What is up with the vegan hate

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Anonymous wrote:I am a vegetarian, not vegan. It's very very hard to be a vegan and it's impossible to socialize out of the house without a lot of work. But, no, it isn't an eating disorder. I would be vegan if I could make it work. Meanwhile, I get pushback from being a vegetarian. Really? Frankly, I do think it should be the default diet.
Yes, I get enough protein, iron, B12. The same questions all the time.

What do you mean? Of course, it is an eating disorder. There is no reason to eat vegan and, in fact, eating vegan comes with significant health concerns. That level of food control smacks of mental health problems.

There are many reasons to eat vegan, and many unhealthy reasons to be an animal eater, all well documented. You are just acculturated to a western diet and diets are very personal and it's hard to accept change. In no way is a vegan or vegetarian diet an eating disorder, and all you are doing is justifying your eating choices which involve very detrimental health and environmental issues, so you are absolutely wrong. There are massive studies all supporting plant based diets which have been confirmed and reconfirmed for years. All of my doctors are either vegetarian or vegan, actually. Are they all mentally ill? This isn't new news, either. You have been quite manipulated by the first world industrial agriculture machine and years of a poor diet in society- all harbingers of health problems. No, we don't have mental health issues at all. We do have to deal with a plethora of idiots who are misinformed, and, yes, what a giant pain which can be depressing. So much denial and then people like you call us mentally ill. Read a book.

+1. The person calling Veganism an eating disorder is woefully ignorant of life outside the meat and potatoes culture of the USA. Probably the most common meal in the world is rice and beans/lentils, particularly in poorer populations.

And you don’t think impoverished people who cannot afford or don’t have access to meat, cheese, fish, dairy would hear about someone rich living in the land of plenty choosing NEVER to eat these things is crazy?

Plenty of people think it’s gross to eat animal products. Sorry your mind is so narrow. Maybe it’s too much red meat affecting your brain cells.

NP

I’m with the earlier PP. The vast majority of humans now and throughout time have enjoyed meat. The existence of a handful of vegetarian cultures doesn’t negate that. You might have a personal neurosis with meat, but most people don’t. Latin American carne asada, Middle Eastern lamb, German sausages, Japanese braised pork belly, Chinese steamed fish, Argentinian steak with chimichurri-it’s all universally enjoyed. Sorry that grinds your gears!

Japan was vegetarian until about 150 years ago. The government decided Japanese people should start eating meat. FYI.

You’re claiming that Japanese people didn’t eat fish until 150 years ago? That’s a rather outlandish claim.

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Anonymous wrote:I am a vegetarian, not vegan. It's very very hard to be a vegan and it's impossible to socialize out of the house without a lot of work. But, no, it isn't an eating disorder. I would be vegan if I could make it work. Meanwhile, I get pushback from being a vegetarian. Really? Frankly, I do think it should be the default diet.
Yes, I get enough protein, iron, B12. The same questions all the time.

What do you mean? Of course, it is an eating disorder. There is no reason to eat vegan and, in fact, eating vegan comes with significant health concerns. That level of food control smacks of mental health problems.

There are many reasons to eat vegan, and many unhealthy reasons to be an animal eater, all well documented. You are just acculturated to a western diet and diets are very personal and it's hard to accept change. In no way is a vegan or vegetarian diet an eating disorder, and all you are doing is justifying your eating choices which involve very detrimental health and environmental issues, so you are absolutely wrong. There are massive studies all supporting plant based diets which have been confirmed and reconfirmed for years. All of my doctors are either vegetarian or vegan, actually. Are they all mentally ill? This isn't new news, either. You have been quite manipulated by the first world industrial agriculture machine and years of a poor diet in society- all harbingers of health problems. No, we don't have mental health issues at all. We do have to deal with a plethora of idiots who are misinformed, and, yes, what a giant pain which can be depressing. So much denial and then people like you call us mentally ill. Read a book.

+1. The person calling Veganism an eating disorder is woefully ignorant of life outside the meat and potatoes culture of the USA. Probably the most common meal in the world is rice and beans/lentils, particularly in poorer populations.

And you don’t think impoverished people who cannot afford or don’t have access to meat, cheese, fish, dairy would hear about someone rich living in the land of plenty choosing NEVER to eat these things is crazy?

Plenty of people think it’s gross to eat animal products. Sorry your mind is so narrow. Maybe it’s too much red meat affecting your brain cells.

NP

I’m with the earlier PP. The vast majority of humans now and throughout time have enjoyed meat. The existence of a handful of vegetarian cultures doesn’t negate that. You might have a personal neurosis with meat, but most people don’t. Latin American carne asada, Middle Eastern lamb, German sausages, Japanese braised pork belly, Chinese steamed fish, Argentinian steak with chimichurri-it’s all universally enjoyed. Sorry that grinds your gears!

Blue Zone people have very low meat content diets. Yup- it is there is print, buddy. Please, learn to research before commenting. Your comments are just embarrassing at this point.

NP. You are making the point. Low meat content is not NO meat content, even in the Blue Zone. You have just embarrassed yourself with your own comment.

No, it is the same concept. These diets aren't ethically chosen as in those who are vegan, but culturally and medically chosen. And, it's an aggregate of many cultures, some of which are entirely meat free. The similar thread in all- lack of meat as a primary protein.

So, while we are on the topic of research, you have displayed a continuous lack of basic understanding or ability to understand research.

Why so pissed off and rude? If you want to eat meat..do it. But, clearly you have a personal issue that has nothing to do with what others eat. Grow up.

DP. You got shown up. Low meat isn’t vegan, and it isn’t even vegetarian, and now you’re accusing people of having personal issues.

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Anonymous wrote:I am a vegetarian, not vegan. It's very very hard to be a vegan and it's impossible to socialize out of the house without a lot of work. But, no, it isn't an eating disorder. I would be vegan if I could make it work. Meanwhile, I get pushback from being a vegetarian. Really? Frankly, I do think it should be the default diet.
Yes, I get enough protein, iron, B12. The same questions all the time.

What do you mean? Of course, it is an eating disorder. There is no reason to eat vegan and, in fact, eating vegan comes with significant health concerns. That level of food control smacks of mental health problems.

There are many reasons to eat vegan, and many unhealthy reasons to be an animal eater, all well documented. You are just acculturated to a western diet and diets are very personal and it's hard to accept change. In no way is a vegan or vegetarian diet an eating disorder, and all you are doing is justifying your eating choices which involve very detrimental health and environmental issues, so you are absolutely wrong. There are massive studies all supporting plant based diets which have been confirmed and reconfirmed for years. All of my doctors are either vegetarian or vegan, actually. Are they all mentally ill? This isn't new news, either. You have been quite manipulated by the first world industrial agriculture machine and years of a poor diet in society- all harbingers of health problems. No, we don't have mental health issues at all. We do have to deal with a plethora of idiots who are misinformed, and, yes, what a giant pain which can be depressing. So much denial and then people like you call us mentally ill. Read a book.

+1. The person calling Veganism an eating disorder is woefully ignorant of life outside the meat and potatoes culture of the USA. Probably the most common meal in the world is rice and beans/lentils, particularly in poorer populations.

And you don’t think impoverished people who cannot afford or don’t have access to meat, cheese, fish, dairy would hear about someone rich living in the land of plenty choosing NEVER to eat these things is crazy?

Plenty of people think it’s gross to eat animal products. Sorry your mind is so narrow. Maybe it’s too much red meat affecting your brain cells.

NP

I’m with the earlier PP. The vast majority of humans now and throughout time have enjoyed meat. The existence of a handful of vegetarian cultures doesn’t negate that. You might have a personal neurosis with meat, but most people don’t. Latin American carne asada, Middle Eastern lamb, German sausages, Japanese braised pork belly, Chinese steamed fish, Argentinian steak with chimichurri-it’s all universally enjoyed. Sorry that grinds your gears!

Japan was vegetarian until about 150 years ago. The government decided Japanese people should start eating meat. FYI.

You’re claiming that Japanese people didn’t eat fish until 150 years ago? That’s a rather outlandish claim.

https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/japan-meat-ban

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Anonymous wrote:I am a vegetarian, not vegan. It's very very hard to be a vegan and it's impossible to socialize out of the house without a lot of work. But, no, it isn't an eating disorder. I would be vegan if I could make it work. Meanwhile, I get pushback from being a vegetarian. Really? Frankly, I do think it should be the default diet.
Yes, I get enough protein, iron, B12. The same questions all the time.

What do you mean? Of course, it is an eating disorder. There is no reason to eat vegan and, in fact, eating vegan comes with significant health concerns. That level of food control smacks of mental health problems.

There are many reasons to eat vegan, and many unhealthy reasons to be an animal eater, all well documented. You are just acculturated to a western diet and diets are very personal and it's hard to accept change. In no way is a vegan or vegetarian diet an eating disorder, and all you are doing is justifying your eating choices which involve very detrimental health and environmental issues, so you are absolutely wrong. There are massive studies all supporting plant based diets which have been confirmed and reconfirmed for years. All of my doctors are either vegetarian or vegan, actually. Are they all mentally ill? This isn't new news, either. You have been quite manipulated by the first world industrial agriculture machine and years of a poor diet in society- all harbingers of health problems. No, we don't have mental health issues at all. We do have to deal with a plethora of idiots who are misinformed, and, yes, what a giant pain which can be depressing. So much denial and then people like you call us mentally ill. Read a book.

+1. The person calling Veganism an eating disorder is woefully ignorant of life outside the meat and potatoes culture of the USA. Probably the most common meal in the world is rice and beans/lentils, particularly in poorer populations.

And you don’t think impoverished people who cannot afford or don’t have access to meat, cheese, fish, dairy would hear about someone rich living in the land of plenty choosing NEVER to eat these things is crazy?

It is quite a paternalistic attitude to assume that those people want what you do.

There are very few countries that have not massively increased their meat intake as their income/development allowed. I would say that referring to India as the rest of the world is just as provincial.

They have indeed increased their meat intake. And in doing so, they’ve begun to import many of America’s first world health problems.

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I didn’t read all the posts, I might later but I already know my opinion which is this:

Yes, animal products are yummy and can make veggies tasty when prepared together. But olive oil is also fantastically yummy and any vegetable can be prepared very testily with it and maybe herbs and spices too. Vegan dishes are easy to prepare and any chef with basic skills can make them.

Any good hostess should be gracious enough to learn guest dietary requirements and offer dishes that can be enjoyed by a vegan or gf or lactose intolerant guest. The whole point of hosting guests is to show agape for one’s loved ones by catering to their needs. For Pete’s sake it is a cornerstone of nearly every faith tradition in human history.

The self righteous rejection of ‘entitled’ vegans is, I wholeheartedly believe - and I’m saying this because it reflects my own struggle - tied to the guilt we all feel at some level knowing that much of the meat and dairy we consume as omnivores is, in our times, a product of animal agriculture on an industrial scale that is undeniably cruel to animals. If we didn’t have some amount of this guilt - however repressed and unacknowledged, we wouldn’t have the resentment we have toward vegans. The vast majority of vegans are primarily motivated by a desire to reduce animal suffering, and only secondarily because medicine has established a clear link between avoidance or minimization of animal products in the diet and greater health in large populations of people.

Omnivores choose to overlook the cruelty. And we know on some level because of this we are less compassionate than our vegan friends. We maybe wish we had the willpower to do it ourselves. We resent that we don’t. We project that resentment on our vegan friends.

Ladies, learn to make a few terrific vegan dishes and make sure to have them prepared when a vegan comes to call. It’s what Jesus would do, for Pete’s sake!

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Anonymous wrote:I am a vegetarian, not vegan. It's very very hard to be a vegan and it's impossible to socialize out of the house without a lot of work. But, no, it isn't an eating disorder. I would be vegan if I could make it work. Meanwhile, I get pushback from being a vegetarian. Really? Frankly, I do think it should be the default diet.
Yes, I get enough protein, iron, B12. The same questions all the time.

What do you mean? Of course, it is an eating disorder. There is no reason to eat vegan and, in fact, eating vegan comes with significant health concerns. That level of food control smacks of mental health problems.

There are many reasons to eat vegan, and many unhealthy reasons to be an animal eater, all well documented. You are just acculturated to a western diet and diets are very personal and it's hard to accept change. In no way is a vegan or vegetarian diet an eating disorder, and all you are doing is justifying your eating choices which involve very detrimental health and environmental issues, so you are absolutely wrong. There are massive studies all supporting plant based diets which have been confirmed and reconfirmed for years. All of my doctors are either vegetarian or vegan, actually. Are they all mentally ill? This isn't new news, either. You have been quite manipulated by the first world industrial agriculture machine and years of a poor diet in society- all harbingers of health problems. No, we don't have mental health issues at all. We do have to deal with a plethora of idiots who are misinformed, and, yes, what a giant pain which can be depressing. So much denial and then people like you call us mentally ill. Read a book.

+1. The person calling Veganism an eating disorder is woefully ignorant of life outside the meat and potatoes culture of the USA. Probably the most common meal in the world is rice and beans/lentils, particularly in poorer populations.

And you don’t think impoverished people who cannot afford or don’t have access to meat, cheese, fish, dairy would hear about someone rich living in the land of plenty choosing NEVER to eat these things is crazy?

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Do you really think people barely surviving on grains and gruel in the third world would prefer to eat that over a roasted goat or chicken curry? These people aren’t all collectively making conscious dietary decisions to avoid meat. They just don’t have the ability to skip on over to Whole Foods, sneer at the organic meat section, and buy expensive, processed meat substitutes or imported quinoa. It is the height of privilege to be a vegan in the West in the 21st century.

Um, yes. Try going to a continent called Asia. There’s a lot of people there. You just might open your mind a bit.

PP again

Um, I have been to Asia, many times. And I lived on a Pacific island about 3.5 hours from Japan. Fish, pork, beef, chicken, etc featured in all cuisines, in addition to delicious vegetables and yummy starches. Tell me about your trips to Asia.

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Anonymous wrote:I am a vegetarian, not vegan. It's very very hard to be a vegan and it's impossible to socialize out of the house without a lot of work. But, no, it isn't an eating disorder. I would be vegan if I could make it work. Meanwhile, I get pushback from being a vegetarian. Really? Frankly, I do think it should be the default diet.
Yes, I get enough protein, iron, B12. The same questions all the time.

What do you mean? Of course, it is an eating disorder. There is no reason to eat vegan and, in fact, eating vegan comes with significant health concerns. That level of food control smacks of mental health problems.

There are many reasons to eat vegan, and many unhealthy reasons to be an animal eater, all well documented. You are just acculturated to a western diet and diets are very personal and it's hard to accept change. In no way is a vegan or vegetarian diet an eating disorder, and all you are doing is justifying your eating choices which involve very detrimental health and environmental issues, so you are absolutely wrong. There are massive studies all supporting plant based diets which have been confirmed and reconfirmed for years. All of my doctors are either vegetarian or vegan, actually. Are they all mentally ill? This isn't new news, either. You have been quite manipulated by the first world industrial agriculture machine and years of a poor diet in society- all harbingers of health problems. No, we don't have mental health issues at all. We do have to deal with a plethora of idiots who are misinformed, and, yes, what a giant pain which can be depressing. So much denial and then people like you call us mentally ill. Read a book.

+1. The person calling Veganism an eating disorder is woefully ignorant of life outside the meat and potatoes culture of the USA. Probably the most common meal in the world is rice and beans/lentils, particularly in poorer populations.

And you don’t think impoverished people who cannot afford or don’t have access to meat, cheese, fish, dairy would hear about someone rich living in the land of plenty choosing NEVER to eat these things is crazy?

Plenty of people think it’s gross to eat animal products. Sorry your mind is so narrow. Maybe it’s too much red meat affecting your brain cells.

Congratulations for proving the point of the OP. Ladies and gentlemen, Exhibit A.

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Anonymous wrote:Hey troll, you've outted yourself many times here with your childish uneducated comments, always followed with the "that's insane" or "eating disorder" tags. You sound like a 7th grader and there's no reason to continue debating here with you. At this point, most people here have realized this and hopefully will stop.

Go away.

OP, hopefully you gor the requisite info you needed, but the thread needs to stop now. There's always the troll.

You are communicating with multiple people who think OP is ridiculous, not one “troll.” I know, reading is hard.

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Anonymous wrote:Hey troll, you've outted yourself many times here with your childish uneducated comments, always followed with the "that's insane" or "eating disorder" tags. You sound like a 7th grader and there's no reason to continue debating here with you. At this point, most people here have realized this and hopefully will stop.

Go away.

OP, hopefully you gor the requisite info you needed, but the thread needs to stop now. There's always the troll.

And who the hell do you think you are to proclaim “the thread needs to stop now?” Is your name Jeff? If you don’t like the conversation, leave it.

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Anonymous wrote:I am a vegetarian, not vegan. It's very very hard to be a vegan and it's impossible to socialize out of the house without a lot of work. But, no, it isn't an eating disorder. I would be vegan if I could make it work. Meanwhile, I get pushback from being a vegetarian. Really? Frankly, I do think it should be the default diet.
Yes, I get enough protein, iron, B12. The same questions all the time.

What do you mean? Of course, it is an eating disorder. There is no reason to eat vegan and, in fact, eating vegan comes with significant health concerns. That level of food control smacks of mental health problems.

There are many reasons to eat vegan, and many unhealthy reasons to be an animal eater, all well documented. You are just acculturated to a western diet and diets are very personal and it's hard to accept change. In no way is a vegan or vegetarian diet an eating disorder, and all you are doing is justifying your eating choices which involve very detrimental health and environmental issues, so you are absolutely wrong. There are massive studies all supporting plant based diets which have been confirmed and reconfirmed for years. All of my doctors are either vegetarian or vegan, actually. Are they all mentally ill? This isn't new news, either. You have been quite manipulated by the first world industrial agriculture machine and years of a poor diet in society- all harbingers of health problems. No, we don't have mental health issues at all. We do have to deal with a plethora of idiots who are misinformed, and, yes, what a giant pain which can be depressing. So much denial and then people like you call us mentally ill. Read a book.

+1. The person calling Veganism an eating disorder is woefully ignorant of life outside the meat and potatoes culture of the USA. Probably the most common meal in the world is rice and beans/lentils, particularly in poorer populations.

And you don’t think impoverished people who cannot afford or don’t have access to meat, cheese, fish, dairy would hear about someone rich living in the land of plenty choosing NEVER to eat these things is crazy?

Plenty of people think it’s gross to eat animal products. Sorry your mind is so narrow. Maybe it’s too much red meat affecting your brain cells.

NP

I’m with the earlier PP. The vast majority of humans now and throughout time have enjoyed meat. The existence of a handful of vegetarian cultures doesn’t negate that. You might have a personal neurosis with meat, but most people don’t. Latin American carne asada, Middle Eastern lamb, German sausages, Japanese braised pork belly, Chinese steamed fish, Argentinian steak with chimichurri-it’s all universally enjoyed. Sorry that grinds your gears!

Japan was vegetarian until about 150 years ago. The government decided Japanese people should start eating meat. FYI.

You’re claiming that Japanese people didn’t eat fish until 150 years ago? That’s a rather outlandish claim.

https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/japan-meat-ban

NP. Right. From that very link:

Birds were more acceptable as foodstuff than mammals, and dolphin and whale was frequently eaten, as they were considered fish.

That's, uh, not vegan.

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Anonymous wrote:I am a vegetarian, not vegan. It's very very hard to be a vegan and it's impossible to socialize out of the house without a lot of work. But, no, it isn't an eating disorder. I would be vegan if I could make it work. Meanwhile, I get pushback from being a vegetarian. Really? Frankly, I do think it should be the default diet.
Yes, I get enough protein, iron, B12. The same questions all the time.

What do you mean? Of course, it is an eating disorder. There is no reason to eat vegan and, in fact, eating vegan comes with significant health concerns. That level of food control smacks of mental health problems.

There are many reasons to eat vegan, and many unhealthy reasons to be an animal eater, all well documented. You are just acculturated to a western diet and diets are very personal and it's hard to accept change. In no way is a vegan or vegetarian diet an eating disorder, and all you are doing is justifying your eating choices which involve very detrimental health and environmental issues, so you are absolutely wrong. There are massive studies all supporting plant based diets which have been confirmed and reconfirmed for years. All of my doctors are either vegetarian or vegan, actually. Are they all mentally ill? This isn't new news, either. You have been quite manipulated by the first world industrial agriculture machine and years of a poor diet in society- all harbingers of health problems. No, we don't have mental health issues at all. We do have to deal with a plethora of idiots who are misinformed, and, yes, what a giant pain which can be depressing. So much denial and then people like you call us mentally ill. Read a book.

+1. The person calling Veganism an eating disorder is woefully ignorant of life outside the meat and potatoes culture of the USA. Probably the most common meal in the world is rice and beans/lentils, particularly in poorer populations.

And you don’t think impoverished people who cannot afford or don’t have access to meat, cheese, fish, dairy would hear about someone rich living in the land of plenty choosing NEVER to eat these things is crazy?

Plenty of people think it’s gross to eat animal products. Sorry your mind is so narrow. Maybe it’s too much red meat affecting your brain cells.

NP

I’m with the earlier PP. The vast majority of humans now and throughout time have enjoyed meat. The existence of a handful of vegetarian cultures doesn’t negate that. You might have a personal neurosis with meat, but most people don’t. Latin American carne asada, Middle Eastern lamb, German sausages, Japanese braised pork belly, Chinese steamed fish, Argentinian steak with chimichurri-it’s all universally enjoyed. Sorry that grinds your gears!

Japan was vegetarian until about 150 years ago. The government decided Japanese people should start eating meat. FYI.

You’re claiming that Japanese people didn’t eat fish until 150 years ago? That’s a rather outlandish claim.

https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/japan-meat-ban

NP. Right. From that very link:

Birds were more acceptable as foodstuff than mammals, and dolphin and whale was frequently eaten, as they were considered fish.

That's, uh, not vegan.

They were pescatarians, obviously. There is an ancient Kabuki play called "WHERE THE HELL IS OUR WAITER???" which is still performed to this day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I didn’t read all the posts, I might later but I already know my opinion which is this:

Yes, animal products are yummy and can make veggies tasty when prepared together. But olive oil is also fantastically yummy and any vegetable can be prepared very testily with it and maybe herbs and spices too. Vegan dishes are easy to prepare and any chef with basic skills can make them.

Any good hostess should be gracious enough to learn guest dietary requirements and offer dishes that can be enjoyed by a vegan or gf or lactose intolerant guest. The whole point of hosting guests is to show agape for one’s loved ones by catering to their needs. For Pete’s sake it is a cornerstone of nearly every faith tradition in human history.

The self righteous rejection of ‘entitled’ vegans is, I wholeheartedly believe - and I’m saying this because it reflects my own struggle - tied to the guilt we all feel at some level knowing that much of the meat and dairy we consume as omnivores is, in our times, a product of animal agriculture on an industrial scale that is undeniably cruel to animals. If we didn’t have some amount of this guilt - however repressed and unacknowledged, we wouldn’t have the resentment we have toward vegans. The vast majority of vegans are primarily motivated by a desire to reduce animal suffering, and only secondarily because medicine has established a clear link between avoidance or minimization of animal products in the diet and greater health in large populations of people.

Omnivores choose to overlook the cruelty. And we know on some level because of this we are less compassionate than our vegan friends. We maybe wish we had the willpower to do it ourselves. We resent that we don’t. We project that resentment on our vegan friends.

Ladies, learn to make a few terrific vegan dishes and make sure to have them prepared when a vegan comes to call. It’s what Jesus would do, for Pete’s sake!

DP. Interesting. You are not going to chummily exhort the men?

And Jesus fished and worked with fisherman. The Christian holy texts have an astonishing dearth of exhortations to be vegan.

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Anonymous wrote:I am a vegetarian, not vegan. It's very very hard to be a vegan and it's impossible to socialize out of the house without a lot of work. But, no, it isn't an eating disorder. I would be vegan if I could make it work. Meanwhile, I get pushback from being a vegetarian. Really? Frankly, I do think it should be the default diet.
Yes, I get enough protein, iron, B12. The same questions all the time.

What do you mean? Of course, it is an eating disorder. There is no reason to eat vegan and, in fact, eating vegan comes with significant health concerns. That level of food control smacks of mental health problems.

There are many reasons to eat vegan, and many unhealthy reasons to be an animal eater, all well documented. You are just acculturated to a western diet and diets are very personal and it's hard to accept change. In no way is a vegan or vegetarian diet an eating disorder, and all you are doing is justifying your eating choices which involve very detrimental health and environmental issues, so you are absolutely wrong. There are massive studies all supporting plant based diets which have been confirmed and reconfirmed for years. All of my doctors are either vegetarian or vegan, actually. Are they all mentally ill? This isn't new news, either. You have been quite manipulated by the first world industrial agriculture machine and years of a poor diet in society- all harbingers of health problems. No, we don't have mental health issues at all. We do have to deal with a plethora of idiots who are misinformed, and, yes, what a giant pain which can be depressing. So much denial and then people like you call us mentally ill. Read a book.

+1. The person calling Veganism an eating disorder is woefully ignorant of life outside the meat and potatoes culture of the USA. Probably the most common meal in the world is rice and beans/lentils, particularly in poorer populations.

And you don’t think impoverished people who cannot afford or don’t have access to meat, cheese, fish, dairy would hear about someone rich living in the land of plenty choosing NEVER to eat these things is crazy?

Plenty of people think it’s gross to eat animal products. Sorry your mind is so narrow. Maybe it’s too much red meat affecting your brain cells.

NP

I’m with the earlier PP. The vast majority of humans now and throughout time have enjoyed meat. The existence of a handful of vegetarian cultures doesn’t negate that. You might have a personal neurosis with meat, but most people don’t. Latin American carne asada, Middle Eastern lamb, German sausages, Japanese braised pork belly, Chinese steamed fish, Argentinian steak with chimichurri-it’s all universally enjoyed. Sorry that grinds your gears!

Japan was vegetarian until about 150 years ago. The government decided Japanese people should start eating meat. FYI.

You’re claiming that Japanese people didn’t eat fish until 150 years ago? That’s a rather outlandish claim.

https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/japan-meat-ban

NP. Right. From that very link:

Birds were more acceptable as foodstuff than mammals, and dolphin and whale was frequently eaten, as they were considered fish.

That's, uh, not vegan.

I didn't say vegan.

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Anonymous wrote:I am a vegetarian, not vegan. It's very very hard to be a vegan and it's impossible to socialize out of the house without a lot of work. But, no, it isn't an eating disorder. I would be vegan if I could make it work. Meanwhile, I get pushback from being a vegetarian. Really? Frankly, I do think it should be the default diet.
Yes, I get enough protein, iron, B12. The same questions all the time.

What do you mean? Of course, it is an eating disorder. There is no reason to eat vegan and, in fact, eating vegan comes with significant health concerns. That level of food control smacks of mental health problems.

There are many reasons to eat vegan, and many unhealthy reasons to be an animal eater, all well documented. You are just acculturated to a western diet and diets are very personal and it's hard to accept change. In no way is a vegan or vegetarian diet an eating disorder, and all you are doing is justifying your eating choices which involve very detrimental health and environmental issues, so you are absolutely wrong. There are massive studies all supporting plant based diets which have been confirmed and reconfirmed for years. All of my doctors are either vegetarian or vegan, actually. Are they all mentally ill? This isn't new news, either. You have been quite manipulated by the first world industrial agriculture machine and years of a poor diet in society- all harbingers of health problems. No, we don't have mental health issues at all. We do have to deal with a plethora of idiots who are misinformed, and, yes, what a giant pain which can be depressing. So much denial and then people like you call us mentally ill. Read a book.

+1. The person calling Veganism an eating disorder is woefully ignorant of life outside the meat and potatoes culture of the USA. Probably the most common meal in the world is rice and beans/lentils, particularly in poorer populations.

And you don’t think impoverished people who cannot afford or don’t have access to meat, cheese, fish, dairy would hear about someone rich living in the land of plenty choosing NEVER to eat these things is crazy?

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Do you really think people barely surviving on grains and gruel in the third world would prefer to eat that over a roasted goat or chicken curry? These people aren’t all collectively making conscious dietary decisions to avoid meat. They just don’t have the ability to skip on over to Whole Foods, sneer at the organic meat section, and buy expensive, processed meat substitutes or imported quinoa. It is the height of privilege to be a vegan in the West in the 21st century.

Um, yes. Try going to a continent called Asia. There’s a lot of people there. You just might open your mind a bit.

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Um, I have been to Asia, many times. And I lived on a Pacific island about 3.5 hours from Japan. Fish, pork, beef, chicken, etc featured in all cuisines, in addition to delicious vegetables and yummy starches. Tell me about your trips to Asia.

Um, try other countries like China and India rather than Tonga. There are even places like the Middle East where pork isn’t consumed.

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Anonymous wrote:I didn’t read all the posts, I might later but I already know my opinion which is this:

Yes, animal products are yummy and can make veggies tasty when prepared together. But olive oil is also fantastically yummy and any vegetable can be prepared very testily with it and maybe herbs and spices too. Vegan dishes are easy to prepare and any chef with basic skills can make them.

Any good hostess should be gracious enough to learn guest dietary requirements and offer dishes that can be enjoyed by a vegan or gf or lactose intolerant guest. The whole point of hosting guests is to show agape for one’s loved ones by catering to their needs. For Pete’s sake it is a cornerstone of nearly every faith tradition in human history.

The self righteous rejection of ‘entitled’ vegans is, I wholeheartedly believe - and I’m saying this because it reflects my own struggle - tied to the guilt we all feel at some level knowing that much of the meat and dairy we consume as omnivores is, in our times, a product of animal agriculture on an industrial scale that is undeniably cruel to animals. If we didn’t have some amount of this guilt - however repressed and unacknowledged, we wouldn’t have the resentment we have toward vegans. The vast majority of vegans are primarily motivated by a desire to reduce animal suffering, and only secondarily because medicine has established a clear link between avoidance or minimization of animal products in the diet and greater health in large populations of people.

Omnivores choose to overlook the cruelty. And we know on some level because of this we are less compassionate than our vegan friends. We maybe wish we had the willpower to do it ourselves. We resent that we don’t. We project that resentment on our vegan friends.

Ladies, learn to make a few terrific vegan dishes and make sure to have them prepared when a vegan comes to call. It’s what Jesus would do, for Pete’s sake!

+1. The same people who are horrified at the thought of aborting a fetus at 6 weeks eat the flesh of an animals with no qualms and get indignant and nasty when people point out that principles like “thou shalt not kill” and not causing pain applies to all living creatures.