Chances at HYP

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Okay, so why is that % decrease so prevalent w/elites? Common App? Large #s of internationals applying? USNWR rankings game?

More applicants.

exactly. Nobody applied to 17- 20 schools when we were in school, now it's commonplace

It's an endless cycle. Because it's a crapshoot for top schools, students apply to more schools. More applicants, lower rate of acceptance, so more schools to apply.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Okay, so why is that % decrease so prevalent w/elites? Common App? Large #s of internationals applying? USNWR rankings game?

More applicants.

exactly. Nobody applied to 17- 20 schools when we were in school, now it's commonplace

Also, HYP is also need blind for international students which has driven applications up.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:of course without mentioning any specifics it should go without saying that the race, ethnicity are not mentioned but with those stats members of certain groups would have a better chance than others. Don't get angry with me - that's just the way it is.

yes, rich white athletes, legacies and donors all would have a substantially better chance of getting in with those stats. thank you for raising the point.

well, OP's DD didn't play any sports (at least OP doesn't mention it), so her kid is not a "rich white athlete," so that factor isn't in play here one way or the other. OTH, legacy or donor could be, but unlikely. Race, however, everyone has one.

Would OP’s daughter get in if she were URM?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:of course without mentioning any specifics it should go without saying that the race, ethnicity are not mentioned but with those stats members of certain groups would have a better chance than others. Don't get angry with me - that's just the way it is.

yes, rich white athletes, legacies and donors all would have a substantially better chance of getting in with those stats. thank you for raising the point.

well, OP's DD didn't play any sports (at least OP doesn't mention it), so her kid is not a "rich white athlete," so that factor isn't in play here one way or the other. OTH, legacy or donor could be, but unlikely. Race, however, everyone has one.

Would OP’s daughter get in if she were URM?

Probably

[Anonymous]

The general consensus seems to be that the OP applicant has a decent chance of getting into HYP but, because there are so many other applicants with more or less the same credentials, as well as other strong applicants with different credentials/qualities/backgrounds, there is a greater chance that the OP applicant will not get into HYP.

That may be depressing, but there's also a silver lining. Four years from now, most highly selective employers, professional schools and graduate programs will look far beyond HYP. If you look at Harvard Law, to take one example, you'll see that the majority of applicants from HYP are rejected. HYP are more heavily represented at Harvard Law than other colleges, but the majority of the Harvard Law class comes from colleges other than HYP. The same phenomenon occurs with just about every highly selective post-college opportunity, from management consulting to grad school to medical school. So if you're really smart and don't get into HYP when you're a high school senior, don't worry that much, since nothing will hold you back. Whether you end up at a less selective Ivy, a state university, or a less selective liberal arts college, you'll still have plenty of chances to succeed. And the people who got into HYP over you may not end up any better off than they would have if you had been able to switch places with them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The general consensus seems to be that the OP applicant has a decent chance of getting into HYP but, because there are so many other applicants with more or less the same credentials, as well as other strong applicants with different credentials/qualities/backgrounds, there is a greater chance that the OP applicant will not get into HYP.

That may be depressing, but there's also a silver lining. Four years from now, most highly selective employers, professional schools and graduate programs will look far beyond HYP. If you look at Harvard Law, to take one example, you'll see that the majority of applicants from HYP are rejected. HYP are more heavily represented at Harvard Law than other colleges, but the majority of the Harvard Law class comes from colleges other than HYP. The same phenomenon occurs with just about every highly selective post-college opportunity, from management consulting to grad school to medical school. So if you're really smart and don't get into HYP when you're a high school senior, don't worry that much, since nothing will hold you back. Whether you end up at a less selective Ivy, a state university, or a less selective liberal arts college, you'll still have plenty of chances to succeed. And the people who got into HYP over you may not end up any better off than they would have if you had been able to switch places with them.

Harvard knows Harvard ain’t all that. That’s why Harvard doesn’t choose its own grads. It used to mean something but its “holistic” admissions has watered down it’s brand.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The general consensus seems to be that the OP applicant has a decent chance of getting into HYP but, because there are so many other applicants with more or less the same credentials, as well as other strong applicants with different credentials/qualities/backgrounds, there is a greater chance that the OP applicant will not get into HYP.

That may be depressing, but there's also a silver lining. Four years from now, most highly selective employers, professional schools and graduate programs will look far beyond HYP. If you look at Harvard Law, to take one example, you'll see that the majority of applicants from HYP are rejected. HYP are more heavily represented at Harvard Law than other colleges, but the majority of the Harvard Law class comes from colleges other than HYP. The same phenomenon occurs with just about every highly selective post-college opportunity, from management consulting to grad school to medical school. So if you're really smart and don't get into HYP when you're a high school senior, don't worry that much, since nothing will hold you back. Whether you end up at a less selective Ivy, a state university, or a less selective liberal arts college, you'll still have plenty of chances to succeed. And the people who got into HYP over you may not end up any better off than they would have if you had been able to switch places with them.

Harvard knows Harvard ain’t all that. That’s why Harvard doesn’t choose its own grads. It used to mean something but its “holistic” admissions has watered down it’s brand.

Bitter Harvard reject alert

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Okay, so why is that % decrease so prevalent w/elites? Common App? Large #s of internationals applying? USNWR rankings game?

More applicants.

exactly. Nobody applied to 17- 20 schools when we were in school, now it's commonplace

Also, HYP is also need blind for international students which has driven applications up.

Yes, I went to one of those schools after they greatly expanded financial aid, especially for international students, and one of the biggest groups benefitting from this was Canadians, especially middle class and UMC Canadians. So you're competing with many of the top students in Canada too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:of course without mentioning any specifics it should go without saying that the race, ethnicity are not mentioned but with those stats members of certain groups would have a better chance than others. Don't get angry with me - that's just the way it is.

yes, rich white athletes, legacies and donors all would have a substantially better chance of getting in with those stats. thank you for raising the point.

well, OP's DD didn't play any sports (at least OP doesn't mention it), so her kid is not a "rich white athlete," so that factor isn't in play here one way or the other. OTH, legacy or donor could be, but unlikely. Race, however, everyone has one.

Would OP’s daughter get in if she were URM?

Probably

Would a URM with H degree make a dent in the job market or in the wider world? Probably not. There’s a PP who said even Harvard Law disses H grads bc its watered-down degree doesn’t mean much.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:P.P.. I agree. This poster sounds sadly crazy to rejoice over someone else's failures.

It’s not only crazy, it’s cruel to call someone who worked hard a robot full of ambition without heart and run of the mill. Who are you to judge whether someone has heart? Plenty of smart people change course in their 20s, that doesn’t mean they don’t have heart or they’re run of the mill.

Oh yes, at her age, she’s still paying for her college and medical school loans.

Please get therapy. You are a sick, small person who obsesses over this person from high school years ago.

[Anonymous]

So many people here post who ever never gone to H.Y.P. not bad a kid who went to one. Posting random + false information does not help O.P. Let us know where she ends up O.P. + good luck.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The general consensus seems to be that the OP applicant has a decent chance of getting into HYP but, because there are so many other applicants with more or less the same credentials, as well as other strong applicants with different credentials/qualities/backgrounds, there is a greater chance that the OP applicant will not get into HYP.

That may be depressing, but there's also a silver lining. Four years from now, most highly selective employers, professional schools and graduate programs will look far beyond HYP. If you look at Harvard Law, to take one example, you'll see that the majority of applicants from HYP are rejected. HYP are more heavily represented at Harvard Law than other colleges, but the majority of the Harvard Law class comes from colleges other than HYP. The same phenomenon occurs with just about every highly selective post-college opportunity, from management consulting to grad school to medical school. So if you're really smart and don't get into HYP when you're a high school senior, don't worry that much, since nothing will hold you back. Whether you end up at a less selective Ivy, a state university, or a less selective liberal arts college, you'll still have plenty of chances to succeed. And the people who got into HYP over you may not end up any better off than they would have if you had been able to switch places with them.

Harvard knows Harvard ain’t all that. That’s why Harvard doesn’t choose its own grads. It used to mean something but its “holistic” admissions has watered down it’s brand.

Curious - are there graduate programs and/or professional schools that accept 100% of the applicants from the associated undergraduate school?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:of course without mentioning any specifics it should go without saying that the race, ethnicity are not mentioned but with those stats members of certain groups would have a better chance than others. Don't get angry with me - that's just the way it is.

yes, rich white athletes, legacies and donors all would have a substantially better chance of getting in with those stats. thank you for raising the point.

well, OP's DD didn't play any sports (at least OP doesn't mention it), so her kid is not a "rich white athlete," so that factor isn't in play here one way or the other. OTH, legacy or donor could be, but unlikely. Race, however, everyone has one.

Would OP’s daughter get in if she were URM?

I think her chances would be much better than if she insnt.

[Anonymous]

In the mid-80s when I was in HS it was normal practice to apply to three schools - safety, match and reach.

Now its normal to apply to 9 and in some places that's considered a conservative number.

What about those kids in the press who have got into ALL the Ivy League colleges plus everywhere else on their 20 application list.

It skews the numbers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:of course without mentioning any specifics it should go without saying that the race, ethnicity are not mentioned but with those stats members of certain groups would have a better chance than others. Don't get angry with me - that's just the way it is.

yes, rich white athletes, legacies and donors all would have a substantially better chance of getting in with those stats. thank you for raising the point.

well, OP's DD didn't play any sports (at least OP doesn't mention it), so her kid is not a "rich white athlete," so that factor isn't in play here one way or the other. OTH, legacy or donor could be, but unlikely. Race, however, everyone has one.

Would OP’s daughter get in if she were URM?

Why not ask - would OP's daughter get in if she were a legacy? or a double legacy? or her parents donated a ton of money? or she was a recruited athlete?