively experiencing a medical emergency and symptoms of a stroke. It’s not a loophole. It’s a reasonable inference from the facts.

No it isn't. If she were having a stroke, she would go into the ED and get treatment. The carjacking and kidnapping killed her, FFS.

Let’s example plausible causes of death.

1. Car crash.
2. Medical emergency during carjacking and joy ride.
3. Violently attacked during carjacking and joy ride.
4. Medical emergency during the minutely small window of time after relative exited vehicle to get wheelchair and immediately before alleged carjacker entered vehicle.

No rational person would believe that #4 is the most likely.

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Anonymous wrote:Kayla Brown’s parents contacted 911 to seek help for their daughter who wasn’t acting normal after consuming drugs. Why did the authorities leave her unattended at the hospital? She should have been under constant supervision by hospital staff or security. I feel that this is the fault of our law enforcement and health care system. We need a better way to address mental illness and drug abuse. The law enforcement and hospital need to take some blame for this event.

Do you realize how much staffing is necessary to stay with every patient like the carjacker? Good luck with that.

I had a family member taken into a an ER on psych watch —- two different hospitals and they both had someone stationed at her door to watch. That’s standard protocol for psych admits. Possible she overpowered that person — they aren’t cops, just staffers. But they do typically assign one on one observation for psych cases. And my family member was just a little depressed—not “acting crazy” like this.

Do we know if the carjacker was a psych admit?

I don't even think she'd been admitted yet. From the sounds of the court documents that were released, she and the woman who died just had the misfortune of arriving at the ER at the same time. It does not sound like a mental health crisis, it sounds like she took bad drugs.

She should absolutely be in jail for carjacking - drugs are no excuse. Unfortunately I have no faith in the DC courts to bother if it was just carjacking. However, the court documents also make it sound like the woman who died was mid-heart attack or stroke en route to the ER entrance. So it will be very, very difficult to prove that Kayla killed her. I certainly don't think she died in the crash - if she died, why wasn't Kayla seriously injured?

If the elderly woman was dead at the time Kayla took the car, it isn’t carjacking. You can’t carjack a vehicle from a dead person.

No one is suggesting she carjacked it from the dead woman. The car didn't even belong to the decedent. The car belonged to the decedent's very-much-alive adult daughter. That is who it was carjacked from.

Carjacking isn’t the same as auto theft. It requires that the suspect take the vehicle from the victim’s immediate actual possession. If the victim is inside the hospital getting a wheelchair, she can’t possibly be in immediate actual possession of a vehicle that’s outside.

So. If a mom runs into the store and it's stolen with a 13 year old child inside, itself not carjacking because the kid doesn't own the car?

No. Try to keep up. If the only person in/around the car is dead, Kayle is guilty of auto theft but not carjacking. It has nothing to do with who owns the car.

F off with your superiority complex "try to keep up." A woman is DEAD. This is not some GAME.

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Miles. The poor woman's last moments were full of terror.

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Anonymous wrote:The arrested driver is a 22 year old who was at the hospital and “walked away from her family.” Sounds like she may have been the patient, maybe in crisis (mental, drugs?). The “elderly” woman was only 55 years old!
https://www.popville.com/2024/06/female-arrested-in-a-northwest-carjacking/#more-299868

I love the constant speculation that only and always tried to find a way to absolve this person of responsibility. Why not just wait for and rely on the facts?

Why are you so invested in a narrative that says this woman is an unrepentant monster? What do you gain from closing your mind off to the (pretty reasonable) possibility that she was not in her right mind?

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NP. I don't care. She killed someone, and Kayla Kenisha Brown needs to be taken out of society forever, be it in a classic prison or -- if "not in her right mind" -- then she needs to be locked up forever in one of the few remaining high security psychiatric facilities. ala John Hinckley.

Can't wait to see the toxicology report

Disagree, condolences to the family. But clearly the young 22 year old woman needs substance help, recovery and we need to know what the drug is. It's also possible she has mental health issues. No one should be caged for life, I prefer the European model.

This. She needs help, not a cage.

She needs to be involuntarily committed to an institution where she cannot get out to hurt someone else. She needs to stay in that facility until she is no longer a threat to anyone else, even if that means being committed for life. Obviously with Hinckley, he was able to show that he was no longer a threat and was released, but she should be committed until she is safe to release into society. But someone who has a substance abuse issue where they cannot control themselves and commits crimes while under the influence is a danger to society and needs to be kept away from society.

+1 you kill someone, you face consequences

Really just don't care about her snowflake mental health. Doing drugs is not an excuse, same as drunk driving.