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DP. Anyone knows USWeekly is crap. |
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DP and yes, this is why I don't get the Meghan rage. I also can't stand whiny rich people. I didn't even watch the Oprah interview because that's not my thing. Celebs irritate me a lot because so many of them are like this and I don't think they really even notice it -- it's just what they know. I don't consume a lot of celebrity interviews or media because I don't like it. But I do like entertaining so I did watch a few episodes of Meghan's show and I thought it was fine. She did not come off as whiny to me. She's stiff and not a great interviewer, and I think she tries too hard when she's interacting with the people she's not friends with (her insisting over and over that she and Roy Choi are both "LA kids" was pretty silly to me). But she didn't even mention the royal family or any of that. I guess her saying the makeup artist knew her "before and during" was a reference to it, but it's not like she said he was with her through this horrible trying time. She could easily have just meant that he knew her back before she met Harry. If she was complaining, it was not overt and I didn't really pick up on it. Maybe she's whiny in interviews with the media, I don't know. But as someone with only a very mild interest in her, but am probably a target demo for her show, I don't get the hate. The show actually has good ideas! I'm doing the one-skillet pasta tonight. I have a super picky eater who hates veggies and I made her some cream cheese and cucumber sandwiches this weekend and used cookie cutters to cut them into hearts and she love them. Could I have gotten these ideas elsewhere? Of course. She's not inventing the wheel here. But I like how she presents ideas and the actual content is pretty good, so either she or her producers are doing a good job with the show. I'm honestly baffled by the hate on here -- if you find her super grating, it would be easy to just not watch. This is the first time I'm seeing her on screen in a focused way since her wedding. The show is decent. It all just seems very unobjectionable. |
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That is so great that you watched her and cut your kids sandwiches into shapes. I’ve always wondered with those though, where does the waste go? You don’t use the entire sandwich for the cookie cutter. Do you eat it? Just throw it in the bin? It looks pretty, but my kids eat the crusts too, so it just seems wasteful from my end. I guess we do what works for us and that goes for opinions about Megan Markle too. Think about why you wrote 2 big paragraphs about someone you have mild interest in. It isn’t really the interest in her driving your response right because your interest is mild. So why are YOU devoting time to it. I know she irrates me because of the hypocrisy of her Archie well/ archetypes podcast which was meant to shatter archetypes and then comes out with this project which pretty much covers ever upper middle class woman becoming a mom stereotype out there (including wasting food). So I am writing about it, but figure out why you wrote about it and it may help you understand others perspectives too. |
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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The whole situation they are in is Edward and Wallis 2.0 Relying on royal cachet for opportunities. Grifting off actually rich friends to help them along. It’s fascinating. Meghan likes to talk about amazing women like she’s one but truly she’s a D list “celebrity” who simply married an A lister. She wants to be Amal Clooney without the actual work. [/quote]
I agree. There is a video on You Tube of Wallis and Edward from around 1969 or 1970. The whole video is them claiming that the royal family held them back from doing anything while also claiming that they were successful with limited opportunities in the Caribbean. Wallis stated multiple times that they were not allowed to do anything. They both appeared as broken and sad people fidgeting and frowning, even when they claim to have been happy. It's a fascinating watch for the Meghan and Harry parallel. [/quote] I agree Edward and Wallis are a very good parallel. But I don't think they ever provoked the amount of rage from American audiences that Meghan does. And Edward actually abdicated. I feel like Americans were less enamored with the British royals back then. A lot of the anger at Meghan seems to be that she is depriving the royals of Harry, a second son with no real role anyway. While Wallis actually caused a monarch to abdicate, leading to a change in the line if succession. Plus Edward was cozy with the Nazis, and Wallis was a famously nasty. They were extremely unlikable, but people didn't get particularly invested. Now it feels like people are weirdly invested in the BRF and then offended in their behalf. Which I don't get. I'm an American, the BRF is like a weird vestigial tail to me. A tabloid oddity. Not an institution I'm invested in. I think it's funny how mad they are about Meghan.[/quote] I can only speak for myself. I am not offended on behalf of the royals. [b]I do, however have a hard time listening to filthy rich people complain about their problems. This goes for any filthy rich people, not just these two.[/b] I just want to yell at them to take a drive around the city and see all the people less fortunate than them or go hang out at a hospital and see all the people whose worlds are torn apart due to illness. But they really think they are victims. Wash, poor me in Montecito. My exception to this rule is when rich athletes complain about their games or league rules. I have no problem with that since the athletes risk their body and health every time they step on the court/ field.[/quote] I am not the person you are responding to but I'm chiming in. I get this, but I don't see how Harry & Meghan are any different from other whiny rich people. But they get way more vitriol. I also don't think she complained in this series. The Oprah interview was pretty whiny, I'll give you that. [/quote] DP and yes, this is why I don't get the Meghan rage. I also can't stand whiny rich people. I didn't even watch the Oprah interview because that's not my thing. Celebs irritate me a lot because so many of them are like this and I don't think they really even notice it -- it's just what they know. I don't consume a lot of celebrity interviews or media because I don't like it. But I do like entertaining so I did watch a few episodes of Meghan's show and I thought it was fine. She did not come off as whiny to me. She's stiff and not a great interviewer, and I think she tries too hard when she's interacting with the people she's not friends with (her insisting over and over that she and Roy Choi are both "LA kids" was pretty silly to me). But she didn't even mention the royal family or any of that. I guess her saying the makeup artist knew her "before and during" was a reference to it, but it's not like she said he was with her through this horrible trying time. She could easily have just meant that he knew her back before she met Harry. If she was complaining, it was not overt and I didn't really pick up on it. Maybe she's whiny in interviews with the media, I don't know. But as someone with only a very mild interest in her, but am probably a target demo for her show, I don't get the hate. The show actually has good ideas! I'm doing the one-skillet pasta tonight. I have a super picky eater who hates veggies and I made her some cream cheese and cucumber sandwiches this weekend and used cookie cutters to cut them into hearts and she love them. Could I have gotten these ideas elsewhere? Of course. She's not inventing the wheel here. But I like how she presents ideas and the actual content is pretty good, so either she or her producers are doing a good job with the show. I'm honestly baffled by the hate on here -- if you find her super grating, it would be easy to just not watch. This is the first time I'm seeing her on screen in a focused way since her wedding. The show is decent. It all just seems very unobjectionable.[/quote] But you said you watched the Oprah interview. Were you watching it *unfocused*? |
Anonymous
I am writing about the show that is the subject of the thread, which I watched and got something out of. I wrote "two big paragraphs" (note: I'm an attorney and I could write 20 paragraphs on almost any topic, I don't consider this a big investment of energy) about a show I watched and thought was okay. Some of you have written pages and pages and pages of content about Meghan's marriage, personality, acting career, family background, friends, etc., while simultaneously claiming you don't like her and that she shouldn't be famous. It's fascinating. I just ate the leftover bits from the sandwich myself. It wasn't that different than when my kid wants crusts cut off and then I just eat those. We don't waste much in my house. I will note that Meghan and Mindy went about making those sandwiches in the weirdest way -- they cut out the shapes from the bread first and then put on the toppings. This is bizarre. It works way better if you make a full sandwich out of full pieces of bread, then cut out the shapes (I was able to get two heart shaped sandwiches out of a single big sandwich. If you stamp them out after the sandwich is made, you don't have to line up the different bread shapes and also you get a nice clean edge to the sandwich instead of having the filling spilling out the side. Depending on how soft the bread is, you will either get an attractive slice cut where you can see the filling from the side, or the cookie cutter will create an almost sealed edge that holds the filling inside (useful for peanut butter and jelly). My sandwiches looked a lot prettier than the ones they made on the show because I quickly realized it made it more sense to use the cookie cutters only at the very end. |
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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The whole situation they are in is Edward and Wallis 2.0 Relying on royal cachet for opportunities. Grifting off actually rich friends to help them along. It’s fascinating. Meghan likes to talk about amazing women like she’s one but truly she’s a D list “celebrity” who simply married an A lister. She wants to be Amal Clooney without the actual work. [/quote]
I agree. There is a video on You Tube of Wallis and Edward from around 1969 or 1970. The whole video is them claiming that the royal family held them back from doing anything while also claiming that they were successful with limited opportunities in the Caribbean. Wallis stated multiple times that they were not allowed to do anything. They both appeared as broken and sad people fidgeting and frowning, even when they claim to have been happy. It's a fascinating watch for the Meghan and Harry parallel. [/quote] I agree Edward and Wallis are a very good parallel. But I don't think they ever provoked the amount of rage from American audiences that Meghan does. And Edward actually abdicated. I feel like Americans were less enamored with the British royals back then. A lot of the anger at Meghan seems to be that she is depriving the royals of Harry, a second son with no real role anyway. While Wallis actually caused a monarch to abdicate, leading to a change in the line if succession. Plus Edward was cozy with the Nazis, and Wallis was a famously nasty. They were extremely unlikable, but people didn't get particularly invested. Now it feels like people are weirdly invested in the BRF and then offended in their behalf. Which I don't get. I'm an American, the BRF is like a weird vestigial tail to me. A tabloid oddity. Not an institution I'm invested in. I think it's funny how mad they are about Meghan.[/quote] I can only speak for myself. I am not offended on behalf of the royals. [b]I do, however have a hard time listening to filthy rich people complain about their problems. This goes for any filthy rich people, not just these two.[/b] I just want to yell at them to take a drive around the city and see all the people less fortunate than them or go hang out at a hospital and see all the people whose worlds are torn apart due to illness. But they really think they are victims. Wash, poor me in Montecito. My exception to this rule is when rich athletes complain about their games or league rules. I have no problem with that since the athletes risk their body and health every time they step on the court/ field.[/quote] I am not the person you are responding to but I'm chiming in. I get this, but I don't see how Harry & Meghan are any different from other whiny rich people. But they get way more vitriol. I also don't think she complained in this series. The Oprah interview was pretty whiny, I'll give you that. [/quote] DP and yes, this is why I don't get the Meghan rage. I also can't stand whiny rich people. I didn't even watch the Oprah interview because that's not my thing. Celebs irritate me a lot because so many of them are like this and I don't think they really even notice it -- it's just what they know. I don't consume a lot of celebrity interviews or media because I don't like it. But I do like entertaining so I did watch a few episodes of Meghan's show and I thought it was fine. She did not come off as whiny to me. She's stiff and not a great interviewer, and I think she tries too hard when she's interacting with the people she's not friends with (her insisting over and over that she and Roy Choi are both "LA kids" was pretty silly to me). But she didn't even mention the royal family or any of that. I guess her saying the makeup artist knew her "before and during" was a reference to it, but it's not like she said he was with her through this horrible trying time. She could easily have just meant that he knew her back before she met Harry. If she was complaining, it was not overt and I didn't really pick up on it. Maybe she's whiny in interviews with the media, I don't know. But as someone with only a very mild interest in her, but am probably a target demo for her show, I don't get the hate. The show actually has good ideas! I'm doing the one-skillet pasta tonight. I have a super picky eater who hates veggies and I made her some cream cheese and cucumber sandwiches this weekend and used cookie cutters to cut them into hearts and she love them. Could I have gotten these ideas elsewhere? Of course. She's not inventing the wheel here. But I like how she presents ideas and the actual content is pretty good, so either she or her producers are doing a good job with the show. I'm honestly baffled by the hate on here -- if you find her super grating, it would be easy to just not watch. This is the first time I'm seeing her on screen in a focused way since her wedding. The show is decent. It all just seems very unobjectionable.[/quote] But you said you watched the Oprah interview. Were you watching it *unfocused*? [/quote] She said she did not watch the Oprah interview. |
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[quote]But you said you watched the Oprah interview. Were you watching it *unfocused*? [/quote]
You are mixing up posters. I am the person you were replying to and I did not watch the Oprah interview because I don't want stuff like that. The poster above me said she did watch the interview and did find Meghan whiny in it but apparently is not still angry about it several years later, which sounds emotionally healthy to me. |
Anonymous
That also struck me as strange and, frankly, illogical. It probably would have occurred to her that cutting after making the sandwich if she made these more than once. |
Anonymous
Maybe. That's such a basic thing. Even if it was her doing it for the first time, I don't get why they wouldn't just refilm the scene to show them making it the other way. You wouldn't even have to refilm the whole scene -- you could just refilm the closeups and overlay the audio from the first try. In general, the Mindy episode is really weird and I think maybe they were forced to do an episode with Mindy by Netflix and they threw it together super fast. Mindy didn't do any of the crafts with Meghan even though on other episodes the guests do participate in this. Mindy doesn't even help her assemble the whole fruit rainbow thing even though that was insanely easy -- Meghan does it on her own and Mindy just helps with the very last part. I got the sense that they had Mindy for like 2 hours, tops, and they just sort of hurriedly filmed like 4 scenes with her and rushed her out. And maybe they made that episode very last minuet at Netflix's request and that's why the concept is so basic and kind of lame. The recipes and ideas in the other episodes are much better. That episode was like a kid's party thrown by a Utah mom or something. It really doesn't go well with the rest of the show. |
Anonymous
lol. Perfect response, tonally. |
Anonymous
Good for you being a lawyer, but still, you didn’t answer my question. Why are you devoting so much time to this? Why read the thread? Why stand up for someone you only tepidly like? Write your 20 pages about that. I’m really curious now. Personally, there are many posters on here, not just me and I haven’t written pages and pages. As far as the sandwich, I am lower middle class and an immigrants daughter. My mom found US bread to be weird and spongy so we rarely ate it. I find the way you describe her method of sandwich making weird and counter to they way it is usually shown. I am guessing it didn’t work when they had stuff in the sandwiches and looked too messy/the meat or whatever came out or smudged on the edges, so they did it that way instead. However, I am inclined to say she is doing everything for show anyway, not for real life. Feel free to come up with another explanation. |
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You are mixing up posters. I am the person you were replying to and I did not watch the Oprah interview because I don't want stuff like that. The poster above me said she did watch the interview and did find Meghan whiny in it but apparently is not still angry about it several years later, which sounds emotionally healthy to me.[/quote]Yes, that was me. I did watch the Oprah interview and found it a bit whiney, and frankly, sometimes Meghan says things where I'm like "...yeah, okay." I felt like when she told the story of meeting the queen for the first time, she totally glossed over the fact that she was originally supposed to be meeting Andrew and Fergie, of all people. Look, I get that when you have a new bf you want to make him happy and say things like, "No, I don't want to have lunch with your sexual predator uncle and his grifty ex-wife," but it was weird for someone who is such a feminist to have lunch with him. I don't claim that Meghan Markle is perfect, I just claim that the hatred of her is disproportionate to anything she's actually done. And I feel like the goalposts are always moving. You'll (general you, not specific you) claim that she doesn't try hard enough but simultaneously tries too hard, just wants to be liked and admired by other women but also doesn't play well with other women, etc. She can't win and I think it's shitty and dumb. I will be honest I don't think anyone who dislikes her is a racist but I do think some people use the "she hurt the queen and Charles' feewings  " and I think anyone who is American and doing that is patently absurd. I really could not give less of a shit if two rich old aholes who believe they were "deigned by God" to be better than other people had their feelings hurt that a divorced actress thinks curtsying is silly. (Incidentally while I don't believe anyone who dislikes Meghan is racist, I do think a lot of racism and anti-American sentiment played into the British media's coverage of her. I understand that Kate got bad press too but I do think her bad press and Meghan's were completely different.)
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I’ll will add that I am also fascinated by you finding this show interesting and here are my reasons.
- it is just more marketing for capitalism. Did your child’s sandwich have to be a certain shape, or if you involved her in the process of making it, or talked about how you thought of her and made it with love, would it have the same effect. - UMC/MC women seem to think this is how you mother- giving kids the BEST rainbow arranged food. Etc So she ( and many others) are capitalizing on the concept of being a good UMC mom - she shows just how gender filled her world is by staying in the kitchen especially after trying to break down stereotypes so publicly. Yet, you seem to be able to gloss over these points and just enjoy the show mindlessly. As someone who’s family came to this country with very little, I was taught to not take that for granted and it all seems fluffy to me. I am fascinated by your nonchalance about this and am sure “It is just a TV show” has crossed your mind about 80 times while reading this. But it isn’t it is one more lifestyle show created and released just when we need more women to stand up for women’s rights, not just women in the kitchen. So, I await your multi paragraph response with interest. |
Anonymous
I am not the poster you are responding to but this response is very unnecessarily aggro. You seem to be really upset at Meghan for stuff that isn't her fault. I agree that we need more women to stand up for women's rights, but women can be feminists and enjoy throwing parties. I consider myself a feminist and don't like throwing parties (largely because I am bad at it lol), but I think it's misogynist to imply that women can either be feminist OR enjoy adding nice domestic touches to things. I'll also note that when Meghan has tried to stand up for women's rights she's been called fake or been accused of doing it for clout. I think your bit about "UMC women think being a good mother is about giving your kid rainbow food." What on earth? I don't think anyone is feeding their kids rainbow food everyday, socioeconomic status aside. Even Meghan, who is rich and I am sure has household help, says she only does it for special occasions because her kids like it. She never said "If you don't do this you're a bad mom." I also didn't find the show to be gendered? She had male guests cooking. I'm sorry that it sounds like your family struggled after immigrating. But that isn't Meghan's fault, and her not doing a show about baking and crafts wouldn't change your family's story. |
Anonymous
DP. The poster you’re responding to is quite accurate about what the show is about. |