With teachers vaccinated, why are we still talking about hybrid, and not a full return to school?

Anonymous
Stepping back from the broader discussions in all of the northern Virginia school districts about returning to schools this spring in the hybrid model, with kids only in buildings 2 days a week - why are parents conceding that this is the right next step to take? Shouldn't we be advocating instead for a full return in the next 4-6 weeks instead of hybrid?

The hybrid models were originally conceived last spring and summer when COVID vaccines were still in trials and not yet approved, so it made sense to err on the side of caution with return to school models, and develop these hybrid plans. But now that all teachers and school staff are in the process of being vaccinated, why is this still the focal point of school districts' planning?

The main unmitigated risk (after the vaccinations for teachers and other school staff are completed) will be the risk to the schoolkids. But there is little to no evidence to suggest that 6 feet of distancing (a metric that was adopted before masks started to be widely worn) in a classroom leads to any significant reduction in risk compared with a normal classroom -- assuming that kids are still wearing masks throughout the day, and that other precautionary measures related to ventilation and health screening are taken. There would need to be adjustments to things like lunch and PE, and efforts should be made to prevent classes from mixing, but other school districts around the country have figured this out. And recent studies indicate that in districts where kids have gone back full-time, there is not evidence of higher community spread as a result.

The hybrid model as it's currently envisioned for later this spring seems like it will continue to provide a suboptimal learning experience, especially if teachers have to be teaching simultaneously half of their students in the classroom and half remotely. And it continues to wreak havoc with parents' ability to work, especially those who are essential employees but still stuck in the vaccine queue behind teachers.

In a full return-to-school model, there should still of course be an option for parents to keep their kids in full-time distance learning, if they feel unsafe. But parents who have evaluated the risks ands benefits, and want their kids back in school full-time should have that choice too, now that these secondary risks to teachers and school staff are largely mitigated. At this point I imagine that most parents would be comfortable with a full return to school, instead of this hybrid model.

I worry that parents here are so eager for any baby steps forward, after nearly a full lost year, that we're conceding the debate to the teachers and school administrators instead of pushing for a full-time return in the March timeframe. Curious what others here think...
Anonymous
CDC guidance is 6feet. Schools can’t open 4/5 days a week and follow the current guidance. They can’t even get 3ft at full capacity.
Anonymous
Many many many schools are open at 3 feet or less.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:CDC guidance is 6feet. Schools can’t open 4/5 days a week and follow the current guidance. They can’t even get 3ft at full capacity.


NP. Sure, but why would that remain the current guidance after the adults are vaccinated?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Many many many schools are open at 3 feet or less.


And? FCPS is following CDC guidance. Maybe if those schools also followed the guidance, we would be coming to the end of this by now.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:CDC guidance is 6feet. Schools can’t open 4/5 days a week and follow the current guidance. They can’t even get 3ft at full capacity.


NP. Sure, but why would that remain the current guidance after the adults are vaccinated?


NP. Because not everyone is vaccinated. Kids are still vectors of potential infection. We won’t be ditching masks and distancing until we have reached herd immunity.
Anonymous
I think you can make a pretty strong case for 3' distancing. You can possibly even make a case for no distancing among younger kids (it's been the case in at least some studies). However you can't make a good case for less distancing than that among older kids based on any data that I've seen. The "schools are safe!" argument relies on distancing. And as PP said, they can't get full capacity at 3'. Maybe they can get everyone who wants to come back in full time at 3'? But then you get into the staffing issue of full-time in-person AND full-time virtual. How do you solve that one between now and June?

I think we can try to take baby steps of getting as many K-2, maybe also 3-6 kids in 4 days/week as want to right now, as a sort of trial for a full-time option in fall. The full-time option will have to push the full-time virtual option to K-12, Virtual Virginia, FCPS's online campus greatly expanded, or some parallel full-time option set-up using some of the funding the Biden administration is shelling out?
Anonymous
This is why we can’t have nice things. The CDC and Fauci have told us why we can’t just get vaccinated and stop following the guidance. It’s been all over the news.
Anonymous
I agree OP. CDC guidance isn't 6 feet- its 6 feet where practicable. It becomes a risk balancing tradeoff. In the same way that sometimes 6 feet isn't enough- perhaps 6 feet really makes no difference. open FCCPS is advocating for a full return for all students 5 days a week.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:This is why we can’t have nice things. The CDC and Fauci have told us why we can’t just get vaccinated and stop following the guidance. It’s been all over the news.


And then they started walking it back and saying, "oh wait, when you're vaccinated you probably WON'T be a silent COVID spreader."

https://www.nea.org/advocating-for-change/new-from-nea/dr-anthony-fauci-answers-educator-questions-about-covid-19

"We will be doing quantitative studies of this and what I believe we will see is that the level of virus in people who were vaccinated but are infected without symptoms will be very low and it will be unlikely that they can transmit this disease. But until we know that, wear a mask. "

I read that as, "we don't know for sure, but I think we're going to soon know"
Anonymous
Vaccinating teachers only ensures safety for teachers. The problem is that many parents and grandparents have not been vaccinated yet so if a kid gets COVID at school and brings it home, they may be infecting a multi-generational household (some that may be high risk).
Anonymous
I was surprised it was a hybrid/ concurrent model and not just a concurrent one. Couldn’t we have just bought some extra trailers or rented space with the CARES money? Who knows? Unfortunately, leadership just charges ahead with a plan without soliciting feedback from stakeholders, first.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Vaccinating teachers only ensures safety for teachers. The problem is that many parents and grandparents have not been vaccinated yet so if a kid gets COVID at school and brings it home, they may be infecting a multi-generational household (some that may be high risk).


Then those kids can stay virtual. I don't have those concerns for my children.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I think you can make a pretty strong case for 3' distancing. You can possibly even make a case for no distancing among younger kids (it's been the case in at least some studies). However you can't make a good case for less distancing than that among older kids based on any data that I've seen. The "schools are safe!" argument relies on distancing. And as PP said, they can't get full capacity at 3'. Maybe they can get everyone who wants to come back in full time at 3'? But then you get into the staffing issue of full-time in-person AND full-time virtual. How do you solve that one between now and June?

I think we can try to take baby steps of getting as many K-2, maybe also 3-6 kids in 4 days/week as want to right now, as a sort of trial for a full-time option in fall. The full-time option will have to push the full-time virtual option to K-12, Virtual Virginia, FCPS's online campus greatly expanded, or some parallel full-time option set-up using some of the funding the Biden administration is shelling out?


This. The argument that schools are safe relies on the assumption that schools are implementing precautionary measures, which include masking, distancing, and proper ventilation. If you eliminate those measures, then it's not clear at all that schools are safe. The danger is to kids and to those kids' household members.
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