VA Revolution has purchased Evergreen Sportsplex

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Anonymous wrote:I honestly at this moment think the club has tons of potential they have a pretty good coaching staff along with now field space which is something most clubs have trouble with. They have alot of work to do if they want to get an ecnl team. They need to begin by investing in the younger players and also in their rec program to then have a larger player pool. From then find a more Competitive League although ncsl is a pretty good league it still not top tier even if it's just ecnl rl thats fine. But right now edp and ncsl is fine for the level they play at. beginning as an independent club with one team in odsl then working with a few other clubs it became VA revolution now they play in ncsl and edp with almost 30 teams. Like I said before give it time and it will come

Almost every small club (at least the ones not already in higher leagues) is in a similar position. There are large established clubs that can’t get ECNL, there is no reason to imagine a new club will an invite

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Anonymous wrote:Sheesh, even Stafford is a significant level better than revolution. It will take a good 5-10 years for them to become anyone unless they start hiring coaches with experience and local reputations. But they would be taking a risk by coaching there so I don't expect that to happen. Experienced coaches don't go just for the money, they go where there is a strong player base to support competitive teams. And Virginia revolution doesn't have that right now.

If they were smart, they would invest heavily in u9-u12 and the younger ages. And hire some really good coaches to coach the academy and younger 6-7-8-year-olds. Until they do that all their teams are pretty mediocre product and not attractive for experience coaches to work with

They just eliminated competition for younger players.

they are one of a ton of small clubs in the broad area- Leesburg and Dulles are similarly sized and positioned. Loudon is a behemoth and will do fine. There are larger clubs further away that will draw some talent. FCV may or may not pull up stakes in the area, but that doesn't mean revolution will suddenly rival McLean

Revolution is larger than Leesburg FC (are they still around?), Sterling and Dulles FC combined.

ok? they play in the same leagues which revolution isn't exactly dominating. Does revolution even have 1 stand out team?

Beyond ECNL or GA clubs/teams, what club produces multiple standout teams across the board?

Older teams are set and are what they are. They will not improve dramatically if at all because of this. The proof will be 5 years from now when they have had kids start in their pre travel program and that player pool grows over time.

Everyone tends to think things are just static. FCV's 03 team did this so that means their 10's will do this...

Loudoun is huge and they are still terrible. They have ECNL simply because they are huge. They couldn't point to any past success or long history of player development success.

The same with Arlington. VDA is less than a decade old. Pipeline is 10 years old. The last two are not long stories clubs. PWSI has done well but VSA has grown as Haymarket over the last ten years as well.

ECNL is obviously looking at player pool and market size when it comes to selecting clubs moving forward. Revolution has to execute on their plans but unlike Barca, Revolution isn't sharing the fields or the player pool anymore.

Hell, local ECNL clubs would vote Revolution in just for kicking FCV out and ensuring that FCV will never get into ECNL.

Revolution just needs to prove that it can attract numbers.

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Anonymous wrote:Sheesh, even Stafford is a significant level better than revolution. It will take a good 5-10 years for them to become anyone unless they start hiring coaches with experience and local reputations. But they would be taking a risk by coaching there so I don't expect that to happen. Experienced coaches don't go just for the money, they go where there is a strong player base to support competitive teams. And Virginia revolution doesn't have that right now.

If they were smart, they would invest heavily in u9-u12 and the younger ages. And hire some really good coaches to coach the academy and younger 6-7-8-year-olds. Until they do that all their teams are pretty mediocre product and not attractive for experience coaches to work with

They just eliminated competition for younger players.

they are one of a ton of small clubs in the broad area- Leesburg and Dulles are similarly sized and positioned. Loudon is a behemoth and will do fine. There are larger clubs further away that will draw some talent. FCV may or may not pull up stakes in the area, but that doesn't mean revolution will suddenly rival McLean

Revolution is larger than Leesburg FC (are they still around?), Sterling and Dulles FC combined.

ok? they play in the same leagues which revolution isn't exactly dominating. Does revolution even have 1 stand out team?

Beyond ECNL or GA clubs/teams, what club produces multiple standout teams across the board?

Older teams are set and are what they are. They will not improve dramatically if at all because of this. The proof will be 5 years from now when they have had kids start in their pre travel program and that player pool grows over time.

Everyone tends to think things are just static. FCV's 03 team did this so that means their 10's will do this...

Loudoun is huge and they are still terrible. They have ECNL simply because they are huge. They couldn't point to any past success or long history of player development success.

The same with Arlington. VDA is less than a decade old. Pipeline is 10 years old. The last two are not long stories clubs. PWSI has done well but VSA has grown as Haymarket over the last ten years as well.

ECNL is obviously looking at player pool and market size when it comes to selecting clubs moving forward. Revolution has to execute on their plans but unlike Barca, Revolution isn't sharing the fields or the player pool anymore.

Hell, local ECNL clubs would vote Revolution in just for kicking FCV out and ensuring that FCV will never get into ECNL.

Revolution just needs to prove that it can attract numbers.

When i first began readin you post I thought u were a loudoun bootlicker… then I noticed your factual evidence and I took a step back.

Why exactly are people still funding a club like loudoun?

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Anonymous wrote:Sheesh, even Stafford is a significant level better than revolution. It will take a good 5-10 years for them to become anyone unless they start hiring coaches with experience and local reputations. But they would be taking a risk by coaching there so I don't expect that to happen. Experienced coaches don't go just for the money, they go where there is a strong player base to support competitive teams. And Virginia revolution doesn't have that right now.

If they were smart, they would invest heavily in u9-u12 and the younger ages. And hire some really good coaches to coach the academy and younger 6-7-8-year-olds. Until they do that all their teams are pretty mediocre product and not attractive for experience coaches to work with

They just eliminated competition for younger players.

they are one of a ton of small clubs in the broad area- Leesburg and Dulles are similarly sized and positioned. Loudon is a behemoth and will do fine. There are larger clubs further away that will draw some talent. FCV may or may not pull up stakes in the area, but that doesn't mean revolution will suddenly rival McLean

Revolution is larger than Leesburg FC (are they still around?), Sterling and Dulles FC combined.

ok? they play in the same leagues which revolution isn't exactly dominating. Does revolution even have 1 stand out team?

Beyond ECNL or GA clubs/teams, what club produces multiple standout teams across the board?

Older teams are set and are what they are. They will not improve dramatically if at all because of this. The proof will be 5 years from now when they have had kids start in their pre travel program and that player pool grows over time.

Everyone tends to think things are just static. FCV's 03 team did this so that means their 10's will do this...

Loudoun is huge and they are still terrible. They have ECNL simply because they are huge. They couldn't point to any past success or long history of player development success.

The same with Arlington. VDA is less than a decade old. Pipeline is 10 years old. The last two are not long stories clubs. PWSI has done well but VSA has grown as Haymarket over the last ten years as well.

ECNL is obviously looking at player pool and market size when it comes to selecting clubs moving forward. Revolution has to execute on their plans but unlike Barca, Revolution isn't sharing the fields or the player pool anymore.

Hell, local ECNL clubs would vote Revolution in just for kicking FCV out and ensuring that FCV will never get into ECNL.

Revolution just needs to prove that it can attract numbers.

When i first began readin you post I thought u were a loudoun bootlicker… then I noticed your factual evidence and I took a step back.

Why exactly are people still funding a club like loudoun?

And for the record, I’m not saying Revolution will get ECNL. Who knows if they even want it, but what I am saying is it wouldn’t surprise me if five years from now they were in ECNL.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any inter-academy communication between like Charlotte and Nova? And I’m curious what one is a DA but the others are not. Is there a good FCB “historian” in the house?

One is a DA because they bought an existing DA club. The local Escola/Academy will likely never apply for DA status or ECNL. The area is simply to saturated with ECNL and DA clubs right now.

Barca NOVA won't be in DA this year, but it they continue doing what they are currently doing, I can see them getting DA boys status in a couple of years with probably one of the local non-MLS clubs losing their DA status. Their U18 boys team already got good results against some DA teams in friendlies. And there were quite a few players that left DAs to join Barca boys program at the older age groups. I don't think Barca is interested in joining ECNL on the boys side. They are still developing their girls program so ECNL might be an option down the road for the girls.

Are you the same person with this prediction for Barca Northern Virginia in 2018? Made on August 24, 2018 to be exact.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any inter-academy communication between like Charlotte and Nova? And I’m curious what one is a DA but the others are not. Is there a good FCB “historian” in the house?

One is a DA because they bought an existing DA club. The local Escola/Academy will likely never apply for DA status or ECNL. The area is simply to saturated with ECNL and DA clubs right now.

Barca NOVA won't be in DA this year, but it they continue doing what they are currently doing, I can see them getting DA boys status in a couple of years with probably one of the local non-MLS clubs losing their DA status. Their U18 boys team already got good results against some DA teams in friendlies. And there were quite a few players that left DAs to join Barca boys program at the older age groups. I don't think Barca is interested in joining ECNL on the boys side. They are still developing their girls program so ECNL might be an option down the road for the girls.

Are you the same person with this prediction for Barca Northern Virginia in 2018? Made on August 24, 2018 to be exact.

Nope. Barca never had any ambition to be in leagues like DA. Only the NY club would have been a possibility for that.

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Anonymous wrote:Sheesh, even Stafford is a significant level better than revolution. It will take a good 5-10 years for them to become anyone unless they start hiring coaches with experience and local reputations. But they would be taking a risk by coaching there so I don't expect that to happen. Experienced coaches don't go just for the money, they go where there is a strong player base to support competitive teams. And Virginia revolution doesn't have that right now.

If they were smart, they would invest heavily in u9-u12 and the younger ages. And hire some really good coaches to coach the academy and younger 6-7-8-year-olds. Until they do that all their teams are pretty mediocre product and not attractive for experience coaches to work with

They just eliminated competition for younger players.

they are one of a ton of small clubs in the broad area- Leesburg and Dulles are similarly sized and positioned. Loudon is a behemoth and will do fine. There are larger clubs further away that will draw some talent. FCV may or may not pull up stakes in the area, but that doesn't mean revolution will suddenly rival McLean

Revolution is larger than Leesburg FC (are they still around?), Sterling and Dulles FC combined.

ok? they play in the same leagues which revolution isn't exactly dominating. Does revolution even have 1 stand out team?

Beyond ECNL or GA clubs/teams, what club produces multiple standout teams across the board?

Older teams are set and are what they are. They will not improve dramatically if at all because of this. The proof will be 5 years from now when they have had kids start in their pre travel program and that player pool grows over time.

Everyone tends to think things are just static. FCV's 03 team did this so that means their 10's will do this...

Loudoun is huge and they are still terrible. They have ECNL simply because they are huge. They couldn't point to any past success or long history of player development success.

The same with Arlington. VDA is less than a decade old. Pipeline is 10 years old. The last two are not long stories clubs. PWSI has done well but VSA has grown as Haymarket over the last ten years as well.

ECNL is obviously looking at player pool and market size when it comes to selecting clubs moving forward. Revolution has to execute on their plans but unlike Barca, Revolution isn't sharing the fields or the player pool anymore.

Hell, local ECNL clubs would vote Revolution in just for kicking FCV out and ensuring that FCV will never get into ECNL.

Revolution just needs to prove that it can attract numbers.

When i first began readin you post I thought u were a loudoun bootlicker… then I noticed your factual evidence and I took a step back.

Why exactly are people still funding a club like loudoun?

And for the record, I’m not saying Revolution will get ECNL. Who knows if they even want it, but what I am saying is it wouldn’t surprise me if five years from now they were in ECNL.

Eventually they will be in ECNL. You can’t put doors to the ocean

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Anonymous wrote:Sheesh, even Stafford is a significant level better than revolution. It will take a good 5-10 years for them to become anyone unless they start hiring coaches with experience and local reputations. But they would be taking a risk by coaching there so I don't expect that to happen. Experienced coaches don't go just for the money, they go where there is a strong player base to support competitive teams. And Virginia revolution doesn't have that right now.

If they were smart, they would invest heavily in u9-u12 and the younger ages. And hire some really good coaches to coach the academy and younger 6-7-8-year-olds. Until they do that all their teams are pretty mediocre product and not attractive for experience coaches to work with

They just eliminated competition for younger players.

they are one of a ton of small clubs in the broad area- Leesburg and Dulles are similarly sized and positioned. Loudon is a behemoth and will do fine. There are larger clubs further away that will draw some talent. FCV may or may not pull up stakes in the area, but that doesn't mean revolution will suddenly rival McLean

Revolution is larger than Leesburg FC (are they still around?), Sterling and Dulles FC combined.

ok? they play in the same leagues which revolution isn't exactly dominating. Does revolution even have 1 stand out team?

Beyond ECNL or GA clubs/teams, what club produces multiple standout teams across the board?

Older teams are set and are what they are. They will not improve dramatically if at all because of this. The proof will be 5 years from now when they have had kids start in their pre travel program and that player pool grows over time.

Everyone tends to think things are just static. FCV's 03 team did this so that means their 10's will do this...

Loudoun is huge and they are still terrible. They have ECNL simply because they are huge. They couldn't point to any past success or long history of player development success.

The same with Arlington. VDA is less than a decade old. Pipeline is 10 years old. The last two are not long stories clubs. PWSI has done well but VSA has grown as Haymarket over the last ten years as well.

ECNL is obviously looking at player pool and market size when it comes to selecting clubs moving forward. Revolution has to execute on their plans but unlike Barca, Revolution isn't sharing the fields or the player pool anymore.

Hell, local ECNL clubs would vote Revolution in just for kicking FCV out and ensuring that FCV will never get into ECNL.

Revolution just needs to prove that it can attract numbers.

Why is everyone assuming Revolution will kick out competing clubs from Evergreen right away? That's a LOT of lost revenue from rented fields to make up. You can't buy Evergreen and then just let the fields sit empty while you build up your numbers. It could take years to build up enough to replace the lost revenues from Barca's 35 teams plus FCV's GA teams practices and games.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is everyone assuming Revolution will kick out competing clubs from Evergreen right away? That's a LOT of lost revenue from rented fields to make up. You can't buy Evergreen and then just let the fields sit empty while you build up your numbers. It could take years to build up enough to replace the lost revenues from Barca's 35 teams plus FCV's GA teams practices and games.

It seems reasonable that once any existing contracts for field space expire (or are terminated) that they would allocate field space in this order:

1. their own teams
2. rent fields to other, non-soccer sports like field hockey, lacrosse, etc.
3. rent any remaining field space to other soccer clubs on a case-by-case basis

Whether that works from a profit/loss standpoint or not, I guess only time will tell. Obviously FCV and Barca both rented a significant amount of field space there. Loudoun did, as well, but to a much lesser degree as I understand it. I can't imagine that VAR would want to "help" out any of those competing clubs with regard to field space unless they needed to from a financial perspective, though.

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I would imagine that they will need to rent from a financial standpoint. Unless the parents are rich enough that they put up the entire purchase price

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It’s VRSC not VAR.

VAR is the legal mechanism to fix and adulterate professional matches.

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Anonymous wrote:PWC is not just down the road at all.

Try google maps, you can head west and be in PW in 10 mins from evergreen. Catharpin just opened up 4/5 fields and it’s literally on the Loudoun and PW border.

Except that's not the border close to Evergreen. It is more like 20 minutes to get to PW border from Evergreen.

That leaves out all the people in Ashburn who could get to Evergreen or Loudoun Soccer Park quickly, but Prince William will be too far. There are people near highway 50 who won't mind though the move though.

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FCV is done in Loudoun beyond the United teams and the United teams will likely collapse if GA moves to Springfield. Nothing is stopping VA Revolution from using County fields as well if they expand their rec program. What you are seeing here is a full on war with Loudoun Soccer. Revolution can grow because they have field certainty that Loudoun can no longer influence. If they grow then they can be on level footing for county field space with Loudoun soccer.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Revolution in ECNL within 5 years from now. They are going to be a huge thorn in Loudoun Soccer's side.

Because of purchasing a sports complex? How does your thought processing reach such ludicrous conclusion?

+1

loudoun didn't have influence on revolutions usage of evergreen in the first place

revolution having 4 fields will now be used against them when it comes to access to county fields, look it up


Loudoun has their own fields too.

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Anonymous wrote:Whether FCV, Barca, LFC and whoever uses that space like it or not this is a big power move that will unequivocally translate to the extinction of these clubs in this area. It’s basic science.

Those clubs are niche clubs. VRSC might swallow them up/make their programs untenable, but they are here to compete with Loudoun Soccer. VRSC, without Evergreen, had already easily surpassed LFC as a club and a good argument could be made that they already surpassed FCV, since VRSC has a full boys program and more total teams in Loudoun. VRSC now has a better facility than Loudoun Soccer, so why shouldn’t their goal be to challenge Loudoun Soccer to be the biggest club in Loudoun?

They need to get their rec numbers up, as this gives them the revenue to support the top teams. They can probably charge Barca more now.
Having more rec teams playing in Evergreen would make their rec more popular(I'm assuming the fields at Evergreen are good).

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Anonymous wrote:Whether FCV, Barca, LFC and whoever uses that space like it or not this is a big power move that will unequivocally translate to the extinction of these clubs in this area. It’s basic science.

Those clubs are niche clubs. VRSC might swallow them up/make their programs untenable, but they are here to compete with Loudoun Soccer. VRSC, without Evergreen, had already easily surpassed LFC as a club and a good argument could be made that they already surpassed FCV, since VRSC has a full boys program and more total teams in Loudoun. VRSC now has a better facility than Loudoun Soccer, so why shouldn’t their goal be to challenge Loudoun Soccer to be the biggest club in Loudoun?

They need to get their rec numbers up, as this gives them the revenue to support the top teams. They can probably charge Barca more now.
Having more rec teams playing in Evergreen would make their rec more popular(I'm assuming the fields at Evergreen are good).

I think rec is popular when the fields are near. Good is a bonus, but near is what matters