Columbia permanently pulls out of US news

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Columbia GS is one of the few things that is right about higher ed.

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Anonymous wrote:Columbia's true peers are USC, NYU, and BU. And USNEWS is very harsh on non-submitting schools: take a look at what happened to Reed. HYP will continue to submit data.

They know this, which is why they pulled out. Now the Columbia posters will complain endlessly about how unfair USNWR is.

Seriously, what did Columbia do to you? Did they reject you/your kid? Are you bitter that Columbia has a better rep than U Chicago or wherever your kid ended up? You sound deranged.

You’re responding to multiple posters, PP. As usual, you’ve had a few too many.

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Anonymous wrote:Columbia GS undergrad enrollment (around 2000) is 33% of College+SEAS (around 6000). Columbia publishes 2 separate CDS: one combined College+SEAS and one for GS.

Harvard Extension School is 10% (around 700) of Harvard College (around 7000). Harvard appears only to publish one CDS for Harvard College.

This. Columbia University also includes undergrads from Barnard, but nobody seems to be asking that they be included. What's actually surprising is that, unlike Harvard which only includes Harvard College itself, Columbia has been including SEAS in its numbers even though SEAS is slightly easier to get into.

Barnard is an affiliated school with separate admissions and financial aid. Students at Barnard and Columbia are allowed to cross register for classes, use each other facilities including dining and residential halls, and Barnard students compete on Columbia teams. Given their separate admissions and financial aid, having separate CDS makes perfect sense.

People are misunderstanding what will happen. Columbia will continue to be ranked, however, US News will just use publicly-available information for its data collection. Because US News wants schools to provide this data directly to them, US News will penalize those schools not complying by using the data in a light least favorable to those schools, which was the case for Columbia's drop in ranking last year.

But Columbia's School of General Studies also has separate admissions. In fact, "Applicants may not simultaneously apply to the School of General Studies and to any other undergraduate division of Columbia University—Columbia College (CC) or Columbia Engineering (SEAS)...." https://www.gs.columbia.edu/content/how-apply.

So I still don't see the difference.

Exactly, which explains why there are separate comman data sets for CC/SEAS and GS. They have separate admissions and financial aid programs.

So why is USNWR demanding Columbia include GS, with its very different mission and applications process, into its stats? But it's not expecting Harvard to pull in its adult extension programs? There may be good reasons, and maybe somebody can explain, but I still don't get it.

Because you cannot apply to Harvard Extension fresh out of HS, whereas you can at Columbia GS. That's why it makes sense to not include Extension School with Harvard College.

There are only 3 Ivy league schools where there are multiple entry paths with differing rates of admission out of HS
1) Penn - you can only apply to one school but Penn has 4 undergrad schools (nursing, arts and science, wharton, engineering)
2) Columbia - you can only apply to one of 3 (Fu, College and GS)
3) Cornell (8 colleges - all with independent admission committees) - you can only apply to one.

Both Penn and Cornell include all their undergrad data in one CDS report. Columbia does not.

No, you cannot apply to Columbia GS fresh out of high school. https://www.gs.columbia.edu/content/eligibility-undergraduate

And Harvard not including their extension school is the correct comparison, not Penn or Cornell.

I still don't understand the difference between the treatment of Columbia and Harvard.

The reason people talk about applying to Columbia GS fresh out of high school is because of the new dual degree admissions programs with foreign institutions. So, for example, you apply to Tel Aviv University for the dual degree program. Columbia GS is also involved in the admissions decision (they have a joint admissions committee comprised of admissions reps from Columbia and Tel Aviv). You spend your first two years at Tel Aviv, go to Columbia for the second two years, and come out with degrees from both. So, technically you are not applying to Columbia to start fresh out of high school, but you are indeed applying to Columbia GS while in HS and they are acting on your application along with Tel Aviv Univ

https://tau.gs.columbia.edu/content/application-requirements

What reason would USNWR have to insist Columbia College include GS along with SEAS, but not Barnard? Thanks!

- mom of a recent CC grad

Barnard is not one of the "three" undergraduate schools of Columbia, as the provost clearly mentioned in the new article multiple times.

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Anonymous wrote:Would rather send my kid to NYU than Columbia.

No one ever compares Columbia with NYU. Seriously.

I hope you are joking.

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Anonymous wrote:Would rather send my kid to NYU than Columbia.

No one ever compares Columbia with NYU. Seriously.

+100. Columbia hater has no self-awareness re how much she is embarrassing herself.

The embarrassment falls directly on Columbia and their brand.

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Anonymous wrote:The NYTs article says US news was going to count Columbia GS into the Columbia numbers so their ranking would certainly drop out of the T20.

I had been arguing this point about not including GS students in Columbia’s rankings for a long time. I was also ridiculed about it by many Columbia boosters here at DCUM.

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Anonymous wrote:Columbia's true peers are USC, NYU, and BU. And USNEWS is very harsh on non-submitting schools: take a look at what happened to Reed. HYP will continue to submit data.

They know this, which is why they pulled out. Now the Columbia posters will complain endlessly about how unfair USNWR is.

Seriously, what did Columbia do to you? Did they reject you/your kid? Are you bitter that Columbia has a better rep than U Chicago or wherever your kid ended up? You sound deranged.

You’re responding to multiple posters, PP. As usual, you’ve had a few too many.

Exactly correct.

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Anonymous wrote:Columbia's true peers are USC, NYU, and BU. And USNEWS is very harsh on non-submitting schools: take a look at what happened to Reed. HYP will continue to submit data.

They know this, which is why they pulled out. Now the Columbia posters will complain endlessly about how unfair USNWR is.

Seriously, what did Columbia do to you? Did they reject you/your kid? Are you bitter that Columbia has a better rep than U Chicago or wherever your kid ended up? You sound deranged.

You’re responding to multiple posters, PP. As usual, you’ve had a few too many.

Your dumb ad hominems tell us everything we need to know about your maturity level. Sorry Columbus rejected you.

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Anonymous wrote:Columbia GS is one of the few things that is right about higher ed.

It's the biggest side door to an ivy followed by Cornell hotel management

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My niece is at the Columbia School of General Studies doing her post bac as she wants to go to medical school but did not finish premed requirements for undergrad. She is able to do this as her parents are wealthy and can pay for it.
She went to a highly regarded undergrad school - think Tufts, Middlebury, Emory level.

She told me that the courses at Columbia are much harder than at her undergraduate school and she is glad she did not go there for undergrad as the students seem miserable and most of them just study all the time. I guess there is a reason it is a top 5 school. It sounds much tougher than most schools. My nephew is at University of Wisconsin and has straight As. He told me that coursework is easy and he hardly ever studies

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Anonymous wrote:My niece is at the Columbia School of General Studies doing her post bac as she wants to go to medical school but did not finish premed requirements for undergrad. She is able to do this as her parents are wealthy and can pay for it.
She went to a highly regarded undergrad school - think Tufts, Middlebury, Emory level.

She told me that the courses at Columbia are much harder than at her undergraduate school and she is glad she did not go there for undergrad as the students seem miserable and most of them just study all the time. I guess there is a reason it is a top 5 school. It sounds much tougher than most schools. My nephew is at University of Wisconsin and has straight As. He told me that coursework is easy and he hardly ever studies

DC graduated from Columbia College a few years ago. Yes, the courses are very difficult. Yes, the other students are extremely bright and hard working, which affects curves and stops anybody from getting easy As. Yes, living in NYC is also stressful whatever college you attend. Also, after freshman year many have at least 1 internship (DC had 2 internships at the same time, as did many others). DC says the experience was tough, and everybody does study all the time, but DC and their friends weren't actually miserable.

A friend at NYU hated it. It's an extremely expensive student mill.

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Anonymous wrote:My niece is at the Columbia School of General Studies doing her post bac as she wants to go to medical school but did not finish premed requirements for undergrad. She is able to do this as her parents are wealthy and can pay for it.
She went to a highly regarded undergrad school - think Tufts, Middlebury, Emory level.

She told me that the courses at Columbia are much harder than at her undergraduate school and she is glad she did not go there for undergrad as the students seem miserable and most of them just study all the time. I guess there is a reason it is a top 5 school. It sounds much tougher than most schools. My nephew is at University of Wisconsin and has straight As. He told me that coursework is easy and he hardly ever studies

DC graduated from Columbia College a few years ago. Yes, the courses are very difficult. Yes, the other students are extremely bright and hard working, which affects curves and stops anybody from getting easy As. Yes, living in NYC is also stressful whatever college you attend. Also, after freshman year many have at least 1 internship (DC had 2 internships at the same time, as did many others). DC says the experience was tough, and everybody does study all the time, but DC and their friends weren't actually miserable.

A friend at NYU hated it. It's an extremely expensive student mill.

I have heard the same thing about Columbia. Very challenging, very high pressure. The kids who seek that kind of environment are satisfied. Those who don’t are miserable.

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Anonymous wrote:The NYTs article says US news was going to count Columbia GS into the Columbia numbers so their ranking would certainly drop out of the T20.

I had been arguing this point about not including GS students in Columbia’s rankings for a long time. I was also ridiculed about it by many Columbia boosters here at DCUM.

+1. GS students count for 1/3 of undergraduate students at CU. This is substantial and should be included in CDS submitted to the USNWR ranking.

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Anonymous wrote:The NYTs article says US news was going to count Columbia GS into the Columbia numbers so their ranking would certainly drop out of the T20.

I had been arguing this point about not including GS students in Columbia’s rankings for a long time. I was also ridiculed about it by many Columbia boosters here at DCUM.

+1. GS students count for 1/3 of undergraduate students at CU. This is substantial and should be included in CDS submitted to the USNWR ranking.

Also as I know there's no distinction on the diploma?

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Anonymous wrote:My niece is at the Columbia School of General Studies doing her post bac as she wants to go to medical school but did not finish premed requirements for undergrad. She is able to do this as her parents are wealthy and can pay for it.
She went to a highly regarded undergrad school - think Tufts, Middlebury, Emory level.

She told me that the courses at Columbia are much harder than at her undergraduate school and she is glad she did not go there for undergrad as the students seem miserable and most of them just study all the time. I guess there is a reason it is a top 5 school. It sounds much tougher than most schools. My nephew is at University of Wisconsin and has straight As. He told me that coursework is easy and he hardly ever studies

Tufts and Middlebury are not on Emory’s level. Middlebury is a good school, no need to try and elevate it.