Florida expands "Don't say gay" law to k-12

[Anonymous]

Isn't there a movie about this?

[Anonymous]

My teacher shared all kinds of things. Sometimes their college age kids would come in over holiday break and lead a special craft or activity.
One of my teachers husbands would stop in some afternoons and bring flowers for the class. This is before you had to go through armed security to get into a building obviously.
Teachers have always shared information about themselves. It is what makes them human and connects with kids. One of my junior high teachers had a pony named sprinkles.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does this law mean that a teacher or staff that happens to be LGBTQ and gets "outed" would potentially be in violation of the law? It's one thing to limit the teaching of homosexuality to the curriculum or give parents an out (not that I agree with it), but it seems to be an entirely different matter to jeopardize someone's career simply for who they are, whether they've mentioned it or not.

This is what the bill (pre-expansion to higher grades) says: "Classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur in kindergarten through grade 3 or in a manner that is not age appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in accordance with state standards."

Seems that it depends entirely on how it's enforced, and we don't yet know what that will be like. Is it "classroom instruction" for a lesbian teacher to mention her wife? Is it "age appropriate or developmentally appropriate" for her to do so? These terms aren't expanded upon in the bill.

[Anonymous]

Everyone keeps saying "teach the curriculum" and that I pay teachers to teach math, not sexuality! But come on, school is more than math! That's one subject. There's also reading, and you can see the book banning happening now. There's civics, and they're gutting the substance of what can be taught there, what civil rights movements can be taught and in what way. Science and biology - hooo boy, that's being gutted. There's history, getting slashed and edited. How can you all not see this? A statute like this is affecting every class. Being a gay kid in these classes and they're being shoved right back into the closet. They won't see themselves represented anywhere. Not even as a character in a novel. I get that for many of you this is the goal. Great job. But those of us who know gay children in high school and middle school in Florida, they see exactly what's happening and they feel it. They are experiencing themselves being erased.

"Teaching the curriculum" is going to become some new slang term for homophobia and bigotry...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does this law mean that a teacher or staff that happens to be LGBTQ and gets "outed" would potentially be in violation of the law? It's one thing to limit the teaching of homosexuality to the curriculum or give parents an out (not that I agree with it), but it seems to be an entirely different matter to jeopardize someone's career simply for who they are, whether they've mentioned it or not.

This is what the bill (pre-expansion to higher grades) says: "Classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur in kindergarten through grade 3 or in a manner that is not age appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in accordance with state standards."

Seems that it depends entirely on how it's enforced, and we don't yet know what that will be like. Is it "classroom instruction" for a lesbian teacher to mention her wife? Is it "age appropriate or developmentally appropriate" for her to do so? These terms aren't expanded upon in the bill.

Oh, if you're asking whether someone else, not the lesbian teacher, mentions her wife, then no, I don't think it could conceivably be read to penalize her for being outed by someone else.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does this law mean that a teacher or staff that happens to be LGBTQ and gets "outed" would potentially be in violation of the law? It's one thing to limit the teaching of homosexuality to the curriculum or give parents an out (not that I agree with it), but it seems to be an entirely different matter to jeopardize someone's career simply for who they are, whether they've mentioned it or not.

This is what the bill (pre-expansion to higher grades) says: "Classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur in kindergarten through grade 3 or in a manner that is not age appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in accordance with state standards."

Seems that it depends entirely on how it's enforced, and we don't yet know what that will be like. Is it "classroom instruction" for a lesbian teacher to mention her wife? Is it "age appropriate or developmentally appropriate" for her to do so? These terms aren't expanded upon in the bill.

Oh, if you're asking whether someone else, not the lesbian teacher, mentions her wife, then no, I don't think it could conceivably be read to penalize her for being outed by someone else.

she should just teach!!!!!! $

[Anonymous]

we came out alright and either of us were taught pronouns or CRT, or anything of this why changed something that isn't broken?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does this law mean that a teacher or staff that happens to be LGBTQ and gets "outed" would potentially be in violation of the law? It's one thing to limit the teaching of homosexuality to the curriculum or give parents an out (not that I agree with it), but it seems to be an entirely different matter to jeopardize someone's career simply for who they are, whether they've mentioned it or not.

This is what the bill (pre-expansion to higher grades) says: "Classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur in kindergarten through grade 3 or in a manner that is not age appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in accordance with state standards."

Seems that it depends entirely on how it's enforced, and we don't yet know what that will be like. Is it "classroom instruction" for a lesbian teacher to mention her wife? Is it "age appropriate or developmentally appropriate" for her to do so? These terms aren't expanded upon in the bill.

Oh, if you're asking whether someone else, not the lesbian teacher, mentions her wife, then no, I don't think it could conceivably be read to penalize her for being outed by someone else.

she should just teach!!!!!! $

Sure, but Florida is making it difficult with these overreaching ridiculous laws that are vague in how different districts or schools or even individuals may interpret them and initiate punishment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does this law mean that a teacher or staff that happens to be LGBTQ and gets "outed" would potentially be in violation of the law? It's one thing to limit the teaching of homosexuality to the curriculum or give parents an out (not that I agree with it), but it seems to be an entirely different matter to jeopardize someone's career simply for who they are, whether they've mentioned it or not.

This is what the bill (pre-expansion to higher grades) says: "Classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur in kindergarten through grade 3 or in a manner that is not age appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in accordance with state standards."

Seems that it depends entirely on how it's enforced, and we don't yet know what that will be like. Is it "classroom instruction" for a lesbian teacher to mention her wife? Is it "age appropriate or developmentally appropriate" for her to do so? These terms aren't expanded upon in the bill.

Oh, if you're asking whether someone else, not the lesbian teacher, mentions her wife, then no, I don't think it could conceivably be read to penalize her for being outed by someone else.

she should just teach!!!!!! $

Sure, but Florida is making it difficult with these overreaching ridiculous laws that are vague in how different districts or schools or even individuals may interpret them and initiate punishment.

Just changed the requirements, I would love to teach PE or Government or even SHOP, but they required BS degrees for all that even for PE or SHOP. Why do we need a 4 year college degree to tell kids to run a mile or sit down and give me 30?
I am straight white male (41 YOA) i WOULD never teach about Pronouns, CRT, or SLT, or about being gay . I have gay friends and I am sure they will be okay if I don't talk about them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Everyone keeps saying "teach the curriculum" and that I pay teachers to teach math, not sexuality! But come on, school is more than math! That's one subject. There's also reading, and you can see the book banning happening now. There's civics, and they're gutting the substance of what can be taught there, what civil rights movements can be taught and in what way. Science and biology - hooo boy, that's being gutted. There's history, getting slashed and edited. How can you all not see this? A statute like this is affecting every class. Being a gay kid in these classes and they're being shoved right back into the closet. They won't see themselves represented anywhere. Not even as a character in a novel. I get that for many of you this is the goal. Great job. But those of us who know gay children in high school and middle school in Florida, they see exactly what's happening and they feel it. They are experiencing themselves being erased.

"Teaching the curriculum" is going to become some new slang term for homophobia and bigotry...

Yeah, it seems like the weasel words are related to what's permitted in the curriculum, which either widely vary from district to district or be enforced from the top down. I don't see why having a LGBTQ character in any textbook is problematic as long as its incidental to whatever subject is being taught.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does this law mean that a teacher or staff that happens to be LGBTQ and gets "outed" would potentially be in violation of the law? It's one thing to limit the teaching of homosexuality to the curriculum or give parents an out (not that I agree with it), but it seems to be an entirely different matter to jeopardize someone's career simply for who they are, whether they've mentioned it or not.

This is what the bill (pre-expansion to higher grades) says: "Classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur in kindergarten through grade 3 or in a manner that is not age appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in accordance with state standards."

Seems that it depends entirely on how it's enforced, and we don't yet know what that will be like. Is it "classroom instruction" for a lesbian teacher to mention her wife? Is it "age appropriate or developmentally appropriate" for her to do so? These terms aren't expanded upon in the bill.

Oh, if you're asking whether someone else, not the lesbian teacher, mentions her wife, then no, I don't think it could conceivably be read to penalize her for being outed by someone else.

"My wife and I went to the fair this weekend" is different than "I have a wife, not a husband and this is why"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am my 41 years old, back then teachers won't talk about how awesome it is to be gay, I don't know if I had any single gay teacher because they didn't tell us their life story. they taught, they didn't teach us about PRONOUS or CRT either.

Of course you had a gay teacher you fool.

Exactly the PP's point. It's not something he/she needed to know.

[Anonymous]

No one is suggesting that you incorporate gay curriculum into every class. What people are saying, because of how vague it is, is that it's easier to avoid all things with a potential gay subject matter attached to it than face the wrath of Florida Karen who is going to sue your school because Jimmy learned that some men marry other men.

And don't even with "no one talks about heterosexual stuff either." They do, all the time, you just consider it "normal" so you don't even notice it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does this law mean that a teacher or staff that happens to be LGBTQ and gets "outed" would potentially be in violation of the law? It's one thing to limit the teaching of homosexuality to the curriculum or give parents an out (not that I agree with it), but it seems to be an entirely different matter to jeopardize someone's career simply for who they are, whether they've mentioned it or not.

This is what the bill (pre-expansion to higher grades) says: "Classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur in kindergarten through grade 3 or in a manner that is not age appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in accordance with state standards."

Seems that it depends entirely on how it's enforced, and we don't yet know what that will be like. Is it "classroom instruction" for a lesbian teacher to mention her wife? Is it "age appropriate or developmentally appropriate" for her to do so? These terms aren't expanded upon in the bill.

Oh, if you're asking whether someone else, not the lesbian teacher, mentions her wife, then no, I don't think it could conceivably be read to penalize her for being outed by someone else.

"My wife and I went to the fair this weekend" is different than "I have a wife, not a husband and this is why"

That's fair. I don't understand why just focusing on teaching rather than pontificating on identity is a problem. If that's what this bill does, then sure, I guess. I still don't know how it holds up under freedom of speech though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am my 41 years old, back then teachers won't talk about how awesome it is to be gay, I don't know if I had any single gay teacher because they didn't tell us their life story. they taught, they didn't teach us about PRONOUS or CRT either.

Of course you had a gay teacher you fool.

Exactly the PP's point. It's not something he/she needed to know.

Keep 'em in that closet don't you know! Maybe ask the teachers how they felt having to be closeted at work.