Gun Control - Why isn't more done

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Anonymous wrote:Until we summon the national will to outlaw guns and put everyone who won’t comply in prison for the rest of their lives thus removing them from society, nothing will change. I don’t care if we have to put 20 million people in prison for life if that’s what it takes, because that’s the only thing that will stop it.

what will that stop? That will just literally straight up cause a civil war.

Last time I checked there were 330,000,000 people in America. I’m pretty sure 310,000,000 people would be able to handle 20,000,000 gun nutters.

there are about 80-100 million gun owners, about half of which own semi-auto rifles. so that is 40-50 million. The entire police + military (combat arm) of the country is just about 2 million. Tell me how this is suppose to go again?

I’m not a policy expert, but I would suggest using the model that has worked in numerous conflict zones in the developing world:

First, the government establishes a date, by which all arms in civilian hands must be turned in. This can be done at any variety of locations like police stations or areas set up specifically as collection sites. At the beginning of the covid pandemic there were drive through vaccination centers. The same could be offered for guns.

After that date passes, all arms are prohibited. The second step is large bounties or rewards are offered for turning in people who still have guns, or have hidden them in caches. The goal is to greatly incentivize people to turn gun criminals in, either through cash rewards or tax incentives. This will achieve three goals: 1) it will get recalcitrant gun hoarders arrested and removed from society via the bounty incentive, 2) it will make those still keeping guns go into hiding/dispose of their guns, 3) will drastically reduce the number of guns still remaining in the hands of the public.

Anyone caught with a gun after the deadline goes to prison, for life. No exceptions. No family visits, no parole, no release. They are literally gone from the world. I realize there would have to be a considerable up-front cost for constructing enough prisons to house all these people, but I really don’t think we’d be talking about more than 5-10 million people at most. Yes, there might be 90,000,000 people who own guns, but the vast majority would comply in the face of such prospects as the penalty would provide for. Very few people would be willing to spend the rest of their lives in prison and never again see their families over keeping a gun. And knowing that their neighbors, family or friends would turn them in for thousands of dollars in rewards would ensure that they’d know they wouldn’t be able to evade detection. They’d have no choice at all but to comply.

This has worked before, and there is absolutely no reason to doubt that it would work here as well.

Clearly not.

Good luck with this plan. The first step would be getting enough states onboard to amend the Constitution to get rid of the 2nd Amendment. I won't hold my breath.

Oh boy, that’s a wet dream for me. To see a wacko coming to my home to take away anything so I can blast their cranium with my 12 gauge shotty

[Anonymous]

Well, they grabbed up all the guns in OZ. Now look at what they're doing to their citizens over Covid.

No thanks. I'll keep my long rifles and pistols.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Well, they grabbed up all the guns in OZ. Now look at what they're doing to their citizens over Covid.

No thanks. I'll keep my long rifles and pistols.

MAGA!!!!!!!! More mass shootings!!!! MAGA!!!!!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Well, they grabbed up all the guns in OZ. Now look at what they're doing to their citizens over Covid.

No thanks. I'll keep my long rifles and pistols.

I kind of agree with you.

Also, you need to keep in mind that Australia is extremely strong on law and order. Their border is 100% secure. Stop and frisk is fine. Stopping a car that looks “suspicious” to get IDs and question everyone is fine. And they lock up criminals, no just getting out of jail because of “bail reform” or “social justice”. So there just isn’t the demand from normal citizens to have guns to protect themselves the way they have here.

[Anonymous]

Their border is 100% secure.

It's an island, genius.

[Anonymous]

So there just isn’t the demand from normal citizens to have guns to protect themselves the way they have here.

And there isn't an NRA or entrenched firearms industry lobbying and spending money to keep things the way they are.

[Anonymous]

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So there just isn’t the demand from normal citizens to have guns to protect themselves the way they have here.

And there isn't an NRA or entrenched firearms industry lobbying and spending money to keep things the way they are.

Please the nra doesn’t have that much money, compared to what Bloomberg spends.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Until we summon the national will to outlaw guns and put everyone who won’t comply in prison for the rest of their lives thus removing them from society, nothing will change. I don’t care if we have to put 20 million people in prison for life if that’s what it takes, because that’s the only thing that will stop it.

what will that stop? That will just literally straight up cause a civil war.

Last time I checked there were 330,000,000 people in America. I’m pretty sure 310,000,000 people would be able to handle 20,000,000 gun nutters.

there are about 80-100 million gun owners, about half of which own semi-auto rifles. so that is 40-50 million. The entire police + military (combat arm) of the country is just about 2 million. Tell me how this is suppose to go again?

I’m not a policy expert, but I would suggest using the model that has worked in numerous conflict zones in the developing world:

First, the government establishes a date, by which all arms in civilian hands must be turned in. This can be done at any variety of locations like police stations or areas set up specifically as collection sites. At the beginning of the covid pandemic there were drive through vaccination centers. The same could be offered for guns.

After that date passes, all arms are prohibited. The second step is large bounties or rewards are offered for turning in people who still have guns, or have hidden them in caches. The goal is to greatly incentivize people to turn gun criminals in, either through cash rewards or tax incentives. This will achieve three goals: 1) it will get recalcitrant gun hoarders arrested and removed from society via the bounty incentive, 2) it will make those still keeping guns go into hiding/dispose of their guns, 3) will drastically reduce the number of guns still remaining in the hands of the public.

Anyone caught with a gun after the deadline goes to prison, for life. No exceptions. No family visits, no parole, no release. They are literally gone from the world. I realize there would have to be a considerable up-front cost for constructing enough prisons to house all these people, but I really don’t think we’d be talking about more than 5-10 million people at most. Yes, there might be 90,000,000 people who own guns, but the vast majority would comply in the face of such prospects as the penalty would provide for. Very few people would be willing to spend the rest of their lives in prison and never again see their families over keeping a gun. And knowing that their neighbors, family or friends would turn them in for thousands of dollars in rewards would ensure that they’d know they wouldn’t be able to evade detection. They’d have no choice at all but to comply.

This has worked before, and there is absolutely no reason to doubt that it would work here as well.

How to create Afghanistan in 10 easy steps

Im genuinely confused by this sort of flippant remark. Can you elaborate? Because I cannot understand what you’re implying.

NP.

Not sure either.

But the fanatic gun control poster assumes it will be so easy for police or the military to just take away every citizens guns.

Even ignoring the US Constitution, posse commitatus act, etc.,

- how’d our military do with simply disarming the Afghans?

I think I’m probably the “fanatic gun safety poster” you’re speaking of.

Yes, that’s exactly what I expect the police to do. Constitution aside, yes. Some things are too important to restrained by a two century old document penned by slave owners who didn’t want to pay their fair share of taxes. Stop getting all hung up on the constitution.

And going around and rounding up guns in my scenario is exactly what I expect the police to do. Round up the guns, arrest the owners, hand them over to the court system for prosecution and sentencing commensurate with the law, and if necessary, use lethal force on those who try to resist.

That’s what they’re being paid to do. I expect them to do their jobs. If they won’t, fire them and hire someone who will. Or we should seek out the assistance of the international community to help with seizing arms from civilians if our own law enforcement is unwilling.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Until we summon the national will to outlaw guns and put everyone who won’t comply in prison for the rest of their lives thus removing them from society, nothing will change. I don’t care if we have to put 20 million people in prison for life if that’s what it takes, because that’s the only thing that will stop it.

what will that stop? That will just literally straight up cause a civil war.

Last time I checked there were 330,000,000 people in America. I’m pretty sure 310,000,000 people would be able to handle 20,000,000 gun nutters.

there are about 80-100 million gun owners, about half of which own semi-auto rifles. so that is 40-50 million. The entire police + military (combat arm) of the country is just about 2 million. Tell me how this is suppose to go again?

I’m not a policy expert, but I would suggest using the model that has worked in numerous conflict zones in the developing world:

First, the government establishes a date, by which all arms in civilian hands must be turned in. This can be done at any variety of locations like police stations or areas set up specifically as collection sites. At the beginning of the covid pandemic there were drive through vaccination centers. The same could be offered for guns.

After that date passes, all arms are prohibited. The second step is large bounties or rewards are offered for turning in people who still have guns, or have hidden them in caches. The goal is to greatly incentivize people to turn gun criminals in, either through cash rewards or tax incentives. This will achieve three goals: 1) it will get recalcitrant gun hoarders arrested and removed from society via the bounty incentive, 2) it will make those still keeping guns go into hiding/dispose of their guns, 3) will drastically reduce the number of guns still remaining in the hands of the public.

Anyone caught with a gun after the deadline goes to prison, for life. No exceptions. No family visits, no parole, no release. They are literally gone from the world. I realize there would have to be a considerable up-front cost for constructing enough prisons to house all these people, but I really don’t think we’d be talking about more than 5-10 million people at most. Yes, there might be 90,000,000 people who own guns, but the vast majority would comply in the face of such prospects as the penalty would provide for. Very few people would be willing to spend the rest of their lives in prison and never again see their families over keeping a gun. And knowing that their neighbors, family or friends would turn them in for thousands of dollars in rewards would ensure that they’d know they wouldn’t be able to evade detection. They’d have no choice at all but to comply.

This has worked before, and there is absolutely no reason to doubt that it would work here as well.

How to create Afghanistan in 10 easy steps

Im genuinely confused by this sort of flippant remark. Can you elaborate? Because I cannot understand what you’re implying.

NP.

Not sure either.

But the fanatic gun control poster assumes it will be so easy for police or the military to just take away every citizens guns.

Even ignoring the US Constitution, posse commitatus act, etc.,

- how’d our military do with simply disarming the Afghans?

I think I’m probably the “fanatic gun safety poster” you’re speaking of.

Yes, that’s exactly what I expect the police to do. Constitution aside, yes. Some things are too important to restrained by a two century old document penned by slave owners who didn’t want to pay their fair share of taxes. Stop getting all hung up on the constitution.

And going around and rounding up guns in my scenario is exactly what I expect the police to do. Round up the guns, arrest the owners, hand them over to the court system for prosecution and sentencing commensurate with the law, and if necessary, use lethal force on those who try to resist.

That’s what they’re being paid to do. I expect them to do their jobs. If they won’t, fire them and hire someone who will. Or we should seek out the assistance of the international community to help with seizing arms from civilians if our own law enforcement is unwilling.

You’re really just asking for civil war. Be careful what you wish for.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Until we summon the national will to outlaw guns and put everyone who won’t comply in prison for the rest of their lives thus removing them from society, nothing will change. I don’t care if we have to put 20 million people in prison for life if that’s what it takes, because that’s the only thing that will stop it.

what will that stop? That will just literally straight up cause a civil war.

Last time I checked there were 330,000,000 people in America. I’m pretty sure 310,000,000 people would be able to handle 20,000,000 gun nutters.

there are about 80-100 million gun owners, about half of which own semi-auto rifles. so that is 40-50 million. The entire police + military (combat arm) of the country is just about 2 million. Tell me how this is suppose to go again?

I’m not a policy expert, but I would suggest using the model that has worked in numerous conflict zones in the developing world:

First, the government establishes a date, by which all arms in civilian hands must be turned in. This can be done at any variety of locations like police stations or areas set up specifically as collection sites. At the beginning of the covid pandemic there were drive through vaccination centers. The same could be offered for guns.

After that date passes, all arms are prohibited. The second step is large bounties or rewards are offered for turning in people who still have guns, or have hidden them in caches. The goal is to greatly incentivize people to turn gun criminals in, either through cash rewards or tax incentives. This will achieve three goals: 1) it will get recalcitrant gun hoarders arrested and removed from society via the bounty incentive, 2) it will make those still keeping guns go into hiding/dispose of their guns, 3) will drastically reduce the number of guns still remaining in the hands of the public.

Anyone caught with a gun after the deadline goes to prison, for life. No exceptions. No family visits, no parole, no release. They are literally gone from the world. I realize there would have to be a considerable up-front cost for constructing enough prisons to house all these people, but I really don’t think we’d be talking about more than 5-10 million people at most. Yes, there might be 90,000,000 people who own guns, but the vast majority would comply in the face of such prospects as the penalty would provide for. Very few people would be willing to spend the rest of their lives in prison and never again see their families over keeping a gun. And knowing that their neighbors, family or friends would turn them in for thousands of dollars in rewards would ensure that they’d know they wouldn’t be able to evade detection. They’d have no choice at all but to comply.

This has worked before, and there is absolutely no reason to doubt that it would work here as well.

How to create Afghanistan in 10 easy steps

Im genuinely confused by this sort of flippant remark. Can you elaborate? Because I cannot understand what you’re implying.

NP.

Not sure either.

But the fanatic gun control poster assumes it will be so easy for police or the military to just take away every citizens guns.

Even ignoring the US Constitution, posse commitatus act, etc.,

- how’d our military do with simply disarming the Afghans?

I think I’m probably the “fanatic gun safety poster” you’re speaking of.

Yes, that’s exactly what I expect the police to do. Constitution aside, yes. Some things are too important to restrained by a two century old document penned by slave owners who didn’t want to pay their fair share of taxes. Stop getting all hung up on the constitution.

And going around and rounding up guns in my scenario is exactly what I expect the police to do. Round up the guns, arrest the owners, hand them over to the court system for prosecution and sentencing commensurate with the law, and if necessary, use lethal force on those who try to resist.

That’s what they’re being paid to do. I expect them to do their jobs. If they won’t, fire them and hire someone who will. Or we should seek out the assistance of the international community to help with seizing arms from civilians if our own law enforcement is unwilling.

nice trolling there

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Until we summon the national will to outlaw guns and put everyone who won’t comply in prison for the rest of their lives thus removing them from society, nothing will change. I don’t care if we have to put 20 million people in prison for life if that’s what it takes, because that’s the only thing that will stop it.

what will that stop? That will just literally straight up cause a civil war.

Last time I checked there were 330,000,000 people in America. I’m pretty sure 310,000,000 people would be able to handle 20,000,000 gun nutters.

there are about 80-100 million gun owners, about half of which own semi-auto rifles. so that is 40-50 million. The entire police + military (combat arm) of the country is just about 2 million. Tell me how this is suppose to go again?

I’m not a policy expert, but I would suggest using the model that has worked in numerous conflict zones in the developing world:

First, the government establishes a date, by which all arms in civilian hands must be turned in. This can be done at any variety of locations like police stations or areas set up specifically as collection sites. At the beginning of the covid pandemic there were drive through vaccination centers. The same could be offered for guns.

After that date passes, all arms are prohibited. The second step is large bounties or rewards are offered for turning in people who still have guns, or have hidden them in caches. The goal is to greatly incentivize people to turn gun criminals in, either through cash rewards or tax incentives. This will achieve three goals: 1) it will get recalcitrant gun hoarders arrested and removed from society via the bounty incentive, 2) it will make those still keeping guns go into hiding/dispose of their guns, 3) will drastically reduce the number of guns still remaining in the hands of the public.

Anyone caught with a gun after the deadline goes to prison, for life. No exceptions. No family visits, no parole, no release. They are literally gone from the world. I realize there would have to be a considerable up-front cost for constructing enough prisons to house all these people, but I really don’t think we’d be talking about more than 5-10 million people at most. Yes, there might be 90,000,000 people who own guns, but the vast majority would comply in the face of such prospects as the penalty would provide for. Very few people would be willing to spend the rest of their lives in prison and never again see their families over keeping a gun. And knowing that their neighbors, family or friends would turn them in for thousands of dollars in rewards would ensure that they’d know they wouldn’t be able to evade detection. They’d have no choice at all but to comply.

This has worked before, and there is absolutely no reason to doubt that it would work here as well.

How to create Afghanistan in 10 easy steps

Im genuinely confused by this sort of flippant remark. Can you elaborate? Because I cannot understand what you’re implying.

NP.

Not sure either.

But the fanatic gun control poster assumes it will be so easy for police or the military to just take away every citizens guns.

Even ignoring the US Constitution, posse commitatus act, etc.,

- how’d our military do with simply disarming the Afghans?

I think I’m probably the “fanatic gun safety poster” you’re speaking of.

Yes, that’s exactly what I expect the police to do. Constitution aside, yes. Some things are too important to restrained by a two century old document penned by slave owners who didn’t want to pay their fair share of taxes. Stop getting all hung up on the constitution.

And going around and rounding up guns in my scenario is exactly what I expect the police to do. Round up the guns, arrest the owners, hand them over to the court system for prosecution and sentencing commensurate with the law, and if necessary, use lethal force on those who try to resist.

That’s what they’re being paid to do. I expect them to do their jobs. If they won’t, fire them and hire someone who will. Or we should seek out the assistance of the international community to help with seizing arms from civilians if our own law enforcement is unwilling.

You should move to another country. Maybe Europe. The U.S. is not for you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Until we summon the national will to outlaw guns and put everyone who won’t comply in prison for the rest of their lives thus removing them from society, nothing will change. I don’t care if we have to put 20 million people in prison for life if that’s what it takes, because that’s the only thing that will stop it.

what will that stop? That will just literally straight up cause a civil war.

Last time I checked there were 330,000,000 people in America. I’m pretty sure 310,000,000 people would be able to handle 20,000,000 gun nutters.

there are about 80-100 million gun owners, about half of which own semi-auto rifles. so that is 40-50 million. The entire police + military (combat arm) of the country is just about 2 million. Tell me how this is suppose to go again?

I’m not a policy expert, but I would suggest using the model that has worked in numerous conflict zones in the developing world:

First, the government establishes a date, by which all arms in civilian hands must be turned in. This can be done at any variety of locations like police stations or areas set up specifically as collection sites. At the beginning of the covid pandemic there were drive through vaccination centers. The same could be offered for guns.

After that date passes, all arms are prohibited. The second step is large bounties or rewards are offered for turning in people who still have guns, or have hidden them in caches. The goal is to greatly incentivize people to turn gun criminals in, either through cash rewards or tax incentives. This will achieve three goals: 1) it will get recalcitrant gun hoarders arrested and removed from society via the bounty incentive, 2) it will make those still keeping guns go into hiding/dispose of their guns, 3) will drastically reduce the number of guns still remaining in the hands of the public.

Anyone caught with a gun after the deadline goes to prison, for life. No exceptions. No family visits, no parole, no release. They are literally gone from the world. I realize there would have to be a considerable up-front cost for constructing enough prisons to house all these people, but I really don’t think we’d be talking about more than 5-10 million people at most. Yes, there might be 90,000,000 people who own guns, but the vast majority would comply in the face of such prospects as the penalty would provide for. Very few people would be willing to spend the rest of their lives in prison and never again see their families over keeping a gun. And knowing that their neighbors, family or friends would turn them in for thousands of dollars in rewards would ensure that they’d know they wouldn’t be able to evade detection. They’d have no choice at all but to comply.

This has worked before, and there is absolutely no reason to doubt that it would work here as well.

How to create Afghanistan in 10 easy steps

Im genuinely confused by this sort of flippant remark. Can you elaborate? Because I cannot understand what you’re implying.

NP.

Not sure either.

But the fanatic gun control poster assumes it will be so easy for police or the military to just take away every citizens guns.

Even ignoring the US Constitution, posse commitatus act, etc.,

- how’d our military do with simply disarming the Afghans?

I think I’m probably the “fanatic gun safety poster” you’re speaking of.

Yes, that’s exactly what I expect the police to do. Constitution aside, yes. Some things are too important to restrained by a two century old document penned by slave owners who didn’t want to pay their fair share of taxes. Stop getting all hung up on the constitution.

And going around and rounding up guns in my scenario is exactly what I expect the police to do. Round up the guns, arrest the owners, hand them over to the court system for prosecution and sentencing commensurate with the law, and if necessary, use lethal force on those who try to resist.

That’s what they’re being paid to do. I expect them to do their jobs. If they won’t, fire them and hire someone who will. Or we should seek out the assistance of the international community to help with seizing arms from civilians if our own law enforcement is unwilling.

You’re really just asking for civil war. Be careful what you wish for.

A few million wanna be militia whack jobs getting crushed by the army will hardly be a “civil war”. I see it as more akin to taking out the trash. It would make for great binge watching. It’ll be bigger than “Tiger King”.

[Anonymous]

More isn't done because...

1. Members of Congress (particularly in the GOP) are to the right of the public when it come to gun control laws

2. People who are anti-gun control are more energized politically than people who are pro-gun control

3. The pro-gun control lobby is heavily engaged at the Congressional level - where this isn't the place to look for the legislative change they want (this is my big frustration with Dems on many issues...they turbo charge things as a federal-discussion when in reality DC is not the place to come for desired changes).

[Anonymous]

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So there just isn’t the demand from normal citizens to have guns to protect themselves the way they have here.

And there isn't an NRA or entrenched firearms industry lobbying and spending money to keep things the way they are.

Please the nra doesn’t have that much money, compared to what Bloomberg spends.

Yes they do.
NRA is #21 nationally in terms of political spending. https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/national-rifle-assn/summary?id=d000000082

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

So there just isn’t the demand from normal citizens to have guns to protect themselves the way they have here.

And there isn't an NRA or entrenched firearms industry lobbying and spending money to keep things the way they are.

Please the nra doesn’t have that much money, compared to what Bloomberg spends.

Yes they do.
NRA is #21 nationally in terms of political spending. https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/national-rifle-assn/summary?id=d000000082

#21 is far lower than I’d have previously believed. That’s actually shocking. I would’ve thought they were Top 5 based on their reputation.