Chances at HYP

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Anonymous wrote:My DD is a senior at a big 3 and is interested in HYP. 35 ACT, 3.9 unweighted most rigorous classes. No hook, but has played an instrument since first grade (no awards). We're full pay and she's thinking women's/gender studies . Chances? We are making her come up with some safeties but she has her heart set on HYP.

should have played a sport.

I don't think the sport makes a big difference unless you're good enough to get recruited.

But with a decent resume like the OP's DD, playing a sport at a high level would help.

Not everyone can play sports at a high level. It's not a question of snapping your fingers and boom, you're an athlete.

I know recruiting for sports at the Ivies is controversial but even I acknowledge we're talking about kids who likely have put in far more hours and dedication to their sports than most of the bright Ivy qualified applicants did to their non sport hook areas.

maybe these athletes should spend less time on their sports and more time on their academics, then. because right now, they've got the lowest academic ratings.

Huh. Athletes generally get high gpas in college.

[Anonymous]

I know, the prior poster acts like time spent on sport is interchangeable with other pursuits.

The students chooses to do that, for their own reasons.

Such families' perception of its value is not universally shared.

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Are the counseling offices at the "Big 3" that bad that you need to come here to determine your admission chances? The Big three send lots of kids to HYP, why not see what their stats/ECs were?

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Anonymous wrote:Lottery baby. There are thousands of her across the country. They fill l the sports recruits and then the URM spots and then the VIP spots and then the mega donor spots and then the more influential legacy spots and then the spots from every state in the country spots and then the full pay international slots and finally they have the bulk of their applicants — the large metro competitive spots like DC to fill the remaining spots.

Tell her she’s very deserving of the spot as it is practically everyone else who applies. So don’t feel bad if you don’t get in and just feel lucky if you do

Correctz

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Anonymous wrote:I know, the prior poster acts like time spent on sport is interchangeable with other pursuits.

The students chooses to do that, for their own reasons.

Such families' perception of its value is not universally shared.

I mean, it's too late for OP's kid to pick up a sport anyway, or a new EC.

OP are you there? What other schools is s/he applying to?

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Her chances are very low. ED schools are better options.

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But to help OP or anyone in this situation, is there something DD can do to make her stand out?

Should DD apply EA to one of these schools? Put all her eggs in one basket and show extreme interest in said school? Would that help?

Or would it help if DD knew who else was applying from her class to the same schools? (e.g., is there a legacy applying to H? not Y?)

I mean, could it come down to who's applying from her class? And maybe choosing the less-popular school (which I realize is difficult w/r/t HYP).

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Anonymous wrote:My DD is a senior at a big 3 and is interested in HYP. 35 ACT, 3.9 unweighted most rigorous classes. No hook, but has played an instrument since first grade (no awards). We're full pay and she's thinking women's/gender studies . Chances? We are making her come up with some safeties but she has her heart set on HYP.

should have played a sport.

I don't think the sport makes a big difference unless you're good enough to get recruited.

But with a decent resume like the OP's DD, playing a sport at a high level would help.

Not everyone can play sports at a high level. It's not a question of snapping your fingers and boom, you're an athlete.

I know recruiting for sports at the Ivies is controversial but even I acknowledge we're talking about kids who likely have put in far more hours and dedication to their sports than most of the bright Ivy qualified applicants did to their non sport hook areas.

maybe these athletes should spend less time on their sports and more time on their academics, then. because right now, they've got the lowest academic ratings.

Huh. Athletes generally get high gpas in college.

1. They don’t
2. We are talking about admissions. They are the least academically qualified group of admitted students.

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Anonymous wrote:My DD is a senior at a big 3 and is interested in HYP. 35 ACT, 3.9 unweighted most rigorous classes. No hook, but has played an instrument since first grade (no awards). We're full pay and she's thinking women's/gender studies . Chances? We are making her come up with some safeties but she has her heart set on HYP.

should have played a sport.

I don't think the sport makes a big difference unless you're good enough to get recruited.

But with a decent resume like the OP's DD, playing a sport at a high level would help.

Not everyone can play sports at a high level. It's not a question of snapping your fingers and boom, you're an athlete.

I know recruiting for sports at the Ivies is controversial but even I acknowledge we're talking about kids who likely have put in far more hours and dedication to their sports than most of the bright Ivy qualified applicants did to their non sport hook areas.

maybe these athletes should spend less time on their sports and more time on their academics, then. because right now, they've got the lowest academic ratings.

Huh. Athletes generally get high gpas in college.

1. They don’t
2. We are talking about admissions. They are the least academically qualified group of admitted students.

Yes they do. They usually have the highest GPAs on campus as a group.

[Anonymous]

You'd think you HYP guys would be smart enough to smell an obvious trollpost.

[Anonymous]

How many legacies apply to those schools from the Big3? Princeton definitely throws spots to legacies.

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To be perfectly honest, even when I was applying to colleges (late 90s), your DD would be a crapshoot applicant. I'm not from the DC area, but I went to the top-rated private in my state. Top 5 students with a broader set of ECs, awards, and leadership roles than your DD's did not get into any Ivies (incl. my brother). Of course, some kids with your DD's stats did get in...it's just a crapshoot.

I strongly suggest you convince your DD to apply to a safety. When I was in HS, it was a given that everyone at least applied to our flagship public. It seems odd to me that people would be less strategic today, when it's much harder to get in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To be perfectly honest, even when I was applying to colleges (late 90s), your DD would be a crapshoot applicant. I'm not from the DC area, but I went to the top-rated private in my state. Top 5 students with a broader set of ECs, awards, and leadership roles than your DD's did not get into any Ivies (incl. my brother). Of course, some kids with your DD's stats did get in...it's just a crapshoot.

I strongly suggest you convince your DD to apply to a safety. When I was in HS, it was a given that everyone at least applied to our flagship public. It seems odd to me that people would be less strategic today, when it's much harder to get in.

I agree. I'd also apply to many other schools that are right below HYP in terms of selectivity and really research those schools and what would fit her preferences and interests the best.

If I were a betting person, my guess is your daughter will end up at one of those, and if she chooses well, love it. Perhaps even more than she would have loved HYP, which are three VERY different schools.

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They'll be kids with identical stats from the same schools. Legacy isn't much of a hook, but it's more than nothing with identical scores

[Anonymous]

Challenge of the moment is all the 2020 grads who took a gap year and are reapplying with renewed focus and experience.