I hate Trump, but I get why a huge part of middle America loves him

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Anonymous wrote:What have Democrats done to actually help poor people of any race? They allow in millions of migrants to flood the market with cheap labor, have public school teachers focused on everything except teaching marketable skills, push expensive electric vehicles the poor can’t afford, expensive gas, soft-on-criminals policies make the streets & public transit dangerous, push the perception that racism is so bad poor people don’t have a chance without the government’s help…..

I guess you missed the job creation, the open SBA loans to poor and minority business, the relief of education debt to certain student loan recipients, the historic grants to HBCU's and the general lift of the overall economy which has meant higher wages, lower unemployment etc for everyone but people of color have benefited more, because generally, they were starting at a worse place.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm reading this book right now When McKinsey Comes to Town. McKinsey's consultants, largely made up on uber elitists from ivy league schools who live on the coasts, have for years been the architects of wealth inequality. McKinsey consultants were the ones who came up with idea that CEOs needed to make 300x the average worker. It was McKinsey consultants who constantly pushed the idea of off shoring and downsizing that have gutted manufacturing and many middle class jobs. McKinsey consultants are also the ones who also worked for the FDA while simultaneously consulting for Purdue to supercharge sales of opioids. And who paid the price and had their families and lives ruined? All of the poor in those areas the disgusting elitists call flyover country. In another example, McKisney also consulted for the Chinese CCP on artificial island building in the South China Sea while working for the US department of defense. And who'll be sent into the meat grinder when there's a conflict in the SCS? All of the poor people and their kids. There are just so many examples in the book - it's so disturbing.

And people wonder why huge swaths of America hate the liberal costal elitists. I mean just look how many McKinsey almuni infect our govt like virus (Pete Buttgeig, Lael Brainard, etc.). Trump has appeal because he isn't from the same swamp producing and employing the likes of McKinsey consultsnts that have been ruining the country for the last 50 years and creating massive wealth inequality. It's largely the elite college educated, urban Democrats who choose to go work for companies like McKinsey, Wall St. etc. that have been gutting their jobs and destroying the livelihood of the middle class.

Narrator: a lot of the people who work at places like McKinsey are republicans but huge swaths of Americans have been duped to believe those Ivy Educated coastal elites, you know, like Donald Trump, Steve Mnuchin, Wilbur Ross, Sen. Hawley, Sen. Cruz are the enemy.

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Anonymous wrote:I think OP has some stereotypes in her post that aren't quite accurate.

But, I will say that when voters compare Biden and Trump, they find that Biden's policies have largely benefited high income earners and not so much the poor and middle class.

His push to redistribute student loan payments benefits mostly advanced degree upper income earners while saddling the middle class with the payments. Likewise, the subsidies for EVs benefits the wealthy. Few middle class/poor can afford or choose to buy EVs. There are many other examples.

And, inflation has not helped. While the rate of inflation has slowed, prices have not decreased.

https://reason.com/2022/08/06/biden-comforts-the-comfortable/

The bolded is simply factually incorrect. And it is so wring because lower and middle class in the US have benefited signficantly from the wage growth and other economic indicators that are a direct result of bills sponsored by this administration.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump’s supporters are not competing with undocumented immigrants. His supporters are the people who employ undocumented immigrants.

This. I live in white flyover country. The immigrants aren’t taking our jobs. There are job openings everywhere with competitive pay and signing bonuses.

My husband has been laid off for two months and cannot find a job. He’s never had that problem before. He’s in the tech field and very talented but it seems the odds are stacked against him.

Then he isn't looking very hard for a job, or his role has been replaced by A, which isn't Biden's fault.

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Anonymous wrote:The millions of immigrants talking point doesn’t make sense other than as a talking point.

Trump was President for four years. He had control of the house and senate when he came to power. He didn’t fix immigration. Some of the biggest obstacles to fixing immigration come from interests in his party.

So…why do you think he’ll fix it?

This point might have any intellectual resonance if it was “neither candidate currently running has made the progress I want on immigration” but it’s not a pro Trump point.

Unless you’re a troll.

Is this gaslighting? Because illegal migration fell sharply under Turnip. *Sharply*. And the Democrats fought him tooth and nail the entire time. They opposed every single thing he did to control migration. Remember the children in cages they ranted and screamed about, never mind that it started under Obama?

When Biden took office, illegal migration exploded. Don't you remember the first caravan of 100k illegal migrants marching through Mexico telling the whole world they were going for the border and effectively daring Biden to let them in. And he did. And that sent a message to the world.

But it's hard not to believe that the reason illegal crossings have gotten out of control is because the WH really doesn't care and has no interest in doing anything about it because the policy makers and staffers are firm believers in open borders. Which is why they - do nothing - and sue the border states for actually doing something to control the tide of migration.

Regarding Turnip's popularity, when he was president, he by and large didn't do very much. Cut taxes and made noises about the border and the border wall with some noticeable effects, and did a lot of international diplomacy that, intentional or not, corresponded with a world that had no wars or invasions and yet breakthroughs like the Abrahamic Accords. He was derided for making noises about China and Russia that later turned out to be true (remember when the Germans hysterically blew him off when he told them not to build the Nord Stream pipeline as it would only embolden Putin? Har har). But at home, he left people alone. There was no massive swathes of new bureaucracy, new regulations, new policies, no cancel culture, no judging or shaming or pretending to have the higher moral road. He made fun of the progressive left, but he also left them alone at the same time.

One cannot say that about the Democrats under Biden.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a typical educated and wealthy DC-area striver. Atheist, support women's right to choose, value the diversity of cultures in this world, etc. I wouldn't say no to a tax cut, lol. I'm going to be good whoever gets elected.

We gotta face facts, though. Most of America is not like DC. It's hugely white, under-educated, under-employed people, who have been truly screwed over by progressive policies.

They have to compete with millions upon millions of lower cost illegal migrants flooding across the borders. They have been penalized by the color of their skin when applying to college and jobs. Suicide, depression, opioids, wars they have to fight and die in...it has gotten quite bad.

Once upon a time, democrats valued this massive part of America. Do they still? Can they?

Your post suggests otherwise.

My thoughts exactly. Bunch of RWNJ drivel. Troll farms are in high gear these days. Russia wants Trump back in office.

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Anonymous wrote:The millions of immigrants talking point doesn’t make sense other than as a talking point.

Trump was President for four years. He had control of the house and senate when he came to power. He didn’t fix immigration. Some of the biggest obstacles to fixing immigration come from interests in his party.

So…why do you think he’ll fix it?

This point might have any intellectual resonance if it was “neither candidate currently running has made the progress I want on immigration” but it’s not a pro Trump point.

Unless you’re a troll.

Is this gaslighting? Because illegal migration fell sharply under Turnip. *Sharply*. And the Democrats fought him tooth and nail the entire time. They opposed every single thing he did to control migration. Remember the children in cages they ranted and screamed about, never mind that it started under Obama?

When Biden took office, illegal migration exploded. Don't you remember the first caravan of 100k illegal migrants marching through Mexico telling the whole world they were going for the border and effectively daring Biden to let them in. And he did. And that sent a message to the world.

But it's hard not to believe that the reason illegal crossings have gotten out of control is because the WH really doesn't care and has no interest in doing anything about it because the policy makers and staffers are firm believers in open borders. Which is why they - do nothing - and sue the border states for actually doing something to control the tide of migration.

Regarding Turnip's popularity, when he was president, he by and large didn't do very much. Cut taxes and made noises about the border and the border wall with some noticeable effects, and did a lot of international diplomacy that, intentional or not, corresponded with a world that had no wars or invasions and yet breakthroughs like the Abrahamic Accords. He was derided for making noises about China and Russia that later turned out to be true (remember when the Germans hysterically blew him off when he told them not to build the Nord Stream pipeline as it would only embolden Putin? Har har). But at home, he left people alone. There was no massive swathes of new bureaucracy, new regulations, new policies, no cancel culture, no judging or shaming or pretending to have the higher moral road. He made fun of the progressive left, but he also left them alone at the same time.

One cannot say that about the Democrats under Biden.

Your complete disconnect from reality is disturbing. This is why our country is going to hell...so many ignorant slubs convinced they know things after being brainwashed by the Right. Trump is a liar, a criminal and a traitor and will only serve himself in a second term. He will have no motivation to remain unchecked. He will flush democracy down the toilet in his own self interest. He is saying what he will do and it's all awful.

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Anonymous wrote:your husband isn't the only talented person in the world. Is not not possible that another candidate (white or POC) could actually have better skill, more experience or the right kind of experience for an organization?

Try to find a POC as talented as her husband that can’t get hired in a good position immediately. I’ll wait. It’s illegal.

But you don't know how talented he is. you are taking her word. Find a spouse that will throw their other half under the bus. I'll wait.

again an assumption. If this were true, by all economic indices, POC would be doing better economically. The data shows, by large this to not be true.

I am a hiring manager at one of the Big 4. There are tons of highly skilled POC we don't hire. Just as there are tons of white people that don't make it either. I see a spectrum of people come before me. Many of the tech"brilliant minds" also have social anxiety, as well as communication and business acumen skills that are mediocre at best. There are some positions where our tech analyst do not need to interact with clients and other stakeholders. so we can hire these types for these roles. but guess what, those positions are less than 1% of all positions in my division. I need people who can put together coherent and high quality proposals (write), can communicate and answer questions confidently and clearly and know how to close deals, or negotiate. So I will not hire a 10/10 technical knowledge person that can't do these things. I will take a 7 or 8 anyway because we can always supplement or improve technical knowledge. people who are natural at the client relations and have excellent business acumen are rare. So folks that have potential any these areas are going to win out.

And back to organizations hiring just POC. We had a white guy file a complaint that he didn't get a promotion over a POC. He lost because 72 percent of people promoted that cycle were white. specific to him, his performance exceeded expectation, but he was not the highest performer. but from his limited view he thought he was. but go ahead and keep assuming that y'all are the only best option out there. I know it's sad to think that some version brown skin could ever be as smart or talented as you. And this is why we are where we are as a country (partially).

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Anonymous wrote:What have Democrats done to actually help poor people of any race? They allow in millions of migrants to flood the market with cheap labor, have public school teachers focused on everything except teaching marketable skills, push expensive electric vehicles the poor can’t afford, expensive gas, soft-on-criminals policies make the streets & public transit dangerous, push the perception that racism is so bad poor people don’t have a chance without the government’s help…..

I guess you missed the job creation, the open SBA loans to poor and minority business, the relief of education debt to certain student loan recipients, the historic grants to HBCU's and the general lift of the overall economy which has meant higher wages, lower unemployment etc for everyone but people of color have benefited more, because generally, they were starting at a worse place.

No, they didn't miss it. They are just a RWNJ troll repeating lies.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump’s supporters are not competing with undocumented immigrants. His supporters are the people who employ undocumented immigrants.

This. I live in white flyover country. The immigrants aren’t taking our jobs. There are job openings everywhere with competitive pay and signing bonuses.

My husband has been laid off for two months and cannot find a job. He’s never had that problem before. He’s in the tech field and very talented but it seems the odds are stacked against him.

Why do you think this has to do with immigration? If he’s in tech and talented, his competition isn’t with the people crossing the borders, it’s with the people arriving at the airport.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm reading this book right now When McKinsey Comes to Town. McKinsey's consultants, largely made up on uber elitists from ivy league schools who live on the coasts, have for years been the architects of wealth inequality. McKinsey consultants were the ones who came up with idea that CEOs needed to make 300x the average worker. It was McKinsey consultants who constantly pushed the idea of off shoring and downsizing that have gutted manufacturing and many middle class jobs. McKinsey consultants are also the ones who also worked for the FDA while simultaneously consulting for Purdue to supercharge sales of opioids. And who paid the price and had their families and lives ruined? All of the poor in those areas the disgusting elitists call flyover country. In another example, McKisney also consulted for the Chinese CCP on artificial island building in the South China Sea while working for the US department of defense. And who'll be sent into the meat grinder when there's a conflict in the SCS? All of the poor people and their kids. There are just so many examples in the book - it's so disturbing.

And people wonder why huge swaths of America hate the liberal costal elitists. I mean just look how many McKinsey almuni infect our govt like virus (Pete Buttgeig, Lael Brainard, etc.). Trump has appeal because he isn't from the same swamp producing and employing the likes of McKinsey consultsnts that have been ruining the country for the last 50 years and creating massive wealth inequality. It's largely the elite college educated, urban Democrats who choose to go work for companies like McKinsey, Wall St. etc. that have been gutting their jobs and destroying the livelihood of the middle class.

Are you sure there are not a good share of Republicans there? My bleeding heart liberal friends joined the peace corps or Teach For America . They took public defender jobs or environmental justice positions. Nothing like the corporate enablers you are describing.

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I don’t know too many MAGAs who want to be itinerant farm workers. Jobs like that are undersubscribed in America today.

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Trump is a pants-shitting traitor who cheats on his wife and reneges on his contracts. He's everything middle America purports to hate. And yet, here we are.

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Anonymous wrote:your husband isn't the only talented person in the world. Is not not possible that another candidate (white or POC) could actually have better skill, more experience or the right kind of experience for an organization?

Try to find a POC as talented as her husband that can’t get hired in a good position immediately. I’ll wait. It’s illegal.

You are delusional. Do any recruiting and you find there are so many Black women with Masters degrees, certifications, and other credentials who are working in lower level jobs that don’t require them, and so many White men with similar degrees and credentials who expect to make double the pay of anyone else.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump’s supporters are not competing with undocumented immigrants. His supporters are the people who employ undocumented immigrants.

This. I live in white flyover country. The immigrants aren’t taking our jobs. There are job openings everywhere with competitive pay and signing bonuses.

My husband has been laid off for two months and cannot find a job. He’s never had that problem before. He’s in the tech field and very talented but it seems the odds are stacked against him.

I’m sorry but you are just looking for someone to blame for your husband’s apparent deficiencies. My white, straight male husband is in tech. His white, straight male boss was recently let go and already had other offers in hand when it happened (he saw the writing on the wall and was proactive). My own husband is now looking around just in case and has had no trouble getting phone calls and meetings with people who want him to come work where they are. Maybe your husband hasn’t built enough of a network.