Conservative confusion over schools

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Anonymous wrote:Teachers should not talk to 3rd graders about sex. This shouldnt be controversial. It was common sense 5 years ago. This is why DeSantis has appeal, because you are correct, the left is terrifying when it comes to the bizarre insistence that children should learn about things like dildos and oral sex at school.

That’s just it. You erected a straw man. Third grade teachers *don’t* talk to third graders about sex. The fact that you think they do makes you either gullible or a lying liar who lies.

Then its all a non-issue and no one should be upset about the new restrictions.

Well, no, they should be teaching children about different kinds of families, etc. which has nothing to do with teaching about “sex.”

I am also against banning books. If that’s your thing, leave my country.

I dont care if my kids learn about different types of families at school. This is something they pick up just by being alive, going to peoples houses, and hanging out in their neighborhood. It doesnt require special instruction.

I am also against banning books. But I dont think that means we should buy any and all books for public school libraries. No normal person thinks we should stock public school libraries with terrorist propaganda, porn, etc. It's normal to believe age-appropriate, educational material.

I don’t care what you want. The rest of us want it. This is important. Because schools exist to educate children for what society needs, and that often means exposing them to ideas that are contrary to what their parents value. This is particularly important when the parents are bigoted, as you appear to be.

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You want porn and terrorist propaganda? Do you even believe what you are saying? Or, are you just babbling back and someone you disagree with?

When people show you who they are, believe them.

They also want CRT in schools, if you read their responses.

They want sexual material and CRT in schools. This isnt a misunderstanding.

There is no CRT in schools. If you believe learning about slavery, heroes of the underground railroad and the horrors of reconstruction or system racism in banking and segregation are CRT then I don't know what to tell you.

No one is claiming any of the above is CRT. You seem confused between what is actual history and what is an underlying narrative that the US (and white people, specifically) are - and always will be - irredeemably racist. All school kids already learn about the bolded.

What I cited that you bolded, most on the right consider to be "CRT" - so until the idiots who rally against it understand the difference, I will stand by my statement. Also, CRT does not exist in any elementary or high schools.

Wrong. The only idiots here are those who write what you just did. No one on the right objects to teaching factual history - after all, it's been taught for decades with no issues. It's only since BLM came on the scene that history lessons started reflecting elements of CRT. Teachers are now trained in CRT concepts. While there are no "direct" CRT teachings in schools, there are certainly many lessons that reflect CRT thought. You can deny it as much as you want, but there is plenty of proof online. FCPS is just one school system that has spent *thousands* of dollars in teacher training with The Leadership Academy. Of course, they call that "Culturally Responsive Training," another unfortunate CRT acronym. I don't think I've ever read quite as much utter bull$hit as what's contained in the links below (all contracted programs with FCPS).

https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/BXX5YN128A2F/$file/FCPS%20Stakeholder%20Engagement%20Proposal%20FINAL%20SENT.pdf
https://www.leadershipacademy.org/blog/the-racially-responsive-facilitator/
https://www.leadershipacademy.org/blog/expect-pushback-when-leading-for-equity/
https://www.leadershipacademy.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Rebrand-Version-Equity-Leadership-Dispositions.pdf
https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/BTFRCZ6CA62E/$file/Final%20Anti-Racism%20Anti-Bias%20Curriculum%20Work%20Session%20Sept%2014%202020.pdf

You mean about the Africans who were happy and jovial workers in the fields? Please.

"What ho, fellow African worker brethren, our easy day of work is done, let us now gather up our families and our musical instruments and feast and frolic with gaiety because life is so good!"

OMG, this made me laugh so hard!

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I'm not going to pretend that we havent been teaching slavery, the Underground Railroad, segregation and Jim Crow in schools. I learned about this in school. So did you. That is how we all know about it.

So the question is, do you think our kids should continue learning about slavery? I feel like most people would say yes. Slavery is part of our history. It happened.
But...if you purposely mislabel the teaching of slavery as "critical race theory" then you can muddy the waters without seeming overtly racist. It's a dog whistle.

https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2022/06/29/florida-teachers-raise-concerns-about-new-civics-training-say-it-downplays-slavery-promotes-originalism/

Yes. Literally no one is advocating for the removal of history lessons about slavery. In fact, I think the lessons need to go further with actual names of significant slaves in history, such as notable military figures, Sally Hemmings and Thomas Jefferson's kids, etc.

CRT has nothing to do with teaching history accurately.

You don't know what CRT is or isn't, other than it's a convenient bogeyman word to trigger the right wing.

And you think that no one learned about slavery in schools until BLM showed up. We all just fell off the apple cart, not sure who Harriett Tubman is, learning about slavery through vague rumors.

THIS ^^. What a bunch of poseurs.

You semiliterate goon. Scroll back a few pages to the examples from actual recent textbooks talking about how they were just "African workers" and that slavery was not so bad. There's pleny more where that came from, if you'd bother to actually do some reading.

No. People are well aware that slavery is part of our history. You are rewriting history by claiming that knowledge of slavery has been suppressed.

I mean, bruh. We all read Huckleberry Finn.

Oh come on. I didn't see anyone on this thread claiming knowledge of slavery was suppressed. But it has definitely been downplayed and misrepresented in curricula and textbooks including some current ones (Texas for example has some real doozies), and a lot of what followed up into the present has not been well taught. That's definitely a fact.

People are claiming this. I am friends mostly with liberals and the big trend right now is to pretend we didnt learn about slavery at school, or to pretend we were taught it was NBD.

No. I was never taught that. I was taught that Lincoln was heroic, that slaves fought on both sides-- sometimes being forced to fight for their own enslavement with the confederacy, and that our nation was nearly brought to an end over the issue. Definitely never taught that it was a minor thing. And it would be very difficult to portray it that way given the literal civil war. I am not going to pretend I just found out slavery was a huge issue.

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Anonymous wrote:Teachers should not talk to 3rd graders about sex. This shouldnt be controversial. It was common sense 5 years ago. This is why DeSantis has appeal, because you are correct, the left is terrifying when it comes to the bizarre insistence that children should learn about things like dildos and oral sex at school.

That’s just it. You erected a straw man. Third grade teachers *don’t* talk to third graders about sex. The fact that you think they do makes you either gullible or a lying liar who lies.

Then its all a non-issue and no one should be upset about the new restrictions.

Well, no, they should be teaching children about different kinds of families, etc. which has nothing to do with teaching about “sex.”

I am also against banning books. If that’s your thing, leave my country.

I dont care if my kids learn about different types of families at school. This is something they pick up just by being alive, going to peoples houses, and hanging out in their neighborhood. It doesnt require special instruction.

I am also against banning books. But I dont think that means we should buy any and all books for public school libraries. No normal person thinks we should stock public school libraries with terrorist propaganda, porn, etc. It's normal to believe age-appropriate, educational material.

I don’t care what you want. The rest of us want it. This is important. Because schools exist to educate children for what society needs, and that often means exposing them to ideas that are contrary to what their parents value. This is particularly important when the parents are bigoted, as you appear to be.

DP
You want porn and terrorist propaganda? Do you even believe what you are saying? Or, are you just babbling back and someone you disagree with?

When people show you who they are, believe them.

They also want CRT in schools, if you read their responses.

They want sexual material and CRT in schools. This isnt a misunderstanding.

There is no CRT in schools. If you believe learning about slavery, heroes of the underground railroad and the horrors of reconstruction or system racism in banking and segregation are CRT then I don't know what to tell you.

No one is claiming any of the above is CRT. You seem confused between what is actual history and what is an underlying narrative that the US (and white people, specifically) are - and always will be - irredeemably racist. All school kids already learn about the bolded.

What I cited that you bolded, most on the right consider to be "CRT" - so until the idiots who rally against it understand the difference, I will stand by my statement. Also, CRT does not exist in any elementary or high schools.

Wrong. The only idiots here are those who write what you just did. No one on the right objects to teaching factual history - after all, it's been taught for decades with no issues. It's only since BLM came on the scene that history lessons started reflecting elements of CRT. Teachers are now trained in CRT concepts. While there are no "direct" CRT teachings in schools, there are certainly many lessons that reflect CRT thought. You can deny it as much as you want, but there is plenty of proof online. FCPS is just one school system that has spent *thousands* of dollars in teacher training with The Leadership Academy. Of course, they call that "Culturally Responsive Training," another unfortunate CRT acronym. I don't think I've ever read quite as much utter bull$hit as what's contained in the links below (all contracted programs with FCPS).

https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/BXX5YN128A2F/$file/FCPS%20Stakeholder%20Engagement%20Proposal%20FINAL%20SENT.pdf
https://www.leadershipacademy.org/blog/the-racially-responsive-facilitator/
https://www.leadershipacademy.org/blog/expect-pushback-when-leading-for-equity/
https://www.leadershipacademy.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Rebrand-Version-Equity-Leadership-Dispositions.pdf
https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/BTFRCZ6CA62E/$file/Final%20Anti-Racism%20Anti-Bias%20Curriculum%20Work%20Session%20Sept%2014%202020.pdf

You mean about the Africans who were happy and jovial workers in the fields? Please.

You have mentioned this trope several times and I can honestly say - where are you seeing this? I'm 54 and have never, ever read anything that even resembles that. Nor have my children. Did you bother to read any of the above links?

Look, this perpetual incredulity bullshit of yours isn't working. Do some reading. Read up on the debacles over some of Texas's history books for example. There are tons of examples of very questionable teaching of slavery and black history out there.

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Bottom line: equity is a political loser.

I didn’t vote for Youngkin, but I will be supporting republicans as long as dems keep pushing this nonsense.

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom line: equity is a political loser.

I didn’t vote for Youngkin, but I will be supporting republicans as long as dems keep pushing this nonsense.

Equity is a loser
Equity is nonsense

Wow. Look at you. You likely completely lack any ability to consider what things would be like if the roles were reversed and you were on the losing end instead of being on the winning end.

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom line: equity is a political loser.

I didn’t vote for Youngkin, but I will be supporting republicans as long as dems keep pushing this nonsense.

Equity is a loser
Equity is nonsense

Wow. Look at you. You likely completely lack any ability to consider what things would be like if the roles were reversed and you were on the losing end instead of being on the winning end.

Not that PP, but I believe the point is that this obsessive focus on "equity," rather than academics, is a losing proposition. I would agree with that. Just take a look at what's been going on in FCPS, and no doubt other public school systems across the US. Enough already. Stop spending gobs of money and resources on this nonsense and maybe instead, beef up the actual ACADEMICS.

https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/BTFRCZ6CA62E/$file/Final%20Anti-Racism%20Anti-Bias%20Curriculum%20Work%20Session%20Sept%2014%202020.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom line: equity is a political loser.

I didn’t vote for Youngkin, but I will be supporting republicans as long as dems keep pushing this nonsense.

Equity is a loser
Equity is nonsense

Wow. Look at you. You likely completely lack any ability to consider what things would be like if the roles were reversed and you were on the losing end instead of being on the winning end.

Not that PP, but I believe the point is that this obsessive focus on "equity," rather than academics, is a losing proposition. I would agree with that. Just take a look at what's been going on in FCPS, and no doubt other public school systems across the US. Enough already. Stop spending gobs of money and resources on this nonsense and maybe instead, beef up the actual ACADEMICS.

https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/BTFRCZ6CA62E/$file/Final%20Anti-Racism%20Anti-Bias%20Curriculum%20Work%20Session%20Sept%2014%202020.pdf

Wow...how dare they emphasize anti-racism? No wonder the pro-racists are so mad.

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom line: equity is a political loser.

I didn’t vote for Youngkin, but I will be supporting republicans as long as dems keep pushing this nonsense.

Equity is a loser
Equity is nonsense

Wow. Look at you. You likely completely lack any ability to consider what things would be like if the roles were reversed and you were on the losing end instead of being on the winning end.

Not that PP, but I believe the point is that this obsessive focus on "equity," rather than academics, is a losing proposition. I would agree with that. Just take a look at what's been going on in FCPS, and no doubt other public school systems across the US. Enough already. Stop spending gobs of money and resources on this nonsense and maybe instead, beef up the actual ACADEMICS.

https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/BTFRCZ6CA62E/$file/Final%20Anti-Racism%20Anti-Bias%20Curriculum%20Work%20Session%20Sept%2014%202020.pdf

Wow...how dare they emphasize anti-racism? No wonder the pro-racists are so mad.

Ugh, run along, troll. One doesn't have to be "pro-racist" to reject the fanatical focus on equity/social justice above all else. So glad my youngest is almost done with this nonsense.

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Anonymous wrote:Teachers should not talk to 3rd graders about sex. This shouldnt be controversial. It was common sense 5 years ago. This is why DeSantis has appeal, because you are correct, the left is terrifying when it comes to the bizarre insistence that children should learn about things like dildos and oral sex at school.

That’s just it. You erected a straw man. Third grade teachers *don’t* talk to third graders about sex. The fact that you think they do makes you either gullible or a lying liar who lies.

Then its all a non-issue and no one should be upset about the new restrictions.

Well, no, they should be teaching children about different kinds of families, etc. which has nothing to do with teaching about “sex.”

I am also against banning books. If that’s your thing, leave my country.

I dont care if my kids learn about different types of families at school. This is something they pick up just by being alive, going to peoples houses, and hanging out in their neighborhood. It doesnt require special instruction.

I am also against banning books. But I dont think that means we should buy any and all books for public school libraries. No normal person thinks we should stock public school libraries with terrorist propaganda, porn, etc. It's normal to believe age-appropriate, educational material.

I don’t care what you want. The rest of us want it. This is important. Because schools exist to educate children for what society needs, and that often means exposing them to ideas that are contrary to what their parents value. This is particularly important when the parents are bigoted, as you appear to be.

DP
You want porn and terrorist propaganda? Do you even believe what you are saying? Or, are you just babbling back and someone you disagree with?

When people show you who they are, believe them.

They also want CRT in schools, if you read their responses.

They want sexual material and CRT in schools. This isnt a misunderstanding.

There is no CRT in schools. If you believe learning about slavery, heroes of the underground railroad and the horrors of reconstruction or system racism in banking and segregation are CRT then I don't know what to tell you.

No one is claiming any of the above is CRT. You seem confused between what is actual history and what is an underlying narrative that the US (and white people, specifically) are - and always will be - irredeemably racist. All school kids already learn about the bolded.

What I cited that you bolded, most on the right consider to be "CRT" - so until the idiots who rally against it understand the difference, I will stand by my statement. Also, CRT does not exist in any elementary or high schools.

Wrong. The only idiots here are those who write what you just did. No one on the right objects to teaching factual history - after all, it's been taught for decades with no issues. It's only since BLM came on the scene that history lessons started reflecting elements of CRT. Teachers are now trained in CRT concepts. While there are no "direct" CRT teachings in schools, there are certainly many lessons that reflect CRT thought. You can deny it as much as you want, but there is plenty of proof online. FCPS is just one school system that has spent *thousands* of dollars in teacher training with The Leadership Academy. Of course, they call that "Culturally Responsive Training," another unfortunate CRT acronym. I don't think I've ever read quite as much utter bull$hit as what's contained in the links below (all contracted programs with FCPS).

https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/BXX5YN128A2F/$file/FCPS%20Stakeholder%20Engagement%20Proposal%20FINAL%20SENT.pdf
https://www.leadershipacademy.org/blog/the-racially-responsive-facilitator/
https://www.leadershipacademy.org/blog/expect-pushback-when-leading-for-equity/
https://www.leadershipacademy.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Rebrand-Version-Equity-Leadership-Dispositions.pdf
https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/BTFRCZ6CA62E/$file/Final%20Anti-Racism%20Anti-Bias%20Curriculum%20Work%20Session%20Sept%2014%202020.pdf

You mean about the Africans who were happy and jovial workers in the fields? Please.

You have mentioned this trope several times and I can honestly say - where are you seeing this? I'm 54 and have never, ever read anything that even resembles that. Nor have my children. Did you bother to read any of the above links?

Look, this perpetual incredulity bullshit of yours isn't working. Do some reading. Read up on the debacles over some of Texas's history books for example. There are tons of examples of very questionable teaching of slavery and black history out there.

If you have to research obscure examples of slavery being taught inaccurately somewhere in Texas, by definition, it is not a widespread issue. I was raised in the hinterlands of flyover country and was taught all about American history that the left apparently just learned about, like segregation, reconstuction, the difficult legacy of Gone with the Wind, and quite a bit about the cotton industry.

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Ugh, run along, troll. One doesn't have to be "pro-racist" to reject the fanatical focus on equity/social justice above all else. So glad my youngest is almost done with this nonsense.

Really, above all else? I don't see where they say equity/social justice is more important than math or reading or science...

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom line: equity is a political loser.

I didn’t vote for Youngkin, but I will be supporting republicans as long as dems keep pushing this nonsense.

Equity is a loser
Equity is nonsense

Wow. Look at you. You likely completely lack any ability to consider what things would be like if the roles were reversed and you were on the losing end instead of being on the winning end.

Not that PP, but I believe the point is that this obsessive focus on "equity," rather than academics, is a losing proposition. I would agree with that. Just take a look at what's been going on in FCPS, and no doubt other public school systems across the US. Enough already. Stop spending gobs of money and resources on this nonsense and maybe instead, beef up the actual ACADEMICS.

https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/BTFRCZ6CA62E/$file/Final%20Anti-Racism%20Anti-Bias%20Curriculum%20Work%20Session%20Sept%2014%202020.pdf

Who is saying equity should be taught instead of academics, math, writing and reading? Do you have an actual citation you can provide?

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom line: equity is a political loser.

I didn’t vote for Youngkin, but I will be supporting republicans as long as dems keep pushing this nonsense.

Equity is a loser
Equity is nonsense

Wow. Look at you. You likely completely lack any ability to consider what things would be like if the roles were reversed and you were on the losing end instead of being on the winning end.

Not that PP, but I believe the point is that this obsessive focus on "equity," rather than academics, is a losing proposition. I would agree with that. Just take a look at what's been going on in FCPS, and no doubt other public school systems across the US. Enough already. Stop spending gobs of money and resources on this nonsense and maybe instead, beef up the actual ACADEMICS.

https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/BTFRCZ6CA62E/$file/Final%20Anti-Racism%20Anti-Bias%20Curriculum%20Work%20Session%20Sept%2014%202020.pdf

Who is saying equity should be taught instead of academics, math, writing and reading? Do you have an actual citation you can provide?

DP, but just a few responses up, someone discussed teaching "anti racism." That is political activism. It's not academics.

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom line: equity is a political loser.

I didn’t vote for Youngkin, but I will be supporting republicans as long as dems keep pushing this nonsense.

You clearly have never been in a position of being in someone else's shoes. Maybe read up a little on what it is like to be black in this country. Or hispanic. Or Asian.

You may not want to admit it, or perhaps you are being willfully ignorant, but your entitlement is showing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom line: equity is a political loser.

I didn’t vote for Youngkin, but I will be supporting republicans as long as dems keep pushing this nonsense.

Equity is a loser
Equity is nonsense

Wow. Look at you. You likely completely lack any ability to consider what things would be like if the roles were reversed and you were on the losing end instead of being on the winning end.

Not that PP, but I believe the point is that this obsessive focus on "equity," rather than academics, is a losing proposition. I would agree with that. Just take a look at what's been going on in FCPS, and no doubt other public school systems across the US. Enough already. Stop spending gobs of money and resources on this nonsense and maybe instead, beef up the actual ACADEMICS.

https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/BTFRCZ6CA62E/$file/Final%20Anti-Racism%20Anti-Bias%20Curriculum%20Work%20Session%20Sept%2014%202020.pdf

The only people obsessed with "equity" are the right wingers who keep bringing it up as a bogeyman.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ever since Glenn Youngkin squeaked to victory on a bad-faith platform that exploited suburban fears about public schools, Republicans everywhere have been adopting the playbook. Yell about “parental rights” and attack the phantom CRT menace. Lambast “equity” programs, especially if commitments to those can be juxtaposed against changes to academic programs that are tailored to higher-achieving students like honors classes.

Obviously we all know beyond being a cynical attempt to win elections, the real agenda behind this attack on education is to dumb down the future electorate since poorly educated people tend to vote more conservative. It’s also about trying to redirect taxpayer dollars to fund public schools to for-profit companies that run charter schools and also to religious-based private schools.

In Florida, Ron DeSantis has taken it a bit further and, in the name of protesting “liberal indoctrination” at post-secondary education (something that doesn’t actually exist, like CRT being taught in grade schools, but the dumbed down and frightened electorate doesn’t grasp this) but deliberately doing things like trying to turn a public school into a bastion of right-wing, reactionary education (see what’s happening at the New College).

But this has all gone completely meta now. Even as Republicans complain that the focus on equity in K-12 is resulting in things like honors programs being emphasized, DeSantis (whose policies and rhetoric are copied as much as Youngkin’s) is planning to do with AP courses IN THEIR ENTIRETY in Florida high schools. Because they’re too woke or something.

https://www.tampabay.com/news/education/2023/02/18/4-things-know-about-ron-desantis-idea-slash-ap-courses-florida/

Make it make sense.

I bet a dollar OP just copied some nonsense from ChatGPT