Columbia permanently pulls out of US news

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Anonymous wrote:Columbia GS undergrad enrollment (around 2000) is 33% of College+SEAS (around 6000). Columbia publishes 2 separate CDS: one combined College+SEAS and one for GS.

Harvard Extension School is 10% (around 700) of Harvard College (around 7000). Harvard appears only to publish one CDS for Harvard College.

This. Columbia University also includes undergrads from Barnard, but nobody seems to be asking that they be included. What's actually surprising is that, unlike Harvard which only includes Harvard College itself, Columbia has been including SEAS in its numbers even though SEAS is slightly easier to get into.

Barnard is an affiliated school with separate admissions and financial aid. Students at Barnard and Columbia are allowed to cross register for classes, use each other facilities including dining and residential halls, and Barnard students compete on Columbia teams. Given their separate admissions and financial aid, having separate CDS makes perfect sense.

People are misunderstanding what will happen. Columbia will continue to be ranked, however, US News will just use publicly-available information for its data collection. Because US News wants schools to provide this data directly to them, US News will penalize those schools not complying by using the data in a light least favorable to those schools, which was the case for Columbia's drop in ranking last year.

But Columbia's School of General Studies also has separate admissions. In fact, "Applicants may not simultaneously apply to the School of General Studies and to any other undergraduate division of Columbia University—Columbia College (CC) or Columbia Engineering (SEAS)...." https://www.gs.columbia.edu/content/how-apply.

So I still don't see the difference.

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Anonymous wrote:Columbia GS undergrad enrollment (around 2000) is 33% of College+SEAS (around 6000). Columbia publishes 2 separate CDS: one combined College+SEAS and one for GS.

Harvard Extension School is 10% (around 700) of Harvard College (around 7000). Harvard appears only to publish one CDS for Harvard College.

This. Columbia University also includes undergrads from Barnard, but nobody seems to be asking that they be included. What's actually surprising is that, unlike Harvard which only includes Harvard College itself, Columbia has been including SEAS in its numbers even though SEAS is slightly easier to get into.

Barnard is an affiliated school with separate admissions and financial aid. Students at Barnard and Columbia are allowed to cross register for classes, use each other facilities including dining and residential halls, and Barnard students compete on Columbia teams. Given their separate admissions and financial aid, having separate CDS makes perfect sense.

People are misunderstanding what will happen. Columbia will continue to be ranked, however, US News will just use publicly-available information for its data collection. Because US News wants schools to provide this data directly to them, US News will penalize those schools not complying by using the data in a light least favorable to those schools, which was the case for Columbia's drop in ranking last year.

But Columbia's School of General Studies also has separate admissions. In fact, "Applicants may not simultaneously apply to the School of General Studies and to any other undergraduate division of Columbia University—Columbia College (CC) or Columbia Engineering (SEAS)...." https://www.gs.columbia.edu/content/how-apply.

So I still don't see the difference.

Exactly, which explains why there are separate comman data sets for CC/SEAS and GS. They have separate admissions and financial aid programs.

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Anonymous wrote:Columbia GS undergrad enrollment (around 2000) is 33% of College+SEAS (around 6000). Columbia publishes 2 separate CDS: one combined College+SEAS and one for GS.

Harvard Extension School is 10% (around 700) of Harvard College (around 7000). Harvard appears only to publish one CDS for Harvard College.

This. Columbia University also includes undergrads from Barnard, but nobody seems to be asking that they be included. What's actually surprising is that, unlike Harvard which only includes Harvard College itself, Columbia has been including SEAS in its numbers even though SEAS is slightly easier to get into.

Barnard is an affiliated school with separate admissions and financial aid. Students at Barnard and Columbia are allowed to cross register for classes, use each other facilities including dining and residential halls, and Barnard students compete on Columbia teams. Given their separate admissions and financial aid, having separate CDS makes perfect sense.

People are misunderstanding what will happen. Columbia will continue to be ranked, however, US News will just use publicly-available information for its data collection. Because US News wants schools to provide this data directly to them, US News will penalize those schools not complying by using the data in a light least favorable to those schools, which was the case for Columbia's drop in ranking last year.

But Columbia's School of General Studies also has separate admissions. In fact, "Applicants may not simultaneously apply to the School of General Studies and to any other undergraduate division of Columbia University—Columbia College (CC) or Columbia Engineering (SEAS)...." https://www.gs.columbia.edu/content/how-apply.

So I still don't see the difference.

Exactly, which explains why there are separate comman data sets for CC/SEAS and GS. They have separate admissions and financial aid programs.

So why is USNWR demanding Columbia include GS, with its very different mission and applications process, into its stats? But it's not expecting Harvard to pull in its adult extension programs? There may be good reasons, and maybe somebody can explain, but I still don't get it.

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Anonymous wrote:Columbia GS undergrad enrollment (around 2000) is 33% of College+SEAS (around 6000). Columbia publishes 2 separate CDS: one combined College+SEAS and one for GS.

Harvard Extension School is 10% (around 700) of Harvard College (around 7000). Harvard appears only to publish one CDS for Harvard College.

This. Columbia University also includes undergrads from Barnard, but nobody seems to be asking that they be included. What's actually surprising is that, unlike Harvard which only includes Harvard College itself, Columbia has been including SEAS in its numbers even though SEAS is slightly easier to get into.

Barnard is an affiliated school with separate admissions and financial aid. Students at Barnard and Columbia are allowed to cross register for classes, use each other facilities including dining and residential halls, and Barnard students compete on Columbia teams. Given their separate admissions and financial aid, having separate CDS makes perfect sense.

People are misunderstanding what will happen. Columbia will continue to be ranked, however, US News will just use publicly-available information for its data collection. Because US News wants schools to provide this data directly to them, US News will penalize those schools not complying by using the data in a light least favorable to those schools, which was the case for Columbia's drop in ranking last year.

But Columbia's School of General Studies also has separate admissions. In fact, "Applicants may not simultaneously apply to the School of General Studies and to any other undergraduate division of Columbia University—Columbia College (CC) or Columbia Engineering (SEAS)...." https://www.gs.columbia.edu/content/how-apply.

So I still don't see the difference.

Exactly, which explains why there are separate comman data sets for CC/SEAS and GS. They have separate admissions and financial aid programs.

So why is USNWR demanding Columbia include GS, with its very different mission and applications process, into its stats? But it's not expecting Harvard to pull in its adult extension programs? There may be good reasons, and maybe somebody can explain, but I still don't get it.

Because you cannot apply to Harvard Extension fresh out of HS, whereas you can at Columbia GS. That's why it makes sense to not include Extension School with Harvard College.

There are only 3 Ivy league schools where there are multiple entry paths with differing rates of admission out of HS
1) Penn - you can only apply to one school but Penn has 4 undergrad schools (nursing, arts and science, wharton, engineering)
2) Columbia - you can only apply to one of 3 (Fu, College and GS)
3) Cornell (8 colleges - all with independent admission committees) - you can only apply to one.

Both Penn and Cornell include all their undergrad data in one CDS report. Columbia does not.

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Anonymous wrote:Columbia GS undergrad enrollment (around 2000) is 33% of College+SEAS (around 6000). Columbia publishes 2 separate CDS: one combined College+SEAS and one for GS.

Harvard Extension School is 10% (around 700) of Harvard College (around 7000). Harvard appears only to publish one CDS for Harvard College.

This. Columbia University also includes undergrads from Barnard, but nobody seems to be asking that they be included. What's actually surprising is that, unlike Harvard which only includes Harvard College itself, Columbia has been including SEAS in its numbers even though SEAS is slightly easier to get into.

Barnard is an affiliated school with separate admissions and financial aid. Students at Barnard and Columbia are allowed to cross register for classes, use each other facilities including dining and residential halls, and Barnard students compete on Columbia teams. Given their separate admissions and financial aid, having separate CDS makes perfect sense.

People are misunderstanding what will happen. Columbia will continue to be ranked, however, US News will just use publicly-available information for its data collection. Because US News wants schools to provide this data directly to them, US News will penalize those schools not complying by using the data in a light least favorable to those schools, which was the case for Columbia's drop in ranking last year.

But Columbia's School of General Studies also has separate admissions. In fact, "Applicants may not simultaneously apply to the School of General Studies and to any other undergraduate division of Columbia University—Columbia College (CC) or Columbia Engineering (SEAS)...." https://www.gs.columbia.edu/content/how-apply.

So I still don't see the difference.

Exactly, which explains why there are separate comman data sets for CC/SEAS and GS. They have separate admissions and financial aid programs.

So why is USNWR demanding Columbia include GS, with its very different mission and applications process, into its stats? But it's not expecting Harvard to pull in its adult extension programs? There may be good reasons, and maybe somebody can explain, but I still don't get it.

Because you cannot apply to Harvard Extension fresh out of HS, whereas you can at Columbia GS. That's why it makes sense to not include Extension School with Harvard College.

There are only 3 Ivy league schools where there are multiple entry paths with differing rates of admission out of HS
1) Penn - you can only apply to one school but Penn has 4 undergrad schools (nursing, arts and science, wharton, engineering)
2) Columbia - you can only apply to one of 3 (Fu, College and GS)
3) Cornell (8 colleges - all with independent admission committees) - you can only apply to one.

Both Penn and Cornell include all their undergrad data in one CDS report. Columbia does not.

No, you cannot apply to Columbia GS fresh out of high school. https://www.gs.columbia.edu/content/eligibility-undergraduate

And Harvard not including their extension school is the correct comparison, not Penn or Cornell.

I still don't understand the difference between the treatment of Columbia and Harvard.

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Will this help and other schools in the ranking?

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Anonymous wrote:Will this help and other schools in the ranking?

Wut?

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Anonymous wrote:This is not the first or the last time people question the rankings. They've been around for decades and aren't going anywhere. I'm excited to see them out of the T20, they deserve it.

Lol, PP would give an arm/leg for a chance to be a parent alum.

+1 on the lol. How did Columbia hurt pp?

There is one poster who is obsessed with the Columbia School of General Studies and keeps posting negative diatribes about it. I have no connection with Columbia but I find this poster highly amusing. I would love to know the backstory of why this crazy poster feels so wronged by Columbia as he/she attacks Columbia relentlessly. I can even tell the poster’s writing style.

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Columbia will always have NYC which is a huge draw for many kids. You either love it or hate it. NYC was too intimidating for me as a teenager but I admire kids who can handle the city with ease.

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Anonymous wrote:This is not the first or the last time people question the rankings. They've been around for decades and aren't going anywhere. I'm excited to see them out of the T20, they deserve it.

Lol, PP would give an arm/leg for a chance to be a parent alum.

+1 on the lol. How did Columbia hurt pp?

There is one poster who is obsessed with the Columbia School of General Studies and keeps posting negative diatribes about it. I have no connection with Columbia but I find this poster highly amusing. I would love to know the backstory of why this crazy poster feels so wronged by Columbia as he/she attacks Columbia relentlessly. I can even tell the poster’s writing style.

what in the world is General Studies, and what do you do with them?

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Anonymous wrote:This is not the first or the last time people question the rankings. They've been around for decades and aren't going anywhere. I'm excited to see them out of the T20, they deserve it.

Lol, PP would give an arm/leg for a chance to be a parent alum.

+1 on the lol. How did Columbia hurt pp?

There is one poster who is obsessed with the Columbia School of General Studies and keeps posting negative diatribes about it. I have no connection with Columbia but I find this poster highly amusing. I would love to know the backstory of why this crazy poster feels so wronged by Columbia as he/she attacks Columbia relentlessly. I can even tell the poster’s writing style.

what in the world is General Studies, and what do you do with them?

Columbia General Studies is a school for "students who are returning or nontraditional" including part-time study (https://www.gs.columbia.edu/content/gs-undergraduate-admissions). For example, 20% of students are vets. They take classes at Columbia College but admissions and degree requirements are different, although I couldn't tell you how.

I don't get the hate either. It seems like they're performing a good service. Maybe this is the poster who obsesses about how the C in HYPCS should be CalTech or Chicago instead of Columbia? I also don't understand how this program differs enough from Harvard's program for returning/part-time students that USNWR wants to count Columbia's GS but not Columbia's program.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Columbia GS has over a 50% transfer acceptance rate. It's time people realize this school isn't as prestigious as its made to seem.

As a Columbia GS grad I’ll respond:

No one is filed by a Columbia GS degree. Everyone knows GS is not the College.

That said, Columbia GS students take the same classes as Columbia College students (apart from the signature core curriculum year-long humanities classes). The rigor is therefore identical. Because of this, it has a high washout rate but also is a fantastic springboard to high caliber graduate programs. The post baccalaureate premedical program for example sends graduates on to top medical schools annually. Note these students all had preexisting strong undergraduate degrees already and are just taking premed coursework.

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Anonymous wrote:Columbia GS undergrad enrollment (around 2000) is 33% of College+SEAS (around 6000). Columbia publishes 2 separate CDS: one combined College+SEAS and one for GS.

Harvard Extension School is 10% (around 700) of Harvard College (around 7000). Harvard appears only to publish one CDS for Harvard College.

This. Columbia University also includes undergrads from Barnard, but nobody seems to be asking that they be included. What's actually surprising is that, unlike Harvard which only includes Harvard College itself, Columbia has been including SEAS in its numbers even though SEAS is slightly easier to get into.

Barnard is an affiliated school with separate admissions and financial aid. Students at Barnard and Columbia are allowed to cross register for classes, use each other facilities including dining and residential halls, and Barnard students compete on Columbia teams. Given their separate admissions and financial aid, having separate CDS makes perfect sense.

People are misunderstanding what will happen. Columbia will continue to be ranked, however, US News will just use publicly-available information for its data collection. Because US News wants schools to provide this data directly to them, US News will penalize those schools not complying by using the data in a light least favorable to those schools, which was the case for Columbia's drop in ranking last year.

But Columbia's School of General Studies also has separate admissions. In fact, "Applicants may not simultaneously apply to the School of General Studies and to any other undergraduate division of Columbia University—Columbia College (CC) or Columbia Engineering (SEAS)...." https://www.gs.columbia.edu/content/how-apply.

So I still don't see the difference.

Exactly, which explains why there are separate comman data sets for CC/SEAS and GS. They have separate admissions and financial aid programs.

So why is USNWR demanding Columbia include GS, with its very different mission and applications process, into its stats? But it's not expecting Harvard to pull in its adult extension programs? There may be good reasons, and maybe somebody can explain, but I still don't get it.

Because you cannot apply to Harvard Extension fresh out of HS, whereas you can at Columbia GS. That's why it makes sense to not include Extension School with Harvard College.

There are only 3 Ivy league schools where there are multiple entry paths with differing rates of admission out of HS
1) Penn - you can only apply to one school but Penn has 4 undergrad schools (nursing, arts and science, wharton, engineering)
2) Columbia - you can only apply to one of 3 (Fu, College and GS)
3) Cornell (8 colleges - all with independent admission committees) - you can only apply to one.

Both Penn and Cornell include all their undergrad data in one CDS report. Columbia does not.

No, you cannot apply to Columbia GS fresh out of high school. https://www.gs.columbia.edu/content/eligibility-undergraduate

And Harvard not including their extension school is the correct comparison, not Penn or Cornell.

I still don't understand the difference between the treatment of Columbia and Harvard.

The reason people talk about applying to Columbia GS fresh out of high school is because of the new dual degree admissions programs with foreign institutions. So, for example, you apply to Tel Aviv University for the dual degree program. Columbia GS is also involved in the admissions decision (they have a joint admissions committee comprised of admissions reps from Columbia and Tel Aviv). You spend your first two years at Tel Aviv, go to Columbia for the second two years, and come out with degrees from both. So, technically you are not applying to Columbia to start fresh out of high school, but you are indeed applying to Columbia GS while in HS and they are acting on your application along with Tel Aviv Univ

https://tau.gs.columbia.edu/content/application-requirements

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Anonymous wrote:Columbia GS undergrad enrollment (around 2000) is 33% of College+SEAS (around 6000). Columbia publishes 2 separate CDS: one combined College+SEAS and one for GS.

Harvard Extension School is 10% (around 700) of Harvard College (around 7000). Harvard appears only to publish one CDS for Harvard College.

This. Columbia University also includes undergrads from Barnard, but nobody seems to be asking that they be included. What's actually surprising is that, unlike Harvard which only includes Harvard College itself, Columbia has been including SEAS in its numbers even though SEAS is slightly easier to get into.

Barnard is an affiliated school with separate admissions and financial aid. Students at Barnard and Columbia are allowed to cross register for classes, use each other facilities including dining and residential halls, and Barnard students compete on Columbia teams. Given their separate admissions and financial aid, having separate CDS makes perfect sense.

People are misunderstanding what will happen. Columbia will continue to be ranked, however, US News will just use publicly-available information for its data collection. Because US News wants schools to provide this data directly to them, US News will penalize those schools not complying by using the data in a light least favorable to those schools, which was the case for Columbia's drop in ranking last year.

But Columbia's School of General Studies also has separate admissions. In fact, "Applicants may not simultaneously apply to the School of General Studies and to any other undergraduate division of Columbia University—Columbia College (CC) or Columbia Engineering (SEAS)...." https://www.gs.columbia.edu/content/how-apply.

So I still don't see the difference.

Exactly, which explains why there are separate comman data sets for CC/SEAS and GS. They have separate admissions and financial aid programs.

So why is USNWR demanding Columbia include GS, with its very different mission and applications process, into its stats? But it's not expecting Harvard to pull in its adult extension programs? There may be good reasons, and maybe somebody can explain, but I still don't get it.

Because you cannot apply to Harvard Extension fresh out of HS, whereas you can at Columbia GS. That's why it makes sense to not include Extension School with Harvard College.

There are only 3 Ivy league schools where there are multiple entry paths with differing rates of admission out of HS
1) Penn - you can only apply to one school but Penn has 4 undergrad schools (nursing, arts and science, wharton, engineering)
2) Columbia - you can only apply to one of 3 (Fu, College and GS)
3) Cornell (8 colleges - all with independent admission committees) - you can only apply to one.

Both Penn and Cornell include all their undergrad data in one CDS report. Columbia does not.

No, you cannot apply to Columbia GS fresh out of high school. https://www.gs.columbia.edu/content/eligibility-undergraduate

And Harvard not including their extension school is the correct comparison, not Penn or Cornell.

I still don't understand the difference between the treatment of Columbia and Harvard.

The reason people talk about applying to Columbia GS fresh out of high school is because of the new dual degree admissions programs with foreign institutions. So, for example, you apply to Tel Aviv University for the dual degree program. Columbia GS is also involved in the admissions decision (they have a joint admissions committee comprised of admissions reps from Columbia and Tel Aviv). You spend your first two years at Tel Aviv, go to Columbia for the second two years, and come out with degrees from both. So, technically you are not applying to Columbia to start fresh out of high school, but you are indeed applying to Columbia GS while in HS and they are acting on your application along with Tel Aviv Univ

https://tau.gs.columbia.edu/content/application-requirements

What reason would USNWR have to insist Columbia College include GS along with SEAS, but not Barnard? Thanks!

- mom of a recent CC grad

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Anonymous wrote:Columbia GS undergrad enrollment (around 2000) is 33% of College+SEAS (around 6000). Columbia publishes 2 separate CDS: one combined College+SEAS and one for GS.

Harvard Extension School is 10% (around 700) of Harvard College (around 7000). Harvard appears only to publish one CDS for Harvard College.

This. Columbia University also includes undergrads from Barnard, but nobody seems to be asking that they be included. What's actually surprising is that, unlike Harvard which only includes Harvard College itself, Columbia has been including SEAS in its numbers even though SEAS is slightly easier to get into.

Barnard is an affiliated school with separate admissions and financial aid. Students at Barnard and Columbia are allowed to cross register for classes, use each other facilities including dining and residential halls, and Barnard students compete on Columbia teams. Given their separate admissions and financial aid, having separate CDS makes perfect sense.

People are misunderstanding what will happen. Columbia will continue to be ranked, however, US News will just use publicly-available information for its data collection. Because US News wants schools to provide this data directly to them, US News will penalize those schools not complying by using the data in a light least favorable to those schools, which was the case for Columbia's drop in ranking last year.

But Columbia's School of General Studies also has separate admissions. In fact, "Applicants may not simultaneously apply to the School of General Studies and to any other undergraduate division of Columbia University—Columbia College (CC) or Columbia Engineering (SEAS)...." https://www.gs.columbia.edu/content/how-apply.

So I still don't see the difference.

Exactly, which explains why there are separate comman data sets for CC/SEAS and GS. They have separate admissions and financial aid programs.

So why is USNWR demanding Columbia include GS, with its very different mission and applications process, into its stats? But it's not expecting Harvard to pull in its adult extension programs? There may be good reasons, and maybe somebody can explain, but I still don't get it.

Because you cannot apply to Harvard Extension fresh out of HS, whereas you can at Columbia GS. That's why it makes sense to not include Extension School with Harvard College.

There are only 3 Ivy league schools where there are multiple entry paths with differing rates of admission out of HS
1) Penn - you can only apply to one school but Penn has 4 undergrad schools (nursing, arts and science, wharton, engineering)
2) Columbia - you can only apply to one of 3 (Fu, College and GS)
3) Cornell (8 colleges - all with independent admission committees) - you can only apply to one.

Both Penn and Cornell include all their undergrad data in one CDS report. Columbia does not.

No, you cannot apply to Columbia GS fresh out of high school. https://www.gs.columbia.edu/content/eligibility-undergraduate

And Harvard not including their extension school is the correct comparison, not Penn or Cornell.

I still don't understand the difference between the treatment of Columbia and Harvard.

The reason people talk about applying to Columbia GS fresh out of high school is because of the new dual degree admissions programs with foreign institutions. So, for example, you apply to Tel Aviv University for the dual degree program. Columbia GS is also involved in the admissions decision (they have a joint admissions committee comprised of admissions reps from Columbia and Tel Aviv). You spend your first two years at Tel Aviv, go to Columbia for the second two years, and come out with degrees from both. So, technically you are not applying to Columbia to start fresh out of high school, but you are indeed applying to Columbia GS while in HS and they are acting on your application along with Tel Aviv Univ

https://tau.gs.columbia.edu/content/application-requirements

What reason would USNWR have to insist Columbia College include GS along with SEAS, but not Barnard? Thanks!

- mom of a recent CC grad

Maybe because Barnard is already separately ranked in US News?

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/barnard-college-2708