Tell me what we can do about the guns

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Anonymous wrote:Look at Switzerland you guys- lots of guns, but very strict laws: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms_regulation_in_Switzerland

Why can’t we do the same? Why don’t we value life enough to do so?

People in Switzerland have army-issued MACHINE GUNS and ammunition at home.

This is because the problem is not the guns, but the scum of society. Switzerland has a far lower percentage of scum

Is there any evidence that the US just has more “scum?” What do you mean by “scum?”

Well, just look at the crime rate for all other crimes. The crime rate in Switzerland (and most other civilized countries) of all types that do NOT involve guns is already MUCH MUCH lower than in the U.S. The citizens of europe have much lower proclivity towards violence and other types of crime. Take a group of people with a natural proclivity toward crime (united states citizens) and arm them with guns, and you have a problem. Arm decent, law abiding citizens with guns and you do not have a problem. What's the mystery here?

Can you provide where you are getting these crime numbers please? I actually am not sure that the rate of crime in Europe is lower.

Also, given your initial assumption (that there is less crime in Europe), you are making a lot of connections here randomly. How do you know that there are not other conditions in Europe that help facilitate a lower crime rate? Why do you assume that people in the US just have a higher "proclivity" towards crime? That just seems like a lack of coherent thinking. There is no such thing that I know of as a "natural proclivity" towards crime. Can you share your source for that term?

The reason could be something entirely unrelated. Perhaps giving mothers parental leave starts children off better, leading to lower crime. Perhaps the fact that Europeans have better access to healthcare, more vacation time, less poverty, are all contributing factors?

Also, you state that US citizens have a "proclivity" towards violence, and then state that you need to arm them anyway. Do you see how that makes no sense whatsoever?

Where did I state that you need to arm US citizens? By proclivity I am lumping all unknown causal factors into a general tendency. Poor socioeconomic status, absent fathers, broken families, child abuse, drug availability, violent role models, bad schools, the list goes on and on. It's easier to just say that all of these things converge to create inherently violent people that western Europe, for the most part, does not have.

Do you guys realize how incredibly stupid and absurd these arguments sound? Are we supposed to pretend that Europe is some utopia without problems and THAT's why they have less gun violence as opposed to ACTUAL GUN LAWS? Give me a break.

Of course you can't place any blame on murderers, hence your obsession with gun laws and not the proven causes of violent crime.

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Anonymous wrote:Look at Switzerland you guys- lots of guns, but very strict laws: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms_regulation_in_Switzerland

Why can’t we do the same? Why don’t we value life enough to do so?

People in Switzerland have army-issued MACHINE GUNS and ammunition at home.

This is because the problem is not the guns, but the scum of society. Switzerland has a far lower percentage of scum

Is there any evidence that the US just has more “scum?” What do you mean by “scum?”

Well, just look at the crime rate for all other crimes. The crime rate in Switzerland (and most other civilized countries) of all types that do NOT involve guns is already MUCH MUCH lower than in the U.S. The citizens of europe have much lower proclivity towards violence and other types of crime. Take a group of people with a natural proclivity toward crime (united states citizens) and arm them with guns, and you have a problem. Arm decent, law abiding citizens with guns and you do not have a problem. What's the mystery here?

Can you provide where you are getting these crime numbers please? I actually am not sure that the rate of crime in Europe is lower.

Also, given your initial assumption (that there is less crime in Europe), you are making a lot of connections here randomly. How do you know that there are not other conditions in Europe that help facilitate a lower crime rate? Why do you assume that people in the US just have a higher "proclivity" towards crime? That just seems like a lack of coherent thinking. There is no such thing that I know of as a "natural proclivity" towards crime. Can you share your source for that term?

The reason could be something entirely unrelated. Perhaps giving mothers parental leave starts children off better, leading to lower crime. Perhaps the fact that Europeans have better access to healthcare, more vacation time, less poverty, are all contributing factors?

Also, you state that US citizens have a "proclivity" towards violence, and then state that you need to arm them anyway. Do you see how that makes no sense whatsoever?

Where did I state that you need to arm US citizens? By proclivity I am lumping all unknown causal factors into a general tendency. Poor socioeconomic status, absent fathers, broken families, child abuse, drug availability, violent role models, bad schools, the list goes on and on. It's easier to just say that all of these things converge to create inherently violent people that western Europe, for the most part, does not have.

Do you guys realize how incredibly stupid and absurd these arguments sound? Are we supposed to pretend that Europe is some utopia without problems and THAT's why they have less gun violence as opposed to ACTUAL GUN LAWS? Give me a break.

Of course you can't place any blame on murderers, hence your obsession with gun laws and not the proven causes of violent crime.

Again- stupid! This is such a stupid response, I can't even! A murderer with a GUN can kill a lot more people than a murderer with a KNIFE! Why does this need to be explained to you?

Like, when you write something like this, what do you think is going to happen? What do you think people are going to think? "Oh, he's right, it's the person holding the gun who can kill countless more people in mere minutes, not the weapon! I've never thought of this, this pp is a genius!"

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Anonymous wrote:Look at Switzerland you guys- lots of guns, but very strict laws: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms_regulation_in_Switzerland

Why can’t we do the same? Why don’t we value life enough to do so?

People in Switzerland have army-issued MACHINE GUNS and ammunition at home.

This is because the problem is not the guns, but the scum of society. Switzerland has a far lower percentage of scum

Is there any evidence that the US just has more “scum?” What do you mean by “scum?”

Well, just look at the crime rate for all other crimes. The crime rate in Switzerland (and most other civilized countries) of all types that do NOT involve guns is already MUCH MUCH lower than in the U.S. The citizens of europe have much lower proclivity towards violence and other types of crime. Take a group of people with a natural proclivity toward crime (united states citizens) and arm them with guns, and you have a problem. Arm decent, law abiding citizens with guns and you do not have a problem. What's the mystery here?

Can you provide where you are getting these crime numbers please? I actually am not sure that the rate of crime in Europe is lower.

Also, given your initial assumption (that there is less crime in Europe), you are making a lot of connections here randomly. How do you know that there are not other conditions in Europe that help facilitate a lower crime rate? Why do you assume that people in the US just have a higher "proclivity" towards crime? That just seems like a lack of coherent thinking. There is no such thing that I know of as a "natural proclivity" towards crime. Can you share your source for that term?

The reason could be something entirely unrelated. Perhaps giving mothers parental leave starts children off better, leading to lower crime. Perhaps the fact that Europeans have better access to healthcare, more vacation time, less poverty, are all contributing factors?

Also, you state that US citizens have a "proclivity" towards violence, and then state that you need to arm them anyway. Do you see how that makes no sense whatsoever?

Where did I state that you need to arm US citizens? By proclivity I am lumping all unknown causal factors into a general tendency. Poor socioeconomic status, absent fathers, broken families, child abuse, drug availability, violent role models, bad schools, the list goes on and on. It's easier to just say that all of these things converge to create inherently violent people that western Europe, for the most part, does not have.

Do you guys realize how incredibly stupid and absurd these arguments sound? Are we supposed to pretend that Europe is some utopia without problems and THAT's why they have less gun violence as opposed to ACTUAL GUN LAWS? Give me a break.

Of course you can't place any blame on murderers, hence your obsession with gun laws and not the proven causes of violent crime.

Again- stupid! This is such a stupid response, I can't even! A murderer with a GUN can kill a lot more people than a murderer with a KNIFE! Why does this need to be explained to you?

Like, when you write something like this, what do you think is going to happen? What do you think people are going to think? "Oh, he's right, it's the person holding the gun who can kill countless more people in mere minutes, not the weapon! I've never thought of this, this pp is a genius!"

First, you should stop calling people stupid simply because you disagree with them. It is vulgar and puerile and labels you as uncouth.

Second, you vastly underestimate the lethality of edged weapons in a multi-victim scenario, as multiple events demonstrate.

Third, without going into detail, there are numerous ways for the ill-intentioned to victimize multiple people.

Finally, the criminal misuse of firearms does not justify depriving decent people (and all too often minorities and the poor) of the efficacious means of self defense, which is a natural right.

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Anonymous wrote:Look at Switzerland you guys- lots of guns, but very strict laws: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms_regulation_in_Switzerland

Why can’t we do the same? Why don’t we value life enough to do so?

People in Switzerland have army-issued MACHINE GUNS and ammunition at home.

This is because the problem is not the guns, but the scum of society. Switzerland has a far lower percentage of scum

Is there any evidence that the US just has more “scum?” What do you mean by “scum?”

Well, just look at the crime rate for all other crimes. The crime rate in Switzerland (and most other civilized countries) of all types that do NOT involve guns is already MUCH MUCH lower than in the U.S. The citizens of europe have much lower proclivity towards violence and other types of crime. Take a group of people with a natural proclivity toward crime (united states citizens) and arm them with guns, and you have a problem. Arm decent, law abiding citizens with guns and you do not have a problem. What's the mystery here?

Can you provide where you are getting these crime numbers please? I actually am not sure that the rate of crime in Europe is lower.

Also, given your initial assumption (that there is less crime in Europe), you are making a lot of connections here randomly. How do you know that there are not other conditions in Europe that help facilitate a lower crime rate? Why do you assume that people in the US just have a higher "proclivity" towards crime? That just seems like a lack of coherent thinking. There is no such thing that I know of as a "natural proclivity" towards crime. Can you share your source for that term?

The reason could be something entirely unrelated. Perhaps giving mothers parental leave starts children off better, leading to lower crime. Perhaps the fact that Europeans have better access to healthcare, more vacation time, less poverty, are all contributing factors?

Also, you state that US citizens have a "proclivity" towards violence, and then state that you need to arm them anyway. Do you see how that makes no sense whatsoever?

Where did I state that you need to arm US citizens? By proclivity I am lumping all unknown causal factors into a general tendency. Poor socioeconomic status, absent fathers, broken families, child abuse, drug availability, violent role models, bad schools, the list goes on and on. It's easier to just say that all of these things converge to create inherently violent people that western Europe, for the most part, does not have.

Do you guys realize how incredibly stupid and absurd these arguments sound? Are we supposed to pretend that Europe is some utopia without problems and THAT's why they have less gun violence as opposed to ACTUAL GUN LAWS? Give me a break.

Of course you can't place any blame on murderers, hence your obsession with gun laws and not the proven causes of violent crime.

Again- stupid! This is such a stupid response, I can't even! A murderer with a GUN can kill a lot more people than a murderer with a KNIFE! Why does this need to be explained to you?

Like, when you write something like this, what do you think is going to happen? What do you think people are going to think? "Oh, he's right, it's the person holding the gun who can kill countless more people in mere minutes, not the weapon! I've never thought of this, this pp is a genius!"

NP. How am I supposed to defend myself against someone holding a gun when all you want me to use is a knife?

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Anonymous wrote:Look at Switzerland you guys- lots of guns, but very strict laws: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms_regulation_in_Switzerland

Why can’t we do the same? Why don’t we value life enough to do so?

People in Switzerland have army-issued MACHINE GUNS and ammunition at home.

This is because the problem is not the guns, but the scum of society. Switzerland has a far lower percentage of scum

Is there any evidence that the US just has more “scum?” What do you mean by “scum?”

Well, just look at the crime rate for all other crimes. The crime rate in Switzerland (and most other civilized countries) of all types that do NOT involve guns is already MUCH MUCH lower than in the U.S. The citizens of europe have much lower proclivity towards violence and other types of crime. Take a group of people with a natural proclivity toward crime (united states citizens) and arm them with guns, and you have a problem. Arm decent, law abiding citizens with guns and you do not have a problem. What's the mystery here?

Can you provide where you are getting these crime numbers please? I actually am not sure that the rate of crime in Europe is lower.

Also, given your initial assumption (that there is less crime in Europe), you are making a lot of connections here randomly. How do you know that there are not other conditions in Europe that help facilitate a lower crime rate? Why do you assume that people in the US just have a higher "proclivity" towards crime? That just seems like a lack of coherent thinking. There is no such thing that I know of as a "natural proclivity" towards crime. Can you share your source for that term?

The reason could be something entirely unrelated. Perhaps giving mothers parental leave starts children off better, leading to lower crime. Perhaps the fact that Europeans have better access to healthcare, more vacation time, less poverty, are all contributing factors?

Also, you state that US citizens have a "proclivity" towards violence, and then state that you need to arm them anyway. Do you see how that makes no sense whatsoever?

Where did I state that you need to arm US citizens? By proclivity I am lumping all unknown causal factors into a general tendency. Poor socioeconomic status, absent fathers, broken families, child abuse, drug availability, violent role models, bad schools, the list goes on and on. It's easier to just say that all of these things converge to create inherently violent people that western Europe, for the most part, does not have.

Do you guys realize how incredibly stupid and absurd these arguments sound? Are we supposed to pretend that Europe is some utopia without problems and THAT's why they have less gun violence as opposed to ACTUAL GUN LAWS? Give me a break.

Have...you ever lived in Europe? Because I lived in three different western european countries and absolutely, yes, they do not have nearly the problems on ANY of those dimensions that PP mentioned. To deny the causal relationship between those factors and crime is a display of ignorance

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Anonymous wrote:Look at Switzerland you guys- lots of guns, but very strict laws: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms_regulation_in_Switzerland

Why can’t we do the same? Why don’t we value life enough to do so?

People in Switzerland have army-issued MACHINE GUNS and ammunition at home.

This is because the problem is not the guns, but the scum of society. Switzerland has a far lower percentage of scum

Is there any evidence that the US just has more “scum?” What do you mean by “scum?”

Well, just look at the crime rate for all other crimes. The crime rate in Switzerland (and most other civilized countries) of all types that do NOT involve guns is already MUCH MUCH lower than in the U.S. The citizens of europe have much lower proclivity towards violence and other types of crime. Take a group of people with a natural proclivity toward crime (united states citizens) and arm them with guns, and you have a problem. Arm decent, law abiding citizens with guns and you do not have a problem. What's the mystery here?

Can you provide where you are getting these crime numbers please? I actually am not sure that the rate of crime in Europe is lower.

Also, given your initial assumption (that there is less crime in Europe), you are making a lot of connections here randomly. How do you know that there are not other conditions in Europe that help facilitate a lower crime rate? Why do you assume that people in the US just have a higher "proclivity" towards crime? That just seems like a lack of coherent thinking. There is no such thing that I know of as a "natural proclivity" towards crime. Can you share your source for that term?

The reason could be something entirely unrelated. Perhaps giving mothers parental leave starts children off better, leading to lower crime. Perhaps the fact that Europeans have better access to healthcare, more vacation time, less poverty, are all contributing factors?

Also, you state that US citizens have a "proclivity" towards violence, and then state that you need to arm them anyway. Do you see how that makes no sense whatsoever?

Where did I state that you need to arm US citizens? By proclivity I am lumping all unknown causal factors into a general tendency. Poor socioeconomic status, absent fathers, broken families, child abuse, drug availability, violent role models, bad schools, the list goes on and on. It's easier to just say that all of these things converge to create inherently violent people that western Europe, for the most part, does not have.

Do you guys realize how incredibly stupid and absurd these arguments sound? Are we supposed to pretend that Europe is some utopia without problems and THAT's why they have less gun violence as opposed to ACTUAL GUN LAWS? Give me a break.

Of course you can't place any blame on murderers, hence your obsession with gun laws and not the proven causes of violent crime.

Again- stupid! This is such a stupid response, I can't even! A murderer with a GUN can kill a lot more people than a murderer with a KNIFE! Why does this need to be explained to you?

Like, when you write something like this, what do you think is going to happen? What do you think people are going to think? "Oh, he's right, it's the person holding the gun who can kill countless more people in mere minutes, not the weapon! I've never thought of this, this pp is a genius!"

NP. How am I supposed to defend myself against someone holding a gun when all you want me to use is a knife?

Further, when layer after layer of gun laws fails to reduce crime and violence, the call will change to “knife control,” with butter knives and kitchen scissors on display boards of “deadly weapons” and “surrender” boxes on every corner.

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Anonymous wrote:Look at Switzerland you guys- lots of guns, but very strict laws: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms_regulation_in_Switzerland

Why can’t we do the same? Why don’t we value life enough to do so?

People in Switzerland have army-issued MACHINE GUNS and ammunition at home.

This is because the problem is not the guns, but the scum of society. Switzerland has a far lower percentage of scum

Is there any evidence that the US just has more “scum?” What do you mean by “scum?”

Well, just look at the crime rate for all other crimes. The crime rate in Switzerland (and most other civilized countries) of all types that do NOT involve guns is already MUCH MUCH lower than in the U.S. The citizens of europe have much lower proclivity towards violence and other types of crime. Take a group of people with a natural proclivity toward crime (united states citizens) and arm them with guns, and you have a problem. Arm decent, law abiding citizens with guns and you do not have a problem. What's the mystery here?

Can you provide where you are getting these crime numbers please? I actually am not sure that the rate of crime in Europe is lower.

Also, given your initial assumption (that there is less crime in Europe), you are making a lot of connections here randomly. How do you know that there are not other conditions in Europe that help facilitate a lower crime rate? Why do you assume that people in the US just have a higher "proclivity" towards crime? That just seems like a lack of coherent thinking. There is no such thing that I know of as a "natural proclivity" towards crime. Can you share your source for that term?

The reason could be something entirely unrelated. Perhaps giving mothers parental leave starts children off better, leading to lower crime. Perhaps the fact that Europeans have better access to healthcare, more vacation time, less poverty, are all contributing factors?

Also, you state that US citizens have a "proclivity" towards violence, and then state that you need to arm them anyway. Do you see how that makes no sense whatsoever?

Where did I state that you need to arm US citizens? By proclivity I am lumping all unknown causal factors into a general tendency. Poor socioeconomic status, absent fathers, broken families, child abuse, drug availability, violent role models, bad schools, the list goes on and on. It's easier to just say that all of these things converge to create inherently violent people that western Europe, for the most part, does not have.

Do you guys realize how incredibly stupid and absurd these arguments sound? Are we supposed to pretend that Europe is some utopia without problems and THAT's why they have less gun violence as opposed to ACTUAL GUN LAWS? Give me a break.

Of course you can't place any blame on murderers, hence your obsession with gun laws and not the proven causes of violent crime.

Again- stupid! This is such a stupid response, I can't even! A murderer with a GUN can kill a lot more people than a murderer with a KNIFE! Why does this need to be explained to you?

Like, when you write something like this, what do you think is going to happen? What do you think people are going to think? "Oh, he's right, it's the person holding the gun who can kill countless more people in mere minutes, not the weapon! I've never thought of this, this pp is a genius!"

You could murder more people with a few bike locks and a milk jug full of gasoline than you could ever hope to kill with a gun.

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Anonymous wrote:Look at Switzerland you guys- lots of guns, but very strict laws: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms_regulation_in_Switzerland

Why can’t we do the same? Why don’t we value life enough to do so?

People in Switzerland have army-issued MACHINE GUNS and ammunition at home.

This is because the problem is not the guns, but the scum of society. Switzerland has a far lower percentage of scum

Is there any evidence that the US just has more “scum?” What do you mean by “scum?”

Well, just look at the crime rate for all other crimes. The crime rate in Switzerland (and most other civilized countries) of all types that do NOT involve guns is already MUCH MUCH lower than in the U.S. The citizens of europe have much lower proclivity towards violence and other types of crime. Take a group of people with a natural proclivity toward crime (united states citizens) and arm them with guns, and you have a problem. Arm decent, law abiding citizens with guns and you do not have a problem. What's the mystery here?

Can you provide where you are getting these crime numbers please? I actually am not sure that the rate of crime in Europe is lower.

Also, given your initial assumption (that there is less crime in Europe), you are making a lot of connections here randomly. How do you know that there are not other conditions in Europe that help facilitate a lower crime rate? Why do you assume that people in the US just have a higher "proclivity" towards crime? That just seems like a lack of coherent thinking. There is no such thing that I know of as a "natural proclivity" towards crime. Can you share your source for that term?

The reason could be something entirely unrelated. Perhaps giving mothers parental leave starts children off better, leading to lower crime. Perhaps the fact that Europeans have better access to healthcare, more vacation time, less poverty, are all contributing factors?

Also, you state that US citizens have a "proclivity" towards violence, and then state that you need to arm them anyway. Do you see how that makes no sense whatsoever?

Where did I state that you need to arm US citizens? By proclivity I am lumping all unknown causal factors into a general tendency. Poor socioeconomic status, absent fathers, broken families, child abuse, drug availability, violent role models, bad schools, the list goes on and on. It's easier to just say that all of these things converge to create inherently violent people that western Europe, for the most part, does not have.

Do you guys realize how incredibly stupid and absurd these arguments sound? Are we supposed to pretend that Europe is some utopia without problems and THAT's why they have less gun violence as opposed to ACTUAL GUN LAWS? Give me a break.

Of course you can't place any blame on murderers, hence your obsession with gun laws and not the proven causes of violent crime.

Again- stupid! This is such a stupid response, I can't even! A murderer with a GUN can kill a lot more people than a murderer with a KNIFE! Why does this need to be explained to you?

Like, when you write something like this, what do you think is going to happen? What do you think people are going to think? "Oh, he's right, it's the person holding the gun who can kill countless more people in mere minutes, not the weapon! I've never thought of this, this pp is a genius!"

That's interesting because every other house in my neighborhood has an arsenal and nobody is going around playing gang banger games.

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Anonymous wrote:Look at Switzerland you guys- lots of guns, but very strict laws: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms_regulation_in_Switzerland

Why can’t we do the same? Why don’t we value life enough to do so?

People in Switzerland have army-issued MACHINE GUNS and ammunition at home.

This is because the problem is not the guns, but the scum of society. Switzerland has a far lower percentage of scum

Is there any evidence that the US just has more “scum?” What do you mean by “scum?”

Well, just look at the crime rate for all other crimes. The crime rate in Switzerland (and most other civilized countries) of all types that do NOT involve guns is already MUCH MUCH lower than in the U.S. The citizens of europe have much lower proclivity towards violence and other types of crime. Take a group of people with a natural proclivity toward crime (united states citizens) and arm them with guns, and you have a problem. Arm decent, law abiding citizens with guns and you do not have a problem. What's the mystery here?

Can you provide where you are getting these crime numbers please? I actually am not sure that the rate of crime in Europe is lower.

Also, given your initial assumption (that there is less crime in Europe), you are making a lot of connections here randomly. How do you know that there are not other conditions in Europe that help facilitate a lower crime rate? Why do you assume that people in the US just have a higher "proclivity" towards crime? That just seems like a lack of coherent thinking. There is no such thing that I know of as a "natural proclivity" towards crime. Can you share your source for that term?

The reason could be something entirely unrelated. Perhaps giving mothers parental leave starts children off better, leading to lower crime. Perhaps the fact that Europeans have better access to healthcare, more vacation time, less poverty, are all contributing factors?

Also, you state that US citizens have a "proclivity" towards violence, and then state that you need to arm them anyway. Do you see how that makes no sense whatsoever?

Where did I state that you need to arm US citizens? By proclivity I am lumping all unknown causal factors into a general tendency. Poor socioeconomic status, absent fathers, broken families, child abuse, drug availability, violent role models, bad schools, the list goes on and on. It's easier to just say that all of these things converge to create inherently violent people that western Europe, for the most part, does not have.

Do you guys realize how incredibly stupid and absurd these arguments sound? Are we supposed to pretend that Europe is some utopia without problems and THAT's why they have less gun violence as opposed to ACTUAL GUN LAWS? Give me a break.

Of course you can't place any blame on murderers, hence your obsession with gun laws and not the proven causes of violent crime.

Again- stupid! This is such a stupid response, I can't even! A murderer with a GUN can kill a lot more people than a murderer with a KNIFE! Why does this need to be explained to you?

Like, when you write something like this, what do you think is going to happen? What do you think people are going to think? "Oh, he's right, it's the person holding the gun who can kill countless more people in mere minutes, not the weapon! I've never thought of this, this pp is a genius!"

That's interesting because every other house in my neighborhood has an arsenal and nobody is going around playing gang banger games.

Really? I know someone who had an Arsenal in an area with very little gun violence, and it was stolen. Now who knows where the guns are or who is using them.

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Anonymous wrote:Look at Switzerland you guys- lots of guns, but very strict laws: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms_regulation_in_Switzerland

Why can’t we do the same? Why don’t we value life enough to do so?

People in Switzerland have army-issued MACHINE GUNS and ammunition at home.

This is because the problem is not the guns, but the scum of society. Switzerland has a far lower percentage of scum

Is there any evidence that the US just has more “scum?” What do you mean by “scum?”

Well, just look at the crime rate for all other crimes. The crime rate in Switzerland (and most other civilized countries) of all types that do NOT involve guns is already MUCH MUCH lower than in the U.S. The citizens of europe have much lower proclivity towards violence and other types of crime. Take a group of people with a natural proclivity toward crime (united states citizens) and arm them with guns, and you have a problem. Arm decent, law abiding citizens with guns and you do not have a problem. What's the mystery here?

Can you provide where you are getting these crime numbers please? I actually am not sure that the rate of crime in Europe is lower.

Also, given your initial assumption (that there is less crime in Europe), you are making a lot of connections here randomly. How do you know that there are not other conditions in Europe that help facilitate a lower crime rate? Why do you assume that people in the US just have a higher "proclivity" towards crime? That just seems like a lack of coherent thinking. There is no such thing that I know of as a "natural proclivity" towards crime. Can you share your source for that term?

The reason could be something entirely unrelated. Perhaps giving mothers parental leave starts children off better, leading to lower crime. Perhaps the fact that Europeans have better access to healthcare, more vacation time, less poverty, are all contributing factors?

Also, you state that US citizens have a "proclivity" towards violence, and then state that you need to arm them anyway. Do you see how that makes no sense whatsoever?

Where did I state that you need to arm US citizens? By proclivity I am lumping all unknown causal factors into a general tendency. Poor socioeconomic status, absent fathers, broken families, child abuse, drug availability, violent role models, bad schools, the list goes on and on. It's easier to just say that all of these things converge to create inherently violent people that western Europe, for the most part, does not have.

Do you guys realize how incredibly stupid and absurd these arguments sound? Are we supposed to pretend that Europe is some utopia without problems and THAT's why they have less gun violence as opposed to ACTUAL GUN LAWS? Give me a break.

Of course you can't place any blame on murderers, hence your obsession with gun laws and not the proven causes of violent crime.

Again- stupid! This is such a stupid response, I can't even! A murderer with a GUN can kill a lot more people than a murderer with a KNIFE! Why does this need to be explained to you?

Like, when you write something like this, what do you think is going to happen? What do you think people are going to think? "Oh, he's right, it's the person holding the gun who can kill countless more people in mere minutes, not the weapon! I've never thought of this, this pp is a genius!"

You could murder more people with a few bike locks and a milk jug full of gasoline than you could ever hope to kill with a gun.

Can you give me some statistics please on arson vs. gun crime? Thx so much 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

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Anonymous wrote:Look at Switzerland you guys- lots of guns, but very strict laws: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms_regulation_in_Switzerland

Why can’t we do the same? Why don’t we value life enough to do so?

People in Switzerland have army-issued MACHINE GUNS and ammunition at home.

This is because the problem is not the guns, but the scum of society. Switzerland has a far lower percentage of scum

Is there any evidence that the US just has more “scum?” What do you mean by “scum?”

Well, just look at the crime rate for all other crimes. The crime rate in Switzerland (and most other civilized countries) of all types that do NOT involve guns is already MUCH MUCH lower than in the U.S. The citizens of europe have much lower proclivity towards violence and other types of crime. Take a group of people with a natural proclivity toward crime (united states citizens) and arm them with guns, and you have a problem. Arm decent, law abiding citizens with guns and you do not have a problem. What's the mystery here?

Can you provide where you are getting these crime numbers please? I actually am not sure that the rate of crime in Europe is lower.

Also, given your initial assumption (that there is less crime in Europe), you are making a lot of connections here randomly. How do you know that there are not other conditions in Europe that help facilitate a lower crime rate? Why do you assume that people in the US just have a higher "proclivity" towards crime? That just seems like a lack of coherent thinking. There is no such thing that I know of as a "natural proclivity" towards crime. Can you share your source for that term?

The reason could be something entirely unrelated. Perhaps giving mothers parental leave starts children off better, leading to lower crime. Perhaps the fact that Europeans have better access to healthcare, more vacation time, less poverty, are all contributing factors?

Also, you state that US citizens have a "proclivity" towards violence, and then state that you need to arm them anyway. Do you see how that makes no sense whatsoever?

Where did I state that you need to arm US citizens? By proclivity I am lumping all unknown causal factors into a general tendency. Poor socioeconomic status, absent fathers, broken families, child abuse, drug availability, violent role models, bad schools, the list goes on and on. It's easier to just say that all of these things converge to create inherently violent people that western Europe, for the most part, does not have.

Do you guys realize how incredibly stupid and absurd these arguments sound? Are we supposed to pretend that Europe is some utopia without problems and THAT's why they have less gun violence as opposed to ACTUAL GUN LAWS? Give me a break.

Of course you can't place any blame on murderers, hence your obsession with gun laws and not the proven causes of violent crime.

Again- stupid! This is such a stupid response, I can't even! A murderer with a GUN can kill a lot more people than a murderer with a KNIFE! Why does this need to be explained to you?

Like, when you write something like this, what do you think is going to happen? What do you think people are going to think? "Oh, he's right, it's the person holding the gun who can kill countless more people in mere minutes, not the weapon! I've never thought of this, this pp is a genius!"

First, you should stop calling people stupid simply because you disagree with them. It is vulgar and puerile and labels you as uncouth.

Second, you vastly underestimate the lethality of edged weapons in a multi-victim scenario, as multiple events demonstrate.

Third, without going into detail, there are numerous ways for the ill-intentioned to victimize multiple people.

Finally, the criminal misuse of firearms does not justify depriving decent people (and all too often minorities and the poor) of the efficacious means of self defense, which is a natural right.

The person isn’t stupid, the response is. Just like your disingenuous response claiming I am “underestimating” the lethality of “edged weapons.” Give me a f***** break.

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I kind of think the U.S. is doomed. The writing is on the wall, we’re a nation in decline. We couldn’t even mobilize after Sandy Hook.

The solution is to leave.

Clearly America is under attack. But where do you suggest one moves? Australia? The no gun country that’s like a prison? China with the social credit overreach totalitarian state? Both with no guns.

There is a gun issue here. But people are naive, criminals don’t follow laws or pay taxes. What happens in countries where things are banned like alcohol etc it creates a black market for things. So no the gun issue won’t be resolved. A class maybe for kids on respecting guns instead of making them so taboo would help for kids getting ahold of gun. But it won’t stop general crime at all. And no POC friendly stuff either, because again criminals don’t care. Also there are people who use to be sent to insane asylums because they had bad mental health issues. Not anxiety or whatever most sahms suffer. Legit killer types who have no remorse. Right now we care so much. That we give to big organizations and host crappy seminars to help people feel better. People die all the time of unfortunate things. Remember the building collapses in Miami? Floods, explosions, asbestos and more. We have no real control over things. Taxes so we can have the taliban have our guns! No thanks. Again the naive thinking arrives.

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I kind of think the U.S. is doomed. The writing is on the wall, we’re a nation in decline. We couldn’t even mobilize after Sandy Hook.

The solution is to leave.

Clearly America is under attack. But where do you suggest one moves? Australia? The no gun country that’s like a prison? China with the social credit overreach totalitarian state? Both with no guns.

There is a gun issue here. But people are naive, criminals don’t follow laws or pay taxes. What happens in countries where things are banned like alcohol etc it creates a black market for things. So no the gun issue won’t be resolved. A class maybe for kids on respecting guns instead of making them so taboo would help for kids getting ahold of gun. But it won’t stop general crime at all. And no POC friendly stuff either, because again criminals don’t care. Also there are people who use to be sent to insane asylums because they had bad mental health issues. Not anxiety or whatever most sahms suffer. Legit killer types who have no remorse. Right now we care so much. That we give to big organizations and host crappy seminars to help people feel better. People die all the time of unfortunate things. Remember the building collapses in Miami? Floods, explosions, asbestos and more. We have no real control over things. Taxes so we can have the taliban have our guns! No thanks. Again the naive thinking arrives.

“Criminals don’t follow laws”. Why have any laws at all, then? This is, again, such an absurd argument that no one would use for anything OTHER than guns.

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I kind of think the U.S. is doomed. The writing is on the wall, we’re a nation in decline. We couldn’t even mobilize after Sandy Hook.

The solution is to leave.

Clearly America is under attack. But where do you suggest one moves? Australia? The no gun country that’s like a prison? China with the social credit overreach totalitarian state? Both with no guns.

There is a gun issue here. But people are naive, criminals don’t follow laws or pay taxes. What happens in countries where things are banned like alcohol etc it creates a black market for things. So no the gun issue won’t be resolved. A class maybe for kids on respecting guns instead of making them so taboo would help for kids getting ahold of gun. But it won’t stop general crime at all. And no POC friendly stuff either, because again criminals don’t care. Also there are people who use to be sent to insane asylums because they had bad mental health issues. Not anxiety or whatever most sahms suffer. Legit killer types who have no remorse. Right now we care so much. That we give to big organizations and host crappy seminars to help people feel better. People die all the time of unfortunate things. Remember the building collapses in Miami? Floods, explosions, asbestos and more. We have no real control over things. Taxes so we can have the taliban have our guns! No thanks. Again the naive thinking arrives.

“Criminals don’t follow laws”. Why have any laws at all, then? This is, again, such an absurd argument that no one would use for anything OTHER than guns.

The point of the exercise is for the laws to be executed in a manner that encourages compliance and discourages noncompliance. Adding still more unenforced laws will accomplish nothing except to further interfere with the freedom of decent people.

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Anonymous wrote:Look at Switzerland you guys- lots of guns, but very strict laws: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms_regulation_in_Switzerland

Why can’t we do the same? Why don’t we value life enough to do so?

People in Switzerland have army-issued MACHINE GUNS and ammunition at home.

This is because the problem is not the guns, but the scum of society. Switzerland has a far lower percentage of scum

Is there any evidence that the US just has more “scum?” What do you mean by “scum?”

Well, just look at the crime rate for all other crimes. The crime rate in Switzerland (and most other civilized countries) of all types that do NOT involve guns is already MUCH MUCH lower than in the U.S. The citizens of europe have much lower proclivity towards violence and other types of crime. Take a group of people with a natural proclivity toward crime (united states citizens) and arm them with guns, and you have a problem. Arm decent, law abiding citizens with guns and you do not have a problem. What's the mystery here?

Can you provide where you are getting these crime numbers please? I actually am not sure that the rate of crime in Europe is lower.

Also, given your initial assumption (that there is less crime in Europe), you are making a lot of connections here randomly. How do you know that there are not other conditions in Europe that help facilitate a lower crime rate? Why do you assume that people in the US just have a higher "proclivity" towards crime? That just seems like a lack of coherent thinking. There is no such thing that I know of as a "natural proclivity" towards crime. Can you share your source for that term?

The reason could be something entirely unrelated. Perhaps giving mothers parental leave starts children off better, leading to lower crime. Perhaps the fact that Europeans have better access to healthcare, more vacation time, less poverty, are all contributing factors?

Also, you state that US citizens have a "proclivity" towards violence, and then state that you need to arm them anyway. Do you see how that makes no sense whatsoever?

Where did I state that you need to arm US citizens? By proclivity I am lumping all unknown causal factors into a general tendency. Poor socioeconomic status, absent fathers, broken families, child abuse, drug availability, violent role models, bad schools, the list goes on and on. It's easier to just say that all of these things converge to create inherently violent people that western Europe, for the most part, does not have.

Do you guys realize how incredibly stupid and absurd these arguments sound? Are we supposed to pretend that Europe is some utopia without problems and THAT's why they have less gun violence as opposed to ACTUAL GUN LAWS? Give me a break.

Of course you can't place any blame on murderers, hence your obsession with gun laws and not the proven causes of violent crime.

Again- stupid! This is such a stupid response, I can't even! A murderer with a GUN can kill a lot more people than a murderer with a KNIFE! Why does this need to be explained to you?

Like, when you write something like this, what do you think is going to happen? What do you think people are going to think? "Oh, he's right, it's the person holding the gun who can kill countless more people in mere minutes, not the weapon! I've never thought of this, this pp is a genius!"

First, you should stop calling people stupid simply because you disagree with them. It is vulgar and puerile and labels you as uncouth.

Second, you vastly underestimate the lethality of edged weapons in a multi-victim scenario, as multiple events demonstrate.

Third, without going into detail, there are numerous ways for the ill-intentioned to victimize multiple people.

Finally, the criminal misuse of firearms does not justify depriving decent people (and all too often minorities and the poor) of the efficacious means of self defense, which is a natural right.

The person isn’t stupid, the response is. Just like your disingenuous response claiming I am “underestimating” the lethality of “edged weapons.” Give me a f***** break.

Look up a few of the incidents in Europe and Asia with mass stabbings. If you have a strong stomach, look up some pictures of knife wounds. You’ll find out why police are trained to shoot an assailant who has a knife and is within 21 feet.