Conservative confusion over schools

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Which political side wants to get rid of standardized tests?

Which political side wants to get rid of grades?

So again, which political side wants to dumb down the electorate?

Republicans are doing the double down. No party I know of advocates doing away with standardized tests or grades.

Ron DeSantis is opposed to advanced education in Florida schools though

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Which political side wants to get rid of standardized tests?

Which political side wants to get rid of grades?

So again, which political side wants to dumb down the electorate?

Republicans are doing the double down. No party I know of advocates doing away with standardized tests or grades.

Ron DeSantis is opposed to advanced education in Florida schools though

https://progressive.org/public-schools-advocate/biden-movement-oppose-standardized-test-jacobs-210322/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Which political side wants to get rid of standardized tests?

Which political side wants to get rid of grades?

So again, which political side wants to dumb down the electorate?

Republicans are doing the double down. No party I know of advocates doing away with standardized tests or grades.

Ron DeSantis is opposed to advanced education in Florida schools though

https://progressive.org/public-schools-advocate/biden-movement-oppose-standardized-test-jacobs-210322/

Well, Biden is right. Standardized testing is inherently dumb and flawed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Teachers should not talk to 3rd graders about sex. This shouldnt be controversial. It was common sense 5 years ago. This is why DeSantis has appeal, because you are correct, the left is terrifying when it comes to the bizarre insistence that children should learn about things like dildos and oral sex at school.

That’s just it. You erected a straw man. Third grade teachers *don’t* talk to third graders about sex. The fact that you think they do makes you either gullible or a lying liar who lies.

Then its all a non-issue and no one should be upset about the new restrictions.

Well, no, they should be teaching children about different kinds of families, etc. which has nothing to do with teaching about “sex.”

I am also against banning books. If that’s your thing, leave my country.

I dont care if my kids learn about different types of families at school. This is something they pick up just by being alive, going to peoples houses, and hanging out in their neighborhood. It doesnt require special instruction.

I am also against banning books. But I dont think that means we should buy any and all books for public school libraries. No normal person thinks we should stock public school libraries with terrorist propaganda, porn, etc. It's normal to believe age-appropriate, educational material.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a winning issue for republicans because parents want merit based public schools, and don’t want grooming.

As a parent, I'm much more worried about the Proud Boys coming to my town to scream "groomer" at kids, like they did yesterday, than I am about non-existent grooming in public schools.

? When was this

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a winning issue for republicans because parents want merit based public schools, and don’t want grooming.

As a parent, I'm much more worried about the Proud Boys coming to my town to scream "groomer" at kids, like they did yesterday, than I am about non-existent grooming in public schools.

? When was this

DP but a group protested a drag performance for children in Silver Spring.

We all know how much the left hates protests-- they would never do such a thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ever since Glenn Youngkin squeaked to victory on a bad-faith platform that exploited suburban fears about public schools, Republicans everywhere have been adopting the playbook. Yell about “parental rights” and attack the phantom CRT menace. Lambast “equity” programs, especially if commitments to those can be juxtaposed against changes to academic programs that are tailored to higher-achieving students like honors classes.

Obviously we all know beyond being a cynical attempt to win elections, the real agenda behind this attack on education is to dumb down the future electorate since poorly educated people tend to vote more conservative. It’s also about trying to redirect taxpayer dollars to fund public schools to for-profit companies that run charter schools and also to religious-based private schools.

In Florida, Ron DeSantis has taken it a bit further and, in the name of protesting “liberal indoctrination” at post-secondary education (something that doesn’t actually exist, like CRT being taught in grade schools, but the dumbed down and frightened electorate doesn’t grasp this) but deliberately doing things like trying to turn a public school into a bastion of right-wing, reactionary education (see what’s happening at the New College).

But this has all gone completely meta now. Even as Republicans complain that the focus on equity in K-12 is resulting in things like honors programs being emphasized, DeSantis (whose policies and rhetoric are copied as much as Youngkin’s) is planning to do with AP courses IN THEIR ENTIRETY in Florida high schools. Because they’re too woke or something.

https://www.tampabay.com/news/education/2023/02/18/4-things-know-about-ron-desantis-idea-slash-ap-courses-florida/

Make it make sense.

Not only that, Youngkin sent out a bat signal and got far right activists from all around the country to converge on NoVA school board meetings pretending to be local parents shrieking about everything and anything including imaginary CRT, resulting in school board members and school officials receiving horrific threats to rape and murder them and their children, burn their houses down and so on.

Calling it bad-faith is too gentle.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a winning issue for republicans because parents want merit based public schools, and don’t want grooming.

As a parent, I'm much more worried about the Proud Boys coming to my town to scream "groomer" at kids, like they did yesterday, than I am about non-existent grooming in public schools.

? When was this

DP but a group protested a drag performance for children in Silver Spring.

We all know how much the left hates protests-- they would never do such a thing.

Nothing wrong with peaceful protest but every time the Proud Boys come to DC they get violent and attack people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ever since Glenn Youngkin squeaked to victory on a bad-faith platform that exploited suburban fears about public schools, Republicans everywhere have been adopting the playbook. Yell about “parental rights” and attack the phantom CRT menace. Lambast “equity” programs, especially if commitments to those can be juxtaposed against changes to academic programs that are tailored to higher-achieving students like honors classes.

Obviously we all know beyond being a cynical attempt to win elections, the real agenda behind this attack on education is to dumb down the future electorate since poorly educated people tend to vote more conservative. It’s also about trying to redirect taxpayer dollars to fund public schools to for-profit companies that run charter schools and also to religious-based private schools.

In Florida, Ron DeSantis has taken it a bit further and, in the name of protesting “liberal indoctrination” at post-secondary education (something that doesn’t actually exist, like CRT being taught in grade schools, but the dumbed down and frightened electorate doesn’t grasp this) but deliberately doing things like trying to turn a public school into a bastion of right-wing, reactionary education (see what’s happening at the New College).

But this has all gone completely meta now. Even as Republicans complain that the focus on equity in K-12 is resulting in things like honors programs being emphasized, DeSantis (whose policies and rhetoric are copied as much as Youngkin’s) is planning to do with AP courses IN THEIR ENTIRETY in Florida high schools. Because they’re too woke or something.

https://www.tampabay.com/news/education/2023/02/18/4-things-know-about-ron-desantis-idea-slash-ap-courses-florida/

Make it make sense.

Not only that, Youngkin sent out a bat signal and got far right activists from all around the country to converge on NoVA school board meetings pretending to be local parents shrieking about everything and anything including imaginary CRT, resulting in school board members and school officials receiving horrific threats to rape and murder them and their children, burn their houses down and so on.

Calling it bad-faith is too gentle.

You are willfully ignoring what happened. Read the Grand Jury report.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Teachers should not talk to 3rd graders about sex. This shouldnt be controversial. It was common sense 5 years ago. This is why DeSantis has appeal, because you are correct, the left is terrifying when it comes to the bizarre insistence that children should learn about things like dildos and oral sex at school.

It's not just the dildos and oral sex DeSantis objects to...he doesn't want kids reading any book that depicts a same-sex couple (but heterosexual couples are fine of course).

Show me a curriculum or policy from a major school district saying 3rd graders should be taught about dildos and oral sex. This is NOT a thing. What you're talking about is ONE flaky teacher somewhere who took it upon themselves to do this. You aren't going to get very far with anyone other than feeble gullible minds trying to extrapolate and project that onto all liberals and all schools.

Of course not all schools do this. But why are you okay with it happening at all?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DeSantis/FL are not only going after AP courses, they're also looking at a "classical and Christian" alternative to the SAT.

https://www.tampabay.com/news/florida-politics/202...e-board-ap-sat/?lctg=136252390

No APs will be a setback for many students. They will be far behind their out-of-state peers. Also, if he goes forward with an "alternative to the SAT" that will HUGELY limit the number of colleges and universities those kids can attend.

I feel particularly bad for teenage Floridian girls right now - invasive inquiries about their menstrual cycles, severe restrictions put on their reproductive health, and now having their collegiate future stripped away from them. It's like Florida is sliding straight into a dystopian hellscape right out of the Handmaid's Tale.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Teachers should not talk to 3rd graders about sex. This shouldnt be controversial. It was common sense 5 years ago. This is why DeSantis has appeal, because you are correct, the left is terrifying when it comes to the bizarre insistence that children should learn about things like dildos and oral sex at school.

It's not just the dildos and oral sex DeSantis objects to...he doesn't want kids reading any book that depicts a same-sex couple (but heterosexual couples are fine of course).

Show me a curriculum or policy from a major school district saying 3rd graders should be taught about dildos and oral sex. This is NOT a thing. What you're talking about is ONE flaky teacher somewhere who took it upon themselves to do this. You aren't going to get very far with anyone other than feeble gullible minds trying to extrapolate and project that onto all liberals and all schools.

Of course not all schools do this. But why are you okay with it happening at all?

I'm not OK with it. But where I differ from you is that I don't even think it's a "of course not all schools do this" - it would be a complete anomaly if even ONE school taught 3rd graders about oral sex and dildos, it's unlikely that one actually even did: https://www.politico.com/newsletters/new-jersey-playbook/2021/08/20/no-schools-arent-teaching-kindergartners-about-sex-acts-494054

The only references I could find claiming it did happen were from very sketchy far right sites, as opposed to any reputable or credible source.

Yet here we are, with a massive far right freak out, and politicians lying about it and building entire campaigns about it, when it probably didn't actually even happen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DeSantis/FL are not only going after AP courses, they're also looking at a "classical and Christian" alternative to the SAT.

https://www.tampabay.com/news/florida-politics/202...e-board-ap-sat/?lctg=136252390

No APs will be a setback for many students. They will be far behind their out-of-state peers. Also, if he goes forward with an "alternative to the SAT" that will HUGELY limit the number of colleges and universities those kids can attend.

I feel particularly bad for teenage Floridian girls right now - invasive inquiries about their menstrual cycles, severe restrictions put on their reproductive health, and now having their collegiate future stripped away from them. It's like Florida is sliding straight into a dystopian hellscape right out of the Handmaid's Tale.

Where you crying about the SATs being dropped by colleges to improve diversity a few years ago?

https://hechingerreport.org/questioning-their-fairness-a-record-number-of-colleges-stop-requiring-the-sat-and-act/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kimelsesser/2020/04/27/sat-act-policies-may-improve-diversity-at-colleges-and-universities/?sh=787d3b2f3bd5


Also, girls dont have to submit their menstral records. They never had to, and dont now.

Re: AP, they arent the only game in town. There's dual enrollment and IB, among others.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Teachers should not talk to 3rd graders about sex. This shouldnt be controversial. It was common sense 5 years ago. This is why DeSantis has appeal, because you are correct, the left is terrifying when it comes to the bizarre insistence that children should learn about things like dildos and oral sex at school.

It's not just the dildos and oral sex DeSantis objects to...he doesn't want kids reading any book that depicts a same-sex couple (but heterosexual couples are fine of course).

Show me a curriculum or policy from a major school district saying 3rd graders should be taught about dildos and oral sex. This is NOT a thing. What you're talking about is ONE flaky teacher somewhere who took it upon themselves to do this. You aren't going to get very far with anyone other than feeble gullible minds trying to extrapolate and project that onto all liberals and all schools.

Of course not all schools do this. But why are you okay with it happening at all?

I'm not OK with it. But where I differ from you is that I don't even think it's a "of course not all schools do this" - it would be a complete anomaly if even ONE school taught 3rd graders about oral sex and dildos, it's unlikely that one actually even did: https://www.politico.com/newsletters/new-jersey-playbook/2021/08/20/no-schools-arent-teaching-kindergartners-about-sex-acts-494054

The only references I could find claiming it did happen were from very sketchy far right sites, as opposed to any reputable or credible source.

Yet here we are, with a massive far right freak out, and politicians lying about it and building entire campaigns about it, when it probably didn't actually even happen.

Why should we have to have lots of examples of children being subjected to sexualized material before we can agree it should be restricted? Im not okay with it in isolated cases, much less lots of them. You do yourself no favors by saying it is a "far right freakout" to be against pedophilia. Which, according to the left, is prevalent in Republican circles, so this should be a rare point of bipartisan agreement.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ever since Glenn Youngkin squeaked to victory on a bad-faith platform that exploited suburban fears about public schools, Republicans everywhere have been adopting the playbook. Yell about “parental rights” and attack the phantom CRT menace. Lambast “equity” programs, especially if commitments to those can be juxtaposed against changes to academic programs that are tailored to higher-achieving students like honors classes.

Obviously we all know beyond being a cynical attempt to win elections, the real agenda behind this attack on education is to dumb down the future electorate since poorly educated people tend to vote more conservative. It’s also about trying to redirect taxpayer dollars to fund public schools to for-profit companies that run charter schools and also to religious-based private schools.

In Florida, Ron DeSantis has taken it a bit further and, in the name of protesting “liberal indoctrination” at post-secondary education (something that doesn’t actually exist, like CRT being taught in grade schools, but the dumbed down and frightened electorate doesn’t grasp this) but deliberately doing things like trying to turn a public school into a bastion of right-wing, reactionary education (see what’s happening at the New College).

But this has all gone completely meta now. Even as Republicans complain that the focus on equity in K-12 is resulting in things like honors programs being emphasized, DeSantis (whose policies and rhetoric are copied as much as Youngkin’s) is planning to do with AP courses IN THEIR ENTIRETY in Florida high schools. Because they’re too woke or something.

https://www.tampabay.com/news/education/2023/02/18/4-things-know-about-ron-desantis-idea-slash-ap-courses-florida/

Make it make sense.

Wow, OP. If you want to talk about confusion, let's start with your post.

I am a former teacher and a parent. Our schools are in desperate need of reform. Some of the crap that kids are being exposed to today is ridiculous. Perhaps your kids (if you have any) have been taught the basics and not had a daily dose of CRT, but to claim that is not happening is just outright false. All one has to do is view some of the school board testimony from around the country to know that it is indeed happening. And, a quick gander at some of the curriculum posted online......

And, this statement that you made...."the real agenda behind this attack on education is to dumb down the future electorate since poorly educated people tend to vote more conservative."
You cannot possibly believe that. Republicans, like Democrats, pay taxes and want to send their kids to schools that are rigorous and teach kids HOW to think. Not WHAT to think. Our kids fared really poorly during the pandemic. You have to know that. And, right now, not much is being done to ensure kids catch up to where they should be.

And, don't even get me started at the number of low income kids around our country who attend failing schools and have no choice where to send their kids to learn. In 23 schools in Baltimore, ZERO students are proficient in math. You think the parents of these kids would like other options?

And, do a little research as to what DeSantis is looking at doing. You might be surprised,......Watch the video. (Hint: There are other options)

Just curious.... Do you have kids?