Feds uncover large-scale college entrance exam cheating plot

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Anonymous wrote:The mindset expressed in this mother's letter to the Atlantic about her DC's college application experience explains a bit how we get to the college admissions scandal. There is a view that there are only a few highly selective schools that are acceptable, and that acceptance to any one of them is indicative of your worth as a student and a human being. Right now, my DD is applying for internships and she is frustrated at not getting the ones she want and in exasperation she has asked me "don't you think I deserve it?" Yes, she works hard. Yes, she has good grades. Yes, she goes to a "good school." Yet, I have a very hard time telling her "yes, you deserve it and it is not fair that you are not being selected/" I haven't yet figured out how to answer her question.

That being said, the Mom who writes this letter to the Atlantic is a nutcase and she is going to ruin her child for life. Life is not fair! Get over it! You do not have a right to attend an Ivy League or any other school.

https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2019/02/im-worried-my-son-wont-get-good-college/582979/

That letter writer mom and your DD are right. I wondered why my friend’s DD went Ivy, while myDDhad better skill sets, grades, SAT, etc was rejected even by schools like BC and Tufts. I checked 5he donations to Penn and sure enough

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The mindset expressed in this mother's letter to the Atlantic about her DC's college application experience explains a bit how we get to the college admissions scandal. There is a view that there are only a few highly selective schools that are acceptable, and that acceptance to any one of them is indicative of your worth as a student and a human being. Right now, my DD is applying for internships and she is frustrated at not getting the ones she want and in exasperation she has asked me "don't you think I deserve it?" Yes, she works hard. Yes, she has good grades. Yes, she goes to a "good school." Yet, I have a very hard time telling her "yes, you deserve it and it is not fair that you are not being selected/" I haven't yet figured out how to answer her question.

That being said, the Mom who writes this letter to the Atlantic is a nutcase and she is going to ruin her child for life. Life is not fair! Get over it! You do not have a right to attend an Ivy League or any other school.

https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2019/02/im-worried-my-son-wont-get-good-college/582979/

what types of internships is she shooting for?

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Anonymous wrote:It honestly sounds like the ringleader guy was taking advantage of gullible rich idiots during a time of anxiety. Outside of HYPS, none of these colleges are worth what they were paying, even if you have money to burn. USC? Georgetown? UCLA? NYU? Give me a break.

Oh cut it with the elitist snootiness. No these are not the tippy top schools, but they are all well known and very respectable. The people who paid these bribes were rich parents of ordinary kids who would never have been able to get into schools of this caliber on their own. These kids would have otherwise attended directional state university or it's private college counterpart.

That's not elitist, just a fact. USC, Georgetown, UCLA, NYU are fine selective schools, but they don't pop off the page. I know a lot of verifiable very wealthy and very connected people who have sent their kids to Pepperdine, Hobart and William Smith, Tulane, SMU, Arizona, Alabama, Indiana, and Miami-Ohio.

You really think anyone is more impressed that a bimbo went to USC instead of SMU? Not in the slightest. These parents are idiots.

You are the idiot! And you have not had a college age child. You are also ignorant of job placement and graduate school acceptance or alumni earnings. What popped out the page 30 years ago has changed and honestly you overall facts are wrong. If you talking about movies, Wall Street, law medicine PHDs. When your kid or maybe grand kid ends up at some crappy school you may realize things have changed.

I have a pair of children in selective colleges and two more heading soon. USC has over 20,000 undergrads, antithesis of tiny, hyper-exclusive Ivies – it's a massive rich slacker bimbo/douchebag school. They only jumped in rankings because of endowment, they literally bribe thousands of truly smart kids with big scholarships, ala Alabama, and a huge surge in international apps. The obese layabout idiot Rob Kardashian recently graduated from USC's business school! lol

Again, if your daughter is a pretty bimbo, nobody is more impressed she's a USC undergrad instead of SMU. This entire thing is just batsh*t crazy. Ruined their reputations and jeopardized their freedom so their kids can attend a 20-something US News instead of a 40-something (Pepperdine) or 50-something (SMU) US News?

It's akin to all the obnoxious rich Jersey/Long Island kids at GW (#60), should their parents have bribed them into #30 NYU for more prestige? No, because the prestige difference is totally nominal, to the tiny % who even grasp the difference. Dumb!

aren't SMU and USC the same school pretty much?

Hot chicks, mrs. degrees, regional/city focused?

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That being said, the Mom who writes this letter to the Atlantic is a nutcase and she is going to ruin her child for life. Life is not fair! Get over it! You do not have a right to attend an Ivy League or any other school.

I am curious as to why you say that? Are some slots exclusively for the nobility?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The mindset expressed in this mother's letter to the Atlantic about her DC's college application experience explains a bit how we get to the college admissions scandal. There is a view that there are only a few highly selective schools that are acceptable, and that acceptance to any one of them is indicative of your worth as a student and a human being. Right now, my DD is applying for internships and she is frustrated at not getting the ones she want and in exasperation she has asked me "don't you think I deserve it?" Yes, she works hard. Yes, she has good grades. Yes, she goes to a "good school." Yet, I have a very hard time telling her "yes, you deserve it and it is not fair that you are not being selected/" I haven't yet figured out how to answer her question.

That being said, the Mom who writes this letter to the Atlantic is a nutcase and she is going to ruin her child for life. Life is not fair! Get over it! You do not have a right to attend an Ivy League or any other school.

https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2019/02/im-worried-my-son-wont-get-good-college/582979/

what types of internships is she shooting for?

Not the PP but my friend's daughter had to apply to over 100 before she even got a callback. Ridiculous

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It honestly sounds like the ringleader guy was taking advantage of gullible rich idiots during a time of anxiety. Outside of HYPS, none of these colleges are worth what they were paying, even if you have money to burn. USC? Georgetown? UCLA? NYU? Give me a break.

Oh cut it with the elitist snootiness. No these are not the tippy top schools, but they are all well known and very respectable. The people who paid these bribes were rich parents of ordinary kids who would never have been able to get into schools of this caliber on their own. These kids would have otherwise attended directional state university or it's private college counterpart.

That's not elitist, just a fact. USC, Georgetown, UCLA, NYU are fine selective schools, but they don't pop off the page. I know a lot of verifiable very wealthy and very connected people who have sent their kids to Pepperdine, Hobart and William Smith, Tulane, SMU, Arizona, Alabama, Indiana, and Miami-Ohio.

You really think anyone is more impressed that a bimbo went to USC instead of SMU? Not in the slightest. These parents are idiots.

Well of course they don't pop off the page, but these kids probably wouldn't have been able to get into pop off the page schools even with fake SAT scores or as athletic recruits. And yes USC and Georgetown are much higher regarded than Pepperdine, Tulane, and SMU.

I doubt USC is much higher regarded than SMU or Tulane, especially outside Southern California. IT was not that long ago when 1050 SAT score and the ability to pay full tuition practically guaranteed you admissions.

The real story, however, is that it was totally irrelevant to these rich kids and their parents whether little darling went to USC or Pepperdine or some hick college. Their outcome in life would be exactly the same. They don't need the hypothetical (and greatly overstated) hooks and connections that comes with a more prestigious school. Those kids were set for life. Guaranteed a lifetime of multi-million dollar mansions and flying only first class and parties and fancy clothes and idleness. GUARANTEED. So.... why did these idiotic parents risk prison over faking SAT scores? That is the intriguing part of it all.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:The mindset expressed in this mother's letter to the Atlantic about her DC's college application experience explains a bit how we get to the college admissions scandal. There is a view that there are only a few highly selective schools that are acceptable, and that acceptance to any one of them is indicative of your worth as a student and a human being. Right now, my DD is applying for internships and she is frustrated at not getting the ones she want and in exasperation she has asked me "don't you think I deserve it?" Yes, she works hard. Yes, she has good grades. Yes, she goes to a "good school." Yet, I have a very hard time telling her "yes, you deserve it and it is not fair that you are not being selected/" I haven't yet figured out how to answer her question.

That being said, the Mom who writes this letter to the Atlantic is a nutcase and she is going to ruin her child for life. Life is not fair! Get over it! You do not have a right to attend an Ivy League or any other school.

https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2019/02/im-worried-my-son-wont-get-good-college/582979/

what types of internships is she shooting for?

Not the PP but my friend's daughter had to apply to over 100 before she even got a callback. Ridiculous

that's the market though - internships, entry level, mid level under 10 years of experience are all brutal markets.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It honestly sounds like the ringleader guy was taking advantage of gullible rich idiots during a time of anxiety. Outside of HYPS, none of these colleges are worth what they were paying, even if you have money to burn. USC? Georgetown? UCLA? NYU? Give me a break.

Oh cut it with the elitist snootiness. No these are not the tippy top schools, but they are all well known and very respectable. The people who paid these bribes were rich parents of ordinary kids who would never have been able to get into schools of this caliber on their own. These kids would have otherwise attended directional state university or it's private college counterpart.

That's not elitist, just a fact. USC, Georgetown, UCLA, NYU are fine selective schools, but they don't pop off the page. I know a lot of verifiable very wealthy and very connected people who have sent their kids to Pepperdine, Hobart and William Smith, Tulane, SMU, Arizona, Alabama, Indiana, and Miami-Ohio.

You really think anyone is more impressed that a bimbo went to USC instead of SMU? Not in the slightest. These parents are idiots.

Well of course they don't pop off the page, but these kids probably wouldn't have been able to get into pop off the page schools even with fake SAT scores or as athletic recruits. And yes USC and Georgetown are much higher regarded than Pepperdine, Tulane, and SMU.

I doubt USC is much higher regarded than SMU or Tulane, especially outside Southern California. IT was not that long ago when 1050 SAT score and the ability to pay full tuition practically guaranteed you admissions.

The real story, however, is that it was totally irrelevant to these rich kids and their parents whether little darling went to USC or Pepperdine or some hick college. Their outcome in life would be exactly the same. They don't need the hypothetical (and greatly overstated) hooks and connections that comes with a more prestigious school. Those kids were set for life. Guaranteed a lifetime of multi-million dollar mansions and flying only first class and parties and fancy clothes and idleness. GUARANTEED. So.... why did these idiotic parents risk prison over faking SAT scores? That is the intriguing part of it all.

+1

+2...look at the Buckingham kid. His parents are Marcus and Jane Buckingham, both massively connected in the business world with Fortune 500 clients for their businesses. He would have gotten the same good job no matter what.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It honestly sounds like the ringleader guy was taking advantage of gullible rich idiots during a time of anxiety. Outside of HYPS, none of these colleges are worth what they were paying, even if you have money to burn. USC? Georgetown? UCLA? NYU? Give me a break.

Oh cut it with the elitist snootiness. No these are not the tippy top schools, but they are all well known and very respectable. The people who paid these bribes were rich parents of ordinary kids who would never have been able to get into schools of this caliber on their own. These kids would have otherwise attended directional state university or it's private college counterpart.

That's not elitist, just a fact. USC, Georgetown, UCLA, NYU are fine selective schools, but they don't pop off the page. I know a lot of verifiable very wealthy and very connected people who have sent their kids to Pepperdine, Hobart and William Smith, Tulane, SMU, Arizona, Alabama, Indiana, and Miami-Ohio.

You really think anyone is more impressed that a bimbo went to USC instead of SMU? Not in the slightest. These parents are idiots.

You are the idiot! And you have not had a college age child. You are also ignorant of job placement and graduate school acceptance or alumni earnings. What popped out the page 30 years ago has changed and honestly you overall facts are wrong. If you talking about movies, Wall Street, law medicine PHDs. When your kid or maybe grand kid ends up at some crappy school you may realize things have changed.

I have a pair of children in selective colleges and two more heading soon. USC has over 20,000 undergrads, antithesis of tiny, hyper-exclusive Ivies – it's a massive rich slacker bimbo/douchebag school. They only jumped in rankings because of endowment, they literally bribe thousands of truly smart kids with big scholarships, ala Alabama, and a huge surge in international apps. The obese layabout idiot Rob Kardashian recently graduated from USC's business school! lol

Again, if your daughter is a pretty bimbo, nobody is more impressed she's a USC undergrad instead of SMU. This entire thing is just batsh*t crazy. Ruined their reputations and jeopardized their freedom so their kids can attend a 20-something US News instead of a 40-something (Pepperdine) or 50-something (SMU) US News?

It's akin to all the obnoxious rich Jersey/Long Island kids at GW (#60), should their parents have bribed them into #30 NYU for more prestige? No, because the prestige difference is totally nominal, to the tiny % who even grasp the difference. Dumb!

aren't SMU and USC the same school pretty much?

Hot chicks, mrs. degrees, regional/city focused?

No they are not but you guys think UVA/UND is the same as an ivy so your kind of beyond help and stuck in the past...at least your old and dying

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The mindset expressed in this mother's letter to the Atlantic about her DC's college application experience explains a bit how we get to the college admissions scandal. There is a view that there are only a few highly selective schools that are acceptable, and that acceptance to any one of them is indicative of your worth as a student and a human being. Right now, my DD is applying for internships and she is frustrated at not getting the ones she want and in exasperation she has asked me "don't you think I deserve it?" Yes, she works hard. Yes, she has good grades. Yes, she goes to a "good school." Yet, I have a very hard time telling her "yes, you deserve it and it is not fair that you are not being selected/" I haven't yet figured out how to answer her question.

That being said, the Mom who writes this letter to the Atlantic is a nutcase and she is going to ruin her child for life. Life is not fair! Get over it! You do not have a right to attend an Ivy League or any other school.

https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2019/02/im-worried-my-son-wont-get-good-college/582979/

what types of internships is she shooting for?

Not the PP but my friend's daughter had to apply to over 100 before she even got a callback. Ridiculous

Merit aid does this everytime. That's why people want those schools ranked 10-30. Kids get something called jobs and internships

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The mindset expressed in this mother's letter to the Atlantic about her DC's college application experience explains a bit how we get to the college admissions scandal. There is a view that there are only a few highly selective schools that are acceptable, and that acceptance to any one of them is indicative of your worth as a student and a human being. Right now, my DD is applying for internships and she is frustrated at not getting the ones she want and in exasperation she has asked me "don't you think I deserve it?" Yes, she works hard. Yes, she has good grades. Yes, she goes to a "good school." Yet, I have a very hard time telling her "yes, you deserve it and it is not fair that you are not being selected/" I haven't yet figured out how to answer her question.

That being said, the Mom who writes this letter to the Atlantic is a nutcase and she is going to ruin her child for life. Life is not fair! Get over it! You do not have a right to attend an Ivy League or any other school.

https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2019/02/im-worried-my-son-wont-get-good-college/582979/

what types of internships is she shooting for?

Not the PP but my friend's daughter had to apply to over 100 before she even got a callback. Ridiculous

"Apply?" Didn't mom have anyone to call? Sadly, that's how it is for many internships.

[Anonymous]

Internships - what year in school? Wharton sophomore friend had over 100 interviews and only 3 call backs. Finally got an internship through a friend. It’s who you know...

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Anonymous wrote:Internships - what year in school? Wharton sophomore friend had over 100 interviews and only 3 call backs. Finally got an internship through a friend. It’s who you know...

Or how well you do in school.

[Anonymous]

This is all why real socialism, massive tax hikes, and meaningful changes to inheritance laws happen soon. White privileged behavior in this realm sounds appalling.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The mindset expressed in this mother's letter to the Atlantic about her DC's college application experience explains a bit how we get to the college admissions scandal. There is a view that there are only a few highly selective schools that are acceptable, and that acceptance to any one of them is indicative of your worth as a student and a human being. Right now, my DD is applying for internships and she is frustrated at not getting the ones she want and in exasperation she has asked me "don't you think I deserve it?" Yes, she works hard. Yes, she has good grades. Yes, she goes to a "good school." Yet, I have a very hard time telling her "yes, you deserve it and it is not fair that you are not being selected/" I haven't yet figured out how to answer her question.

That being said, the Mom who writes this letter to the Atlantic is a nutcase and she is going to ruin her child for life. Life is not fair! Get over it! You do not have a right to attend an Ivy League or any other school.

https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2019/02/im-worried-my-son-wont-get-good-college/582979/

what types of internships is she shooting for?

Not the PP but my friend's daughter had to apply to over 100 before she even got a callback. Ridiculous

If she applied for 100 internships before getting a call back then her materials were not very remarkable and likely had some errors.