Two children killed by family pet

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Anonymous wrote:In all seriousness this thread has me terrified of encountering a pit while walking my doodle. Is there a spray I can carry like mace or bear spray?

Yes of course. Why wouldn't you carry it?

just know that once you spray it in the air it gets in everyone’s eyes. If the dogs are fighting not sure how you would do this. And if you spray someone else’s dog because it barks at you then you could get charged with animal cruelty. So know what you’re getting into if you decide to go that route.

(Apart from this issue, anyone who wishes to carry bear spray/pepper spray/mace should know that many of the formulas are gel these days and spray much more directionally than the old pepper sprays of yore.)

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Anonymous wrote:Fewer than 50 people a year die from dog bites. I can't believe how people react so vehemently to this - and yes it is horrible - but 21 people were killed at Ulvade and what are we doing about it?

You talk about bans,
the police shoot about 1000 people to death a year.
How many rapes and or murders per year do male humans commit?
How many kids die per year from sports related injuries?

I agree a person is nuts to have big strong dogs around kids. It's like leaving a loaded gun around. But all dogs are not the same. I've had many dogs in and out of my home through foster care and the scariest ones have been chihuahuas and a blue heeler.

Most pit bulls I've encountered are mutts, not intentionally bred but irresponsibly brought into the world through neglect. The unfixed parents make the puppies and the owners just don't care.

I would agree that it should be illegal to own an unfixed dog and I would get on board with only licensed breeders, breeding from selected/approved stock. There are approximately 18 MILLION pit bulls in the US, there is a reason there aren't millions of dog bites or fatal maulings per year. Because not all dogs are the same.

I don’t know about you, but I’m capable of caring about more than one issue at a time.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In all seriousness this thread has me terrified of encountering a pit while walking my doodle. Is there a spray I can carry like mace or bear spray?

Yes of course. Why wouldn't you carry it?

just know that once you spray it in the air it gets in everyone’s eyes. If the dogs are fighting not sure how you would do this. And if you spray someone else’s dog because it barks at you then you could get charged with animal cruelty. So know what you’re getting into if you decide to go that route.

(Apart from this issue, anyone who wishes to carry bear spray/pepper spray/mace should know that many of the formulas are gel these days and spray much more directionally than the old pepper sprays of yore.)

I've been riding in a pickup truck when bear spray deployed accidentally. It will get in everyone's eyes. It is strong. I had to bolt from the pickup to get relief.

Treat bear spray with extreme caution. Our can was on the divider hump on floor of the pickup truck. It was knocked over and deployed around my feet. It made no sound. The next thing I knew was my eyes were burning and I yelled at my boyfriend to stop the truck. He had no idea what was going on.
I bolted from the truck. Fortunately we were going around 15 mph. It would have been problematic at high speeds.

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Anonymous wrote:Why on earth does anyone want a pitbull? It makes no sense.

To show off.

One of my employees had pit bull puppies (2). My understanding is they were cute when small. They have since destroyed the furniture in her apartment and I think also the drywall. She is currently pregnant. She has moved out to live with her boyfriend. Hopefully she did not take the dogs and
her former girlfriend still has the dogs.

In many neighborhoods pit bull puppies are free and available.

As I was walking down my eastern shore farm lane two weeks ago I came across a very, very wealthy neighbor. He was walking a dog which happened to be a Pit Bull. I asked about the dog because I'd never seen him with a dog before. He told me the dog had been a stray and had adopted him.
He wasn't sure about keeping the dog. The dog was full grown and pulling on the lead. Hopefully my educated, wealthy neighbor comes to his senses. His wife is a tiny woman and I worry for her.

In poor neighborhoods pit bull puppies are free and available. In well to do neighborhoods full grown pit bulls are roaming the countryside.



It is obvious you don't know dogs. Walking on a leash is unnatural to every dog and must be trained to get used to it. Pulling on the lead does not mean the dog is going to hurt anyone. Dogs pull because we walk slower than them and they want to explore with their nose which is how they communicate with the world.

Btw. For your information there is no such breed as pit bull. Pit bull term is talking about five " bully" breeds.

PP here. I've owned many dogs and had many dogs through obedience training and leash training. My neighbor is a heavier male--I'm guessing he weighs 250 or 275 pounds. He had a tough time controlling the pit bull on a leash due to the pit bull's massive size. The dog was pulling towards me but not in a friendly way. I would definitely consider carrying bear spray now when out on my fitness walks. I've never felt the need before.

[Anonymous]

Never trust a person who has a pit-bull as a pet- you have to have deep seeded issues to willingly take on that liability. No level headed person would think it is okay to have a pity bill in the same home as young children.

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Anonymous wrote:Those of you supporting a pit bull “ban” are not only unrealistic - you are classist. You know what I support? A breeder ban. We don’t need ANY more dogs voluntarily brought into existence, either pit bull or designer.

Lol. How exactly? Just because you disagree doesn’t make it classist (or racist)? And even if demographics of owners more likely to be “disadvantaged” doesn’t mean they should be permitted to own a dangerous animal. These dogs should not be allowed in homes w kids or densely populated area.

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The father should be torn apart by a pack of dogs. That would be justice.

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Anonymous wrote:Never trust a person who has a pit-bull as a pet- you have to have deep seeded issues to willingly take on that liability. No level headed person would think it is okay to have a pity bill in the same home as young children.

Well, I never trust a person who judges a whole breed of dogs based on the actions of a few that may or not be a pit bull. Seeing as pit bull is not a breed like golden retriever we are not on the same page as to what is or not is one.

If there are millions of " pit bulls" and to you they are all dangerous than why is there more attacks by them? The fact that there are so few is the reason it gets attention

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Anonymous wrote:^^ Also vet offices should charge outrageous hazard fees for dealing with the dogs. We need to make pit bull ownership absolute misery.

Vets are half the problem. Many of them push the lie that these are just normal dogs, nothing bad about them.

They are normal dogs. What is your definition of normal?

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Anonymous wrote:The father should be torn apart by a pack of dogs. That would be justice.

That’s not sane, PP.

Goodness.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Never trust a person who has a pit-bull as a pet- you have to have deep seeded issues to willingly take on that liability. No level headed person would think it is okay to have a pity bill in the same home as young children.

Well, I never trust a person who judges a whole breed of dogs based on the actions of a few that may or not be a pit bull. Seeing as pit bull is not a breed like golden retriever we are not on the same page as to what is or not is one.

If there are millions of " pit bulls" and to you they are all dangerous than why is there more attacks by them? The fact that there are so few is the reason it gets attention

No. The fact that the majority of fatal dog bites are pitbull bites are why they get attention. Even if the risk of a dog bite is low, the risk of a terrible dog bite is much higher if a pitbull is involved. It’s just a function of how and why they are bred. Kids are also pretty unpredictable, and they shouldn’t be around dogs like that.

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Was there a 12 page thread when a New Orleans toddler was killed by a family dog this past July? The truth is you pearl clutchers are triggered by the picture of that family.

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Anonymous wrote:Was there a 12 page thread when a New Orleans toddler was killed by a family dog this past July? The truth is you pearl clutchers are triggered by the picture of that family.

There have been a ton of posts about pit bulls over these years mauling children of all races. I remember the one about the little Muslim boy in NJ whose family had only recently bought a home in the US and the neighbors dogs dug under the fence and killed the little boy while he played in the yard with his mom. I think most people are pretty upset when this happens to any child. This one was two very young kids, so quite shocking.

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Dad should have to look at the pictures of the scene weekly for the remainer of his life. I imagine Mom will have scars for the rest of her life along with the images of the day and the memories of the screams.

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While there are only 45 deaths a year, there are 30,000 people requiring reconstructive surgery due to dog bites, and another 350,000 who went to the ED needing medical care post bite. Those people can also be physically and psychologically impacted. There are 4.5 million dog bites per year.

Pit bulls do more damage because they go for the face and eyes, they bit and attack multiple places on the body, and they create more complex wounds. They are responsible for about 65% of all injuries.

While dying is the worst outcome, losing part of your face and surviving is still pretty bad.

The breed is the issue. Across settings, pit bulls by far do the most harm. A ban on pit bulls would end 65% of the injuries and deaths.