I hate Trump, but I get why a huge part of middle America loves him

[Anonymous]

I'm a typical educated and wealthy DC-area striver. Atheist, support women's right to choose, value the diversity of cultures in this world, etc. I wouldn't say no to a tax cut, lol. I'm going to be good whoever gets elected.

We gotta face facts, though. Most of America is not like DC. It's hugely white, under-educated, under-employed people, who have been truly screwed over by progressive policies.

They have to compete with millions upon millions of lower cost illegal migrants flooding across the borders. They have been penalized by the color of their skin when applying to college and jobs. Suicide, depression, opioids, wars they have to fight and die in...it has gotten quite bad.

Once upon a time, democrats valued this massive part of America. Do they still? Can they?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm a typical educated and wealthy DC-area striver. Atheist, support women's right to choose, value the diversity of cultures in this world, etc. I wouldn't say no to a tax cut, lol. I'm going to be good whoever gets elected.

We gotta face facts, though. Most of America is not like DC. It's hugely white, under-educated, under-employed people, who have been truly screwed over by progressive policies.

They have to compete with millions upon millions of lower cost illegal migrants flooding across the borders. They have been penalized by the color of their skin when applying to college and jobs. Suicide, depression, opioids, wars they have to fight and die in...it has gotten quite bad.

Once upon a time, democrats valued this massive part of America. Do they still? Can they?

With the rich and mighty, always a little patience but what a bucket full of drivel!

[Anonymous]

What have Democrats done to actually help poor people of any race? They allow in millions of migrants to flood the market with cheap labor, have public school teachers focused on everything except teaching marketable skills, push expensive electric vehicles the poor can’t afford, expensive gas, soft-on-criminals policies make the streets & public transit dangerous, push the perception that racism is so bad poor people don’t have a chance without the government’s help…..

[Anonymous]

It never really made sense for democrats to support mass importing of low skilled workers that compete for jobs but then claim to be the party for the working class. We will never get corporations to pay a living wage if there is a permanent underclass of people they can hire and under pay with no consequences. Remember when Bernie was against mass illegal immigration for exactly this reason?

But this is DCUM where people would rather eat nails than admit Trump is the proverbial broken clock that is right two times a day. Instead you will see insults on people's intelligence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm a typical educated and wealthy DC-area striver. Atheist, support women's right to choose, value the diversity of cultures in this world, etc. I wouldn't say no to a tax cut, lol. I'm going to be good whoever gets elected.

We gotta face facts, though. Most of America is not like DC. It's hugely white, under-educated, under-employed people, who have been truly screwed over by progressive policies.

They have to compete with millions upon millions of lower cost illegal migrants flooding across the borders. They have been penalized by the color of their skin when applying to college and jobs. Suicide, depression, opioids, wars they have to fight and die in...it has gotten quite bad.

Once upon a time, democrats valued this massive part of America. Do they still? Can they?

Your post suggests otherwise.

[Anonymous]

I'm reading this book right now When McKinsey Comes to Town. McKinsey's consultants, largely made up on uber elitists from ivy league schools who live on the coasts, have for years been the architects of wealth inequality. McKinsey consultants were the ones who came up with idea that CEOs needed to make 300x the average worker. It was McKinsey consultants who constantly pushed the idea of off shoring and downsizing that have gutted manufacturing and many middle class jobs. McKinsey consultants are also the ones who also worked for the FDA while simultaneously consulting for Purdue to supercharge sales of opioids. And who paid the price and had their families and lives ruined? All of the poor in those areas the disgusting elitists call flyover country. In another example, McKisney also consulted for the Chinese CCP on artificial island building in the South China Sea while working for the US department of defense. And who'll be sent into the meat grinder when there's a conflict in the SCS? All of the poor people and their kids. There are just so many examples in the book - it's so disturbing.

And people wonder why huge swaths of America hate the liberal costal elitists. I mean just look how many McKinsey almuni infect our govt like virus (Pete Buttgeig, Lael Brainard, etc.). Trump has appeal because he isn't from the same swamp producing and employing the likes of McKinsey consultsnts that have been ruining the country for the last 50 years and creating massive wealth inequality. It's largely the elite college educated, urban Democrats who choose to go work for companies like McKinsey, Wall St. etc. that have been gutting their jobs and destroying the livelihood of the middle class.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a typical educated and wealthy DC-area striver. Atheist, support women's right to choose, value the diversity of cultures in this world, etc. I wouldn't say no to a tax cut, lol. I'm going to be good whoever gets elected.

We gotta face facts, though. Most of America is not like DC. It's hugely white, under-educated, under-employed people, who have been truly screwed over by progressive policies.

They have to compete with millions upon millions of lower cost illegal migrants flooding across the borders. They have been penalized by the color of their skin when applying to college and jobs. Suicide, depression, opioids, wars they have to fight and die in...it has gotten quite bad.

Once upon a time, democrats valued this massive part of America. Do they still? Can they?

Your post suggests otherwise.

Exactly. Troll!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What have Democrats done to actually help poor people of any race? They allow in millions of migrants to flood the market with cheap labor, have public school teachers focused on everything except teaching marketable skills, push expensive electric vehicles the poor can’t afford, expensive gas, soft-on-criminals policies make the streets & public transit dangerous, push the perception that racism is so bad poor people don’t have a chance without the government’s help…..

Just…not sure you get why this is funny

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm reading this book right now When McKinsey Comes to Town. McKinsey's consultants, largely made up on uber elitists from ivy league schools who live on the coasts, have for years been the architects of wealth inequality. McKinsey consultants were the ones who came up with idea that CEOs needed to make 300x the average worker. It was McKinsey consultants who constantly pushed the idea of off shoring and downsizing that have gutted manufacturing and many middle class jobs. McKinsey consultants are also the ones who also worked for the FDA while simultaneously consulting for Purdue to supercharge sales of opioids. And who paid the price and had their families and lives ruined? All of the poor in those areas the disgusting elitists call flyover country. In another example, McKisney also consulted for the Chinese CCP on artificial island building in the South China Sea while working for the US department of defense. And who'll be sent into the meat grinder when there's a conflict in the SCS? All of the poor people and their kids. There are just so many examples in the book - it's so disturbing.

And people wonder why huge swaths of America hate the liberal costal elitists. I mean just look how many McKinsey almuni infect our govt like virus (Pete Buttgeig, Lael Brainard, etc.). Trump has appeal because he isn't from the same swamp producing and employing the likes of McKinsey consultsnts that have been ruining the country for the last 50 years and creating massive wealth inequality. It's largely the elite college educated, urban Democrats who choose to go work for companies like McKinsey, Wall St. etc. that have been gutting their jobs and destroying the livelihood of the middle class.

I enjoyed reading your post. You have brought up some issues that I have never thought about. Thank you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a typical educated and wealthy DC-area striver. Atheist, support women's right to choose, value the diversity of cultures in this world, etc. I wouldn't say no to a tax cut, lol. I'm going to be good whoever gets elected.

We gotta face facts, though. Most of America is not like DC. It's hugely white, under-educated, under-employed people, who have been truly screwed over by progressive policies.

They have to compete with millions upon millions of lower cost illegal migrants flooding across the borders. They have been penalized by the color of their skin when applying to college and jobs. Suicide, depression, opioids, wars they have to fight and die in...it has gotten quite bad.

Once upon a time, democrats valued this massive part of America. Do they still? Can they?

Your post suggests otherwise.

+1 OP you’re pretty clearly maga yourself and not particularly thoughtful.

[Anonymous]

Trump’s supporters are not competing with undocumented immigrants. His supporters are the people who employ undocumented immigrants.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Trump’s supporters are not competing with undocumented immigrants. His supporters are the people who employ undocumented immigrants.

This. I live in white flyover country. The immigrants aren’t taking our jobs. There are job openings everywhere with competitive pay and signing bonuses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What have Democrats done to actually help poor people of any race? They allow in millions of migrants to flood the market with cheap labor, have public school teachers focused on everything except teaching marketable skills, push expensive electric vehicles the poor can’t afford, expensive gas, soft-on-criminals policies make the streets & public transit dangerous, push the perception that racism is so bad poor people don’t have a chance without the government’s help…..

Which party supports increasing the minimum wage!

Which party supports paid sick leave?

Which party supports universal health insurance?

Which party supports labor unions?

Which party introduced Social Security?

Which party introduced the WPA during the Great Depression?

Which party introduced relief for the unemployed?

Which party implemented measures in the 1960s that decreased poverty in the US by 30%?

Which party supported the electrification of rural America?

Which party supports increasing the social safety network?

Finally, which party supports lowering taxes on billionaires?

[Anonymous]

The millions of immigrants talking point doesn’t make sense other than as a talking point.

Trump was President for four years. He had control of the house and senate when he came to power. He didn’t fix immigration. Some of the biggest obstacles to fixing immigration come from interests in his party.

So…why do you think he’ll fix it?

This point might have any intellectual resonance if it was “neither candidate currently running has made the progress I want on immigration” but it’s not a pro Trump point.

Unless you’re a troll.

[Anonymous]

I think OP has some stereotypes in her post that aren't quite accurate.

But, I will say that when voters compare Biden and Trump, they find that Biden's policies have largely benefited high income earners and not so much the poor and middle class.

His push to redistribute student loan payments benefits mostly advanced degree upper income earners while saddling the middle class with the payments. Likewise, the subsidies for EVs benefits the wealthy. Few middle class/poor can afford or choose to buy EVs. There are many other examples.

And, inflation has not helped. While the rate of inflation has slowed, prices have not decreased.

https://reason.com/2022/08/06/biden-comforts-the-comfortable/