With teachers vaccinated, why are we still talking about hybrid, and not a full return to school?

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Anonymous wrote:The CDC is supposed to issue new guidance on Wednesday regarding the opening of schools, hopefully addressing the 6 ft distance thing. You can eat in a restaurant without 6 ft between people.

Indoor dining is one of the most dangerous things you can do right now, so yeah, sure, let’s emulate that.

You people are bonkers.

Well if the CDC says that schools can have less than 6 feet distancing, are you going to say that they are incorrect?

If a frog had wings it wouldn’t bump its ass when it hops. We can “if” all day long, but it doesn’t change the fact that indoor dining is one of the main causes of spread. Y’all are slowly trying to take every mitigation factor away and won’t stop until it’s 5 days, unspaced with no/optional masks.

Yep. I won’t stop until we’re back in normal school. You’re right there!

DP. It is because of attitudes like yours PP that we can't get this pandemic under control. You need to get help for your anxiety so that you can be more calm and reasonable, and you will be able to understand the science behind the CDC directives, mitigation like social distancing and masks, and those things that help keep society safe.

Seriously. The rabid reopening people like to mock people advocating for mitigation measures, claiming they are anxious basement dwellers. To me the rabid reopeners look like the ones truly struggling with anxiety. They simply cannot accept that this is out of their control. They are just crumbling in the face of this adversity.

The fact that you’ve blindly accepted a year+ of closures followed by some indeterminate amount of time of “hybrid,” “social distancing,” and whatever else, means that you’ve given up. Most of us refuse to give up.

DP Good luck with that. I just know that strength and persistence won’t protect my family from the virus - we need the vaccine. It’s out of my control so we’ll wait patiently for life to return to normal.

DDP. Except that they seem to be moving the goalposts all the time. First, it was we need PPE and ventilation, then all teachers need to get vaccinated (no talk of kids), now it's all vaccinations plus low community spread and now some are talking about needing all the kids vaccinated too. Now people are latching onto the CDC recommendation that vaccinations must not be more than 3 months ago (so what, teachers need to get revaccinated?). I've been a good soldier all along, masking and distancing, but at some point it seems like we're changing our goals from "mitigate risk" to "lower to zero risk" -- at the great expense of other societal goods.

Where is this talking point coming from? I’ve heard it a lot and given that this was a new virus and now changing, it seems naive to think that how we handle it can’t or shouldn’t change. And who is “they”? Because I’ve always known that life would be drastically different until we’re all vaccinated. Teachers being vaccinated doesn’t do a thing for my family.

Fine, then you have the option to stay home this year, almost certainly next year, and quite possibly after that. But as for me and my family, we need normal school like they have in many other areas of the country. If they can do it in the little small town district in Ohio where I grew up (1 elementary, 1 middle, 1 HS, and 1 K-8 school in a literal cornfield) - we can do it here.

Please move. If you want to be in Ohio so much then just leave. We won't miss you a bit. I promise.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a teacher. Teaching virtual sucked. Teaching concurrent is going to suck. I’m in person four days, my kids two. That sucks. You know what else sucks? CoVID. Just because I can’t get it doesn’t mean I want to throw all the mitigation out the window. It’s a thing, man. I’d love a normal fall. I NEED a normal fall. But we need to be sane here.

P.S. Mondays are full of meetings. No planning. They.., you guessed it..,

Mondays being full of meetings doesn’t do a thing for all the kids who have had 20% of the school week canceled. I really don’t understand who thought this was a good idea. Meetings can be worked in during the school day, which is shorter than usual already.

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Tough to compare a small rural town to Fairfax county. And yeah, our former little private went back too. It caused an outbreak and a teacher died. So, sure, we CAN go back but no thanks.

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Anonymous wrote:The CDC is supposed to issue new guidance on Wednesday regarding the opening of schools, hopefully addressing the 6 ft distance thing. You can eat in a restaurant without 6 ft between people.

Indoor dining is one of the most dangerous things you can do right now, so yeah, sure, let’s emulate that.

You people are bonkers.

Well if the CDC says that schools can have less than 6 feet distancing, are you going to say that they are incorrect?

If a frog had wings it wouldn’t bump its ass when it hops. We can “if” all day long, but it doesn’t change the fact that indoor dining is one of the main causes of spread. Y’all are slowly trying to take every mitigation factor away and won’t stop until it’s 5 days, unspaced with no/optional masks.

Yep. I won’t stop until we’re back in normal school. You’re right there!

DP. It is because of attitudes like yours PP that we can't get this pandemic under control. You need to get help for your anxiety so that you can be more calm and reasonable, and you will be able to understand the science behind the CDC directives, mitigation like social distancing and masks, and those things that help keep society safe.

Seriously. The rabid reopening people like to mock people advocating for mitigation measures, claiming they are anxious basement dwellers. To me the rabid reopeners look like the ones truly struggling with anxiety. They simply cannot accept that this is out of their control. They are just crumbling in the face of this adversity.

The fact that you’ve blindly accepted a year+ of closures followed by some indeterminate amount of time of “hybrid,” “social distancing,” and whatever else, means that you’ve given up. Most of us refuse to give up.

DP Good luck with that. I just know that strength and persistence won’t protect my family from the virus - we need the vaccine. It’s out of my control so we’ll wait patiently for life to return to normal.

DDP. Except that they seem to be moving the goalposts all the time. First, it was we need PPE and ventilation, then all teachers need to get vaccinated (no talk of kids), now it's all vaccinations plus low community spread and now some are talking about needing all the kids vaccinated too. Now people are latching onto the CDC recommendation that vaccinations must not be more than 3 months ago (so what, teachers need to get revaccinated?). I've been a good soldier all along, masking and distancing, but at some point it seems like we're changing our goals from "mitigate risk" to "lower to zero risk" -- at the great expense of other societal goods.

Where is this talking point coming from? I’ve heard it a lot and given that this was a new virus and now changing, it seems naive to think that how we handle it can’t or shouldn’t change. And who is “they”? Because I’ve always known that life would be drastically different until we’re all vaccinated. Teachers being vaccinated doesn’t do a thing for my family.

Fine, then you have the option to stay home this year, almost certainly next year, and quite possibly after that. But as for me and my family, we need normal school like they have in many other areas of the country. If they can do it in the little small town district in Ohio where I grew up (1 elementary, 1 middle, 1 HS, and 1 K-8 school in a literal cornfield) - we can do it here.

Please move. If you want to be in Ohio so much then just leave. We won't miss you a bit. I promise.

Doesn’t address my point. They were able to open schools part time at first, full time now, and it’s a place full of people who barely wear masks and are old and high risk. Why can’t we?

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Anonymous wrote:Tough to compare a small rural town to Fairfax county. And yeah, our former little private went back too. It caused an outbreak and a teacher died. So, sure, we CAN go back but no thanks.

We can, we need to, and we will. Both my ES kids will be there on Day #1 (or Day #3 perhaps...)

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Anonymous wrote:Tough to compare a small rural town to Fairfax county. And yeah, our former little private went back too. It caused an outbreak and a teacher died. So, sure, we CAN go back but no thanks.

We can, we need to, and we will. Both my ES kids will be there on Day #1 (or Day #3 perhaps...)

I hope they get lots of lessons in science, ethics, and critical thinking.

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Anonymous wrote:The CDC is supposed to issue new guidance on Wednesday regarding the opening of schools, hopefully addressing the 6 ft distance thing. You can eat in a restaurant without 6 ft between people.

Indoor dining is one of the most dangerous things you can do right now, so yeah, sure, let’s emulate that.

You people are bonkers.

Well if the CDC says that schools can have less than 6 feet distancing, are you going to say that they are incorrect?

If a frog had wings it wouldn’t bump its ass when it hops. We can “if” all day long, but it doesn’t change the fact that indoor dining is one of the main causes of spread. Y’all are slowly trying to take every mitigation factor away and won’t stop until it’s 5 days, unspaced with no/optional masks.

Yep. I won’t stop until we’re back in normal school. You’re right there!

DP. It is because of attitudes like yours PP that we can't get this pandemic under control. You need to get help for your anxiety so that you can be more calm and reasonable, and you will be able to understand the science behind the CDC directives, mitigation like social distancing and masks, and those things that help keep society safe.

Seriously. The rabid reopening people like to mock people advocating for mitigation measures, claiming they are anxious basement dwellers. To me the rabid reopeners look like the ones truly struggling with anxiety. They simply cannot accept that this is out of their control. They are just crumbling in the face of this adversity.

The fact that you’ve blindly accepted a year+ of closures followed by some indeterminate amount of time of “hybrid,” “social distancing,” and whatever else, means that you’ve given up. Most of us refuse to give up.

NP here. I've not "blindly accepted" anything. But instead of whining for school, throwing tantrums, and demanding a RTS that will look NOTHING like a normal school situation, I'm working with my own child. Shaping DC's outlook, modeling trying to find the positives, and filling in the academic gaps. It's imperfect. But she's learning and coping.

You've demanded RTS. It's an imperfect model, moreso than DL. Teachers are going to be strapped to teach kids onsite and at home, simultaneously. Everyone I know who has done it in other states say it sucks. No teacher I know (yes, that is anecdotal) is dreading it. But, we have to do it, and all suffer as a result, b/c of your insistence. YOU are the one that lacks resilience. YOU are the one that is just blindly demanding schools open. YOU are the one who has given up on DL by doing nothing but whining.

So you can just point that finger at yourself.

Yeah, I know. They (non-teachers) don’t understand that, though, and it seems impossible to explain to them the severe limitations and vast uncertainties of hybrid/ concurrent at FCPS. They really have no idea what they have asked us to do and to compromise so that we can appear to be equitably accommodating a set of contradictory choices. It took many of us awhile to start making good use of the DL platform. Some teachers never adjusted to it.

I think they think they are sending us back to the “old ways” of classroom instruction or some semblance of it, without realizing that we are actually needing to learn a completely new platform for and modality of teaching.

If we *could* resort to “DL in the classroom” when we hit curricular planning snags, that would be great, but FCPS tech sucks. A lot of money that should have been invested in building and maintaining that infrastructure has been wasted on a bloated administrative bureaucracy and contracts for expensive “resources” that we never use but are maybe greasing the wheels of some monetary or political relationship between gatehouse employees and the corporate community.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a teacher. Teaching virtual sucked. Teaching concurrent is going to suck. I’m in person four days, my kids two. That sucks. You know what else sucks? CoVID. Just because I can’t get it doesn’t mean I want to throw all the mitigation out the window. It’s a thing, man. I’d love a normal fall. I NEED a normal fall. But we need to be sane here.

P.S. Mondays are full of meetings. No planning. They.., you guessed it..,

Mondays being full of meetings doesn’t do a thing for all the kids who have had 20% of the school week canceled. I really don’t understand who thought this was a good idea. Meetings can be worked in during the school day, which is shorter than usual already.

Yes, well, if you have never been a public school teacher, you would have no idea, so please stick to making judgements on what you consider work efficiency within the profession you have been trained for.

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Anonymous wrote:Tough to compare a small rural town to Fairfax county. And yeah, our former little private went back too. It caused an outbreak and a teacher died. So, sure, we CAN go back but no thanks.

Mmm, name the private.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a teacher. Teaching virtual sucked. Teaching concurrent is going to suck. I’m in person four days, my kids two. That sucks. You know what else sucks? CoVID. Just because I can’t get it doesn’t mean I want to throw all the mitigation out the window. It’s a thing, man. I’d love a normal fall. I NEED a normal fall. But we need to be sane here.

P.S. Mondays are full of meetings. No planning. They.., you guessed it..,

Mondays being full of meetings doesn’t do a thing for all the kids who have had 20% of the school week canceled. I really don’t understand who thought this was a good idea. Meetings can be worked in during the school day, which is shorter than usual already.

Yes, well, if you have never been a public school teacher, you would have no idea, so please stick to making judgements on what you consider work efficiency within the profession you have been trained for.

Mondays were never needed for meetings prior to this year, and the amount of time teaching is much shorter. It’s not rocket science.

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Anonymous wrote:The CDC is supposed to issue new guidance on Wednesday regarding the opening of schools, hopefully addressing the 6 ft distance thing. You can eat in a restaurant without 6 ft between people.

Indoor dining is one of the most dangerous things you can do right now, so yeah, sure, let’s emulate that.

You people are bonkers.

Well if the CDC says that schools can have less than 6 feet distancing, are you going to say that they are incorrect?

If a frog had wings it wouldn’t bump its ass when it hops. We can “if” all day long, but it doesn’t change the fact that indoor dining is one of the main causes of spread. Y’all are slowly trying to take every mitigation factor away and won’t stop until it’s 5 days, unspaced with no/optional masks.

Yep. I won’t stop until we’re back in normal school. You’re right there!

DP. It is because of attitudes like yours PP that we can't get this pandemic under control. You need to get help for your anxiety so that you can be more calm and reasonable, and you will be able to understand the science behind the CDC directives, mitigation like social distancing and masks, and those things that help keep society safe.

Seriously. The rabid reopening people like to mock people advocating for mitigation measures, claiming they are anxious basement dwellers. To me the rabid reopeners look like the ones truly struggling with anxiety. They simply cannot accept that this is out of their control. They are just crumbling in the face of this adversity.

The fact that you’ve blindly accepted a year+ of closures followed by some indeterminate amount of time of “hybrid,” “social distancing,” and whatever else, means that you’ve given up. Most of us refuse to give up.

NP here. I've not "blindly accepted" anything. But instead of whining for school, throwing tantrums, and demanding a RTS that will look NOTHING like a normal school situation, I'm working with my own child. Shaping DC's outlook, modeling trying to find the positives, and filling in the academic gaps. It's imperfect. But she's learning and coping.

You've demanded RTS. It's an imperfect model, moreso than DL. Teachers are going to be strapped to teach kids onsite and at home, simultaneously. Everyone I know who has done it in other states say it sucks. No teacher I know (yes, that is anecdotal) is dreading it. But, we have to do it, and all suffer as a result, b/c of your insistence. YOU are the one that lacks resilience. YOU are the one that is just blindly demanding schools open. YOU are the one who has given up on DL by doing nothing but whining.

So you can just point that finger at yourself.

Yeah, I know. They (non-teachers) don’t understand that, though, and it seems impossible to explain to them the severe limitations and vast uncertainties of hybrid/ concurrent at FCPS. They really have no idea what they have asked us to do and to compromise so that we can appear to be equitably accommodating a set of contradictory choices. It took many of us awhile to start making good use of the DL platform. Some teachers never adjusted to it.

I think they think they are sending us back to the “old ways” of classroom instruction or some semblance of it, without realizing that we are actually needing to learn a completely new platform for and modality of teaching.

If we *could* resort to “DL in the classroom” when we hit curricular planning snags, that would be great, but FCPS tech sucks. A lot of money that should have been invested in building and maintaining that infrastructure has been wasted on a bloated administrative bureaucracy and contracts for expensive “resources” that we never use but are maybe greasing the wheels of some monetary or political relationship between gatehouse employees and the corporate community.

Part of why parents are advocating for 3' distancing, 4 days a week for in-person kids (if this year, 5 if next) and a centralized "online school" for DL kids (at least next year) is that we KNOW hybrid/concurrent is going to be awful for everyone. Brabrand and 6' of distancing gave you hybrid/concurrent, not us. Plenty of schools worldwide/nationwide are doing something different. I don't think it's "easier," because I haven't talked to anyone who is in education right now who isn't stressed.

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I’m telling you, five days a week of in-person school would be so much better abs easier than this s—t, but I do think it’s what we have to do to offer safe, in-person schooling. Concurrent will be the worst for teachers of all, but I see the benefits to kids. I’m vaccinated- I’m not worried about getting CoVID. This is for the good of the community.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m telling you, five days a week of in-person school would be so much better abs easier than this s—t, but I do think it’s what we have to do to offer safe, in-person schooling. Concurrent will be the worst for teachers of all, but I see the benefits to kids. I’m vaccinated- I’m not worried about getting CoVID. This is for the good of the community.

I’m the previous posting teacher, who’d better get back to it.

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Anonymous wrote:Tough to compare a small rural town to Fairfax county. And yeah, our former little private went back too. It caused an outbreak and a teacher died. So, sure, we CAN go back but no thanks.

Mmm, name the private.

No, not going to draw attention to them. It’s also not local. It’s in one of the states that mostly thought the virus was liberal hoax and masks restricted their “freedom”

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Anonymous wrote:The CDC is supposed to issue new guidance on Wednesday regarding the opening of schools, hopefully addressing the 6 ft distance thing. You can eat in a restaurant without 6 ft between people.

Indoor dining is one of the most dangerous things you can do right now, so yeah, sure, let’s emulate that.

You people are bonkers.

Well if the CDC says that schools can have less than 6 feet distancing, are you going to say that they are incorrect?

If a frog had wings it wouldn’t bump its ass when it hops. We can “if” all day long, but it doesn’t change the fact that indoor dining is one of the main causes of spread. Y’all are slowly trying to take every mitigation factor away and won’t stop until it’s 5 days, unspaced with no/optional masks.

Yep. I won’t stop until we’re back in normal school. You’re right there!

DP. It is because of attitudes like yours PP that we can't get this pandemic under control. You need to get help for your anxiety so that you can be more calm and reasonable, and you will be able to understand the science behind the CDC directives, mitigation like social distancing and masks, and those things that help keep society safe.

Seriously. The rabid reopening people like to mock people advocating for mitigation measures, claiming they are anxious basement dwellers. To me the rabid reopeners look like the ones truly struggling with anxiety. They simply cannot accept that this is out of their control. They are just crumbling in the face of this adversity.

The fact that you’ve blindly accepted a year+ of closures followed by some indeterminate amount of time of “hybrid,” “social distancing,” and whatever else, means that you’ve given up. Most of us refuse to give up.

DP Good luck with that. I just know that strength and persistence won’t protect my family from the virus - we need the vaccine. It’s out of my control so we’ll wait patiently for life to return to normal.

DDP. Except that they seem to be moving the goalposts all the time. First, it was we need PPE and ventilation, then all teachers need to get vaccinated (no talk of kids), now it's all vaccinations plus low community spread and now some are talking about needing all the kids vaccinated too. Now people are latching onto the CDC recommendation that vaccinations must not be more than 3 months ago (so what, teachers need to get revaccinated?). I've been a good soldier all along, masking and distancing, but at some point it seems like we're changing our goals from "mitigate risk" to "lower to zero risk" -- at the great expense of other societal goods.

Where is this talking point coming from? I’ve heard it a lot and given that this was a new virus and now changing, it seems naive to think that how we handle it can’t or shouldn’t change. And who is “they”? Because I’ve always known that life would be drastically different until we’re all vaccinated. Teachers being vaccinated doesn’t do a thing for my family.

Fine, then you have the option to stay home this year, almost certainly next year, and quite possibly after that. But as for me and my family, we need normal school like they have in many other areas of the country. If they can do it in the little small town district in Ohio where I grew up (1 elementary, 1 middle, 1 HS, and 1 K-8 school in a literal cornfield) - we can do it here.

Please move. If you want to be in Ohio so much then just leave. We won't miss you a bit. I promise.

Doesn’t address my point. They were able to open schools part time at first, full time now, and it’s a place full of people who barely wear masks and are old and high risk. Why can’t we?

We're waiting for you to get there and prove to us it will work. Bye bye now!!!