With teachers vaccinated, why are we still talking about hybrid, and not a full return to school?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m telling you, five days a week of in-person school would be so much better abs easier than this s—t, but I do think it’s what we have to do to offer safe, in-person schooling. Concurrent will be the worst for teachers of all, but I see the benefits to kids. I’m vaccinated- I’m not worried about getting CoVID. This is for the good of the community.

Thank. You. So. Much.

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Anonymous wrote:The CDC is supposed to issue new guidance on Wednesday regarding the opening of schools, hopefully addressing the 6 ft distance thing. You can eat in a restaurant without 6 ft between people.

Indoor dining is one of the most dangerous things you can do right now, so yeah, sure, let’s emulate that.

You people are bonkers.

Well if the CDC says that schools can have less than 6 feet distancing, are you going to say that they are incorrect?

If a frog had wings it wouldn’t bump its ass when it hops. We can “if” all day long, but it doesn’t change the fact that indoor dining is one of the main causes of spread. Y’all are slowly trying to take every mitigation factor away and won’t stop until it’s 5 days, unspaced with no/optional masks.

Yep. I won’t stop until we’re back in normal school. You’re right there!

DP. It is because of attitudes like yours PP that we can't get this pandemic under control. You need to get help for your anxiety so that you can be more calm and reasonable, and you will be able to understand the science behind the CDC directives, mitigation like social distancing and masks, and those things that help keep society safe.

Seriously. The rabid reopening people like to mock people advocating for mitigation measures, claiming they are anxious basement dwellers. To me the rabid reopeners look like the ones truly struggling with anxiety. They simply cannot accept that this is out of their control. They are just crumbling in the face of this adversity.

The fact that you’ve blindly accepted a year+ of closures followed by some indeterminate amount of time of “hybrid,” “social distancing,” and whatever else, means that you’ve given up. Most of us refuse to give up.

DP Good luck with that. I just know that strength and persistence won’t protect my family from the virus - we need the vaccine. It’s out of my control so we’ll wait patiently for life to return to normal.

DDP. Except that they seem to be moving the goalposts all the time. First, it was we need PPE and ventilation, then all teachers need to get vaccinated (no talk of kids), now it's all vaccinations plus low community spread and now some are talking about needing all the kids vaccinated too. Now people are latching onto the CDC recommendation that vaccinations must not be more than 3 months ago (so what, teachers need to get revaccinated?). I've been a good soldier all along, masking and distancing, but at some point it seems like we're changing our goals from "mitigate risk" to "lower to zero risk" -- at the great expense of other societal goods.

Why do people feel the need to rehash the same talking points using the same language and tired metaphors that have been used 1000 times already? Why is it always the people who seem to be the most ignorant and uneducated, the people who don’t know the difference between “societal goods” and “the societal good,” who choose to assert themselves so forcefully?

Reading DCUM posts is not always dissimilar from watching footage of the rampage on the Capitol. It’s a lesson in how aggressive people can be with their ignorance. Too many people, many of them American, don’t know enough to know how very little they really know. How do you deal with this? Humor them, try to educate them, ignore them?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m telling you, five days a week of in-person school would be so much better abs easier than this s—t, but I do think it’s what we have to do to offer safe, in-person schooling. Concurrent will be the worst for teachers of all, but I see the benefits to kids. I’m vaccinated- I’m not worried about getting CoVID. This is for the good of the community.

Thank. You. So. Much.

You’re welcome. I’m hopeful for fall. I think this might be over then.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m telling you, five days a week of in-person school would be so much better abs easier than this s—t, but I do think it’s what we have to do to offer safe, in-person schooling. Concurrent will be the worst for teachers of all, but I see the benefits to kids. I’m vaccinated- I’m not worried about getting CoVID. This is for the good of the community.

I agree with you *IF* we can pull this off without needing to severely compromise the curriculum or best teaching practices. I guess we will see. I am hoping for the best, but expecting the worst.

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Anonymous wrote:Tough to compare a small rural town to Fairfax county. And yeah, our former little private went back too. It caused an outbreak and a teacher died. So, sure, we CAN go back but no thanks.

Mmm, name the private.

No, not going to draw attention to them. It’s also not local. It’s in one of the states that mostly thought the virus was liberal hoax and masks restricted their “freedom”

Awesome. Let's build policy for 190,000 students and their families with your out-of-state anecdote. Since masks will be required here, your point is even more irrelevant (if that's possible).

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Anonymous wrote:Tough to compare a small rural town to Fairfax county. And yeah, our former little private went back too. It caused an outbreak and a teacher died. So, sure, we CAN go back but no thanks.

Mmm, name the private.

No, not going to draw attention to them. It’s also not local. It’s in one of the states that mostly thought the virus was liberal hoax and masks restricted their “freedom”

Awesome. Let's build policy for 190,000 students and their families with your out-of-state anecdote. Since masks will be required here, your point is even more irrelevant (if that's possible).

500,000 people have died, not 1. Masks were required in the state and in the school and the school followed CDC guidelines. The rules were mocked but followed. And I’m the one who said you can’t make a decision about Fairfax County based on what rural Ohio is doing. But if you think they’re the only school that went through this, you’re not paying attention.

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You guys just don't understand that many people are just fine with DL and have no interest in sending their kids in with the variants and prior to vaccination.

At our school, only half are coming back. Depending on the class, it'll be a quarter to a third in person in most cases on any given day.

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Anonymous wrote:You guys just don't understand that many people are just fine with DL and have no interest in sending their kids in with the variants and prior to vaccination.

At our school, only half are coming back. Depending on the class, it'll be a quarter to a third in person in most cases on any given day.

OK, and so because 50% are fine the other 50% shouldn't get a choice?

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Anonymous wrote:You guys just don't understand that many people are just fine with DL and have no interest in sending their kids in with the variants and prior to vaccination.

At our school, only half are coming back. Depending on the class, it'll be a quarter to a third in person in most cases on any given day.

OK, and so because 50% are fine the other 50% shouldn't get a choice?

Welcome to America, or maybe welcome to being a human. Life can be that way.

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It’s cute that you think all teachers are vaccinated.

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The kids also need to get vaccinated otherwise the variants just continue to spread and kill people

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Anonymous wrote:The kids also need to get vaccinated otherwise the variants just continue to spread and kill people

Won’t be a pediatric vaccine for years if ever. This is an idiotic stance.

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Anonymous wrote:The kids also need to get vaccinated otherwise the variants just continue to spread and kill people

Won’t be a pediatric vaccine for years if ever. This is an idiotic stance.

The poster didn’t say anything about how she things the development or lack thereof of kids’ vaccines should influence school openings and closings. So, her statement is hardly idiotic. If we want to kill COVID, we do need to develop a vaccine for children.

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Anonymous wrote:The kids also need to get vaccinated otherwise the variants just continue to spread and kill people

Won’t be a pediatric vaccine for years if ever. This is an idiotic stance.

False. https://www.propublica.org/article/fauci-vaccines-kids

You can bet that if there's a vaccine for kids on the horizon the school systems will wait to wait until it's widely available to go back to normal 5 days a week school.

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Anonymous wrote:The kids also need to get vaccinated otherwise the variants just continue to spread and kill people

Won’t be a pediatric vaccine for years if ever. This is an idiotic stance.

False. https://www.propublica.org/article/fauci-vaccines-kids

You can bet that if there's a vaccine for kids on the horizon the school systems will wait to wait until it's widely available to go back to normal 5 days a week school.

I have tremendous respect for Fauci (and unlike many, knew who he was before 2020), but he is not an oracle, and sometimes he has just thrown out an idea. Remember “immunity passports”? Remember the times he stood with Trump and Birx and crazy shit was said? So, this doesn’t mean a vaccine is on the horizon, like we can see it. It means he has an idea. This is therefore not a good call for any school system to use as part of their plan for full-time school. APS and others need to plan for what happens if things are only marginally better this fall, or not. If a vaccine is available under EUA for kids then it will not be required for school attendance. If we are collectively comfortable saying kids get completely de-prioritized for yet another year, then fine, but it’s not okay with me.