Gun Control - Why isn't more done

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Until we summon the national will to outlaw guns and put everyone who won’t comply in prison for the rest of their lives thus removing them from society, nothing will change. I don’t care if we have to put 20 million people in prison for life if that’s what it takes, because that’s the only thing that will stop it.

what will that stop? That will just literally straight up cause a civil war.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Until we summon the national will to outlaw guns and put everyone who won’t comply in prison for the rest of their lives thus removing them from society, nothing will change. I don’t care if we have to put 20 million people in prison for life if that’s what it takes, because that’s the only thing that will stop it.

what will that stop? That will just literally straight up cause a civil war.

Last time I checked there were 330,000,000 people in America. I’m pretty sure 310,000,000 people would be able to handle 20,000,000 gun nutters.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Until we summon the national will to outlaw guns and put everyone who won’t comply in prison for the rest of their lives thus removing them from society, nothing will change. I don’t care if we have to put 20 million people in prison for life if that’s what it takes, because that’s the only thing that will stop it.

Why don’t we start with putting the 20 million violent criminals we have loose on our streets into prison for the rest of their lives where they belong. Then guns will lose their appeal because the nonviolent people won’t feel like we need them.

Hey dummy - If you own a gun you are NOT a nonviolent person. Nonviolent people don’t choose to own a killing implement. That’s literally what makes a person violent.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Until we summon the national will to outlaw guns and put everyone who won’t comply in prison for the rest of their lives thus removing them from society, nothing will change. I don’t care if we have to put 20 million people in prison for life if that’s what it takes, because that’s the only thing that will stop it.

what will that stop? That will just literally straight up cause a civil war.

Last time I checked there were 330,000,000 people in America. I’m pretty sure 310,000,000 people would be able to handle 20,000,000 gun nutters.

there are about 80-100 million gun owners, about half of which own semi-auto rifles. so that is 40-50 million. The entire police + military (combat arm) of the country is just about 2 million. Tell me how this is suppose to go again?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Until we summon the national will to outlaw guns and put everyone who won’t comply in prison for the rest of their lives thus removing them from society, nothing will change. I don’t care if we have to put 20 million people in prison for life if that’s what it takes, because that’s the only thing that will stop it.

what will that stop? That will just literally straight up cause a civil war.

Last time I checked there were 330,000,000 people in America. I’m pretty sure 310,000,000 people would be able to handle 20,000,000 gun nutters.

there are about 80-100 million gun owners, about half of which own semi-auto rifles. so that is 40-50 million. The entire police + military (combat arm) of the country is just about 2 million. Tell me how this is suppose to go again?

I’m not a policy expert, but I would suggest using the model that has worked in numerous conflict zones in the developing world:

First, the government establishes a date, by which all arms in civilian hands must be turned in. This can be done at any variety of locations like police stations or areas set up specifically as collection sites. At the beginning of the covid pandemic there were drive through vaccination centers. The same could be offered for guns.

After that date passes, all arms are prohibited. The second step is large bounties or rewards are offered for turning in people who still have guns, or have hidden them in caches. The goal is to greatly incentivize people to turn gun criminals in, either through cash rewards or tax incentives. This will achieve three goals: 1) it will get recalcitrant gun hoarders arrested and removed from society via the bounty incentive, 2) it will make those still keeping guns go into hiding/dispose of their guns, 3) will drastically reduce the number of guns still remaining in the hands of the public.

Anyone caught with a gun after the deadline goes to prison, for life. No exceptions. No family visits, no parole, no release. They are literally gone from the world. I realize there would have to be a considerable up-front cost for constructing enough prisons to house all these people, but I really don’t think we’d be talking about more than 5-10 million people at most. Yes, there might be 90,000,000 people who own guns, but the vast majority would comply in the face of such prospects as the penalty would provide for. Very few people would be willing to spend the rest of their lives in prison and never again see their families over keeping a gun. And knowing that their neighbors, family or friends would turn them in for thousands of dollars in rewards would ensure that they’d know they wouldn’t be able to evade detection. They’d have no choice at all but to comply.

This has worked before, and there is absolutely no reason to doubt that it would work here as well.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Until we summon the national will to outlaw guns and put everyone who won’t comply in prison for the rest of their lives thus removing them from society, nothing will change. I don’t care if we have to put 20 million people in prison for life if that’s what it takes, because that’s the only thing that will stop it.

what will that stop? That will just literally straight up cause a civil war.

Last time I checked there were 330,000,000 people in America. I’m pretty sure 310,000,000 people would be able to handle 20,000,000 gun nutters.

there are about 80-100 million gun owners, about half of which own semi-auto rifles. so that is 40-50 million. The entire police + military (combat arm) of the country is just about 2 million. Tell me how this is suppose to go again?

I’m not a policy expert, but I would suggest using the model that has worked in numerous conflict zones in the developing world:

First, the government establishes a date, by which all arms in civilian hands must be turned in. This can be done at any variety of locations like police stations or areas set up specifically as collection sites. At the beginning of the covid pandemic there were drive through vaccination centers. The same could be offered for guns.

After that date passes, all arms are prohibited. The second step is large bounties or rewards are offered for turning in people who still have guns, or have hidden them in caches. The goal is to greatly incentivize people to turn gun criminals in, either through cash rewards or tax incentives. This will achieve three goals: 1) it will get recalcitrant gun hoarders arrested and removed from society via the bounty incentive, 2) it will make those still keeping guns go into hiding/dispose of their guns, 3) will drastically reduce the number of guns still remaining in the hands of the public.

Anyone caught with a gun after the deadline goes to prison, for life. No exceptions. No family visits, no parole, no release. They are literally gone from the world. I realize there would have to be a considerable up-front cost for constructing enough prisons to house all these people, but I really don’t think we’d be talking about more than 5-10 million people at most. Yes, there might be 90,000,000 people who own guns, but the vast majority would comply in the face of such prospects as the penalty would provide for. Very few people would be willing to spend the rest of their lives in prison and never again see their families over keeping a gun. And knowing that their neighbors, family or friends would turn them in for thousands of dollars in rewards would ensure that they’d know they wouldn’t be able to evade detection. They’d have no choice at all but to comply.

This has worked before, and there is absolutely no reason to doubt that it would work here as well.

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Until we summon the national will to outlaw guns and put everyone who won’t comply in prison for the rest of their lives thus removing them from society, nothing will change. I don’t care if we have to put 20 million people in prison for life if that’s what it takes, because that’s the only thing that will stop it.

what will that stop? That will just literally straight up cause a civil war.

Last time I checked there were 330,000,000 people in America. I’m pretty sure 310,000,000 people would be able to handle 20,000,000 gun nutters.

there are about 80-100 million gun owners, about half of which own semi-auto rifles. so that is 40-50 million. The entire police + military (combat arm) of the country is just about 2 million. Tell me how this is suppose to go again?

I’m not a policy expert, but I would suggest using the model that has worked in numerous conflict zones in the developing world:

First, the government establishes a date, by which all arms in civilian hands must be turned in. This can be done at any variety of locations like police stations or areas set up specifically as collection sites. At the beginning of the covid pandemic there were drive through vaccination centers. The same could be offered for guns.

After that date passes, all arms are prohibited. The second step is large bounties or rewards are offered for turning in people who still have guns, or have hidden them in caches. The goal is to greatly incentivize people to turn gun criminals in, either through cash rewards or tax incentives. This will achieve three goals: 1) it will get recalcitrant gun hoarders arrested and removed from society via the bounty incentive, 2) it will make those still keeping guns go into hiding/dispose of their guns, 3) will drastically reduce the number of guns still remaining in the hands of the public.

Anyone caught with a gun after the deadline goes to prison, for life. No exceptions. No family visits, no parole, no release. They are literally gone from the world. I realize there would have to be a considerable up-front cost for constructing enough prisons to house all these people, but I really don’t think we’d be talking about more than 5-10 million people at most. Yes, there might be 90,000,000 people who own guns, but the vast majority would comply in the face of such prospects as the penalty would provide for. Very few people would be willing to spend the rest of their lives in prison and never again see their families over keeping a gun. And knowing that their neighbors, family or friends would turn them in for thousands of dollars in rewards would ensure that they’d know they wouldn’t be able to evade detection. They’d have no choice at all but to comply.

This has worked before, and there is absolutely no reason to doubt that it would work here as well.

Lifetime imprisonment for simple possession? I don't see how this could be abused. /s

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No, they're not. Grow up.

It’s amazing that they want to blame literally anyone and anything under the sun… EXCEPT the criminal holding the gun.

It's amazing that you want to give a complete pass to the pipelines responsible for providing guns to criminals.

It’s amazing that I want to punish a violent criminal and keep them off the streets before I want to hunt down designers and manufacturers of 3D printing technology?

A gun made from scratch with 3D PLA would still need a metal firing pin and a block of metal inside (undetectable weapons act) and even then would shatter either the first or second time it's fired. One could theoretically 3d print one with a metal chamber and barrel using an extremely expensive laser sintering machine but that would still require tempering, a lot of machinist and hand finishing work and gunsmithing expertise to pull it all off, and unless you already had access to such a machine, would ultimately would cost more and be more of a hassle than buying a gun off the shelf.

Again, the issue is that there are unscrupulous people who are legally buying guns off the shelf and are then illegally reselling/otherwise providing them to criminals and those are the people we need to hunt down and stop along with the violent criminals. And now with the "ghost gun" issue there is a cottage industry supporting criminals where they are buying parts off the shelf and are building guns with no serial numbers. Amazing how nobody wants to shut down the supply chain for criminals.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Until we summon the national will to outlaw guns and put everyone who won’t comply in prison for the rest of their lives thus removing them from society, nothing will change. I don’t care if we have to put 20 million people in prison for life if that’s what it takes, because that’s the only thing that will stop it.

what will that stop? That will just literally straight up cause a civil war.

Last time I checked there were 330,000,000 people in America. I’m pretty sure 310,000,000 people would be able to handle 20,000,000 gun nutters.

there are about 80-100 million gun owners, about half of which own semi-auto rifles. so that is 40-50 million. The entire police + military (combat arm) of the country is just about 2 million. Tell me how this is suppose to go again?

I’m not a policy expert, but I would suggest using the model that has worked in numerous conflict zones in the developing world:

First, the government establishes a date, by which all arms in civilian hands must be turned in. This can be done at any variety of locations like police stations or areas set up specifically as collection sites. At the beginning of the covid pandemic there were drive through vaccination centers. The same could be offered for guns.

After that date passes, all arms are prohibited. The second step is large bounties or rewards are offered for turning in people who still have guns, or have hidden them in caches. The goal is to greatly incentivize people to turn gun criminals in, either through cash rewards or tax incentives. This will achieve three goals: 1) it will get recalcitrant gun hoarders arrested and removed from society via the bounty incentive, 2) it will make those still keeping guns go into hiding/dispose of their guns, 3) will drastically reduce the number of guns still remaining in the hands of the public.

Anyone caught with a gun after the deadline goes to prison, for life. No exceptions. No family visits, no parole, no release. They are literally gone from the world. I realize there would have to be a considerable up-front cost for constructing enough prisons to house all these people, but I really don’t think we’d be talking about more than 5-10 million people at most. Yes, there might be 90,000,000 people who own guns, but the vast majority would comply in the face of such prospects as the penalty would provide for. Very few people would be willing to spend the rest of their lives in prison and never again see their families over keeping a gun. And knowing that their neighbors, family or friends would turn them in for thousands of dollars in rewards would ensure that they’d know they wouldn’t be able to evade detection. They’d have no choice at all but to comply.

This has worked before, and there is absolutely no reason to doubt that it would work here as well.

How to create Afghanistan in 10 easy steps

Im genuinely confused by this sort of flippant remark. Can you elaborate? Because I cannot understand what you’re implying.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Until we summon the national will to outlaw guns and put everyone who won’t comply in prison for the rest of their lives thus removing them from society, nothing will change. I don’t care if we have to put 20 million people in prison for life if that’s what it takes, because that’s the only thing that will stop it.

what will that stop? That will just literally straight up cause a civil war.

Last time I checked there were 330,000,000 people in America. I’m pretty sure 310,000,000 people would be able to handle 20,000,000 gun nutters.

there are about 80-100 million gun owners, about half of which own semi-auto rifles. so that is 40-50 million. The entire police + military (combat arm) of the country is just about 2 million. Tell me how this is suppose to go again?

I’m not a policy expert, but I would suggest using the model that has worked in numerous conflict zones in the developing world:

First, the government establishes a date, by which all arms in civilian hands must be turned in. This can be done at any variety of locations like police stations or areas set up specifically as collection sites. At the beginning of the covid pandemic there were drive through vaccination centers. The same could be offered for guns.

After that date passes, all arms are prohibited. The second step is large bounties or rewards are offered for turning in people who still have guns, or have hidden them in caches. The goal is to greatly incentivize people to turn gun criminals in, either through cash rewards or tax incentives. This will achieve three goals: 1) it will get recalcitrant gun hoarders arrested and removed from society via the bounty incentive, 2) it will make those still keeping guns go into hiding/dispose of their guns, 3) will drastically reduce the number of guns still remaining in the hands of the public.

Anyone caught with a gun after the deadline goes to prison, for life. No exceptions. No family visits, no parole, no release. They are literally gone from the world. I realize there would have to be a considerable up-front cost for constructing enough prisons to house all these people, but I really don’t think we’d be talking about more than 5-10 million people at most. Yes, there might be 90,000,000 people who own guns, but the vast majority would comply in the face of such prospects as the penalty would provide for. Very few people would be willing to spend the rest of their lives in prison and never again see their families over keeping a gun. And knowing that their neighbors, family or friends would turn them in for thousands of dollars in rewards would ensure that they’d know they wouldn’t be able to evade detection. They’d have no choice at all but to comply.

This has worked before, and there is absolutely no reason to doubt that it would work here as well.

Lifetime imprisonment for simple possession? I don't see how this could be abused. /s

Many counties (Singapore, Indonesia, many of the Gulf countries) have similar laws for drug possession, and sometimes even the death penalty. I’m not advocating that, but life in prison, absolutely. These countries don’t have a drug epidemic because of their laws. The same thing would work for guns here. I don’t really understand how that would be abused, since someone charged would’ve been charged *because* they had a gun. How is that abuse? It’s a law. Don’t break it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No, they're not. Grow up.

It’s amazing that they want to blame literally anyone and anything under the sun… EXCEPT the criminal holding the gun.

It's amazing that you want to give a complete pass to the pipelines responsible for providing guns to criminals.

It’s amazing that I want to punish a violent criminal and keep them off the streets before I want to hunt down designers and manufacturers of 3D printing technology?

A gun made from scratch with 3D PLA would still need a metal firing pin and a block of metal inside (undetectable weapons act) and even then would shatter either the first or second time it's fired. One could theoretically 3d print one with a metal chamber and barrel using an extremely expensive laser sintering machine but that would still require tempering, a lot of machinist and hand finishing work and gunsmithing expertise to pull it all off, and unless you already had access to such a machine, would ultimately would cost more and be more of a hassle than buying a gun off the shelf.

Again, the issue is that there are unscrupulous people who are legally buying guns off the shelf and are then illegally reselling/otherwise providing them to criminals and those are the people we need to hunt down and stop along with the violent criminals. And now with the "ghost gun" issue there is a cottage industry supporting criminals where they are buying parts off the shelf and are building guns with no serial numbers. Amazing how nobody wants to shut down the supply chain for criminals.

Part of shutting down the supply chain for criminals is sealing shut our borders. Our border agents need to be focused on stopping illegal goods coming into the country, like guns and drugs, rather than dealing with all the illegal people.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Until we summon the national will to outlaw guns and put everyone who won’t comply in prison for the rest of their lives thus removing them from society, nothing will change. I don’t care if we have to put 20 million people in prison for life if that’s what it takes, because that’s the only thing that will stop it.

what will that stop? That will just literally straight up cause a civil war.

Last time I checked there were 330,000,000 people in America. I’m pretty sure 310,000,000 people would be able to handle 20,000,000 gun nutters.

there are about 80-100 million gun owners, about half of which own semi-auto rifles. so that is 40-50 million. The entire police + military (combat arm) of the country is just about 2 million. Tell me how this is suppose to go again?

I’m not a policy expert, but I would suggest using the model that has worked in numerous conflict zones in the developing world:

First, the government establishes a date, by which all arms in civilian hands must be turned in. This can be done at any variety of locations like police stations or areas set up specifically as collection sites. At the beginning of the covid pandemic there were drive through vaccination centers. The same could be offered for guns.

After that date passes, all arms are prohibited. The second step is large bounties or rewards are offered for turning in people who still have guns, or have hidden them in caches. The goal is to greatly incentivize people to turn gun criminals in, either through cash rewards or tax incentives. This will achieve three goals: 1) it will get recalcitrant gun hoarders arrested and removed from society via the bounty incentive, 2) it will make those still keeping guns go into hiding/dispose of their guns, 3) will drastically reduce the number of guns still remaining in the hands of the public.

Anyone caught with a gun after the deadline goes to prison, for life. No exceptions. No family visits, no parole, no release. They are literally gone from the world. I realize there would have to be a considerable up-front cost for constructing enough prisons to house all these people, but I really don’t think we’d be talking about more than 5-10 million people at most. Yes, there might be 90,000,000 people who own guns, but the vast majority would comply in the face of such prospects as the penalty would provide for. Very few people would be willing to spend the rest of their lives in prison and never again see their families over keeping a gun. And knowing that their neighbors, family or friends would turn them in for thousands of dollars in rewards would ensure that they’d know they wouldn’t be able to evade detection. They’d have no choice at all but to comply.

This has worked before, and there is absolutely no reason to doubt that it would work here as well.

How to create Afghanistan in 10 easy steps

Im genuinely confused by this sort of flippant remark. Can you elaborate? Because I cannot understand what you’re implying.

NP.

Not sure either.

But the fanatic gun control poster assumes it will be so easy for police or the military to just take away every citizens guns.

Even ignoring the US Constitution, posse commitatus act, etc.,

- how’d our military do with simply disarming the Afghans?

[Anonymous]

I am more afraid of the guns than of COVID. The virus you can mitigate. Vaccines, medicine, preventative care. Guns? God, they are everywhere! Shot on the metro, playground, stray bullets.

But here's the thing - in the US - it will get worse not better because the culture of the country highlights above all, independence. Unless there is a government mandate (and even there - look at COVID - it's not 100% effective), there will be a ton of guns. We are never going to go the way of Australia, UK, or anywhere else where people come to their sensibilities and all agree that guns = violence.

Here in the US, we will never have universal life insurance (too much money in it for insurance, it's a financial racket that works for too many people), we will never have paid leave the way they have in Europe and everywhere else (people love money too much) and we will never have a welfare policy that truly protects/assists those most needing help (we are too much of a dog eat dog society) and finally, guns are part of the US culture (Constitution) and no political movement or tragedy will ever change that.

The best that can happen is the whole culture and structure of US society changes to become a different society altogether. Until then, this country is a scary and depressing place (unless you have money of course!).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Until we summon the national will to outlaw guns and put everyone who won’t comply in prison for the rest of their lives thus removing them from society, nothing will change. I don’t care if we have to put 20 million people in prison for life if that’s what it takes, because that’s the only thing that will stop it.

what will that stop? That will just literally straight up cause a civil war.

Last time I checked there were 330,000,000 people in America. I’m pretty sure 310,000,000 people would be able to handle 20,000,000 gun nutters.

there are about 80-100 million gun owners, about half of which own semi-auto rifles. so that is 40-50 million. The entire police + military (combat arm) of the country is just about 2 million. Tell me how this is suppose to go again?

I’m not a policy expert, but I would suggest using the model that has worked in numerous conflict zones in the developing world:

First, the government establishes a date, by which all arms in civilian hands must be turned in. This can be done at any variety of locations like police stations or areas set up specifically as collection sites. At the beginning of the covid pandemic there were drive through vaccination centers. The same could be offered for guns.

After that date passes, all arms are prohibited. The second step is large bounties or rewards are offered for turning in people who still have guns, or have hidden them in caches. The goal is to greatly incentivize people to turn gun criminals in, either through cash rewards or tax incentives. This will achieve three goals: 1) it will get recalcitrant gun hoarders arrested and removed from society via the bounty incentive, 2) it will make those still keeping guns go into hiding/dispose of their guns, 3) will drastically reduce the number of guns still remaining in the hands of the public.

Anyone caught with a gun after the deadline goes to prison, for life. No exceptions. No family visits, no parole, no release. They are literally gone from the world. I realize there would have to be a considerable up-front cost for constructing enough prisons to house all these people, but I really don’t think we’d be talking about more than 5-10 million people at most. Yes, there might be 90,000,000 people who own guns, but the vast majority would comply in the face of such prospects as the penalty would provide for. Very few people would be willing to spend the rest of their lives in prison and never again see their families over keeping a gun. And knowing that their neighbors, family or friends would turn them in for thousands of dollars in rewards would ensure that they’d know they wouldn’t be able to evade detection. They’d have no choice at all but to comply.

This has worked before, and there is absolutely no reason to doubt that it would work here as well.

Clearly not.

Good luck with this plan. The first step would be getting enough states onboard to amend the Constitution to get rid of the 2nd Amendment. I won't hold my breath.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NP.

Not sure either.

But the fanatic gun control poster assumes it will be so easy for police or the military to just take away every citizens guns.

Even ignoring the US Constitution, posse commitatus act, etc.,

- how’d our military do with simply disarming the Afghans?

I bet you gun nuts really thought Madison Cawthorn had a point with his “Australia” tweet, just as you think you have a point with your post. NP.