Conservative confusion over schools

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom line: equity is a political loser.

I didn’t vote for Youngkin, but I will be supporting republicans as long as dems keep pushing this nonsense.

You clearly have never been in a position of being in someone else's shoes. Maybe read up a little on what it is like to be black in this country. Or hispanic. Or Asian.

You may not want to admit it, or perhaps you are being willfully ignorant, but your entitlement is showing.

DP but you literally just said nothing. You just told the pp to feel bad, and made no points.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom line: equity is a political loser.

I didn’t vote for Youngkin, but I will be supporting republicans as long as dems keep pushing this nonsense.

You clearly have never been in a position of being in someone else's shoes. Maybe read up a little on what it is like to be black in this country. Or hispanic. Or Asian.

You may not want to admit it, or perhaps you are being willfully ignorant, but your entitlement is showing.

DP, Asian American. it's your entitlement showing, white limo liberal.

[Anonymous]

And also, Asian Americans are the most harmed by equity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And also, Asian Americans are the most harmed by equity.

Asian americans are hugely overrepresented in many areas of privilege. That's pretty much the opposite of being harmed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And also, Asian Americans are the most harmed by equity.

Asian americans are hugely overrepresented in many areas of privilege. That's pretty much the opposite of being harmed.

Oh suddenly they arent in your list of people pp should feel ambient guilt about. Interesting.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom line: equity is a political loser.

I didn’t vote for Youngkin, but I will be supporting republicans as long as dems keep pushing this nonsense.

Equity is a loser
Equity is nonsense

Wow. Look at you. You likely completely lack any ability to consider what things would be like if the roles were reversed and you were on the losing end instead of being on the winning end.

Not that PP, but I believe the point is that this obsessive focus on "equity," rather than academics, is a losing proposition. I would agree with that. Just take a look at what's been going on in FCPS, and no doubt other public school systems across the US. Enough already. Stop spending gobs of money and resources on this nonsense and maybe instead, beef up the actual ACADEMICS.

https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/BTFRCZ6CA62E/$file/Final%20Anti-Racism%20Anti-Bias%20Curriculum%20Work%20Session%20Sept%2014%202020.pdf

Who is saying equity should be taught instead of academics, math, writing and reading? Do you have an actual citation you can provide?

DP, but just a few responses up, someone discussed teaching "anti racism." That is political activism. It's not academics.

Where did anyone say "anti racism" should be taught instead of, and at the expense of academics?

Be specific.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom line: equity is a political loser.

I didn’t vote for Youngkin, but I will be supporting republicans as long as dems keep pushing this nonsense.

Equity is a loser
Equity is nonsense

Wow. Look at you. You likely completely lack any ability to consider what things would be like if the roles were reversed and you were on the losing end instead of being on the winning end.

Not that PP, but I believe the point is that this obsessive focus on "equity," rather than academics, is a losing proposition. I would agree with that. Just take a look at what's been going on in FCPS, and no doubt other public school systems across the US. Enough already. Stop spending gobs of money and resources on this nonsense and maybe instead, beef up the actual ACADEMICS.

https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/BTFRCZ6CA62E/$file/Final%20Anti-Racism%20Anti-Bias%20Curriculum%20Work%20Session%20Sept%2014%202020.pdf

Who is saying equity should be taught instead of academics, math, writing and reading? Do you have an actual citation you can provide?

DP, but just a few responses up, someone discussed teaching "anti racism." That is political activism. It's not academics.

Where did anyone say "anti racism" should be taught instead of, and at the expense of academics?

Be specific.

Schedules are a zero sum game. If you talk about anti racism in class. You are not teaching math. So when a pp said that anti-racism should be taught in school, it is logical to conclude that the pp favors teaching that political ideology in schools at the cost of academics.

Come on, now.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom line: equity is a political loser.

I didn’t vote for Youngkin, but I will be supporting republicans as long as dems keep pushing this nonsense.

Equity is a loser
Equity is nonsense

Wow. Look at you. You likely completely lack any ability to consider what things would be like if the roles were reversed and you were on the losing end instead of being on the winning end.

Not that PP, but I believe the point is that this obsessive focus on "equity," rather than academics, is a losing proposition. I would agree with that. Just take a look at what's been going on in FCPS, and no doubt other public school systems across the US. Enough already. Stop spending gobs of money and resources on this nonsense and maybe instead, beef up the actual ACADEMICS.

https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/BTFRCZ6CA62E/$file/Final%20Anti-Racism%20Anti-Bias%20Curriculum%20Work%20Session%20Sept%2014%202020.pdf

Who is saying equity should be taught instead of academics, math, writing and reading? Do you have an actual citation you can provide?

DP, but just a few responses up, someone discussed teaching "anti racism." That is political activism. It's not academics.

Where did anyone say "anti racism" should be taught instead of, and at the expense of academics?

Be specific.

Schedules are a zero sum game. If you talk about anti racism in class. You are not teaching math. So when a pp said that anti-racism should be taught in school, it is logical to conclude that the pp favors teaching that political ideology in schools at the cost of academics.

Come on, now.

All I see is a PP who said "how dare they emphasize anti-racism?" in response to another PP who was critical of that FCPS document, which has "Anti-Racism" in its title. And that slide deck does not advocate taking time away from math to specifically teach anti-racism. It's professional development for teachers to incorporate anti-racist principles into their existing curriculum.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And also, Asian Americans are the most harmed by equity.

Asian americans are hugely overrepresented in many areas of privilege. That's pretty much the opposite of being harmed.

They are over-represented because they EARNED the right to be there. They WORKED for it. And are being penalized by public schools and colleges because of that.

[Anonymous]

Conservative arguments are all straw man misinformation. false analogies, and delusional conspiracy theories that always come down to Blacks and “Woke” people need to STFU and stay in their place. Conservatism is about suppressing inconvenient truths.

[Anonymous]

Pretty simple stuff here. Enrich all kid's learning experiences with the same level of resources or you wont get my vote.

Or I guess, FCPS could create a program to boost the performance of middle and upper class neurotypical straight white English speaking kids. Probably going to need a similar program for Asian kids. I suspect that idea wouldnt be well-recieved.

So yeah just provide more resources to all kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Teachers should not talk to 3rd graders about sex. This shouldnt be controversial. It was common sense 5 years ago. This is why DeSantis has appeal, because you are correct, the left is terrifying when it comes to the bizarre insistence that children should learn about things like dildos and oral sex at school.

That’s just it. You erected a straw man. Third grade teachers *don’t* talk to third graders about sex. The fact that you think they do makes you either gullible or a lying liar who lies.

Then its all a non-issue and no one should be upset about the new restrictions.

Well, no, they should be teaching children about different kinds of families, etc. which has nothing to do with teaching about “sex.”

I am also against banning books. If that’s your thing, leave my country.

I dont care if my kids learn about different types of families at school. This is something they pick up just by being alive, going to peoples houses, and hanging out in their neighborhood. It doesnt require special instruction.

I am also against banning books. But I dont think that means we should buy any and all books for public school libraries. No normal person thinks we should stock public school libraries with terrorist propaganda, porn, etc. It's normal to believe age-appropriate, educational material.

I don’t care what you want. The rest of us want it. This is important. Because schools exist to educate children for what society needs, and that often means exposing them to ideas that are contrary to what their parents value. This is particularly important when the parents are bigoted, as you appear to be.

DP
You want porn and terrorist propaganda? Do you even believe what you are saying? Or, are you just babbling back and someone you disagree with?

When people show you who they are, believe them.

They also want CRT in schools, if you read their responses.

They want sexual material and CRT in schools. This isnt a misunderstanding.

There is no CRT in schools. If you believe learning about slavery, heroes of the underground railroad and the horrors of reconstruction or system racism in banking and segregation are CRT then I don't know what to tell you.

No one is claiming any of the above is CRT. You seem confused between what is actual history and what is an underlying narrative that the US (and white people, specifically) are - and always will be - irredeemably racist. All school kids already learn about the bolded.

What I cited that you bolded, most on the right consider to be "CRT" - so until the idiots who rally against it understand the difference, I will stand by my statement. Also, CRT does not exist in any elementary or high schools.

Wrong. The only idiots here are those who write what you just did. No one on the right objects to teaching factual history - after all, it's been taught for decades with no issues. It's only since BLM came on the scene that history lessons started reflecting elements of CRT. Teachers are now trained in CRT concepts. While there are no "direct" CRT teachings in schools, there are certainly many lessons that reflect CRT thought. You can deny it as much as you want, but there is plenty of proof online. FCPS is just one school system that has spent *thousands* of dollars in teacher training with The Leadership Academy. Of course, they call that "Culturally Responsive Training," another unfortunate CRT acronym. I don't think I've ever read quite as much utter bull$hit as what's contained in the links below (all contracted programs with FCPS).

https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/BXX5YN128A2F/$file/FCPS%20Stakeholder%20Engagement%20Proposal%20FINAL%20SENT.pdf
https://www.leadershipacademy.org/blog/the-racially-responsive-facilitator/
https://www.leadershipacademy.org/blog/expect-pushback-when-leading-for-equity/
https://www.leadershipacademy.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Rebrand-Version-Equity-Leadership-Dispositions.pdf
https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/BTFRCZ6CA62E/$file/Final%20Anti-Racism%20Anti-Bias%20Curriculum%20Work%20Session%20Sept%2014%202020.pdf

You mean about the Africans who were happy and jovial workers in the fields? Please.

You have mentioned this trope several times and I can honestly say - where are you seeing this? I'm 54 and have never, ever read anything that even resembles that. Nor have my children. Did you bother to read any of the above links?

OP (not that PP)

https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2015/10/23/450826208/why-calling-slaves-workers-is-more-than-an-editing-error

https://qz.com/1273998/for-10-years-students-from-texas-have-been-using-a-history-textbook-that-says-not-all-slaves-were-unhappy

https://civilrightsheritage.com/2018/04/16/happy-slaves-described-in-7th-grade-virginia-textbook-used-for-20-yrs/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And also, Asian Americans are the most harmed by equity.

Asian americans are hugely overrepresented in many areas of privilege. That's pretty much the opposite of being harmed.

They are over-represented because they EARNED the right to be there. They WORKED for it. And are being penalized by public schools and colleges because of that.

But many do have privilege. Many Asians got here very recently with degrees and money already and went straight to good neighborhoods and top schools that had excluded Blacks.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And also, Asian Americans are the most harmed by equity.

Asian americans are hugely overrepresented in many areas of privilege. That's pretty much the opposite of being harmed.

They are over-represented because they EARNED the right to be there. They WORKED for it. And are being penalized by public schools and colleges because of that.

Well, no. Your value system places different emphasis on what constitutes “accomplishment.”

Believe it or not, real achievement in education isn’t just GPAs and test scores. The 4.4 / 1550 SAT kid isn’t owed a spot at VT because of those statistics, especially if he can’t listen to what VT values and demonstrate service and put some time into expressing himself clearly in the supplemental essays, with VT says are highly important.

I am so tired of this “well we earned it because our grades are better.”

No, you aren’t. You aren’t necessarily the better candidate. Deal with it. And saying that isn’t racial discrimination.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bottom line: equity is a political loser.

I didn’t vote for Youngkin, but I will be supporting republicans as long as dems keep pushing this nonsense.

Equity is a loser
Equity is nonsense

Wow. Look at you. You likely completely lack any ability to consider what things would be like if the roles were reversed and you were on the losing end instead of being on the winning end.

Not that PP, but I believe the point is that this obsessive focus on "equity," rather than academics, is a losing proposition. I would agree with that. Just take a look at what's been going on in FCPS, and no doubt other public school systems across the US. Enough already. Stop spending gobs of money and resources on this nonsense and maybe instead, beef up the actual ACADEMICS.

https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/BTFRCZ6CA62E/$file/Final%20Anti-Racism%20Anti-Bias%20Curriculum%20Work%20Session%20Sept%2014%202020.pdf

Your use of the word “obsessive” is ridiculous.

Can we return to talking about how Ron DeSantis wants to ban AP curriculum from Florida schools because they’re too “woke?” What do you think of that? Personally I think that’s “hold my beer” territory.