Tell me what we can do about the guns

[Anonymous]

RE: the poster saying "criminals don't follow laws" is a silly argument.

A while back the Washington Post published an analysis of firearm registrations (one example: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/dc-neighborhoods-packing-heat/story?id=12870238).

Turns out that the parts of the city (west of Rock Creek) with the highest number of registered firearms had the lowest levels of crime and the lowest number of shootings. The parts of the city with the lowest number of registered firearms (east of Rock Creek) coincidentally had the highest levels of crime and the highest number of shootings.

Take from this what you will, but it sounds to me like people committing these shootings aren't exactly following DC gun laws. And those residents who are law-abiding gun owners aren't the ones committing crimes.

So would more laws help? Tougher sentences? Tighter regulations? Remember, DC already has some of the most restrictive firearm laws in the country. There's not much more you can do here.

I agree that gun violence is a problem, but the concept of banning guns is a non-starter for so many reasons, aside from the fact it's a constitutionally guaranteed right. The most important one is that there are hundreds of millions of guns in America. Do you honestly think you can confiscate them all? That battle has already been lost.

It's time to stop focusing on the guns and instead focusing on the people doing bad things with them. Providing better/ more available mental health options is a good place to start. So-called "red flag" laws are another. Let's start focusing on the "why" these crimes are being committed and less on the "how."

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Anonymous wrote:Look at Switzerland you guys- lots of guns, but very strict laws: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms_regulation_in_Switzerland

Why can’t we do the same? Why don’t we value life enough to do so?

People in Switzerland have army-issued MACHINE GUNS and ammunition at home.

This is because the problem is not the guns, but the scum of society. Switzerland has a far lower percentage of scum

Is there any evidence that the US just has more “scum?” What do you mean by “scum?”

Well, just look at the crime rate for all other crimes. The crime rate in Switzerland (and most other civilized countries) of all types that do NOT involve guns is already MUCH MUCH lower than in the U.S. The citizens of europe have much lower proclivity towards violence and other types of crime. Take a group of people with a natural proclivity toward crime (united states citizens) and arm them with guns, and you have a problem. Arm decent, law abiding citizens with guns and you do not have a problem. What's the mystery here?

Can you provide where you are getting these crime numbers please? I actually am not sure that the rate of crime in Europe is lower.

Also, given your initial assumption (that there is less crime in Europe), you are making a lot of connections here randomly. How do you know that there are not other conditions in Europe that help facilitate a lower crime rate? Why do you assume that people in the US just have a higher "proclivity" towards crime? That just seems like a lack of coherent thinking. There is no such thing that I know of as a "natural proclivity" towards crime. Can you share your source for that term?

The reason could be something entirely unrelated. Perhaps giving mothers parental leave starts children off better, leading to lower crime. Perhaps the fact that Europeans have better access to healthcare, more vacation time, less poverty, are all contributing factors?

Also, you state that US citizens have a "proclivity" towards violence, and then state that you need to arm them anyway. Do you see how that makes no sense whatsoever?

Where did I state that you need to arm US citizens? By proclivity I am lumping all unknown causal factors into a general tendency. Poor socioeconomic status, absent fathers, broken families, child abuse, drug availability, violent role models, bad schools, the list goes on and on. It's easier to just say that all of these things converge to create inherently violent people that western Europe, for the most part, does not have.

Do you guys realize how incredibly stupid and absurd these arguments sound? Are we supposed to pretend that Europe is some utopia without problems and THAT's why they have less gun violence as opposed to ACTUAL GUN LAWS? Give me a break.

Of course you can't place any blame on murderers, hence your obsession with gun laws and not the proven causes of violent crime.

Again- stupid! This is such a stupid response, I can't even! A murderer with a GUN can kill a lot more people than a murderer with a KNIFE! Why does this need to be explained to you?

Like, when you write something like this, what do you think is going to happen? What do you think people are going to think? "Oh, he's right, it's the person holding the gun who can kill countless more people in mere minutes, not the weapon! I've never thought of this, this pp is a genius!"

First, you should stop calling people stupid simply because you disagree with them. It is vulgar and puerile and labels you as uncouth.

Second, you vastly underestimate the lethality of edged weapons in a multi-victim scenario, as multiple events demonstrate.

Third, without going into detail, there are numerous ways for the ill-intentioned to victimize multiple people.

Finally, the criminal misuse of firearms does not justify depriving decent people (and all too often minorities and the poor) of the efficacious means of self defense, which is a natural right.

The person isn’t stupid, the response is. Just like your disingenuous response claiming I am “underestimating” the lethality of “edged weapons.” Give me a f***** break.

Look up a few of the incidents in Europe and Asia with mass stabbings. If you have a strong stomach, look up some pictures of knife wounds. You’ll find out why police are trained to shoot an assailant who has a knife and is within 21 feet.

Wait I thought Europe and Asia are utopias without violent people?? Are you saying there are criminals in those countries now?

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I kind of think the U.S. is doomed. The writing is on the wall, we’re a nation in decline. We couldn’t even mobilize after Sandy Hook.

The solution is to leave.

Clearly America is under attack. But where do you suggest one moves? Australia? The no gun country that’s like a prison? China with the social credit overreach totalitarian state? Both with no guns.

There is a gun issue here. But people are naive, criminals don’t follow laws or pay taxes. What happens in countries where things are banned like alcohol etc it creates a black market for things. So no the gun issue won’t be resolved. A class maybe for kids on respecting guns instead of making them so taboo would help for kids getting ahold of gun. But it won’t stop general crime at all. And no POC friendly stuff either, because again criminals don’t care. Also there are people who use to be sent to insane asylums because they had bad mental health issues. Not anxiety or whatever most sahms suffer. Legit killer types who have no remorse. Right now we care so much. That we give to big organizations and host crappy seminars to help people feel better. People die all the time of unfortunate things. Remember the building collapses in Miami? Floods, explosions, asbestos and more. We have no real control over things. Taxes so we can have the taliban have our guns! No thanks. Again the naive thinking arrives.

Hold up.

There are actually people who think Australia is “like a prison?”

This is the level pro gun people are operating at, y’all.

Australia actually made gun laws in response to mass shootings and no longer has mass shootings.

Is that a “prison?” Why, because their children don’t have to do mass shooter drills at school? Because they have better health insurance? Who is living in a prison here?

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Eh, Australia was literally founded as a prison. A penal colony to exile the UK’s criminals to. These white criminals soon nearly exterminated the Indigenous People of Australia. So it’s an absurd comparison to compare the US and Australia because the US is much more diverse racially.

Also, the Australian govt is regarded as a Nanny State. Look at the protests going on right now over covid lockdowns.

So yeah, I’d call Australia a prison. Gold bars perhaps. But still a prison.

[Anonymous]

Another night and another shooting in NW.
Will there be an end?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Another night and another shooting in NW.
Will there be an end?

Send us the background on the shooter and victim please. Let’s start a catalog and focus on the shooters and not the tool.

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Anonymous wrote:Another night and another shooting in NW.
Will there be an end?

Send us the background on the shooter and victim please. Let’s start a catalog and focus on the shooters and not the tool.

There is no mention of any information you asked. Three were dead and some are in hospital.
According to NBC4, a honda car stopped on the road, gunman started shooting to a crowd.
That was it.
No video, no photo.
Targeted? Random?
Better stay home after dark in NW.

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Anonymous wrote:Another night and another shooting in NW.
Will there be an end?

Send us the background on the shooter and victim please. Let’s start a catalog and focus on the shooters and not the tool.

There is no mention of any information you asked. Three were dead and some are in hospital.
According to NBC4, a honda car stopped on the road, gunman started shooting to a crowd.
That was it.
No video, no photo.
Targeted? Random?
Better stay home after dark in NW.

Of course not: this is the one topic where those obsessed with identifying and generalizing about "identities" is verboten.

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Anonymous wrote:Another night and another shooting in NW.
Will there be an end?

Send us the background on the shooter and victim please. Let’s start a catalog and focus on the shooters and not the tool.

There is no mention of any information you asked. Three were dead and some are in hospital.
According to NBC4, a honda car stopped on the road, gunman started shooting to a crowd.
That was it.
No video, no photo.
Targeted? Random?
Better stay home after dark in NW.

Sounds like the victim’s families should be able to bring a massive lawsuit against Honda to force them out of business. One of their cars was used in this crime, so they’re clearly responsible.

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Anonymous wrote:Another night and another shooting in NW.
Will there be an end?

Send us the background on the shooter and victim please. Let’s start a catalog and focus on the shooters and not the tool.

There is no mention of any information you asked. Three were dead and some are in hospital.
According to NBC4, a honda car stopped on the road, gunman started shooting to a crowd.
That was it.
No video, no photo.
Targeted? Random?
Better stay home after dark in NW.

Sounds like the victim’s families should be able to bring a massive lawsuit against Honda to force them out of business. One of their cars was used in this crime, so they’re clearly responsible.

Cars= necessary tool for living

Guns= only necessary to kill people or animals

Why do we have to trudge through these same stupid arguments over and over again. They are so trite and third grade level.

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Anonymous wrote:Another night and another shooting in NW.
Will there be an end?

Send us the background on the shooter and victim please. Let’s start a catalog and focus on the shooters and not the tool.

There is no mention of any information you asked. Three were dead and some are in hospital.
According to NBC4, a honda car stopped on the road, gunman started shooting to a crowd.
That was it.
No video, no photo.
Targeted? Random?
Better stay home after dark in NW.

Sounds like the victim’s families should be able to bring a massive lawsuit against Honda to force them out of business. One of their cars was used in this crime, so they’re clearly responsible.

Cars= necessary tool for living

Guns= only necessary to kill people or animals

Why do we have to trudge through these same stupid arguments over and over again. They are so trite and third grade level.

Cars a necessary tool for living? No, they are not. Plenty live without one. Weapons were created long before the wheel and motorized vehicles and have been helping people to live (hunt) and stay alive (protect self, family, tribe) for thousands of years. Try again third grader.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A child from my daughter's school was murdered on Tuesday. Just sitting in his apartment, playing video games, shot in the head by a random bullet from gunfire outside his apartment.

His mother, mourning her child right now- that could be me. That could be you. We can play pretend, oh I don't live in one of those apartment complexes, that's where all this stuff happens, I live in a "nice" neighborhood, I live on a cul-de-sac, I live in Bethesda, whatever. The median income in Newtown, where Sandy Hook happened: $127,602. Who are we kidding? The HHI y'all love so darn much can't insulate you from this; this can happen anywhere now.

I can't wait anymore, it's time. This was more than close enough to home for me. Tell me what to do. I will follow you, I will follow anyone with a plan.

I'm not going to debate guns. You can't tell me someone is going to throw a knife into a random child's home and kill them while they eat dinner. Guns are the problem. Enough is enough.

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/child-shot-in-prince-georges-county-police-say/2782491/

Easy--move to areas where guns are illegal/laws make it hard to get them.

[Anonymous]

If you are anti-gun regulation and cheered the Supreme Court's failure to uphold Roe V. Wade last week, I hope you realize that what goes around, comes around.

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Anonymous wrote:Another night and another shooting in NW.
Will there be an end?

Send us the background on the shooter and victim please. Let’s start a catalog and focus on the shooters and not the tool.

There is no mention of any information you asked. Three were dead and some are in hospital.
According to NBC4, a honda car stopped on the road, gunman started shooting to a crowd.
That was it.
No video, no photo.
Targeted? Random?
Better stay home after dark in NW.

Sounds like the victim’s families should be able to bring a massive lawsuit against Honda to force them out of business. One of their cars was used in this crime, so they’re clearly responsible.

Cars= necessary tool for living

Guns= only necessary to kill people or animals

Why do we have to trudge through these same stupid arguments over and over again. They are so trite and third grade level.

Cars a necessary tool for living? No, they are not. Plenty live without one. Weapons were created long before the wheel and motorized vehicles and have been helping people to live (hunt) and stay alive (protect self, family, tribe) for thousands of years. Try again third grader.

No.

That is not an effective argument for guns. Female genital mutilation also existed before cars. Nor does anyone want to ban hunting rifles.

You are not some vigilante protecting your home. Your gun is statistically most likely to kill you or someone you love, not an enemy or intruder. You are not some brave warrior protecting your castle. Please, grow up!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you are anti-gun regulation and cheered the Supreme Court's failure to uphold Roe V. Wade last week, I hope you realize that what goes around, comes around.

Can you please explain why gun registration is such a holy grail? Because the research doesn’t support it as either a crime reducer or a crime solver.