Official Government Shutdown 2023 Thread

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is shutdown related, but not job related. Will White House tours, Capitol tours, etc continue through September, and then stop 10/1 if there's a shutdown? Or will they stop earlier?

Former Senate employee. Congress doesn’t shutdown. This is an executive branch thing. Congress passes their funding, trust me.

This is not true, the leg branch bill hasn’t passed for the 2024 fiscal year and many offices will furlough congressional staff. Those who work will be excepted and working without pay until an appropriation is passed. Trust me.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Question for those who have been there: if you are non-essential, do they take your laptop away? DH is a workaholic and if they don’t physically take his computer, he will be working anyway.

But he also has a to-do list (that he created) for if there is a shut down. I don’t want to be in a situation where he’s non-essential, works anyway during the day, and then our evenings are spent in chaos as he tries to tackle his to-do list.

It is illegal for him to work. So doubt it.

Yep, it would violate the Anti-Deficiency Act because your DH would be providing a service for the Government, thus the Government would incur an obligation to pay him (and it doesn't matter if your DH says he wants to work for free, that would be a "gift" which the Government likely couldn't accept). Violation of the Anti-Deficiency Act is a felony, should your DH's agency wish to pursue charges, and should DoJ agree to prosecute. At the very least, he will definitely be fired.

Why doesn’t the Government Employee Fair Treatment Act (which became law in 2019) modify this to some extent?

Oh. It does. Hard to believe the criminal penalties weren’t touched but I guess you know what you’re on about.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_Employee_Fair_Treatment_Act

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is shutdown related, but not job related. Will White House tours, Capitol tours, etc continue through September, and then stop 10/1 if there's a shutdown? Or will they stop earlier?

Former Senate employee. Congress doesn’t shutdown. This is an executive branch thing. Congress passes their funding, trust me.

Um leg branch bill hasn't passed yet.
Seems like Hill staff, CBO, CRS, GAO, and LOC staff will all be participating this go-round.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is shutdown related, but not job related. Will White House tours, Capitol tours, etc continue through September, and then stop 10/1 if there's a shutdown? Or will they stop earlier?

They should not stop until the shutdown stops. It’s a very drop everything you are doing at the stroke of midnight situation. You get 4 hours for orderly shutdown. Which cannot be substantive work. It’s purely out of office replies on emails and phones. It takes 15 minutes, although we used to hang out and make gallows humor jokes for the 4 authorized hrs because we knew we’d at least get paid for that time. Now, we get paid anyway, so orderly shutdown is very short.

Which is what makes near misses so annoying. Congress pats itself on the back for narrowly avoiding a shutdown. But, no one sees how much time gets wasted preparing for the near misses. Whether the shutdown happen or not, you have to get your workload into position to be abandoned for a day, or week or more than a month with the least damage possible. In my case, it’s who is literally going to die if we don’t get this signed and out with a date before 10/1, and who will just live without cancer treatment for a while. It’s stressful and demoralizing. And I’m not the once who isn’t able to access life saving medical care.

Thank you for sharing. That is horrible. These stories should be in the press.

They are. But the fact “essential services” has been broadly defined in the past means the general public doesn’t see the real, human cost of shutdowns. And gets to continue the “see we can fire the whole federal workforce because they do nothing” rhetoric. Which is also demoralizing.

Here the armed services bill hasn’t passed which is unusual. But Quevin can’t even get that to the floor, so we will also have an unpaid military. And the lower ranks with families are near the poverty level to begin with. It’s crappy all around.

Just once, I wish a President had the stones to say “essential” means you are guarding nuclear weapons or staffing the ICU at the VA and everyone else goes home. No postal delivery. 1 ATC per airport for life flights and similar. So social security checks processed. The government actually stops.

Three things would happen: MAGA would learn that the government actually does something. The shutdown would last less than a day. And we would get legislation saying that if there is a lapse in appropriations, there is an automatic CR. So, it would be the last shutdown.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is shutdown related, but not job related. Will White House tours, Capitol tours, etc continue through September, and then stop 10/1 if there's a shutdown? Or will they stop earlier?

Former Senate employee. Congress doesn’t shutdown. This is an executive branch thing. Congress passes their funding, trust me.

Um leg branch bill hasn't passed yet.
Seems like Hill staff, CBO, CRS, GAO, and LOC staff will all be participating this go-round.

this is all correct. leg branch was not funded this go around, meaning there will be a total gov shutdown just like in January 2018 and previously in 2013.

buckle up, Congress workers. Senate gets paid 2x per month, so more likely a paycheck gets skipped there. House gets paid monthly. However, if we get to the end of October and no deal, no one is getting a paycheck on time. Retro pay, yes for those listed as essential, but at a TBD date, once the gov reopens.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is shutdown related, but not job related. Will White House tours, Capitol tours, etc continue through September, and then stop 10/1 if there's a shutdown? Or will they stop earlier?

Former Senate employee. Congress doesn’t shutdown. This is an executive branch thing. Congress passes their funding, trust me.

Um leg branch bill hasn't passed yet.
Seems like Hill staff, CBO, CRS, GAO, and LOC staff will all be participating this go-round.

this is all correct. leg branch was not funded this go around, meaning there will be a total gov shutdown just like in January 2018 and previously in 2013.

buckle up, Congress workers. Senate gets paid 2x per month, so more likely a paycheck gets skipped there. House gets paid monthly. However, if we get to the end of October and no deal, no one is getting a paycheck on time. Retro pay, yes for those listed as essential, but at a TBD date, once the gov reopens.

January 2019 was a partial shut down. This will be much crazier than that. And hopefully won’t last as long.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Question for those who have been there: if you are non-essential, do they take your laptop away? DH is a workaholic and if they don’t physically take his computer, he will be working anyway.

But he also has a to-do list (that he created) for if there is a shut down. I don’t want to be in a situation where he’s non-essential, works anyway during the day, and then our evenings are spent in chaos as he tries to tackle his to-do list.

It is illegal for him to work. So doubt it.

Yep, it would violate the Anti-Deficiency Act because your DH would be providing a service for the Government, thus the Government would incur an obligation to pay him (and it doesn't matter if your DH says he wants to work for free, that would be a "gift" which the Government likely couldn't accept). Violation of the Anti-Deficiency Act is a felony, should your DH's agency wish to pursue charges, and should DoJ agree to prosecute. At the very least, he will definitely be fired.

Why doesn’t the Government Employee Fair Treatment Act (which became law in 2019) modify this to some extent?

Oh. It does. Hard to believe the criminal penalties weren’t touched but I guess you know what you’re on about.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_Employee_Fair_Treatment_Act

I’m a Fed and I’m glad they weren’t. Many Feds, including myself, actually believe in our agency’s mission (while doing nothing at home in our PJs ). I’ve been through past shutdowns. It’s very hard not to work when you are sitting around knowing the people you serve actually need service. Most Feds I know think a day or 2 off would be nice. But after that, would prefer to be excepted and work wi delayed pay— even if they could not work and get paid.

The serious consequences of violating the ADA are what keep Feds from logging on anyway to “just do these few things that our constituents need”. But, if we work for free, the public doesn’t see what we do, and shutdowns are prolonged and normalized. Which is bad in the end. But it actually does suck to be a Fed on week 2 of a shutdown with no end in sight, knowing the list of people you aren’t serving is growing.

Here’s what will be interesting. POTUS plays a role in how serious a shutdown is, and can (and does) direct agencies on how broadly to interpret “essential services). During the last two long shutdowns— under Obama with the ADA and Trumps Christmas temper tantrum, POTUS directed agencies to interpret “essential employee” broadly and inconvenience the American public as little as possible. Because it was in their political best interest not to have shutdown blowback.

This shutdown will be 100% Republican House dysfunction. The Senate has done its appropriations work, passed bipartisan deals along the lines agreed to in the debt ceiling deal, and Biden has said he would sign the Senates legislation. Or a CR. It’s in Biden’s political best interest for the American public to feel some pain. I’m predicting “essential employee” has a very narrow definition this time, and Feds who are used to being “essential” won’t be.

I also predict ATC won’t wait 6 weeks to have a sick out, like they did under Trump. After all, COVID is circulating…

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Question for those who have been there: if you are non-essential, do they take your laptop away? DH is a workaholic and if they don’t physically take his computer, he will be working anyway.

But he also has a to-do list (that he created) for if there is a shut down. I don’t want to be in a situation where he’s non-essential, works anyway during the day, and then our evenings are spent in chaos as he tries to tackle his to-do list.

It is illegal for him to work. So doubt it.

Yep, it would violate the Anti-Deficiency Act because your DH would be providing a service for the Government, thus the Government would incur an obligation to pay him (and it doesn't matter if your DH says he wants to work for free, that would be a "gift" which the Government likely couldn't accept). Violation of the Anti-Deficiency Act is a felony, should your DH's agency wish to pursue charges, and should DoJ agree to prosecute. At the very least, he will definitely be fired.

Why doesn’t the Government Employee Fair Treatment Act (which became law in 2019) modify this to some extent?

Oh. It does. Hard to believe the criminal penalties weren’t touched but I guess you know what you’re on about.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_Employee_Fair_Treatment_Act

I’m a Fed and I’m glad they weren’t. Many Feds, including myself, actually believe in our agency’s mission (while doing nothing at home in our PJs ). I’ve been through past shutdowns. It’s very hard not to work when you are sitting around knowing the people you serve actually need service. Most Feds I know think a day or 2 off would be nice. But after that, would prefer to be excepted and work wi delayed pay— even if they could not work and get paid.

The serious consequences of violating the ADA are what keep Feds from logging on anyway to “just do these few things that our constituents need”. But, if we work for free, the public doesn’t see what we do, and shutdowns are prolonged and normalized. Which is bad in the end. But it actually does suck to be a Fed on week 2 of a shutdown with no end in sight, knowing the list of people you aren’t serving is growing.

Here’s what will be interesting. POTUS plays a role in how serious a shutdown is, and can (and does) direct agencies on how broadly to interpret “essential services). During the last two long shutdowns— under Obama with the ADA and Trumps Christmas temper tantrum, POTUS directed agencies to interpret “essential employee” broadly and inconvenience the American public as little as possible. Because it was in their political best interest not to have shutdown blowback.

This shutdown will be 100% Republican House dysfunction. The Senate has done its appropriations work, passed bipartisan deals along the lines agreed to in the debt ceiling deal, and Biden has said he would sign the Senates legislation. Or a CR. It’s in Biden’s political best interest for the American public to feel some pain. I’m predicting “essential employee” has a very narrow definition this time, and Feds who are used to being “essential” won’t be.

I also predict ATC won’t wait 6 weeks to have a sick out, like they did under Trump. After all, COVID is circulating…

I don’t understand how a Fed—who will eventually be paid—working constitutes a “deficiency” in this meaning. The commitment to pay is already there; they don’t have a choice about it. So how is it deficient?

Not disputing that making it painful is the correct strategy, I just don’t get how these pieces line up statutorily.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Question for those who have been there: if you are non-essential, do they take your laptop away? DH is a workaholic and if they don’t physically take his computer, he will be working anyway.

But he also has a to-do list (that he created) for if there is a shut down. I don’t want to be in a situation where he’s non-essential, works anyway during the day, and then our evenings are spent in chaos as he tries to tackle his to-do list.

It is illegal for him to work. So doubt it.

Yep, it would violate the Anti-Deficiency Act because your DH would be providing a service for the Government, thus the Government would incur an obligation to pay him (and it doesn't matter if your DH says he wants to work for free, that would be a "gift" which the Government likely couldn't accept). Violation of the Anti-Deficiency Act is a felony, should your DH's agency wish to pursue charges, and should DoJ agree to prosecute. At the very least, he will definitely be fired.

Why doesn’t the Government Employee Fair Treatment Act (which became law in 2019) modify this to some extent?

Oh. It does. Hard to believe the criminal penalties weren’t touched but I guess you know what you’re on about.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_Employee_Fair_Treatment_Act

I’m a Fed and I’m glad they weren’t. Many Feds, including myself, actually believe in our agency’s mission (while doing nothing at home in our PJs ). I’ve been through past shutdowns. It’s very hard not to work when you are sitting around knowing the people you serve actually need service. Most Feds I know think a day or 2 off would be nice. But after that, would prefer to be excepted and work wi delayed pay— even if they could not work and get paid.

The serious consequences of violating the ADA are what keep Feds from logging on anyway to “just do these few things that our constituents need”. But, if we work for free, the public doesn’t see what we do, and shutdowns are prolonged and normalized. Which is bad in the end. But it actually does suck to be a Fed on week 2 of a shutdown with no end in sight, knowing the list of people you aren’t serving is growing.

Here’s what will be interesting. POTUS plays a role in how serious a shutdown is, and can (and does) direct agencies on how broadly to interpret “essential services). During the last two long shutdowns— under Obama with the ADA and Trumps Christmas temper tantrum, POTUS directed agencies to interpret “essential employee” broadly and inconvenience the American public as little as possible. Because it was in their political best interest not to have shutdown blowback.

This shutdown will be 100% Republican House dysfunction. The Senate has done its appropriations work, passed bipartisan deals along the lines agreed to in the debt ceiling deal, and Biden has said he would sign the Senates legislation. Or a CR. It’s in Biden’s political best interest for the American public to feel some pain. I’m predicting “essential employee” has a very narrow definition this time, and Feds who are used to being “essential” won’t be.

I also predict ATC won’t wait 6 weeks to have a sick out, like they did under Trump. After all, COVID is circulating…

I don’t understand how a Fed—who will eventually be paid—working constitutes a “deficiency” in this meaning. The commitment to pay is already there; they don’t have a choice about it. So how is it deficient?

Not disputing that making it painful is the correct strategy, I just don’t get how these pieces line up statutorily.

NP and notwithstanding the prior legislation there's nothing stopping them from putting a provision into the next funding resolution denying backpay. Very unlikely but it could happen and then you violated the ADA.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Question for those who have been there: if you are non-essential, do they take your laptop away? DH is a workaholic and if they don’t physically take his computer, he will be working anyway.

But he also has a to-do list (that he created) for if there is a shut down. I don’t want to be in a situation where he’s non-essential, works anyway during the day, and then our evenings are spent in chaos as he tries to tackle his to-do list.

It is illegal for him to work. So doubt it.

Yep, it would violate the Anti-Deficiency Act because your DH would be providing a service for the Government, thus the Government would incur an obligation to pay him (and it doesn't matter if your DH says he wants to work for free, that would be a "gift" which the Government likely couldn't accept). Violation of the Anti-Deficiency Act is a felony, should your DH's agency wish to pursue charges, and should DoJ agree to prosecute. At the very least, he will definitely be fired.

Why doesn’t the Government Employee Fair Treatment Act (which became law in 2019) modify this to some extent?

Oh. It does. Hard to believe the criminal penalties weren’t touched but I guess you know what you’re on about.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_Employee_Fair_Treatment_Act

I’m a Fed and I’m glad they weren’t. Many Feds, including myself, actually believe in our agency’s mission (while doing nothing at home in our PJs ). I’ve been through past shutdowns. It’s very hard not to work when you are sitting around knowing the people you serve actually need service. Most Feds I know think a day or 2 off would be nice. But after that, would prefer to be excepted and work wi delayed pay— even if they could not work and get paid.

The serious consequences of violating the ADA are what keep Feds from logging on anyway to “just do these few things that our constituents need”. But, if we work for free, the public doesn’t see what we do, and shutdowns are prolonged and normalized. Which is bad in the end. But it actually does suck to be a Fed on week 2 of a shutdown with no end in sight, knowing the list of people you aren’t serving is growing.

Here’s what will be interesting. POTUS plays a role in how serious a shutdown is, and can (and does) direct agencies on how broadly to interpret “essential services). During the last two long shutdowns— under Obama with the ADA and Trumps Christmas temper tantrum, POTUS directed agencies to interpret “essential employee” broadly and inconvenience the American public as little as possible. Because it was in their political best interest not to have shutdown blowback.

This shutdown will be 100% Republican House dysfunction. The Senate has done its appropriations work, passed bipartisan deals along the lines agreed to in the debt ceiling deal, and Biden has said he would sign the Senates legislation. Or a CR. It’s in Biden’s political best interest for the American public to feel some pain. I’m predicting “essential employee” has a very narrow definition this time, and Feds who are used to being “essential” won’t be.

I also predict ATC won’t wait 6 weeks to have a sick out, like they did under Trump. After all, COVID is circulating…

I don’t understand how a Fed—who will eventually be paid—working constitutes a “deficiency” in this meaning. The commitment to pay is already there; they don’t have a choice about it. So how is it deficient?

Not disputing that making it painful is the correct strategy, I just don’t get how these pieces line up statutorily.

NP and notwithstanding the prior legislation there's nothing stopping them from putting a provision into the next funding resolution denying backpay. Very unlikely but it could happen and then you violated the ADA.

Fascinating. I’ve been a fed for under six months! Heckuva system we have here.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Question for those who have been there: if you are non-essential, do they take your laptop away? DH is a workaholic and if they don’t physically take his computer, he will be working anyway.

But he also has a to-do list (that he created) for if there is a shut down. I don’t want to be in a situation where he’s non-essential, works anyway during the day, and then our evenings are spent in chaos as he tries to tackle his to-do list.

It is illegal for him to work. So doubt it.

Yep, it would violate the Anti-Deficiency Act because your DH would be providing a service for the Government, thus the Government would incur an obligation to pay him (and it doesn't matter if your DH says he wants to work for free, that would be a "gift" which the Government likely couldn't accept). Violation of the Anti-Deficiency Act is a felony, should your DH's agency wish to pursue charges, and should DoJ agree to prosecute. At the very least, he will definitely be fired.

Why doesn’t the Government Employee Fair Treatment Act (which became law in 2019) modify this to some extent?

Oh. It does. Hard to believe the criminal penalties weren’t touched but I guess you know what you’re on about.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_Employee_Fair_Treatment_Act

I’m a Fed and I’m glad they weren’t. Many Feds, including myself, actually believe in our agency’s mission (while doing nothing at home in our PJs ). I’ve been through past shutdowns. It’s very hard not to work when you are sitting around knowing the people you serve actually need service. Most Feds I know think a day or 2 off would be nice. But after that, would prefer to be excepted and work wi delayed pay— even if they could not work and get paid.

The serious consequences of violating the ADA are what keep Feds from logging on anyway to “just do these few things that our constituents need”. But, if we work for free, the public doesn’t see what we do, and shutdowns are prolonged and normalized. Which is bad in the end. But it actually does suck to be a Fed on week 2 of a shutdown with no end in sight, knowing the list of people you aren’t serving is growing.

Here’s what will be interesting. POTUS plays a role in how serious a shutdown is, and can (and does) direct agencies on how broadly to interpret “essential services). During the last two long shutdowns— under Obama with the ADA and Trumps Christmas temper tantrum, POTUS directed agencies to interpret “essential employee” broadly and inconvenience the American public as little as possible. Because it was in their political best interest not to have shutdown blowback.

This shutdown will be 100% Republican House dysfunction. The Senate has done its appropriations work, passed bipartisan deals along the lines agreed to in the debt ceiling deal, and Biden has said he would sign the Senates legislation. Or a CR. It’s in Biden’s political best interest for the American public to feel some pain. I’m predicting “essential employee” has a very narrow definition this time, and Feds who are used to being “essential” won’t be.

I also predict ATC won’t wait 6 weeks to have a sick out, like they did under Trump. After all, COVID is circulating…

I don’t understand how a Fed—who will eventually be paid—working constitutes a “deficiency” in this meaning. The commitment to pay is already there; they don’t have a choice about it. So how is it deficient?

Not disputing that making it painful is the correct strategy, I just don’t get how these pieces line up statutorily.

Because the commitment to pay isn't there. That’s the whole point. If the appropriations bill authorizing thee mo ey to pay sales had passed, there would be no shutdown. The presumption is Congress will eventually pass something— in the future. If Congress never passes the appropriations bills, even excepted people will never get paid.

Now, there are good legal arguments that this whole fiasco of having anyone work unpaid for any period of time is illegal. And federal unuions have been litigating this. I’m not sure what the status of the litigation is though.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Question for those who have been there: if you are non-essential, do they take your laptop away? DH is a workaholic and if they don’t physically take his computer, he will be working anyway.

But he also has a to-do list (that he created) for if there is a shut down. I don’t want to be in a situation where he’s non-essential, works anyway during the day, and then our evenings are spent in chaos as he tries to tackle his to-do list.

It is illegal for him to work. So doubt it.

Yep, it would violate the Anti-Deficiency Act because your DH would be providing a service for the Government, thus the Government would incur an obligation to pay him (and it doesn't matter if your DH says he wants to work for free, that would be a "gift" which the Government likely couldn't accept). Violation of the Anti-Deficiency Act is a felony, should your DH's agency wish to pursue charges, and should DoJ agree to prosecute. At the very least, he will definitely be fired.

Why doesn’t the Government Employee Fair Treatment Act (which became law in 2019) modify this to some extent?

Oh. It does. Hard to believe the criminal penalties weren’t touched but I guess you know what you’re on about.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_Employee_Fair_Treatment_Act

I’m a Fed and I’m glad they weren’t. Many Feds, including myself, actually believe in our agency’s mission (while doing nothing at home in our PJs ). I’ve been through past shutdowns. It’s very hard not to work when you are sitting around knowing the people you serve actually need service. Most Feds I know think a day or 2 off would be nice. But after that, would prefer to be excepted and work wi delayed pay— even if they could not work and get paid.

The serious consequences of violating the ADA are what keep Feds from logging on anyway to “just do these few things that our constituents need”. But, if we work for free, the public doesn’t see what we do, and shutdowns are prolonged and normalized. Which is bad in the end. But it actually does suck to be a Fed on week 2 of a shutdown with no end in sight, knowing the list of people you aren’t serving is growing.

Here’s what will be interesting. POTUS plays a role in how serious a shutdown is, and can (and does) direct agencies on how broadly to interpret “essential services). During the last two long shutdowns— under Obama with the ADA and Trumps Christmas temper tantrum, POTUS directed agencies to interpret “essential employee” broadly and inconvenience the American public as little as possible. Because it was in their political best interest not to have shutdown blowback.

This shutdown will be 100% Republican House dysfunction. The Senate has done its appropriations work, passed bipartisan deals along the lines agreed to in the debt ceiling deal, and Biden has said he would sign the Senates legislation. Or a CR. It’s in Biden’s political best interest for the American public to feel some pain. I’m predicting “essential employee” has a very narrow definition this time, and Feds who are used to being “essential” won’t be.

I also predict ATC won’t wait 6 weeks to have a sick out, like they did under Trump. After all, COVID is circulating…

I don’t understand how a Fed—who will eventually be paid—working constitutes a “deficiency” in this meaning. The commitment to pay is already there; they don’t have a choice about it. So how is it deficient?

Not disputing that making it painful is the correct strategy, I just don’t get how these pieces line up statutorily.

Because the commitment to pay isn't there. That’s the whole point. If the appropriations bill authorizing thee mo ey to pay sales had passed, there would be no shutdown. The presumption is Congress will eventually pass something— in the future. If Congress never passes the appropriations bills, even excepted people will never get paid.

Now, there are good legal arguments that this whole fiasco of having anyone work unpaid for any period of time is illegal. And federal unuions have been litigating this. I’m not sure what the status of the litigation is though.

If that happens we are going to have problems the anti-deficiency provisions did not contemplate.

[Anonymous]

Mama wants a well-deserved vaca. 13 days to go.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is shutdown related, but not job related. Will White House tours, Capitol tours, etc continue through September, and then stop 10/1 if there's a shutdown? Or will they stop earlier?

Former Senate employee. Congress doesn’t shutdown. This is an executive branch thing. Congress passes their funding, trust me.

Um leg branch bill hasn't passed yet.
Seems like Hill staff, CBO, CRS, GAO, and LOC staff will all be participating this go-round.

this is all correct. leg branch was not funded this go around, meaning there will be a total gov shutdown just like in January 2018 and previously in 2013.

buckle up, Congress workers. Senate gets paid 2x per month, so more likely a paycheck gets skipped there. House gets paid monthly. However, if we get to the end of October and no deal, no one is getting a paycheck on time. Retro pay, yes for those listed as essential, but at a TBD date, once the gov reopens.

January 2019 was a partial shut down. This will be much crazier than that. And hopefully won’t last as long.

this one is a different flavor than the 2019 one bc that time leg branch was funded, so Congress had funding, but other federal branches of gov did not.

this time, nothing has been funded past 9/30/23

[Anonymous]

Apologies if this was asked in this long thread, but is military paid if the government shuts down?

We are dual enlisted military. I feel like we’ll get the pay eventually but wouldn’t be paid while it’s shut down? But I assume all military will be deemed essential?