Columbia permanently pulls out of US news

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Columbia is a sh*tshow... all these different cashcow programs, schools that are not really schools that are really "affiliate" schools, ambiguous admissions practices, GS... the list goes on. A lot of borderline shady practices for a supposedly elite caliber institution.

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Anonymous wrote:Columbia GS undergrad enrollment (around 2000) is 33% of College+SEAS (around 6000). Columbia publishes 2 separate CDS: one combined College+SEAS and one for GS.

Harvard Extension School is 10% (around 700) of Harvard College (around 7000). Harvard appears only to publish one CDS for Harvard College.

This. Columbia University also includes undergrads from Barnard, but nobody seems to be asking that they be included. What's actually surprising is that, unlike Harvard which only includes Harvard College itself, Columbia has been including SEAS in its numbers even though SEAS is slightly easier to get into.

Barnard is an affiliated school with separate admissions and financial aid. Students at Barnard and Columbia are allowed to cross register for classes, use each other facilities including dining and residential halls, and Barnard students compete on Columbia teams. Given their separate admissions and financial aid, having separate CDS makes perfect sense.

People are misunderstanding what will happen. Columbia will continue to be ranked, however, US News will just use publicly-available information for its data collection. Because US News wants schools to provide this data directly to them, US News will penalize those schools not complying by using the data in a light least favorable to those schools, which was the case for Columbia's drop in ranking last year.

But Columbia's School of General Studies also has separate admissions. In fact, "Applicants may not simultaneously apply to the School of General Studies and to any other undergraduate division of Columbia University—Columbia College (CC) or Columbia Engineering (SEAS)...." https://www.gs.columbia.edu/content/how-apply.

So I still don't see the difference.

Exactly, which explains why there are separate comman data sets for CC/SEAS and GS. They have separate admissions and financial aid programs.

So why is USNWR demanding Columbia include GS, with its very different mission and applications process, into its stats? But it's not expecting Harvard to pull in its adult extension programs? There may be good reasons, and maybe somebody can explain, but I still don't get it.

Because you cannot apply to Harvard Extension fresh out of HS, whereas you can at Columbia GS. That's why it makes sense to not include Extension School with Harvard College.

There are only 3 Ivy league schools where there are multiple entry paths with differing rates of admission out of HS
1) Penn - you can only apply to one school but Penn has 4 undergrad schools (nursing, arts and science, wharton, engineering)
2) Columbia - you can only apply to one of 3 (Fu, College and GS)
3) Cornell (8 colleges - all with independent admission committees) - you can only apply to one.

Both Penn and Cornell include all their undergrad data in one CDS report. Columbia does not.

No, you cannot apply to Columbia GS fresh out of high school. https://www.gs.columbia.edu/content/eligibility-undergraduate

And Harvard not including their extension school is the correct comparison, not Penn or Cornell.

I still don't understand the difference between the treatment of Columbia and Harvard.

Columbia doesn't pay the US News fee.

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Anonymous wrote:Columbia is a sh*tshow... all these different cashcow programs, schools that are not really schools that are really "affiliate" schools, ambiguous admissions practices, GS... the list goes on. A lot of borderline shady practices for a supposedly elite caliber institution.

Here comes the crazy Columbia hater again. Hard to have a reasonable discussion with this person constantly ranting.

yeah that really marks the tail end of the thread. I'd have loved to have attended Columbia. I went to MSM a few blocks away and I'd love for my teens to get in - wow that would be such a coup. Who cares about US news.

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Anonymous wrote:For me Columbia lost its prestige and jumped the shark when they refused to remove Dr. Mehmet Oz from their staff and later from his Professor Emeritus status with the university throughout his quack medicine and medical shams throughout the 2010's decade. He caused so much harm to patients selling get rich quick snake oil and making medically harmful recommendations (like pushing the I-cure for Covid).

Columbia only removed him from their staff listings and web-sites when he ran for Senate due to the political backlash. But they had problems riding his popularity coattails as long as they could. This is despite requests from dozens of fellow medical practitioners and Columbia staff members appealing to the university to distance themselves from him.

Sorry, but they lowered themselves to Trump U status with that debacle.

wow, I had no idea that even happened. yikes.

When Dr. Oz was on Oprah, he was only mildly quackish. But when he kicked off his own show in 2009, he really started to blow off any scientific credibility or basis in current known medicine.

So, in 2015, a list of 10 nationally respected doctors sent a letter to Columbia University asking them to distance themselves from him:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/group-of-doctors-call-for-dr-oz-to-be-ousted-from-columbia-university/

Columbia resisted. From 2015-2022, there were multiple requests for the university to drop Dr. Oz. But rather than drop him, they doubled down. When he stopped seeing patients, they changed his title to "Professor Emeritus".

But finally, when there was political backlash during his run for the Senate, they finally, very quietly dropped him.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/group-of-doctors-call-for-dr-oz-to-be-ousted-from-columbia-university/

As far as I am concerned, Columbia who refuses to remove a quack and scam artist from their medical school staff is no longer a respectable institution.

Actually it's you who is a quack and scam artist.

Columbia's actual fraud and core controversy has nothing to do with Dr. Oz.

Columbia is just shaking things up, just as they have always done. They aren't sheeps. Thry produce world-shattering people, like their math prof.

Nonsense. They advertised their USNWR ranking when it was good and now they are ranked much lower and withdraw. They are the worst ranked ivy and should just accept it.

The Columbia prof just pointed out the US News/emperor is butt naked. Instead of re-ranking Columbia to its rightful place somewhere around #5, the emperor had a hiss fit and dropped it down to its 1980s ranking. What a joke.

Maybe the rightful place is about #20 in rankings.

About right.

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Anonymous wrote:Columbia is a sh*tshow... all these different cashcow programs, schools that are not really schools that are really "affiliate" schools, ambiguous admissions practices, GS... the list goes on. A lot of borderline shady practices for a supposedly elite caliber institution.

Here comes the crazy Columbia hater again. Hard to have a reasonable discussion with this person constantly ranting.

+2. This hater is nuts.

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Anonymous wrote:Columbia is a sh*tshow... all these different cashcow programs, schools that are not really schools that are really "affiliate" schools, ambiguous admissions practices, GS... the list goes on. A lot of borderline shady practices for a supposedly elite caliber institution.

Here comes the crazy Columbia hater again. Hard to have a reasonable discussion with this person constantly ranting.

Probably was rejected these ED and RD rounds. But you’d think they’d let the grownups talk.

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Columbia doesn’t want to play the game anymore because it was caught cheating.

[Anonymous]

Columbia's true peers are USC, NYU, and BU. And USNEWS is very harsh on non-submitting schools: take a look at what happened to Reed. HYP will continue to submit data.

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Anonymous wrote:Columbia's true peers are USC, NYU, and BU. And USNEWS is very harsh on non-submitting schools: take a look at what happened to Reed. HYP will continue to submit data.

They know this, which is why they pulled out. Now the Columbia posters will complain endlessly about how unfair USNWR is.

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Anonymous wrote:Columbia's true peers are USC, NYU, and BU. And USNEWS is very harsh on non-submitting schools: take a look at what happened to Reed. HYP will continue to submit data.

Columbia is a world class research institution, respected around the globe. These others, not so much.

You’re embarrassing yourself with your 3-4 hate screeds on every page.

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Anonymous wrote:Columbia's true peers are USC, NYU, and BU. And USNEWS is very harsh on non-submitting schools: take a look at what happened to Reed. HYP will continue to submit data.

They know this, which is why they pulled out. Now the Columbia posters will complain endlessly about how unfair USNWR is.

Seriously, what did Columbia do to you? Did they reject you/your kid? Are you bitter that Columbia has a better rep than U Chicago or wherever your kid ended up? You sound deranged.

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Would rather send my kid to NYU than Columbia.

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Anonymous wrote:Columbia GS has over a 50% transfer acceptance rate. It's time people realize this school isn't as prestigious as its made to seem.

As a Columbia GS grad I’ll respond:

No one is filed by a Columbia GS degree. Everyone knows GS is not the College.

That said, Columbia GS students take the same classes as Columbia College students (apart from the signature core curriculum year-long humanities classes). The rigor is therefore identical. Because of this, it has a high washout rate but also is a fantastic springboard to high caliber graduate programs. The post baccalaureate premedical program for example sends graduates on to top medical schools annually. Note these students all had preexisting strong undergraduate degrees already and are just taking premed coursework.

Are Columbia College and Columbia GS have the same diploma? Do the transcripts show you graduated from CC or GS?

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Anonymous wrote:Would rather send my kid to NYU than Columbia.

No one ever compares Columbia with NYU. Seriously.

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Anonymous wrote:Would rather send my kid to NYU than Columbia.

No one ever compares Columbia with NYU. Seriously.

+100. Columbia hater has no self-awareness re how much she is embarrassing herself.