Conservative confusion over schools

[Anonymous]

People in the red states will presumably tell you that the Real Americans (tm) in those states are doing fine. It's all the Black people in the cities who are dragging down their state's school scores; on account of cities being depraved and Black people being their own worst enemies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People in the red states will presumably tell you that the Real Americans (tm) in those states are doing fine. It's all the Black people in the cities who are dragging down their state's school scores; on account of cities being depraved and Black people being their own worst enemies.

My DH's family in a red part of Ohio literally says this. All the time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People in the red states will presumably tell you that the Real Americans (tm) in those states are doing fine. It's all the Black people in the cities who are dragging down their state's school scores; on account of cities being depraved and Black people being their own worst enemies.

Texas has higher performance than Wisconsin among white students.
Texas has higher performance than Wisconsin among black students.
Texas has higher performance than Wisconsin among Hispanic students.

Wisconsin has higher overall education performance, because the proportion of whites is higher in Wisconsin.

[Anonymous]

I left Massachusetts after I saw they were going to put an emphasis on closing the racial gap in student performance, which meant schools would have an incentive to not raise the performance of top students.
A few years after I left, I saw that they were indeed closing down education programs that had mostly Asian students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ever since Glenn Youngkin squeaked to victory on a bad-faith platform that exploited suburban fears about public schools, Republicans everywhere have been adopting the playbook. Yell about “parental rights” and attack the phantom CRT menace. Lambast “equity” programs, especially if commitments to those can be juxtaposed against changes to academic programs that are tailored to higher-achieving students like honors classes.

Obviously we all know beyond being a cynical attempt to win elections, the real agenda behind this attack on education is to dumb down the future electorate since poorly educated people tend to vote more conservative. It’s also about trying to redirect taxpayer dollars to fund public schools to for-profit companies that run charter schools and also to religious-based private schools.

In Florida, Ron DeSantis has taken it a bit further and, in the name of protesting “liberal indoctrination” at post-secondary education (something that doesn’t actually exist, like CRT being taught in grade schools, but the dumbed down and frightened electorate doesn’t grasp this) but deliberately doing things like trying to turn a public school into a bastion of right-wing, reactionary education (see what’s happening at the New College).

But this has all gone completely meta now. Even as Republicans complain that the focus on equity in K-12 is resulting in things like honors programs being emphasized, DeSantis (whose policies and rhetoric are copied as much as Youngkin’s) is planning to do with AP courses IN THEIR ENTIRETY in Florida high schools. Because they’re too woke or something.

https://www.tampabay.com/news/education/2023/02/18/4-things-know-about-ron-desantis-idea-slash-ap-courses-florida/

Make it make sense.

It all makes sense. Same reason why privates are dropping APs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People in the red states will presumably tell you that the Real Americans (tm) in those states are doing fine. It's all the Black people in the cities who are dragging down their state's school scores; on account of cities being depraved and Black people being their own worst enemies.

Apparently you haven't read the MoCo schools forum. MD is as blue as it gets, but the same conversations happen on there, with the W schools performing well and the "ganglandia" schools dragging down the scores.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I left Massachusetts after I saw they were going to put an emphasis on closing the racial gap in student performance, which meant schools would have an incentive to not raise the performance of top students.
A few years after I left, I saw that they were indeed closing down education programs that had mostly Asian students.

It isn’t a zero sum game.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ever since Glenn Youngkin squeaked to victory on a bad-faith platform that exploited suburban fears about public schools, Republicans everywhere have been adopting the playbook. Yell about “parental rights” and attack the phantom CRT menace. Lambast “equity” programs, especially if commitments to those can be juxtaposed against changes to academic programs that are tailored to higher-achieving students like honors classes.

Obviously we all know beyond being a cynical attempt to win elections, the real agenda behind this attack on education is to dumb down the future electorate since poorly educated people tend to vote more conservative. It’s also about trying to redirect taxpayer dollars to fund public schools to for-profit companies that run charter schools and also to religious-based private schools.

In Florida, Ron DeSantis has taken it a bit further and, in the name of protesting “liberal indoctrination” at post-secondary education (something that doesn’t actually exist, like CRT being taught in grade schools, but the dumbed down and frightened electorate doesn’t grasp this) but deliberately doing things like trying to turn a public school into a bastion of right-wing, reactionary education (see what’s happening at the New College).

But this has all gone completely meta now. Even as Republicans complain that the focus on equity in K-12 is resulting in things like honors programs being emphasized, DeSantis (whose policies and rhetoric are copied as much as Youngkin’s) is planning to do with AP courses IN THEIR ENTIRETY in Florida high schools. Because they’re too woke or something.

https://www.tampabay.com/news/education/2023/02/18/4-things-know-about-ron-desantis-idea-slash-ap-courses-florida/

Make it make sense.

It all makes sense. Same reason why privates are dropping APs.

+1
It's so interesting that not one of these LWNJs will address the fact that the privates they salivate over have, for the most part, done away with APs already. Weird that no one will touch this! /s

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a winning issue for republicans because parents want merit based public schools, and don’t want grooming.

As a parent, I'm much more worried about the Proud Boys coming to my town to scream "groomer" at kids, like they did yesterday, than I am about non-existent grooming in public schools.

Ugh, it was worse than that, apparently as expected, the Proud Boys got violent and assaulted people. As they have done every time they've come to the DC area.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ever since Glenn Youngkin squeaked to victory on a bad-faith platform that exploited suburban fears about public schools, Republicans everywhere have been adopting the playbook. Yell about “parental rights” and attack the phantom CRT menace. Lambast “equity” programs, especially if commitments to those can be juxtaposed against changes to academic programs that are tailored to higher-achieving students like honors classes.

Obviously we all know beyond being a cynical attempt to win elections, the real agenda behind this attack on education is to dumb down the future electorate since poorly educated people tend to vote more conservative. It’s also about trying to redirect taxpayer dollars to fund public schools to for-profit companies that run charter schools and also to religious-based private schools.

In Florida, Ron DeSantis has taken it a bit further and, in the name of protesting “liberal indoctrination” at post-secondary education (something that doesn’t actually exist, like CRT being taught in grade schools, but the dumbed down and frightened electorate doesn’t grasp this) but deliberately doing things like trying to turn a public school into a bastion of right-wing, reactionary education (see what’s happening at the New College).

But this has all gone completely meta now. Even as Republicans complain that the focus on equity in K-12 is resulting in things like honors programs being emphasized, DeSantis (whose policies and rhetoric are copied as much as Youngkin’s) is planning to do with AP courses IN THEIR ENTIRETY in Florida high schools. Because they’re too woke or something.

https://www.tampabay.com/news/education/2023/02/18/4-things-know-about-ron-desantis-idea-slash-ap-courses-florida/

Make it make sense.

It all makes sense. Same reason why privates are dropping APs.

+1
It's so interesting that not one of these LWNJs will address the fact that the privates they salivate over have, for the most part, done away with APs already. Weird that no one will touch this! /s

Ehh no, it's your side that's constantly screeching about "scrotums"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ever since Glenn Youngkin squeaked to victory on a bad-faith platform that exploited suburban fears about public schools, Republicans everywhere have been adopting the playbook. Yell about “parental rights” and attack the phantom CRT menace. Lambast “equity” programs, especially if commitments to those can be juxtaposed against changes to academic programs that are tailored to higher-achieving students like honors classes.

Obviously we all know beyond being a cynical attempt to win elections, the real agenda behind this attack on education is to dumb down the future electorate since poorly educated people tend to vote more conservative. It’s also about trying to redirect taxpayer dollars to fund public schools to for-profit companies that run charter schools and also to religious-based private schools.

In Florida, Ron DeSantis has taken it a bit further and, in the name of protesting “liberal indoctrination” at post-secondary education (something that doesn’t actually exist, like CRT being taught in grade schools, but the dumbed down and frightened electorate doesn’t grasp this) but deliberately doing things like trying to turn a public school into a bastion of right-wing, reactionary education (see what’s happening at the New College).

But this has all gone completely meta now. Even as Republicans complain that the focus on equity in K-12 is resulting in things like honors programs being emphasized, DeSantis (whose policies and rhetoric are copied as much as Youngkin’s) is planning to do with AP courses IN THEIR ENTIRETY in Florida high schools. Because they’re too woke or something.

https://www.tampabay.com/news/education/2023/02/18/4-things-know-about-ron-desantis-idea-slash-ap-courses-florida/

Make it make sense.

It all makes sense. Same reason why privates are dropping APs.

People who can afford expensive privates can also afford expensive colleges, don't care about saving money on coursework that would have been saved by APs, and in some cases can buy their kid's way into college so don't care about admissions either. So I don't really see that as any sensible correlation to anything at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ever since Glenn Youngkin squeaked to victory on a bad-faith platform that exploited suburban fears about public schools, Republicans everywhere have been adopting the playbook. Yell about “parental rights” and attack the phantom CRT menace. Lambast “equity” programs, especially if commitments to those can be juxtaposed against changes to academic programs that are tailored to higher-achieving students like honors classes.

Obviously we all know beyond being a cynical attempt to win elections, the real agenda behind this attack on education is to dumb down the future electorate since poorly educated people tend to vote more conservative. It’s also about trying to redirect taxpayer dollars to fund public schools to for-profit companies that run charter schools and also to religious-based private schools.

In Florida, Ron DeSantis has taken it a bit further and, in the name of protesting “liberal indoctrination” at post-secondary education (something that doesn’t actually exist, like CRT being taught in grade schools, but the dumbed down and frightened electorate doesn’t grasp this) but deliberately doing things like trying to turn a public school into a bastion of right-wing, reactionary education (see what’s happening at the New College).

But this has all gone completely meta now. Even as Republicans complain that the focus on equity in K-12 is resulting in things like honors programs being emphasized, DeSantis (whose policies and rhetoric are copied as much as Youngkin’s) is planning to do with AP courses IN THEIR ENTIRETY in Florida high schools. Because they’re too woke or something.

https://www.tampabay.com/news/education/2023/02/18/4-things-know-about-ron-desantis-idea-slash-ap-courses-florida/

Make it make sense.

It all makes sense. Same reason why privates are dropping APs.

+1
It's so interesting that not one of these LWNJs will address the fact that the privates they salivate over have, for the most part, done away with APs already. Weird that no one will touch this! /s

Ehh no, it's your side that's constantly screeching about "scrotums"

I have no idea what you're babbling about, but do go on. Actually, don't bother. It won't make sense anyway.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think that some parents in nova had legitimate complaints. They felt that one candidate was listening to those complaints. Loudoun was a mess. Don’t oversell to make your arguments.

+1000

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Years ago, back in the early 1990s before things were quite so polarized, a professor said to the class that public education is always political. Because it is funded by taxpayers and representative of society, which meant the idea that people or some people should shut up and accept the wisdom of the educational authorities as fiat was wrong.

Some of you may be bothered by conservative concerns but their concerns are just as valid and important as yours. I must admit I find the recent emphasis on inclusion a bit bizarre because it implies schools weren't inclusive places in the past. Is that really the case? I'm 42 years old so I can't speak to the 1950s but the 1990s weren't dark ages. I support greater tolerance, naturally, but at the same time it's obvious what is allowed within that tolerance has greatly narrowed too. I'm pretty liberal but I'm glad I was educated 30 years ago, not today, because everything I see of educational establishments tells me they have become increasingly politicized and ideologically close-minded.

Liberals: We want to give everyone a fair chance.
Conservatives: Public education is too woke, so let's remove the books from the shelves and deny racism exists in our history and culture

bOtH sIdEs

Whatever liberals are doing, it is not working.

Not a single student can do math at grade level in 53 Illinois schools.

https://wirepoints.org/not-a-single-student-can-do-math-at-grade-level-in-53-illinois-schools-for-reading-its-30-schools-wirepoints/

The link to the data from the Illinois State Board of Education is in the article.

[Anonymous]