I hate Trump, but I get why a huge part of middle America loves him

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Trumps record:

COVID vaccine released on his watch - 12/14/2020
Energy independence
Thriving economy
Lowest minority unemployment
No inflation
No wars
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Anonymous wrote:What have Democrats done to actually help poor people of any race? They allow in millions of migrants to flood the market with cheap labor, have public school teachers focused on everything except teaching marketable skills, push expensive electric vehicles the poor can’t afford, expensive gas, soft-on-criminals policies make the streets & public transit dangerous, push the perception that racism is so bad poor people don’t have a chance without the government’s help…..

Which party supports increasing the minimum wage!

Which party supports paid sick leave?

Which party supports universal health insurance?

Which party supports labor unions?

Which party introduced Social Security?

Which party introduced the WPA during the Great Depression?

Which party introduced relief for the unemployed?

Which party implemented measures in the 1960s that decreased poverty in the US by 30%?

Which party supported the electrification of rural America?

Which party supports increasing the social safety network?

Finally, which party supports lowering taxes on billionaires?

Yes, wise-up broke-ass MAGAs.

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Is lying, cheating, stealing, and selling national security information to enrich yourself really that bad??? MAGA!

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Anonymous wrote:NP. First, I’m not voting for Trump or donating to his campaign because Jan. 6th was an attempted coup and I cannot support the party attempting to overthrow democracy.

But OP, I get it and I agree with you generally. What is particularly disgusting to me is the gaslighting we get from the Democrats. It’s as if they think people are stupid.

No, crime isn’t down. We all live it. Just because you instruct police not to report crimes doesn’t mean it’s down in reality. I know more people who have experienced crime in the past four years than the previous twenty combined.

No, immigration isn’t a non-issue. We can all see the sharp increase in homelessness under Biden over the past four years. My previously safe neighborhood now has serious problems with homelessness. And these are folks who are out of their minds on drugs, victimized by a raging drug trafficking organization.

No, I’m not going to pretend that sex-based differences do not exist and that hard fought safe spaces that women have literally died to earn should be sacrificed to appease the religious beliefs of natal males. Female bodies have been literally killed — are still disproportionately killed — and yet you want to pretend all of that history has disappeared because some privileged males want to destroy sex-based rights? GTFO.

Stop the gaslighting, Democrats. It’s ridiculous.

Typical low IQ MAGA take.

Typical dim gaslighting from progressives with no ability to substantively address issues.

You are why Trump will win.

Shut it. You’re not fighting “progressives.” You’re fighting party-line Democrats who themselves hate the progressive wing of the party.

It doesn’t matter. The refusal to deal with what people across the country are experiencing and living (and instead gaslighting them) is going to cost Democrats the election.

Democrats depend on voter turnout to win. That happens when people feel heard and feel like their reality is at least seen. The Democrats aren’t doing that now and instead going all out with gaslighting. It’s a failing strategy.

What is Trump doing to deal with what I am experiencing and living? All I hear from him are petty insults and complaining about how the world is unfair to him.

He is doing literally nothing. He will not accomplish anything, consistent with his prior administration.

But what he isn’t doing is telling people to pretend that their reality isn’t what they are experiencing. He isn’t telling people that crime is down (when people experience a sharp uptick in crime), he isn’t telling them that inflation is down when everybody can compare grocery costs, he isn’t telling people that their daughters should shut up and be happy with lose to biological boys, he isn’t telling people that unconditional support for Israel is bringing peace to the Middle East, he isn’t telling people that just a few more billion dollars will stop the war in Ukraine.

He’s got dementia, he is incompetent, he is a malignant narcissist, and genuinely a terrible person. But he is not asking people to ignore their own lived experiences and reality. And that is why he is resonating.

I agree with some of what you are saying...but crime is down in most places (but sadly not DC) and inflation is down (I just bought 18 eggs for $1.99 when we all remember they were $6 for a dozen at the peak; gas is now under $3/gallon in many places; airfares were definitely cheaper this past holiday season compared to prior two years). Trump also offers unconditional support for Israel, but I don't hear much foreign policy.

Look, I don’t know what to tell you. I am a Democrat who predicted that Trump would win in spring of 2016 because I saw that he was emotionally resonating with people who felt gaslit and unheard by the Democrats. I posted as much in DCUM and was mocked for it back then. Now I see the Democrats making the same mistake here, telling people that they aren’t experiencing what they clearly are experiencing. Trump is an awful, terrible person who is a direct threat to democracy and yet at this point I think he is going to win, unless his dementia becomes too much to hide. It’s extremely depressing.

I agree and it is depressing.

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Anonymous wrote:People are so simple and so gullible. This guy has been this same selfish bigoted corrupt idiot for a full decade. How can anyone listen to him for a minute and believe “He is the only one who really cares about me!”

They don’t believe he cares for them. They believe nobody cares for them, and Trump validates that feeling. He tells them that yes, they are correct, nobody actually cares about you or your issues. I think this group of voters has given up entirely on any politicians trying to actually care about them, so they vote for the one who at least makes them feel heard.

That’s bullshit though. His biggest supporters are not powerless sad sacks. They are politically connected in their communities - car dealers, realtors, assorted small business hustlers, etc., who don’t want to be taxed or regulated and don’t want to have to hide their bigotry. Lack of any civility or conscience is what unites them.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. First, I’m not voting for Trump or donating to his campaign because Jan. 6th was an attempted coup and I cannot support the party attempting to overthrow democracy.

But OP, I get it and I agree with you generally. What is particularly disgusting to me is the gaslighting we get from the Democrats. It’s as if they think people are stupid.

No, crime isn’t down. We all live it. Just because you instruct police not to report crimes doesn’t mean it’s down in reality. I know more people who have experienced crime in the past four years than the previous twenty combined.

No, immigration isn’t a non-issue. We can all see the sharp increase in homelessness under Biden over the past four years. My previously safe neighborhood now has serious problems with homelessness. And these are folks who are out of their minds on drugs, victimized by a raging drug trafficking organization.

No, I’m not going to pretend that sex-based differences do not exist and that hard fought safe spaces that women have literally died to earn should be sacrificed to appease the religious beliefs of natal males. Female bodies have been literally killed — are still disproportionately killed — and yet you want to pretend all of that history has disappeared because some privileged males want to destroy sex-based rights? GTFO.

Stop the gaslighting, Democrats. It’s ridiculous.

Typical low IQ MAGA take.

Typical dim gaslighting from progressives with no ability to substantively address issues.

You are why Trump will win.

Shut it. You’re not fighting “progressives.” You’re fighting party-line Democrats who themselves hate the progressive wing of the party.

It doesn’t matter. The refusal to deal with what people across the country are experiencing and living (and instead gaslighting them) is going to cost Democrats the election.

Democrats depend on voter turnout to win. That happens when people feel heard and feel like their reality is at least seen. The Democrats aren’t doing that now and instead going all out with gaslighting. It’s a failing strategy.

What is Trump doing to deal with what I am experiencing and living? All I hear from him are petty insults and complaining about how the world is unfair to him.

He is doing literally nothing. He will not accomplish anything, consistent with his prior administration.

But what he isn’t doing is telling people to pretend that their reality isn’t what they are experiencing. He isn’t telling people that crime is down (when people experience a sharp uptick in crime), he isn’t telling them that inflation is down when everybody can compare grocery costs, he isn’t telling people that their daughters should shut up and be happy with lose to biological boys, he isn’t telling people that unconditional support for Israel is bringing peace to the Middle East, he isn’t telling people that just a few more billion dollars will stop the war in Ukraine.

He’s got dementia, he is incompetent, he is a malignant narcissist, and genuinely a terrible person. But he is not asking people to ignore their own lived experiences and reality. And that is why he is resonating.

I agree with some of what you are saying...but crime is down in most places (but sadly not DC) and inflation is down (I just bought 18 eggs for $1.99 when we all remember they were $6 for a dozen at the peak; gas is now under $3/gallon in many places; airfares were definitely cheaper this past holiday season compared to prior two years). Trump also offers unconditional support for Israel, but I don't hear much foreign policy.

Look, I don’t know what to tell you. I am a Democrat who predicted that Trump would win in spring of 2016 because I saw that he was emotionally resonating with people who felt gaslit and unheard by the Democrats. I posted as much in DCUM and was mocked for it back then. Now I see the Democrats making the same mistake here, telling people that they aren’t experiencing what they clearly are experiencing. Trump is an awful, terrible person who is a direct threat to democracy and yet at this point I think he is going to win, unless his dementia becomes too much to hide. It’s extremely depressing.

I agree and it is depressing.

His support has shrunk continually since he was inaugurated in 2017. He’s going to get smoked in the general election. He’s the most hated person in U.S. history. By far.

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Anonymous wrote:People are so simple and so gullible. This guy has been this same selfish bigoted corrupt idiot for a full decade. How can anyone listen to him for a minute and believe “He is the only one who really cares about me!”

They don’t believe he cares for them. They believe nobody cares for them, and Trump validates that feeling. He tells them that yes, they are correct, nobody actually cares about you or your issues. I think this group of voters has given up entirely on any politicians trying to actually care about them, so they vote for the one who at least makes them feel heard.

Ah yes. Won’t someone spare a thought for the pain of the poor, uncared-for, boat owners of the United States.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/boats-sink-trump-boat-parade-texas-lake/story?id=72841006

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The funny thing is Trump wouldn't piss on the working and lower-middle-class whites who make up his base ("I love the poorly educated!")

He finds them repugnant... But they're easy to hoodwink and, better yet for him, they want so, soooooo little in return for their blind support.

Owning the libs doesn't actually do anything for struggling whites, but they like the feeling. Like Trump says, "suckers and losers."

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Anonymous wrote:NP. First, I’m not voting for Trump or donating to his campaign because Jan. 6th was an attempted coup and I cannot support the party attempting to overthrow democracy.

But OP, I get it and I agree with you generally. What is particularly disgusting to me is the gaslighting we get from the Democrats. It’s as if they think people are stupid.

No, crime isn’t down. We all live it. Just because you instruct police not to report crimes doesn’t mean it’s down in reality. I know more people who have experienced crime in the past four years than the previous twenty combined.

No, immigration isn’t a non-issue. We can all see the sharp increase in homelessness under Biden over the past four years. My previously safe neighborhood now has serious problems with homelessness. And these are folks who are out of their minds on drugs, victimized by a raging drug trafficking organization.

No, I’m not going to pretend that sex-based differences do not exist and that hard fought safe spaces that women have literally died to earn should be sacrificed to appease the religious beliefs of natal males. Female bodies have been literally killed — are still disproportionately killed — and yet you want to pretend all of that history has disappeared because some privileged males want to destroy sex-based rights? GTFO.

Stop the gaslighting, Democrats. It’s ridiculous.

Typical low IQ MAGA take.

Typical dim gaslighting from progressives with no ability to substantively address issues.

You are why Trump will win.

Shut it. You’re not fighting “progressives.” You’re fighting party-line Democrats who themselves hate the progressive wing of the party.

It doesn’t matter. The refusal to deal with what people across the country are experiencing and living (and instead gaslighting them) is going to cost Democrats the election.

Democrats depend on voter turnout to win. That happens when people feel heard and feel like their reality is at least seen. The Democrats aren’t doing that now and instead going all out with gaslighting. It’s a failing strategy.

What is Trump doing to deal with what I am experiencing and living? All I hear from him are petty insults and complaining about how the world is unfair to him.

He is doing literally nothing. He will not accomplish anything, consistent with his prior administration.

But what he isn’t doing is telling people to pretend that their reality isn’t what they are experiencing. He isn’t telling people that crime is down (when people experience a sharp uptick in crime), he isn’t telling them that inflation is down when everybody can compare grocery costs, he isn’t telling people that their daughters should shut up and be happy with lose to biological boys, he isn’t telling people that unconditional support for Israel is bringing peace to the Middle East, he isn’t telling people that just a few more billion dollars will stop the war in Ukraine.

He’s got dementia, he is incompetent, he is a malignant narcissist, and genuinely a terrible person. But he is not asking people to ignore their own lived experiences and reality. And that is why he is resonating.

I agree with some of what you are saying...but crime is down in most places (but sadly not DC) and inflation is down (I just bought 18 eggs for $1.99 when we all remember they were $6 for a dozen at the peak; gas is now under $3/gallon in many places; airfares were definitely cheaper this past holiday season compared to prior two years). Trump also offers unconditional support for Israel, but I don't hear much foreign policy.

Look, I don’t know what to tell you. I am a Democrat who predicted that Trump would win in spring of 2016 because I saw that he was emotionally resonating with people who felt gaslit and unheard by the Democrats. I posted as much in DCUM and was mocked for it back then. Now I see the Democrats making the same mistake here, telling people that they aren’t experiencing what they clearly are experiencing. Trump is an awful, terrible person who is a direct threat to democracy and yet at this point I think he is going to win, unless his dementia becomes too much to hide. It’s extremely depressing.

I agree and it is depressing.

His support has shrunk continually since he was inaugurated in 2017. He’s going to get smoked in the general election. He’s the most hated person in U.S. history. By far.

Trump deserves the strong dislike/hate cast upon him by a majority of Americans. He'll still get 45% to 50% of the popular vote in the general election and he'll have at least a 50/50 chance of winning assuming Biden is his opponent.

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Anonymous wrote:The funny thing is Trump wouldn't piss on the working and lower-middle-class whites who make up his base ("I love the poorly educated!")

He finds them repugnant... But they're easy to hoodwink and, better yet for him, they want so, soooooo little in return for their blind support.

Owning the libs doesn't actually do anything for struggling whites, but they like the feeling. Like Trump says, "suckers and losers."

This true, Trump actually do little for the MAGA peoples.

But they love mr. Trump because he only politican to address the MAGA peoples. Everyone else do not want the white wokers vote.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump's not going to win. He's a former president who barely broke 50% in NH.

If you seeing the breakdown, many cross party voter go for Nikki.

Also in NH, the democratic primary vote do no count this time.

Only 6% of NH voters in the Republican primary were Democrats.
https://www.cnn.com/election/2024/primaries-and-caucuses/exit-polls/new-hampshire/republican-primary/0

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Anonymous wrote:NP. First, I’m not voting for Trump or donating to his campaign because Jan. 6th was an attempted coup and I cannot support the party attempting to overthrow democracy.

But OP, I get it and I agree with you generally. What is particularly disgusting to me is the gaslighting we get from the Democrats. It’s as if they think people are stupid.

No, crime isn’t down. We all live it. Just because you instruct police not to report crimes doesn’t mean it’s down in reality. I know more people who have experienced crime in the past four years than the previous twenty combined.

No, immigration isn’t a non-issue. We can all see the sharp increase in homelessness under Biden over the past four years. My previously safe neighborhood now has serious problems with homelessness. And these are folks who are out of their minds on drugs, victimized by a raging drug trafficking organization.

No, I’m not going to pretend that sex-based differences do not exist and that hard fought safe spaces that women have literally died to earn should be sacrificed to appease the religious beliefs of natal males. Female bodies have been literally killed — are still disproportionately killed — and yet you want to pretend all of that history has disappeared because some privileged males want to destroy sex-based rights? GTFO.

Stop the gaslighting, Democrats. It’s ridiculous.

Typical low IQ MAGA take.

Typical dim gaslighting from progressives with no ability to substantively address issues.

You are why Trump will win.

Shut it. You’re not fighting “progressives.” You’re fighting party-line Democrats who themselves hate the progressive wing of the party.

It doesn’t matter. The refusal to deal with what people across the country are experiencing and living (and instead gaslighting them) is going to cost Democrats the election.

Democrats depend on voter turnout to win. That happens when people feel heard and feel like their reality is at least seen. The Democrats aren’t doing that now and instead going all out with gaslighting. It’s a failing strategy.

What is Trump doing to deal with what I am experiencing and living? All I hear from him are petty insults and complaining about how the world is unfair to him.

He is doing literally nothing. He will not accomplish anything, consistent with his prior administration.

But what he isn’t doing is telling people to pretend that their reality isn’t what they are experiencing. He isn’t telling people that crime is down (when people experience a sharp uptick in crime), he isn’t telling them that inflation is down when everybody can compare grocery costs, he isn’t telling people that their daughters should shut up and be happy with lose to biological boys, he isn’t telling people that unconditional support for Israel is bringing peace to the Middle East, he isn’t telling people that just a few more billion dollars will stop the war in Ukraine.

He’s got dementia, he is incompetent, he is a malignant narcissist, and genuinely a terrible person. But he is not asking people to ignore their own lived experiences and reality. And that is why he is resonating.

I agree with some of what you are saying...but crime is down in most places (but sadly not DC) and inflation is down (I just bought 18 eggs for $1.99 when we all remember they were $6 for a dozen at the peak; gas is now under $3/gallon in many places; airfares were definitely cheaper this past holiday season compared to prior two years). Trump also offers unconditional support for Israel, but I don't hear much foreign policy.

Look, I don’t know what to tell you. I am a Democrat who predicted that Trump would win in spring of 2016 because I saw that he was emotionally resonating with people who felt gaslit and unheard by the Democrats. I posted as much in DCUM and was mocked for it back then. Now I see the Democrats making the same mistake here, telling people that they aren’t experiencing what they clearly are experiencing. Trump is an awful, terrible person who is a direct threat to democracy and yet at this point I think he is going to win, unless his dementia becomes too much to hide. It’s extremely depressing.

I agree and it is depressing.

His support has shrunk continually since he was inaugurated in 2017. He’s going to get smoked in the general election. He’s the most hated person in U.S. history. By far.

Trump deserves the strong dislike/hate cast upon him by a majority of Americans. He'll still get 45% to 50% of the popular vote in the general election and he'll have at least a 50/50 chance of winning assuming Biden is his opponent.

He’s never hit 47% before and he won’t this time.

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Anonymous wrote:The funny thing is Trump wouldn't piss on the working and lower-middle-class whites who make up his base ("I love the poorly educated!")

He finds them repugnant... But they're easy to hoodwink and, better yet for him, they want so, soooooo little in return for their blind support.

Owning the libs doesn't actually do anything for struggling whites, but they like the feeling. Like Trump says, "suckers and losers."

This true, Trump actually do little for the MAGA peoples.

But they love mr. Trump because he only politican to address the MAGA peoples. Everyone else do not want the white wokers vote.

There are plenty of white workers who are not angry delusional bigots. Trump’s supporters are not sympathetic victims. Trump intentionally targets their prejudice and paranoia. He’s a sociopath.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. First, I’m not voting for Trump or donating to his campaign because Jan. 6th was an attempted coup and I cannot support the party attempting to overthrow democracy.

But OP, I get it and I agree with you generally. What is particularly disgusting to me is the gaslighting we get from the Democrats. It’s as if they think people are stupid.

No, crime isn’t down. We all live it. Just because you instruct police not to report crimes doesn’t mean it’s down in reality. I know more people who have experienced crime in the past four years than the previous twenty combined.

No, immigration isn’t a non-issue. We can all see the sharp increase in homelessness under Biden over the past four years. My previously safe neighborhood now has serious problems with homelessness. And these are folks who are out of their minds on drugs, victimized by a raging drug trafficking organization.

No, I’m not going to pretend that sex-based differences do not exist and that hard fought safe spaces that women have literally died to earn should be sacrificed to appease the religious beliefs of natal males. Female bodies have been literally killed — are still disproportionately killed — and yet you want to pretend all of that history has disappeared because some privileged males want to destroy sex-based rights? GTFO.

Stop the gaslighting, Democrats. It’s ridiculous.

Typical low IQ MAGA take.

Typical dim gaslighting from progressives with no ability to substantively address issues.

You are why Trump will win.

Shut it. You’re not fighting “progressives.” You’re fighting party-line Democrats who themselves hate the progressive wing of the party.

It doesn’t matter. The refusal to deal with what people across the country are experiencing and living (and instead gaslighting them) is going to cost Democrats the election.

Democrats depend on voter turnout to win. That happens when people feel heard and feel like their reality is at least seen. The Democrats aren’t doing that now and instead going all out with gaslighting. It’s a failing strategy.

What is Trump doing to deal with what I am experiencing and living? All I hear from him are petty insults and complaining about how the world is unfair to him.

He is doing literally nothing. He will not accomplish anything, consistent with his prior administration.

But what he isn’t doing is telling people to pretend that their reality isn’t what they are experiencing. He isn’t telling people that crime is down (when people experience a sharp uptick in crime), he isn’t telling them that inflation is down when everybody can compare grocery costs, he isn’t telling people that their daughters should shut up and be happy with lose to biological boys, he isn’t telling people that unconditional support for Israel is bringing peace to the Middle East, he isn’t telling people that just a few more billion dollars will stop the war in Ukraine.

He’s got dementia, he is incompetent, he is a malignant narcissist, and genuinely a terrible person. But he is not asking people to ignore their own lived experiences and reality. And that is why he is resonating.

I agree with some of what you are saying...but crime is down in most places (but sadly not DC) and inflation is down (I just bought 18 eggs for $1.99 when we all remember they were $6 for a dozen at the peak; gas is now under $3/gallon in many places; airfares were definitely cheaper this past holiday season compared to prior two years). Trump also offers unconditional support for Israel, but I don't hear much foreign policy.

Laughable. A little over a year ago Democrats were trying to blame an impending economic hard landing on Jerome Powell 'a GOP appointed chair's (even though Biden re-hired him). Now that the Fed has gotten inflation tamed, Dems try to give Biden credit. Complete insanity, you can't have it both ways. The voters aren't stupid. The Fed is the single biggest reason inflation is coming back down, and Biden is a big reason why inflation went up for so long because of his stupid policies that dumped more money into the economy than was necessary, thereby exacerbating inflation. No one is going to give Biden credit on inflation when it is the Fed and Biden has made it worse.

Your thinking is too complex. If gas prices are now below $3, then that is enough to convince most people that inflation is down. To think 99% of people even know who Jerome Powell is is the laughable point…probably the #1 guess would be Colin Powell’s brother.

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Anonymous wrote:People are so simple and so gullible. This guy has been this same selfish bigoted corrupt idiot for a full decade. How can anyone listen to him for a minute and believe “He is the only one who really cares about me!”

They don’t believe he cares for them. They believe nobody cares for them, and Trump validates that feeling. He tells them that yes, they are correct, nobody actually cares about you or your issues. I think this group of voters has given up entirely on any politicians trying to actually care about them, so they vote for the one who at least makes them feel heard.

That’s bullshit though. His biggest supporters are not powerless sad sacks. They are politically connected in their communities - car dealers, realtors, assorted small business hustlers, etc., who don’t want to be taxed or regulated and don’t want to have to hide their bigotry. Lack of any civility or conscience is what unites them.

While I believe this is a major part of his base, I’d love to see actual data. I do not believe poor whites break for Biden, particularly in purple or red states.